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Wikileaks Releases Video Depicting US Military Slaying Of Dozen Iraqis Including Two Reuters Employees
After much speculation that it was nothing but a red herring, Wikileaks, which has recently gotten some substantial press coverage on both sides, has finally released a classified video leaked by "a number of military whistleblowers" which depicts "the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff." The Reuters employees in question are Saeed Chmagh and Namir Noor-Eldeen. Full video is below, linked from Wikileaks' YouTube site. Full video attached - warning: video is very graphic.
As WikiLeaks further elaborates:
Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded.
The military did not reveal how the Reuters staff were killed, and stated that they did not know how the children were injured.
After demands by Reuters, the incident was investigated and the U.S. military concluded that the actions of the soldiers were in accordance with the law of armed conflict and its own "Rules of Engagement".
Consequently, WikiLeaks has released the classified Rules of Engagement for 2006, 2007 and 2008, revealing these rules before, during, and after the killings.
WikiLeaks has released both the original 38 minutes video and a shorter version with an initial analysis. Subtitles have been added to both versions from the radio transmissions.
WikiLeaks obtained this video as well as supporting documents from a number of military whistleblowers. WikiLeaks goes to great lengths to verify the authenticity of the information it receives. We have analyzed the information about this incident from a variety of source material. We have spoken to witnesses and journalists directly involved in the incident.
WikiLeaks wants to ensure that all the leaked information it receives gets the attention it deserves. In this particular case, some of the people killed were journalists that were simply doing their jobs: putting their lives at risk in order to report on war. Iraq is a very dangerous place for journalists: from 2003- 2009, 139 journalists were killed while doing their work.
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The former head of the UN’s chief nuclear agency, Mohammed ElBaradei, said in an interview with the British newspaper Guardian Wednesday that those who launched the war in Iraq were responsible for killing a million innocent people and could be held accountable under international law. He was clearly referring to US President George Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair, and their top military and security aides.
http://wsws.org/articles/2010/apr2010/bara-a03.shtml
And he's an idiot and a liar. Millions haven't died.
That also ignores the fact most of the deaths were by the hand of AQ - it's what caused the Iraqis to "awaken" in Anbar.
Sure. And I suppose it's Al-Qaeda that's using depleted uranium as well.
http://countercurrents.org/bowles210310.htm
We should ask ourselves why we are in Iraq and Afghanistan. The reasons today have nothing to do with what was sold to the American public.
9/11 was a false flag operation for the primary purpose of generating public support for the invasion and occupation of Iraq.
www.ae911truth.org
www.911speakout.org
I believe that this footage is from the pilot's camera, not the gunner's. To my eye, the black tele-photo cameras slung over each of the photographers' right shoulders, rather then around their necks, do indeed look like weapons. If it wasn't for the text and arrows overlayed on the video, I would not have guessed that they were cameras. At 3:45 of the video the two men in the short-sleeved shirts (one solid white, one wide horizontal stripes) standing by the light pole and not labeled as a journalists are definitely carrying long guns, probably AKs as the gunner says he can identify while looking through his sight (not shown). These are the men the gunner is talking about while the pilot's camera (shown) is trained on the journalist walking in front.
The Apache is talking with ground troops in the immediate area, for which it is responsible for protecting. God forbid, if I was in the same situation I probably would have asked for permission to engage, too.
If I was driving through a combat zone with my children in the car, and saw that bloody hell on the road in front of me, I truly don't know if I would stop to help, as these poor souls did, or drive on.
Let's get out of the Middle East. When gas is $10/gal, if not more, I can always ride my horse to work.
Peace, bitches!
Which raises a question i had. WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU RIDING AROUND A HOTZONE WITH CHILDREN IN THE CAR?
Obviously it took them a minute to get there with the van. So it wasnt like they were suprised and caught in the middle of it. If you want to be a hero and try and save someone, DROP THE FUCKING KIDS OFF BEFORE YOU DO IT.
Because that 'hot zone' is their fucking home! Out of Iraq! Now!
we have no business being in iraq or iran. NONE.
they are trillion dollar scams and boondoggles conducted on behalf of amerika's well connected... nothing more.
The only thing to be "won" in either place are contracting dollars and dead bodies.
What a decadent fucking country we live in. Truly.
those large, light, sweet crude oil fields aren't business?
yeah, the business of empire...not of honorable men
Maybe they put the little kids in the front seat of the van where they can be seen out the front and side so their enemy that follows ROE doesn't kill all of the adults (combatants?) sitting in back of the van?
Nice thought, but somehow I doubt that would have dissuaded CrazyHorse. Kids score more points in video games.
Your rhetoric is consistently weak. You may want to try Yahoo: http://dir.yahoo.com/Government/Politics/News_and_Media/Blogs/
With so many good comments being shot point blank as junk because they are simply "the other side", I don't see how anyone can fault the soldiers for following rules.
Watching once again, the start of the video is cut off, but it seems to me from the audio that the Apache has either been called in by ground troops who have spotted this group carrying weapons out in the open, or at a minimum the weapons are visually confirmed by the two in the other Apache. Both Apaches, two pilots and two gunners each with video enhanced optics, do confirm that weapons are visible more than once. They do not shoot the wounded man without a weapon until the van comes and tries to evade, or evacuate.
At 4:10 it looks like one of the photographers, Saheed, can bee seen standing 5 ft behind and to the right of the man aiming his RPG around the corner and down the street, presumably toward the approaching U.S. soldiers.
They posted the 40 minute unedited version as well.
"They do not shoot the wounded man without a weapon until the van comes and tries to evade, or evacuate."
Since when is evacuating wounded an aggressive act that should be met by deadly force?
You tell me. I have not said here that it was, or is, an aggressive act that should be met by deadly force.
I hope this is not more rhetorical twisting and augmenting of other's factual statement into a fictitously-contentious opinion; an argument that is then easy to attack. I have come to expect better from you, Rusty. This would be on par with, "Since when did you stop fucking dogs?"
Rather, I hope you are asking an intellectual question such as why an occupying force would choose to make the unauthorized removal of wounded combatants from the field of battle part of the ROE, and grounds for use of deadly force. More importnatly, is this a justifiable decision? I don't know the answesr, but I can try to guess. Maybe the wounded combatant is now considered a prisoner and the van is essentially trying to free him? Maybe it would be too dangerous to have "Good Samaritans" in unmarked "ambulances" evacuating wounded from the battle field as they would be difficult to distinguish from reinforcements?
I don't know. Any military academy graduates here with knowledge?
Well there are three big possibilities:
1) They bring the kids along so that if they get shot up, they can say they were out for a picnic and were innocent, even if they weren't. This is horrible, but it does happen, depending on the fanaticism of the parents involved.
2) They bring the kids along to try and prevent from getting shot by using them as a sort of human shield, as already posted.
3) They bring the kids along BECAUSE IT'S THEIR HOME AND THEY ARE LIVING THEIR DAILY LIVES.
Really, all three of these do happen in mideast war zones. Which one was it here, I don't know, but you're ignorant if you discount either #1 or #3.
well we know it's not #3 b/c the natives know not to mess with victims of the strike till the troops arrive. AQ want's to get it's wounded so they can't be interrogated...
So why did they pick up the wounded reporter? If it was "AQ" in the van, surly they knew who their comrades were and who were the reporters. We're not talking about massive amounts of AQ in the area so it's not a stretch to think they know each other. It looked like someone drove in trying to help since they went for the nearest wounded.
Judge, you drank the kool-aide long ago.
He's cia agent. Responsible for molding public opinion to one that doesn't make him a giant asshole.
+100
http://www.debunk911myths.org/topics/Main_Page
http://www.911myths.com/index.html
http://www.debunking911.com/
I'm pretty sure those sites are setup by "truthers" to hurt the credibility of their opponents. This page especially (and I only looked at a few). They try and explain away a single part of a steel beam reaching 1000 degress celcius by saying, in a test that tried to make really hot controlled office fires, the fires were able to reach peak temperatures of 1300 degress celcius (temp of the fire, not the steel). Do you know how long you would have to apply 1300 degree heat to a steel beam to get that region of the steel beam to reach that temperature? I'm assuming you don't. Otherwise you didn't bother to read the nonsense you're linking to.
What about this? They're defending the progressive collapse theory which the gov't/NIST won't even do. Here is a quote from NIST's report:
If you're going to argue that the government told the truth, you can't support that argument with a theory that contradicts the govenment's. I'd be willing to bet that this is a "truther"'s attempt at satire because not only does it hurt their opponents credibility but the site creator has conveniently chosen to remain anonymous.
"I'm pretty sure those sites are setup by "truthers" to hurt the credibility of their opponents."
Why are sure? Because reality is for you what you want to believe?
"They try and explain away a single part of a steel beam reaching 1000 degress celcius by saying, in a test that tried to make really hot controlled office fires, the fires were able to reach peak temperatures of 1300 degress celcius (temp of the fire, not the steel)."
They only show there, that Jones selectively quoted the FEMA-report at his convenience to suggest that temperatures must have been higher than the ones that could be achieved by a fire to get oxidation and sulfidation of steel. According to their sources, these effects are already possible above 550 deg. Celsius.
"Do you know how long you would have to apply 1300 degree heat to a steel beam to get that region of the steel beam to reach that temperature? I'm assuming you don't. Otherwise you didn't bother to read the nonsense you're linking to."
Since I don't know, but you do, tell me, please. Don't just make suggestions in the form of a rhetorical question. And provide a proper reference for your claims.
Anyway, according to the NIST-Report 1-5 "Reconstruction of the Fires in the World Trade Center Towers", the fire burned long enough and became hot enough so that the temperatures of the steel exceeded 600 deg. Celsius at various places both in WTC 1 and WTC 2. The steel could reach these temperatures in about 10 min, where the insulation was damaged due to the impact of the airplanes.
http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/NCSTAR1-5index.htm
"What about this? They're defending the progressive collapse theory which the gov't/NIST won't even do."
Actually, there they debunk assertions that there haven't been any other pancake-like collapses of buildings. Nowhere they say is happened in this way, but not differently. You just jumped to a conclusion that doesn't necessarily follows.
"Here is a quote from NIST's report:"
Please could you provide a link to the quote? I couldn't find it. NIST investigated the cause of the collapse, but not what happened after the collapse started. After the collapse started, the WTC-tower pancaked. There is nothing in the NIST-reports that says the towers didn't. What else is supposed to have happened? The towers didn't just evaporate.
thanks, i needed a good laugh
If you had any idea about how poorly trained, staffed, and managed the National Clandestine Service (CIA Directorate of Operations) is you would shit your pants in fear and laugh at the patent absurdity of your assertions.
I worked with the CIA as a Navy SEAL in Iraq during the timeframe that incident occurred, so I can speak with authority not only to the CIA's ineptitude at this "false flag" operation of which you speak, but also to the tactical situation that unfolded on that video.
Insurgents in Iraq regularly use children to dig holes in the roads for IEDs and as spotters of our troops during armed engagements. Baghdad in July 2007 was a very, very dangerous place and based on the video itself and not the unhelpful commentary, I would say that some Americans owe their lives to those Apache crews. Journalists that embed with terrorists know that they are accepting the risk of being targeted whilst their subjects engage US forces. Simple as that.
Al Qaida in Iraq used a very disturbing recruiting method for its suicide bombers. They would kidnap an Iraqi teenager of 14-17 and gang rape him. Then they would ask him whether he wanted to strap on an S Vest for allah, or go home to his family a homosexual and be "honor killed". I personally captured 3 of these boys, and so I mention this as a first person witness to their evil and madness.
So basically, STFU douchebag.
Yeh, having your family blown to pieces isn't enough of an incentive. Now they have to gang rape children to encourage them to blow themselves up?? The 70 virgins isn't doing the trick anymore? Are they going to "honor kill" themselves for the gang rape?
This sounds like bullshit propaganda to me. If it isn't what a wonderful environment America has created.
Admittedly, these tactics evolved in an environment when AQ had lost control of the population in al Anbar Province (where this happened in July 2007) as their usual M&I (that's Murder and Intimidation) tactics were no longer effective. By then, the Tribes in Anbar had chosen the US and we had just spent all of 2006 establishing Combat Outposts inside the most dangerous areas of Ramadi, Habbaniya, and Fallujah. It was all they had left at the end which was to use the admittedly ghastly "cultural norms" against vulnerable members of the population.
These were very cooperative interrogations and we had essentially saved these boys from becoming murderers themselves or victims of a twisted cultural view of homosexuality. AQ also wired up and command detonated a retarded girl in Baghdad while I was over there.
Unless you have been downrange and have witnessed the savagery of our enemies, you are frankly in no position to cast aspersions on those of us who were there doing the fighting. Those Apache crews had no doubt overflown far too many blown up HMMVs and dead Americans on that deployment and were eager to see to it that they could prevent more of that on that day.
Fuck those "journalists" anyway. They were war correspondents right? Who the fuck do you think they were hanging out with RPGs and AKs? The local city council. I don't think so. Dudes like that acted as intel sources for the terrorists there using their press creds to not only report on US troop movements, but to stage battles for their own photo portfolios.
Wake up bitch.
Froggy - thank you. Glad you made it back.
enemies or business competition?? what makes an enemy these days anyway?
all i am saying why the fuck wait till they bother picking up guns?? like you fucking have a heart to let them live defenseless in a pile of rubble.. ok great.. what a warped sense of rationalization.
Just kill em all and be done with it but that would be too fast and spend not enough tax dollars toward the 'safety' of americans.. gotta milk that shit out forever
+100
Sounds like a great place. A real hothouse for "freedom and democracy." Sure worth wasting the lives of the U.S. military on huh? Oh yeah, I forgot. If we don't do it there, Saddam Hussein would bring it here he was so loaded up with WMDs and all. And of course there's 9/11. We had to stop Hussein before another 9/11 happened. He being so tied up with Al Queda before we attacked Iraq and all. Jeeeesh.
You should return to active duty Froggy. They need more like you over there.
Froggy,
Thanks for posting a good reference point for evaluation. And also for your service.
ANNIHILATE THEM ALL.
you are the idiot
Since there is no existing group that calls itself Al Qaeda, your statement doesn't hold water. The CIA admitted years ago that it made up the name, Al Qaeda, which means "the base." It was another name for the headquarters of the Mujahadeen when they fought the Soviets during the 80s. Now how can a set of buildings be marching around and attacking people?
So the Islamists who set up Al Qaeda in Mesopotamia and Al Qaeda in the Arabian Penninsula just decided to adopt a CIA buzzword?
al qaeda did'nt adopt it . it was given by the cia and the media.
so that people would think that it really exists.
No, that's incorrect. I have no idea whether the original point about AQ is true. But with regard to AQIM and AQAP, it was the jihadists that coined the names.
how do you like them apples.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1291
+100
oh.. the worms in the those apples are the terrorists!!
Thats right! Al-C.I.A.DUH!!!
+1E6
This is a counterfeit war fabricated by a counterfeit branch of the government (CIA).
Don't think for a second they even tried to stop this tape from seeing the light of day. This is open corruption with a purpose.
And besides it is a great propaganda tape to recruit bogeymen for decades to come. Endless martyrs for endless wars.
Who cares? Don't you need gasoline?
then why don't we just nuke Chavez with that logic??
Good idea.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=1291
Millions have died.
MILLIONS HAVE DIED!
This is not junk.
Nevermind the 500K-ish killed via sanctions. "It was worth it."
Is that the Albreicht quote, or a Cheney quote? I do not want to give Cheney credit for a quote he didn't say, even though it would be easy to do so.
PS Madame Albreitch hangs NAZI spoils in her house. This is not a joke.
Source
War. Huh! What is it good for? Absolutely, nothing! Say it again
AQ isn't even in Iraq, and if there are any terroists in Iraq besides the U.S. they came after we invaded. What a tragedy.
Does guilt extend to out new "anti-war" president?
If GWB/Cheney/Rummy/Wolfow are criminals (and I agree there is a strong case here), then what of BO/etc.?
BO has had every chance to demobilize and withdraw, but he has broken all of those campaign promises and instead ESCALATED in Afghanistan and is merely sticking to the 'forever occupation' plan in Iraq.
Just a reminder of who BO really is (rhetoric v. action)... BO is GWB in community activist's clothing.
Yes it does. It applies to anyone who continues to crush the bones of the people, like so many Terminator opening sequences.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik
Forgive me, but where's the conspiracy? It was in the midst of a war. Assuming all of those guys were innocent (and one has to question if the two Reuters reporters weren't embedded with insurgents to "get their point of view."), war is ugly and mistakes can be made. I'm confused about the complaint of an "uprovoked" attack. In the middle of a war zone with people walking around with guns that are not clearly friendlies, you don't need to be fired upon to take out what the military are assuming to be insurgents.
Stick to the economic discussions/posts... your arguments/points are much stronger there.
Murdering reporters and civilians is not just part of war. Check your moral compass, it's broken.
It's not murder when they are firing at you - including RPG's - as the pilots had seen/had reports.
They did the best they could with the information they had available to them. How do you make decisions with info you don't have pray tell....
If you were in my backyard flying a helicopter, shooting at my children, I'd try to shoot you with an RPG too.
How about this... we LEAVE Iraq, and then there will be nobody shooting at us? Sound good?
Then we can take the money and spend it on something productive.
How about just stationing the troops on the borders and scanning all cargo? How about the troops spending money into the local border economies? Nah. Too rational. Carry on!
So effin proud to be an American after watching this video.....oh hes got an AK-47, yup the other bastards got one too, oh this ones got an RPG...gotta waste them all.
I guess they cant differentiate a machine gun and a camera.
Your arrogant and callous refusal to accept responsibility for the killing of innocent human beings trying to defend their home is duly noted.
I am Chumbawamba.
War is Hell. Unless you've been there and done that you have no clue. You don't know the context in which this attack occurred. What was the operation? Had our troops just been attacked. Were these guys probable insurgents?
I agree with HH. I would have shot them up too based on what I saw on the video.
Too bad about the kids and the reporters. But that's the way to goes.
And for you folks that are shocked and angered by what you see ... just WTF do you think happens in war? People get killed --- on both sides. It's wild. It's crazy.
Soldiers are not clairvoyant. There are no crystal balls. You see what you see. You make the best judgment call you can based on the imperfect info you've got. You act and react. That's it.
If you are angered by what you see on this video get out in the streets and protest the war. Whining on this board will accomplish nothing.
You would have shot children? I am amazed that anyone would post such a statement.
Based on that video I'd say they were watching the adults and didn't even notice the children.
Oh, look, an apologist for murder and terrorism, American style.
Too bad? I'll tell you what's too bad: it's too bad you weren't in the van with those kids.
Protest? PROTEST? Mother fucker, 25 million people worldwide came out to protest before the war started. Fuck you and your protest.
If I ever get out to "protest" it won't be with words, I guarantee you that.
I am Chumbawamba.
Those Effers in the helicopters are no different than those greaseball bankers who used our money to play with, promptly loses it all and begs for our assistance and then repeats the raping once they are back on their feet.
Both have no heart and any sense of accountability.
The bankers are backing the war on both sides. You can bet on it.
By design, most people in our country think war is a video game. Vietnam ended because of honest press coverage and the people's response. Of course no draft helps the current cause. No skin in the game,eh?
That is why the truth about war must be hidden from the people at all costs. All blood must be sanitized and every act of barbarism euphemized away. "War" must always be presented as an abstraction. Only pictures of waving flags, rolling M1A1 Abrams tanks, and saluting soldiers are to be presented to the people as to what "War" is.
This video is what "War" really is.
Fear, uncertainty, blood-lust, destruction, and death.
Honest press coverage from Cronkite? Please.
Where was the coverage of the 3,000,000 vietnamese dead that Cronkite had turned over to the NV? No mention. A very clever way to effectively brainwash the lefties into believing they were moral. Just don't mention the consequences. Don't mention Pol Pot the lefty uber liberation hero. Don't let the facts get in the way of the story.
+1 Pegasus. If you are carrying a weapon in a warzone, you are asking for it, it you are a reporter hanging with the enemy, you are putting yourself in a position to be shot. War is hell, I feel bad for the innocents, but that is the way it is.
I like the codes too. A guy trying to load a wounded man into a van and help him is "removing bodies". There was one gun in that entire video and it looked like an M4ish style weapon. I mean you are in an armored helicopter with a gun the size of a motorcycle and I'm sure some of that 100 dollar a gallon gas which is 400 a gallon in afghanistan and you feel threatened by a guy with a 20 round clipped .223 who never even points the weapon toward the aircraft.
Mikey. My instincts about you were dead on. You're totally full of shit and not who you say you are.
profile.">Hephasteus, it appeared the gunships were serving as CAS (Close Air Support) to soldiers on the ground. Their job is to protect those soldiers. They stated they saw and RPG and an RPG CAN shoot down a helicopter. Moreover, you do NOT see the other gunship camera. Where is that one? We are seeing only a part of the whole picture...I stand by my statement. Moreover, you have no idea who I am and couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of me. You obviously have never served your country...no matter where it is nor been in a warzone.
profile.">Hephasteus, it appeared the gunships were serving as CAS (Close Air Support) to soldiers on the ground. Their job is to protect those soldiers. They stated they saw and RPG and an RPG CAN shoot down a helicopter. Moreover, you do NOT see the other gunship camera. Where is that one? We are seeing only a part of the whole picture...I stand by my statement. Moreover, you have no idea who I am and couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of me. You obviously have never served your country...no matter where it is nor been in a warzone.
profile.">Hephasteus, it appeared the gunships were serving as CAS (Close Air Support) to soldiers on the ground. Their job is to protect those soldiers. They stated they saw and RPG and an RPG CAN shoot down a helicopter. Moreover, you do NOT see the other gunship camera. Where is that one? We are seeing only a part of the whole picture...I stand by my statement. Moreover, you have no idea who I am and couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of me. You obviously have never served your country...no matter where it is nor been in a warzone.
profile.">Hephasteus, it appeared the gunships were serving as CAS (Close Air Support) to soldiers on the ground. Their job is to protect those soldiers. They stated they saw and RPG and an RPG CAN shoot down a helicopter. Moreover, you do NOT see the other gunship camera. Where is that one? We are seeing only a part of the whole picture...I stand by my statement. Moreover, you have no idea who I am and couldn't give a flying fuck what you think of me. You obviously have never served your country...no matter where it is nor been in a warzone.
no forign soldier serving in iraq is serving his country. He is serving an international imperialist elite. he takes a paycheck. he is a mercenary cloaked in propaganda patriotism. Most countries attacked by the USA are a threat to no one.
May you be reincarnated as an pashtun in kandahar
My youngest stepson chose not to re-up based, in part, on what he experienced over there. Now that he is coming face-to-face with the deplorable prospects for decent paying civilian employment back here, he is considering re-upping. And it's difficult to witness all of this and ascribe it to 1000 coincidences achieving harmonic convergence.
Starving is more honorable than murder. I hope he doesn't re-up. Tell him to go to the library and explore there. I wish i could offer him a job.
I'm also sick of the phrase "serve your country." Many politicians and people in other forms of Federal Service use it. Yet, public servants have become richer than most of their constituents. In my mind, this is not service. As the founders said, a position of power must not be a position of profit because it will attract the exact wrong types of people. I do not pretend or infer that there are not good people in the military by saying the the following. However, most people in the military are paid very well. This isn't some volunteer military defending our country from the invading British - we are in another country defending ourselves against people who MIGHT attack us. The people in the military are paid, 30 or 40% more than the private sector, with money taken (through taxes, coercion or inflation) to serve the government, not necessarily the people or the country. Additionally, most get huge benefits and scholarships. It is ironic that in the event of people of a country need to be suppressed, they will be funding their suppressors.
Ya. I want to join the military and be a part of something that's bigger than me and serve something greater than me. But a drug gang would work just as well. I mean. I'm glad you think you are protecting anyone, it's a nice delusion while you got it. When a crack whore dies tonight you can know that she died to get you more equipment to kill more people who want to hurt you but really have no beef with me. The thing is you have to have support. What you do takes massive amounts of psycho's with engineering degrees and factory workers and all that crap. So of course you're going to lie out your ass about what's going on and why it's going on and what it's all about and do everything in your power to manipulate opinion. Because that's the power of authority. That's the deep meaningful responsibility that always comes from authority. You're response is to lie, that's your super power that's all it is and you'll never give it up. You'll never change because there is no mechanics of catharsis of change. You're not in much danger, you kill without much retribution so you never have to feel any emotions about it and will never reach a cathartic release of your delusions. I'm sure the people in this video were probably thinking... Oh man look photogrophers who are trying to mount a resistance to us being here doing whatever the hell we want to do. I'll get an under the table bonus for this.
But see here's the rub. We got the change coming.
http://www.calleman.com/content/articles/nov8_sixth_night.htm
When that breeze of unity conciousness hits. What's it going to be like when people all over america and europe and everywhere have access to all the concious energy of people in the east that you have been doing this to. What's going to happen when suddenly achmed's hatred of you is pumped into crazy rednecks in tennesee and well as you know I'm from oklahoma. We seem normal and seem ok and everyone thinks we ride around in wagons and stuff. But what we are is a bunch of criminals. This place is full of criminals who escaped from the law into indian territory and then had sex with indians and married them. My great great grandfather came here after stabbing a guy to death for cheating at cards and didn't really appreciate any fucking copper telling him that was the wrong thing to do.
Me now. I'm not a threat. I've been poisoned and am half dead because they already knew I'm a real protector not a murdering for gain scum. And yes I've been in war but we used to do it with warhammers and axes even a few technology trinkets from a long long long time ago. You're not my army, you're not my cops, you're not my politicians, and your not my banks. You're making a world that you want to live in and trying to force me to go along with it. I guess the plan is that once the breeze hits everyone will be too scared to act. But you know what. Just keep an eye out and you'll suddenly see all these weak minded sheeple that haven't woken up just hating the chinese government hating the army all the things that have been cut off from the connections. The people in charge know this isn't going to work even with mind control haarp. It's just going to be too powerful. But they are the ones hurting people and what little crap has been leaked so far as a test to reactions has not come back favorably. I'm a sensitive so I get to chow down on what's coming a few months or weeks ahead of schedule, hell I even get to know what the weather is going to be in advance. And they've tried EVERYTHING to make me sympathetic so the sympathetic magicians can use their thing for a favorable judgement. You're going to get cut off by millions of hearts that are as hard as fucking diamonds and you're going to feel a type of paranoid and we're fucked that hasn't ever been felt in human history. And just like the emotionless guy that pulled a gun on the pentagon, that's going to be an every day thing from what I'm feeling. You can feel how paranoid and scared the cops are. They have to drive out to the rest home and tazer up some grandmas just to build enough confidence to face anyone who isn't so utterly crippled as to be no threat at all. They can still break through and channel the necessay bullshit juice so it's no problem now. They probably need it for a bit of confessing distortion here and there. But I just don't think it's going to be possible to keep that door open peoples minds are just getting too good at caulking up the crap. The cognitive dissonance and spread between the illusion created by the lies and the reality that everyone is seeing and experiencing will collapse the illusion. It'll be like losing an armor and energy shield. One day you'll have it and the next day it will be gone like a massive perceptual shift. It'll just be mindless. Everything will burn to the ground. It will look like a billion russians destroying their own homes just as a fuck you. The men and women who sit at the holes that are the entry points into this world will suddenly be losing their sales brochure. The "by entering into this realm there is a possibility that you could be permanently damaged" will turn into just jump in the hole we want to hurt you before you hurt us. The google boys as I call them. The librarians at the akashic records or "book of life" if that's how you know it. Who've been carefully keeping false records of everything like a bunch of turd enron accountants will be staring at billons of ghosts who want to burn the library to the ground because it doesn't mean jack fucking shit. It's useless. It's as full of crap as everything on this planet. Nobody is going to trust anybody who puts out an "everyone trusts me" ego expression. Nobody will suck up the I need you sooo bad energy and confuse it for their own needs. They'll just sing back in a marilyn mansion voice. I don't want ya. I don't need ya. Don't bother to resist or i'll beatya.
Wish I could join the indians. Fascinating read.
MIKEY
I see your point, but when the heli flys around and has the whole group in sight, no one in the group points anything at the heli and they just stand there in the open. Suspicious, NO. As for the reporters , would you travel around Iraq unarmed? I think not. Firing on a van that took no agressive action only removing bodies. A little trigger happy. Cover for ground troops that couldn't even find the area? Yea right. I could maybe excuse this if it happened in the heat of battle but it seemed like an unrushed scenario. If this happened to my kids, I would become an enemy of the U.S..
So if you kill an innocent person on your own, it's murder but if Bush or Obama gives orders to murder someone, you're fighting the enemy? I'm not a religious person but I wonder if "Obama told me to" excuses murder in any religion. I'm not too learned on the bible. Can Bush forgive sins?
You're also aware that an "insurgent" or "militant" is just another way of saying "people that shoot at criminals invading their property".
I'm sure you would have no problem shooting at Americans as long as your sheep herder referred to them as "militants" or "insurgents" or "domestic terrorists".
"These pilots did their job and have no reason to give a shit"
But what was so OBSCENE to me was that the gunners were so obviously ENJOYING IT.
"Come on... pick up a weapon" as he circles in the air, far out of range, waiting for the wounded reporter to pick up a weapon that would actually be a camera with a telephoto lens. If shooting a wounded person who is no threat to you on the hunch that they have a weapon isn't a war crime, it should be.
And that's just one example of the eagerness the gunners showed in this video to use their 30mm real-world "video game" weapons.
I will be the first to admit that I have never been in combat. However, you forget that despite the pithy little moniker of "the war on terror" congress has not declared "war" on any other nation. What we have instead is undeclared perpetual war on behalf of corporations.
If we are going to kill children under the auspices of war, than I think the least congress could do is actually declare war...but of course if congress did declare war, then most of the rat finks would be prosecuted for treason.
Stay safe.
A true warrior looks his enemy in the eyes. This is techno-chickenshit warfare, and will be our undoing.
Ya. I want to grow up to be a predator pussy. Fly a plane from arizona to afghanistan and kill innocent familes and then go home and eat dinner with my family and play with my little kid. Then staple my scrotum into a vagina and let my wife fuck me with her vibrator. At least I'm in a branch of the military where that is not full of cheating wives and husbands. LOL
Not really. I would feel lke such a sick twisted, piece of shit, giant pile of pussy juice, if I were able to even operate at that kind of level. But that post sounds masagonistic. Girls are much stronger indivdiuals than these people.
well said
Riiight. Just like these islamic terrorists that hide behind children/churches/women and in plain clothes. These men looked like they were up to something, peeking around corners...
Oh, you live in Iraq? Because surely there were no Islamic terrorists hiding behind a church or a woman down the street from you. So what the fuck do you care?
They "looked like they were up to something?" Can you please write me a letter of defense for my upcoming trials when I go around my city blowing away various individuals because "they looked like they were up to something?" I think that defense will fly in court, providing you have excellent penmanship.
Translated into human, this is what you're actually saying:
"Fuck those dirty sand niggers."
Like the rest of the ass-clowns here, all you are doing is defending the murder, rape and torture of brown people. Thanks.
I am Chumbawamba.
+1 to the 10th power
Oh come on chumby. Everybody has to have goals. After you successfully make it to homocidal maniac the only thing you have to look forward to is genocidal manic. Quit trying to put limits of growth on our military.
So effin proud to be an American after watching this video.....oh hes got an AK-47, yup the other bastards got one too, oh this ones got an RPG...gotta waste them all.
I guess they cant differentiate a machine gun and a camera.
WE'RE STEALING OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL MOTHERFUCKERS.
- light 'em up!! BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM ........ BLAM BLAM.....
HAHAHHAAAA...that Humvee just ran over a body hehehe.
WTF.
Ya the I just ran over a body joke never fails to get a laugh.
I'll agree with your first sentence. But you're pretty naive if you think our troubles with Islamists end once we leave Iraq.
if the uk/usa left iraq/afghanistan and collectively made amends politically/financially to the rest of the world and lived by a descent code of conduct/ethics. noone would have any reason to attack us.
in fact the world would support us.
Uh huh. The Koran calls for them to kill us if we don't convert. Is conversion part of the decent code of conduct?
quote please. Page paragraph sentence.
Haddith 9:4 for one. Yes, I know that's not technically the Koran. Please explain why that should make any difference.
Hilarious.
quote please
Yeah, and the Christian Bible calls for a lot of shit that normal, rational human beings wouldn't carry out either, or do you actually sacrifice your children to prove your faith and loyalty to God?
Aren't you just projecting? Didn't the US, in fact, go out of its way to rape and pillage a nation halfway around the world? To convert them to our way of life? I remember your hero George the Lesser telling us something to the effect of "We're going to bring democracy to them Godless A-rabs!"
So who are the extremists here? Who are the terrorists? If I steal your resources and kill your family members, and you come after me for a much deserved retribution, who is the terrorist? Who cast the first stone?
Aside from fractional reserve banking, the biggest fraud ever perpetrated against the People is this flawed and ridiculous idea of "American Exceptionalism". Well, actually, we are exceptional: exceptional liars, thiefs, and murderers, par excellence. We commit our crimes with impunity.
I am Chumbawamba.
Damn Chumbawamba, you are on fire today. Great comments, all of them.
You are a faggot.
Good thing for Chums it's legal here in the good ole US of fucking A.
the koran says no such thing.
Chummie will convert to about anything. For certain there.
Guess you missed the 10,000's of Iraqi's cheering us as we entered Baghdad... or maybe you missed their 90%+ voting rates.
Or maybe you missed the hundreds of pics of their children/families hiding BEHIND our troops when gunfire erupted.
Oh we could leave and have more $$ now - just make things worse for our kids - which you obviously don't care about or haven't thought about.
"Guess you missed the 10,000's of Iraqi's cheering us as we entered Baghdad..."
Who later turned into 10,000's of Iraqis building IEDs when they figured out why we were really there.
"or maybe you missed their 90%+ voting rates."
Until they eventually realize that what they want matters no more in THEIR "representative democracy" FARCE than it does in OURS. Once they finally realize that, their voting rates will approach ours.
"Then we can take the money and spend it on something productive."
Like health care for parasites?
Easy. If they don't have weapons and they didn't fire on you, you don't kill them. You don't kill kids and you don't shoot ambulances.
They made a decision based on incomplete information, and the decision was to shoot everyone. Let them be responsible for that decision.
The whole situation stinks to high heavens, shooting an Ambulance for God's sake, WTF.
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War? They name themselves CrazyHorse...why don't you read "Black Elk" if you want to know what a war looks like. Flying high and privilaged above CAMERAMEN and CHILDREN is not war! It is cowardly.
"Makeshift" ambulance.
Shooting the wounded, and you call this an act of war?
indeed, I fail to understand the logic behind dragging "kids" into a location where bullets are flying. Something stinks...on both sides.
HOW DARE THEY TAKE THEIR CHILDREN FROM THEIR HOME TO THEIR SCHOOL!?
Damn terrorists, trying to live a normal life amidst a war that they have no say in, persecuted by a foreign power on their own people.
Is that you John Wayne? Is this me?
That's just a lie. First of all, there was NO intel or knowledge there were kids present. Secondly, AQ repeatedly tried to pick up it's injured so they couldn't be questioned and they could get them back in combat or use the bodies for IED's. The population knew not to touch the bodies till troops arrived.
The arrogance and presumptions of some you, for men who risk everything to protect you, is contemptable.
You know nothing of what you speak, but you continue to spew forth the venom.
These losers in the gun-ship risk, essentially, nothing. You have a better chance of driving home tonight and getting hit by a drunk driver than they do of being harmed in Iraq while pulling down fat-assm tax-free comrade's pay while eating good and living large also for free. They are punks, bullies and cowards.
How exactly are they protecting me 10K miles away? Oh, you mean protecting my "right" to cheap oil paid for with blood? Protecting me against an idea...when chances of getting killed by lightning are greater than being killed in a terror event?
I do not need, require, nor do I ask for any anybody's protection. Standing armies are unconstitutional. Our military needs protection from us, and our wind-bag politicians!!!!
It's all a fscking witch hunt! Burn em!
I'd get kicked off this blog if I told you what I really think is contemptible you nazi POS - who the hell are you, the judge, jury and fucking executioner?
Those guys executed the wounded. THAT is contemptible. And then they laughed about it like it was a fucking video game, and THAT is contemptible, and then they laughed when they ran over the corpses, and that is fucking DESPICABLE.
And we wonder why so many people in the rest of the world despise us... end of Empire motherfucker... either we act like the civilized people we hypocritically pretend to be, or we try to invade the rest of the fucking world.
Motherfuck motherfuck motherfuck...
And just so you know, I was an Army officer during the fucking Vietnam War, and if anyone in my command would have pulled that shit they would have been up on charges so fucking fast...
+1
In Vietnam, American soldiers used the threat of force against their fellow soldiers to defend women, children and old people in My Lai.
You're right, the article's right - those 4 guys and probably some others were the heroes that day. I salute them for their courage and their patriotism. I praise them for their humanity. And I mourn for the victims, then and now.
"American soldiers" i.e. Colin Powell. He got his stripes right in there. Check it.
What charges, specifically?
General articles for one...
ALL CONDUCT OF A NATURE TO BRING DISCREDIT UPON THE ARMED FORCES -
Disfiguring the dead - by intentionally running over corpses, executing defenseless wounded... or even Article 923 - Maiming - could possibly be justified.
934. ART. 134. GENERAL ARTICLE Though not specifically mentioned in this chapter, all disorders and neglects to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces, ALL CONDUCT OF A NATURE TO BRING DISCREDIT UPON THE ARMED FORCES, and crimes and offenses not capital, of which persons subject to this chapter may be guilty, shall be taken cognizance of by a general, special or summary court-martial, according to the nature and degree of the offense, and shall be punished at the discretion of that court.
And by the way, I'm not even sure the guy peaking around the corner of the building was sighting an RPG.. he could have been sighting a telephoto lens... that group of men, a few of whom were armed, yes, did not act hostile at any time, not even when they had to be aware of the Apache circling right overhead... did they seek cover? No. Did they brandish weapons? No. And when the Apache made its leisurely circle around to the other end of the row of buildings, which those guys on the ground clearly would have seen and anticipated, they were standing in a close packed group when the Apache opened up... NOBODY does that if they expect a firefight... they grab the deepest hole or biggest wall as shelter and get ready for some rock and roll. And why did the supposed RPG shooter not turn 90 degrees to re-sight his weapon on the Apache when it re-entered his line of vision? He would have had a clear shot. THose guys were standing there like they were sharing a match, not getting ready for a battle.
The whole fucking thing stinks to high heaven.
...intentionally running over corpses... (Trying to drive into a CZ while looking through dust-covered armored glass and watching out for bad guys and IEDs would be considered difficult enough that your Court Marshal for rolling over a body covered in dust and debree would likely be thrown out. Don't you agree?)
It appears to me that killing unarmed wounded if they are trying to leave the field of battle was part of the ROE, as heard in the permission to fire asked for, and given. Once again, your Court Marshal of the crew would fail. You have to realize that, considering what you must have went through on your tour, right?
And by the way, I'm not even sure the guy peaking around the corner of the building was sighting an RPG. he could have been sighting a telephoto lens (agreed, but the four Americans who were there were sure, and confirmed the RPG more than once, and these jounalists were supposed to be experienced and would know that eye-balling a column from behing a corner with a big black tube (camera) can get you killed)... that group of men, a few of whom were armed, yes, did not act hostile at any time, not even when they had to be aware of the Apache circling right overhead (not true--these birds aren't nearly as noisy as the Cobras from Vietnam, and they sneek up on me, and my animals, all of the time when they are training. The M230 and optics allows them to be a mile away)... did they seek cover? No. Did they brandish weapons? (YES) No. And when the Apache made its leisurely circle around to the other end of the row of buildings, which those guys on the ground clearly would have seen and anticipated, they were standing in a close packed group (taking cover behind the corner and the RPG shooter) when the Apache opened up... NOBODY does that if they expect a firefight... they grab the deepest hole or biggest wall as shelter and get ready for some rock and roll (Agreed) . And why did the supposed RPG shooter not turn 90 degrees to re-sight his weapon on the Apache when it re-entered his line of vision? (Maybe they had not noticed these two Apaches, of the dozens likely in the area at the time, because they were focused on video taping themselves putting an RPG down that street and into a US column?) He would have had a clear shot. THose guys were standing there like they were sharing a match, not getting ready for a battle.
Sir, what rank did you hold, and was your's a combat unit? If so, and you were on point in that column walking into an RPG ambush, would you not want air support taking it out before you and the soldiers under your command got there?
According to AP even the military investigation conceded the "RPG" was a telephoto lens:
"A military investigation later concluded that what was thought to be an RPG was really a long-range photography lens; likewise, the camera looked like an AK-47."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_iraq_shooting
god bless you man. +1000000.
there is no defence for those men.
I square your praise: +1000000000000
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those guys are not protecting me. Some unemployed slob took a job with the army to go to another country to attack its people. Thats right - some dumb fuck from some small town felt so threatened by iraqis he had to join up to go there and defend us.
I do not need protecting.
In fact I wish you guys would get back over here. In case you don't notice our nation is turning into a second world nation. Maybe if we had more of you here than over there we could get something real done. Some up by our boot straps stuff. Some real American hero shit.
Instead we got kids giggling about running over corpses and begging a crawling dieing man to pick up a weapon to slack his blood lust, or sense of duty, or honor, or what ever the fuck it is. With what we have spent on this endeavor we could have bought every fucking solar panel, ethnaol plant, organic seed store, what ever and just gotten over the fucking oil.
We don't need this. We have never needed this. This shouldn't be who we are.
This blood is on my hands now, and I can't get it off. For what?
You nailed it. The blood is on ALL of our hands now.
+1
You think the U.S. troops are in Iraq to protect us? That is ancient bullshit.
Judge, you think the U.S. troops are in Iraq to protect us? That is ancient bullshit.
Are you talking about the copter crew Judge or the two draft dodgers who started this war?
then just nuke it and take the fucking oil and give us all a monthly check.... that would at least stink of patriotism.. but our PTB go further to milk out the blood ever slowly and tax dollars even slower and longer for this shit...WITH JUST DEBT ON OUR HANDS to show for it
Invest 17 minutes and watch the goddamned video, tuff guy.
Those assholes want to drive around with kids in their van for cover, too bad. It wasn't possible to tell there were kids in the van, and it was possible to see the adults picking up their wounded terrorist buddies and weapons. Screw them--they all deserved what they got. "Journalists" who embed themselves with the enemy take their chances. These two lost.
If it had been up to me, Baghdad, Damascus, Cairo, Tehran, Mecca, Medina, and Jakarta would have been made glass the day after 9/11.
I thank God that it is not up to you.
Who do you think you are to decide the fate of millions of innocent people who've never done the least bit of harm to you?
On 60 Minutes Secretary of State Madeleine Albright says it is worth killing 500,000 Iraqi children.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v36_zbIQebM