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Wikileaks Releases Video Depicting US Military Slaying Of Dozen Iraqis Including Two Reuters Employees
After much speculation that it was nothing but a red herring, Wikileaks, which has recently gotten some substantial press coverage on both sides, has finally released a classified video leaked by "a number of military whistleblowers" which depicts "the indiscriminate slaying of over a dozen people in the Iraqi suburb of New Baghdad -- including two Reuters news staff." The Reuters employees in question are Saeed Chmagh and Namir Noor-Eldeen. Full video is below, linked from Wikileaks' YouTube site. Full video attached - warning: video is very graphic.
As WikiLeaks further elaborates:
Reuters has been trying to obtain the video through the Freedom of Information Act, without success since the time of the attack. The video, shot from an Apache helicopter gun-site, clearly shows the unprovoked slaying of a wounded Reuters employee and his rescuers. Two young children involved in the rescue were also seriously wounded.
The military did not reveal how the Reuters staff were killed, and stated that they did not know how the children were injured.
After demands by Reuters, the incident was investigated and the U.S. military concluded that the actions of the soldiers were in accordance with the law of armed conflict and its own "Rules of Engagement".
Consequently, WikiLeaks has released the classified Rules of Engagement for 2006, 2007 and 2008, revealing these rules before, during, and after the killings.
WikiLeaks has released both the original 38 minutes video and a shorter version with an initial analysis. Subtitles have been added to both versions from the radio transmissions.
WikiLeaks obtained this video as well as supporting documents from a number of military whistleblowers. WikiLeaks goes to great lengths to verify the authenticity of the information it receives. We have analyzed the information about this incident from a variety of source material. We have spoken to witnesses and journalists directly involved in the incident.
WikiLeaks wants to ensure that all the leaked information it receives gets the attention it deserves. In this particular case, some of the people killed were journalists that were simply doing their jobs: putting their lives at risk in order to report on war. Iraq is a very dangerous place for journalists: from 2003- 2009, 139 journalists were killed while doing their work.
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You think $86 oil is cheap?
Compared to $1100 gold, yes.
Yes I do.
I thought the Americans were supposed to be the good guys?
those days are long over
For those of you wringing your hands over the tragedy of this, wring them some more. In this theater of warfare, this IS the face of warfare. You assume the victims are innocent. Are you absolutely sure of this? When your adversary hides in hospitals and schools, using their own people as shields, then you have affirmation that their value of life means nothing. And if you spend too much time pondering the issue, you will likely die yourself.
It is, what it is. Awfully bad, at times, isn't it?
You are not supposed to shoot at the wounded!!!! Those people carrying the wounded man into the van were not a threat to anyone!
The wounded or anyone else should be captured. Our folks were on the way and arrived within minutes. Valuable intelligence was lost when the whole street got shot up.
I am not commenting on the morality of this sickening video, but just the business of battle. That was bad business and does NOTHING to promote victory.
However, it does facilitate the "endless war" that the Fascism of Mussolini requires. America is very good at that...
Maybe you should have been in the van with the kids.
This goes for everyone else here expressing similar sentiments.
You people are shameless, soulless, and a blight on humanity.
Fie.
I am Chumbawamba.
our adversary? WTF we are over there, behind a lie. wake up, america is in the wrong, in iraq, and afghanistan. we have been taken over, by organized crime.
WHY... This vid provides NO indication as to WHY permission to engage was granted. Soooo.... naturally it is assumed that the US military engages anyone that shows up on any street in Iraq, that's not the case. The rest of the story is why did they engage and why did someone leak this vid?
They leaded the video beacause the military lied and covered up. They said they didn't know how the children died. They didn't take responsibility for their actions. The leaker is a hero.
Why would the same people that are "fighting for our freedom" say something like "why did somebody leak this vid?"
Okay, so they're keeping us free, by barring journalists from showing pictures from the war or even pictures of coffins coming home with soldiers in them?
Damn, it's a good thing they're spending 2 trillion bucks to keep me free, because I would have thought it to be unconstitutional censorship otherwise.
Looks like the so-called reporters might have been in collusion with these guys. Yeah, hate that don't you? Looks like RPG's, AK's etc..... maybe we should stick with finance and economics instead here at ZeroHedge.
Without the finance you can't wage war!
Just waiting for one of your buddies to say, "This only diminishes the reputation of ZH. It used to be so much better."
Fred.....fred, fred, fed........fed, welcome to WWIII; along with these "wars", there is a currentsea war. Did you know that? Did you know? Do you know that it all ties together? The doelarr/oil/gold/guns/bombs? Did you know FED? Didja?
NO!
ZH is doing the public a service, since no other "news" organization is even covering this.
CNN? No. MSNBC? No. Fox News? Don't make me laugh until I cry, then puke.
I am Chumbawamba.
If you don't like the 'non finance' news, don't click on it.
Really? Bullshit. The pilots weren't fired on. If they were REALLY fired on, the poor bastards wouldn't have been standing around. The one guy taking cover was the smart guy, given what was about to come. AQ? Really? Take that tired shit elsewhere, rube. There was no AQ in Iraq prior to our toppling Hussein, there's really precious little now. They're in Yemen and that's next up on the menu.
I'm not gonna go back and watch the propaganda film but they were either fired upon or had reports of AK fire and RPG fire from the group.
Don't be stupid, AQ WAS in Iraq before we invaded and SH was the largest supporter of terrorism in the world, including running an "arab' terrorist training site at Salmon Pak.
Before you try to act all pompous and smart, at least have a clue as to what you are talking about.
Dude, IRAN is and has for a long time been the largest supporter of terrorism in the world. What are YOU talking about. And no, there was no AQ in Iraq because AQ was against secular people like Hussein and hence they were suppressed. Try turning the channel or, better yet, reading something other than RedState. You might learn something though, judging by your diseased mind, I wonder.
You're an idiot as well. Stop believing everything the American government tells you through our cowardly press corps.
I am Chumbawamba.
Well they aren't cowardly chumba which is what this video is about. They are being slaughtered. So it's kind of not cool to put pressure on the press for not telling us what we need to know when they are obviously being targeted so that they CAN'T.
wake up buddy. the largest supporter of terrorism in the world is the US taxpayer.
You're an idiot and you obviously did not actually watch the video. More likely you were masturbating over some pron in another tab while you sort of listened to the audio. Because if you'd actually watched the video, listened to the audio and read the subtitles, you would realize that you make yourself out to be a complete and utter tool with your remarks.
I am Chumbawamba.
Judge
Is that you RUMSFIELD?
"they had been fired upon by individuals there and even an RPG had been fired"
Please provide the time point in the video when the large amount of dust that would have been kicked up from a skyward pointed RPG is seen? I must have missed it.
you are deluded
I know that others don't necessarily agree with my statements, so I'll make a brief one....
When the FUCK are we going to get out of this war already?
It took us less than four years to beat Nazi Germany and imperial Japan.
Now we've been chasing some guys on camels with boxcutters for almost ten years now... (seven in Iraq)
Think of all the things we could have built if the money wasn't going to murder innocent people.
And some dumb hillbilly will reply:
Freedom isn't free. We have to kill "them" because "they" hate our freedom.
To those dumb hillbillies I ask:
WHAT exactly constitutes victory in the Middle East? Free elections? We have those.
How can you lump a REGION of people into one category and call them all "THEM."
I think that anybody who supports the war should have to go fight in it.
Now junk my post, drool "gold bitchez" out the side of your mouth, and don't even consider that innocent people are being murdered in your name today...
Don't be stupid. We're not fighting a nation but a religion or sect of one. It's not a conventional "queen of marksbury' rules fight. It may actually last decades - till they call it quits for another century then come back ($1 to Thomas Jefferson).
Guess you missed 9/11 and Salmon Pak, and Hussein's repeated support of the terrorists involved in 9/11....
Which part of shooting at their kids do you think will encourage them to call it quits?
Godamnn, dude, you're one of those real life weirdos who gets their news from Fox and thinks it's real. THERE WAS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN S.H. AND THE 9/11s. IF YOU WANT SOMEONE TO BLAME/KILL, GET THE SAUDIS!
You could at least check the facts. First of all SH tried to assassinate a US President - that is an act of war. He continually fired on US troops/planes - another act of war. He harbored an assassin of US ambassadors and supported him. Particularly with 9/11 - what do do know for sure is this:
After running an al Qaeda training camp in Afghanistan, Abu Musab al Zarqawi received medical care in Baghdad once the Taliban fell. He opened an Ansar al-Islam camp in northern Iraq and reportedly arranged the October 2002 assassination of U.S. diplomat Lawrence Foley in Jordan. Zarqawi is at large. Abu Abbas masterminded the 1985 hijacking of the ocean liner Achille Lauro during which American retiree Leon Klinghoffer was murdered. U.S. troops captured Abbas inBaghdad last April 14.
Iraqi Ramzi Yousef, architect of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, arrived in America on an Iraqi passport before fleeing after the attack on Pakistani papers.Abu Nidal’s terrorist gang killed 407 people, including 10 Americans, and wounded 788 more. He lived in Baghdad between 1999 and his mysterious shooting death in August 2002.
Since 2000, Abbas September 11 hijackers Nawaz al-Hamzi (left) and Khalid al-Midhar (right) were on American Airlines Flight 77 when it slammed into the Pentagon and killed 216 people. The two terrorists reportedly met Iraqi VIP airport greeter Ahmad Hikmat Shakir in Kuala Lampur, Malaysia, on January 5, 2000, whereupon he escorted them to a 9-11 planning summit with other al Qaeda members. Khala Khadar al-Salahat, a top deputy to Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal, reportedly furnished Libyan agents the bomb that demolished Pan Am Flight 103 in December 1988. That attack killed all 259 on board and 11 on the ground in Lockerbie, Scotland. Baghdad resident al Salahat surrendered to U.S. Marines last April. Delaware exchange student John Buonocore, age 20, was among those killed when the Abu Nidal Organization (ANO) used guns and grenades to attack a TWA ticket counter at Rome’s Leonardo Da Vinci airport in December 1986. The ANO maintained offices in Baghdad until U.S. troops liberated the Iraqi capital. American Abigail Litle, the 14- year-old daughter of a Baptist minister, was killed by a Palestinian homicide bomber while riding a bus in Haifa, Israel, on March 5, 2003. Saddam Hussein paid bonuses of up to $25,000 to the families of terrorists who killed at least 223 people, including 11 other Americans. 49 resided in Baghdad, still under Saddam Hussein’s protection.x • Khala Khadr al Salahat, a member of the ANO, surrendered to the First Marine Division in Baghdad on April 18. As the Sunday Times of London reported on August 25, 2002, a Palestinian source said that al Salahat and Nidal had furnished Libyan agents the Semtex bomb that destroyed Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, on December 21, 1988, killing 259 on board and 11 on the ground. The 189 Americans murdered on the sabotaged Boeing 747 included 35 Syracuse University students who had spent the fall semester in Scotland and were heading home for the holidays.xi • Before fatally shooting himself in the head with four bullets on August 16, 2002, as straight-faced Baathist officials claimed, Palestinian terrorist Abu Nidal (born Sabri al Banna) had lived in Iraq since at least 1999. As the Associated Press’s Sameer N. Yacoub reported on August 21, 2002, the Beirut office of the ANO said that he entered Iraq “with the full knowledge and preparations of the Iraqi authorities.”xii Nidal’s attacks in 20 countries killed 407 people and wounded 788 more, the U.S. State Department calculates. Among other atrocities, an ANO-planted bomb exploded on a TWA airliner as it flew from Israel to Greece on September 8, 1974. The jet was destroyed over the Ionian Sea, killing all 88 people on board.xiii • Coalition troops have shut down at least three terrorist training camps in Iraq, including a base approximately 15 miles southeast of Baghdad, called Salman Pak.xiv Before the war, numerous Iraqi defectors had said that the camp featured a passenger jet on which terrorists sharpened their air piracy skills.xv “There have been several confirmed sightings of Islamic fundamentalists from Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Gulf states being trained in terror tactics at the Iraqi intelligence camp at Salman Pak,” said Khidir Hamza, Iraq’s former nuclearweapons chief, in sworn testimony before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee on July 31, 2002. “The training involved assassination, explosions, and hijacking.”xvi “This camp is specialized in exporting terrorism to the whole world,” former Iraqi army captain Sabah Khodada told PBS’s Frontline TV program in an October 14, 2001 interview.xvii Khodada, who worked at Salman Pak, said, “Training includes hijacking and kidnapping of airplanes, trains, public buses, and planting explosives in cities . . . how to prepare for suicidal operations.” Khodada added, “We saw people getting trained to hijack airplanes. . . . They are even trained how to use utensils for food, like forks and knives provided in the plane.” A map of the camp that Khodada drew from memory for Frontline closely matches satellite photos of Salman Pak, further bolstering his credibility.xviii These facts clearly disprove the above-quoted statements by Senator Kennedy and the Los Angeles Times and similar claims made by others. The Bush administration could advance American interests by busing a few dozen foreign correspondents and their camera crews from the bar of Baghdad’s Palestine Hotel to Salman Pak for a guided tour. Network news footage of that might open a few eyes.
taken from this site - there's a ton more:
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/sadterdam.htm
Okay, there's your Fox News conspiracy theory.
Here's President Bush in 2006 saying that everything you just said is a lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soohikNdbWs
Reporter: "What did Iraq have to do with the attacks on the WTC?"
Bush: "Nothing"
Bush: "We invaded Iraq because we thought that they had weapons of mass destruction... turns out they didn't, but they had the capacity to make them..."
You should watch your hero Bush say that everything you just said is a lie. Go ahead, click the video. It's about 3 minutes. It took you longer than that to type all that bullshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soohikNdbWs
Saddam Hussein had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11.
Al Qaeda and the Baathist party are COMPLETELY opposed in ideology, not to mention that the Baathists were completely secular.
Hey, don't take my word for it. Here's BUSH himself saying both that Iraq had no WMDs and that they had nothing to do with 9/11.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soohikNdbWs
Of course, nobody will watch the video, and in three days I'll be arguing with the next person that Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
Here is some dialogue straight from the video.
Reporter: "What did Iraq have to do with the attack on the WTC?"
Bush: "NOTHING!"
You could actually watch and listen to all he said, about WMD and 9/11 - at certain times we didn't know or were willing to release what we knew - but we know they had WMD and were aiding terrorists involved in 9/11 - and we gave them a year to clean up and move them out/bury them (the wmd). I've already posted on SH's links to 9/11 terrorists - and as far as the WMD - We've found supplies, missles capable of carrying them and bleached labs - to cover up their research. Also, how in the hell do you explain Syria all of a sudden having WMD - they used them on a tribe in Africa a year after we invaded.
Oh, and don't forget about the 500 TONS of yellowcake/uranium shipped out of Iraq to Canada. Not that the facts matter to you...
"Oh, and don't forget about the 500 TONS of yellowcake/uranium shipped out of Iraq to Canada. Not that the facts matter to you..."
Oh
My
Fucking
God.
A world class troll. 500 tons? ROFLAMAO.
SINCE YOU"RE TOO DAMN STUPID TO GOOGLE:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/07/07/iraq.uranium/
1. Prove Syria has WMD's. You can't, and won't be able to.
2. Why would Iraq ship yellow cake uranium from Niger to Canada? That's not even correct! Iraq was allegedly trying to buy the yellow cake, which Joe Wilson said was a lie (and it was) to which the Bush administration replied by putting Valerie Wilson, CIA agent, in danger.
I like how you totally make up shit to "prove" your case. 500 tons? LOL. You're either really stretching the truth, or incredible stupid for believing that.
Plus, Canada had nothing whatsoever to do with the yellowcake, and even if they did, they ALREADY HAVE THE NUKE IN CANADA, which further proves that you're full of shit and a liar.
See the above post.
It's only further proof you're an idiot and have no clue.
1. you didn't prove that there are any WMD's in Syria, still.
2. That article says that the UNITED STATES shipped low grade uranium from Iraq to Canada.
A) The United States, and not Iraq shipped it
B) low grade (IE, not enriched enough to make weapons) uranium was shipped.
You still haven't proved anything, except that you make loose connections to justify a 2 trillion dollar war that murders innocents.
CNN dude? are you serious? Your'e just a crazy cunt like Sarah Palin.
The idea wasn't that Hussein had anything to do with 9/11, so much as it was fear that Hussein could have WMD and pass them off to terrorists. Post-9/11, we were forced to take that possibility a lot more seriously.
True, it appears that there were no WMDs. But it was reasonable to think that there were -- as did the intelligence bureaus of every other Western nation, the Clinton administration, the liberal media institutions, etc. Add on the fact that when we arrived in Iraq in 1991, we learned that Hussein was much CLOSER to developing WMD than our intel told us, and you see why it was prudent to assume that he had them.
That was the main point of the war. We thought it was prudent to assume they had the weapons, and we couldn't tolerate the possibility that they'd make common cause with AQ or other terrorist groups. In the middle east, the doctrine of "enemy of my enemy" governs, so it's not all that pertinent that AQ and the Baathists are opposed in ideology.
He didn't have anything to do with 9/11. Check.
We attacked him because he COULD give weapons to terrorists?
AHAHAHA!!!!
Here is a brief list of all the countries that could give weapons to terrorists:
About half of the countries in the world.
Hell, the U.S. just MAY give weapons to China's enemies. I guess that they're justified to attack us because of that, aren't they?
How foolish these arguments sound to rational people.
Uhhh yeah, I killed that guy because he MIGHT have committed an armed robbery in three years.
Well, first off, the China comparison is inapposite because if the U.S. gives weapons to a state actor that is one of China's enemies, then China has an adequate remedy against that state actor. It's when you're dealing with non-state actors that things get fuzzy, and there's a need for other remedies. If we started arming a loose group of Uigurs in Mongolia that made a number of menacing statements against Beijing, then yeah -- I'd expect China to take some sort of actions against us, if they felt they could succeed in doing so.
As far as your list of countries that could give weapons to terrorists -- well, if the question is which countries COULD give weapons to terrorists, then I suppose it really should be every country in the world. So that's clearly not the standard. But if you were to form a list of countries that have weapons of mass destruction, have signficant interests in seeing the U.S. damaged, and are rogue enough to withstand the international blowback of taking part in such a scheme -- well, back in 2002, you'd basically have Iraq and the Norks.
Well, I should shoot every person I see on the street, because they COULD rob my house someday.
Maybe we should start putting people in prisons because they MIGHT commit a crime.
No, but actually you touch on a vital distinction. Individuals cannot act solely in their self-interest. We need to abide by the collective good, which is the reason for laws and morality. NO SUCH THING EXISTS WITH REGARD TO STATE ACTORS. Every country must act solely in its self interest. Liberals can't deal with that universal truth, which is why they want ideas like multilateralism to be true. But at its core, the international system is a Hobbesian state of nature and there's nothing anyone can do to change it.
"But at its core, the international system is a Hobbesian state of nature and there's nothing anyone can do to change it."
Agree on the Hobbesian state of nature, don't totally agree on the can't do anything about it thing. But we can take a small step in the right direction - since the Hobbesian thing is just as true for the US as it is for every other nation, let's get over that "we're always the good guys" image >>>> BS! <<<< that too many Americans have of their government's actions in the world and begin to think about what it would be like to walk in the other guy's shoes. Yes, I know, that would mean an end to Faux News' popularity, but so be it. Then all we'd have to do to change foreign policy would be to fix the total FARCE that our current "representative democracy" has become........ You're right, it's hopeless.
Rumsfield don't you have anything better to do. Cheney might agree with you.
The $ wouldn't of long collapsed by now if we weren't fighting this war. The American Military in the Middle East ensures that Oil is traded in $'s. Oil trading in $'s allows us to spend and borrow as much as we want. The print press directly supports the "American way of life" It's all coming to an end shortly but the war allowed us to milk almost another decade out of the Global $ Monetary system.
F'd up ain't it
Yes, it is.
the people that drool "gold bitchez" probably agree with the rest of your post.
which, and lets face it is very very rare.
however, pleasantries aside i will 'junk' you for the "gold bitches" faux pas.
but give you + 10 for the rest.
It doesn't matter who agrees with me. Just like in my comments about gold... right is right.
Gold didn't make it to 2000 by April, and it never will in the next twenty years.
If people disagree with me, it means I'm moving in the right direction. The majority is usually wrong.
No, you're wrong about gold, and you're as big an idiot as those you rightfully assail because you remain clueless about how what you watched in that video manifests with regards to the world reserve currency.
Fuck you and your strawman benchmarks. When you're giving out handjobs on the corner for a nickel so you can get something to eat, remember these words.
I am Chumbawamba.
Dude, you are a moron, but it's a free country so I defend your right to be a moron. Carry on with your 'right is right' monologue.
All of us Hillbillies are not dumb, just as all muslims are not Terrorists.
m bates you sound reasonable today, which makes it even more confusing, why you don't see the safety of gold
And, for the record, with a clear gun camera view like that, any pilot who sees an AK or an RPG anywhere in that scenario really needs to rethink his career choices, because he is in fact cross-eyed and the worst fucking pilot ever.
I'm glad we're hearing about this from 0H. When you say "stick to economic discussion", I hope you haven't forgotten that wars inhibit the free market from operating. Also, don't give me that creative destruction bullcrap, we're adults here!
Say whatever you want however, shooting at the Van full of good Samaritans sounds like: shooting at the French farmer (and family) who is helping a wounded civilian after an 88's barrage in WWII.
Rules of engagement do not include to kill the unarmed random people who tried to help someone in calamity after this sort of attack, that could be a mistake.
This is pretty morbid stuff, but who are we to judge? They been in Iraq for almost 7 years now and who knows how many situations like the ones we saw above were handled properly. Bunch of guys walking around "relaxed" resulting in deaths. We just dont know. Hindsight is always 20/20 and yes, it does make our military look a bit savage, particularly the dialog.
Still, making snap judgments like this over a video, unless we have actual Iraqi vets here is simply not called for.
We do have actual Iraq Vets here
And? Please share your insights.
It's such a fucking disappointment to see what kind of people came to this site. Worse than fucking leeches, worse than fucking banksters and government they rant against all day long. So following the logic of you who try to explain this or even justify it; killing a million+ people in the name of a non-existent threat and "freedom" is OK and the government is doing a great job, but god-forbid your house looses 1% of its value, then the same government is the devil and bringer of the apocalypse and what not. And this used to be such a wonderful non-bullshiting-straight-in-your-face site.
WORD.
I agree. It makes me sick that half of America ignores the fact that innocent people are being murdered in our name, while the other half drinks Bud from a can and cheers it on.
"Baits"
I know, right?
I completely agree.
"For our freedom". What fucking freedom? The United States has 5% of the global population and 25% of the prision population. The NSA spies on us illegally. Obama reserves the right to assassinate American citizens. Citizens for fucks sake!
Freedom. Fuck all of you who buy that shit.
Never change friend. You are a voice we need :).
Hey don't forget cheap gas for their SUV! Remember, "the American way of life is not negotiable" Beyond all the lies and murder, this war is also our own self destruction and the most ignorant and ineffective response to peak oil.
That's a pretty good summation. That's what happens when you breed generation after generation of ever-evolving narcissists.
Oh, absolutely. When a generation of material wealth obsessed kids who were raised on Quake, Doom and were filled with the bullshit about how "great" and "exceptional" 'Merica is and above all how they are, oh-so special, gets big enough to hold weapons and re-create those video game moments in real life this is what you get. and the supply of those kind of kids is practically unlimited. millions and millions are more than eager to kill those "muzzy sand nigger monkeys". and for what. because they believe that an SUV, a McMansion and 40 plasma TV's are a birth given right, a non-negotiable environment of the 'Merican lifestyle, a basic condition which defines them and separates them from the rest, from the "faggy Europeans", "sand niggers" "chi-coms" and what not. this is the reality of America, it's "culture" and identity as seen by the rest of the world.
The only thing that I want to say, besides "I agree" is:
What about the parents that raised said kids? They created that environment by spending borrowed money from future generations, all while selling America out and shipping our jobs to China.
You can blame the kids, but I think the real blame lies with the baby boomers, the most spoiled, narcissist generation on the planet,
I take great exception to your comments about today's youth. In this town which has a huge Army installation, many of the unmarried soldiers buy -huge- pickup trucks, not SUVs, with their combat pay and reenlistment bonuses! After all, there's not much to spend your money on during a year in Iraq or Afghanistan and when you come back, there's no better purchase than buying something which uses in great quantity the product that was the very -reason- for you being sent to Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place.
But, somehow, I don't think they realize that...
Bravo!
Please don't be a stranger Cheeky.
Is that you Al Gore?
Spot on Cheeky.
Spot on. Divide and conquer - tis why we will not see a revolution against the evil bastards. The sheeple want to be lied to. And they want to be raped by the devil they know than deal with the alternative.
Suckers.
even with the crap, it still is a great site cheeky
I felt like puking.
That's because you're human.
I commend you on the fact that you "felt", as did I. After watching this, I'm going to have to double my charitable workload. Got to plant those good seeds......
me too. just waiting for the right moment. like meeting a 4 star general.
it was also unclear, did some members of the group fire at the choppers? If so, then it would appear that the group was engaged correctly, no?
The choppers did not get fired at.....simply an example of murder which our government apparently found acceptable, though for some reason not so acceptable that did they didn't lie out of their asses about what happened.....
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Instructive, is it not, that people viewing the same footage can reach diametrically opposed conclusions. For some on this board, their willingness to believe The Big Lie is all powerful. What Authority tells them must be true, for Authority is infallible. Unless authority jacks with their home valuations by a percent or two, to paraphrase Cheeky. Then it's war.
Did they look like people that were shouldering weapons, taking cover and firing on targets? no. They looked like anyone, anywhere else walking on the street. Strolling even.
I have been hearing disturbing talk from veterans of Iraq that these incidents are not that uncommon. Some have stated that it is better than a video game. Unsubstantiated, however.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, nor did they have WMD's.
Watch the Bush press conference.
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, nor did they have WMD's.
Watch the Bush press conference.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soohikNdbWs
Saddam Hussain did not comply with UN resolution 1441. That was the reason for war.
The 4 week war it took to take down the Baathist regime killed less civilians then the attacks on 9/11. The rest of the deaths where muslim on muslim, Sunni vs Shite.
That was reason to go fishing. Or for Bush to have a nice sport-fuck with Laura. Or for the rest of us to shrug. Or, or, or.
Iraq was nothing. Nothing. Look what we've become.
We did not comply with the UN resolutions passed before the war that said the US should not go to war.
It's funny how the Republicans shit on the UN constantly, until it supports their argument.
Since we broke their resolution barring us from invading Iraq, should we be invaded?
Also, Hans Blix, chief UN weapons inspector was in Iraq in 2002, and found nothing. It's a fact.
Off-Topic
@ Master: I've seen many of your posts in the last month or so and obviously you're passionate about current events. My main problem with you is, however, that you won't get off your Republican bashing campaign and you won't stop complaining about 9/11.
Everyone here already knows that all of both Republican and Democrat leaders for the past few decades have been equally shitty. We're also keenly aware that 9/11 was not a possie of box-cutting Arabs working alone, and that all wars for the past 20 years haven't been for just causes.
I'm not implying that you stfu, but seriously you need to lose the partisan chip on your shoulder. It makes you look like a typical mouth-breathing follower rather than a critical thinking individual. Not to mention it's adding substantial clutter to the various threads you visit.
First, I understand what you are saying.
Still, I disagree. I feel that the partisanship is completely warranted here because it is obvious that one party has been supporting the war, waging the war, making excuses for the war, etc.
Also, I dislike the Republicans because I was 18 when they took power, and they've done nothing but mess up our country since, through wars, bad monetary policies, etc, etc.
Clinton was a good president, and Reagan was the first president I was alive during. So essentially you have thirty years of bad policies during my lifetime, all attributed more or less to one party.
I don't like the Obama agenda, or the direction that he is taking this country. Still, I feel it necessary to put the blame where it belongs.
Stick around a few more years/election cycles. The truth should reveal itself. Wisdom takes time.
Thanks for the transparency and reasonable response to criticism. It's nice to hear. If people here to get to the root of why they feel the way they do, instead of mudslinging, name calling and straw man arguments, it would be a much more interesting discussion.
clinton, was a self serving, piece of shit, plus as leader of the free world, what the fuck, was he doing, getting a blowjob, from that fat ugly cunt, lewinsky? even sarkozy, does better than that. he humiliated america, so what if he can play sax, he was an assclown
Yep. This is bipartisan fascism to the T. Blaming one over the other just aids and abets the charade.
R vs D is the manifestation of a successful divide and conquer strategy by the elite.
Could you please post the link a few more times? I missed the first 943 postings.
Yes, and based on your comments, you missed this information the 943 times it was on every news outlet EXCEPT Fox News.
And I bet you STILL will say Iraq was behind 9/11 tomorrow, even with conclusive proof from the POTUS right there in your face that Iraq was not.
Nope, I do not believe that Iraq was behind 9/11.
You, on the other hand, do believe that if we withdraw from our military engagements, then rainbows will appear and doves will magically fly over the Middle East and no one will try to attack Americans ever again. And if we could just sit down with Osama bin Laden and you know, establish a dialogue, then all of our problems would quickly be solved.
I believe that the wars attacking countries that did not attack us will do nothing to prevent future attacks.
We can end the war, or continue it, and the ability for terrorists to attack us remains the same.
osama bin laden, is long dead. he was a cia operative, on dialysis, and at deaths door, 10 years ago. they killed him, for bringing the war, to their doorstep
uhhh...It seemed like those people were only guilty of walking in a group and carrying camera bags....congregate and get shot at? freedom exported: with a few minor glitches bitches.
There are many things disturbing about the video. Trigger happy flight jockies woulda be one. If you think the whole country hated us before I can assure you after that killing spree the neighborhood is throughly entrenched on the other side now. Citizens in Iraq carry guns to protect themselves........it's hard to make the differnce out but some of what I saw and heard was a pretty weak case. The biggest problem is the top brass felt they had to lie about every aspect of the incident. When they lied about the little shit I'm pretty confident they are lying about the the shit also.
It's only a matter of time before "they" start using those weapons against us. I think we all know this.
The unifying element:
Peak Oil.
Iraq was never about WMD or terror or democracy. 86 a barrel an rising. Soon, after all the "speculation" has been removed with law, the rising price will only be explainable by a lack of supply. At that moment, will there be anybody left who doubts why the world's greatest oil user is occupying one of the world's top 3 remaining supplies of oil?
In case you didn't notice, oil was much cheaper in 2001 than it is today.
We invaded Iraq to get 147 dollar a barrel oil? Nah....
My bet is on the US dollar peg to oil more than anything.
We invaded because we, meaning the people in charge, were well aware that Peak Oil was close at hand. If they waited until oil got to 147 then the hopelessly thin veil of "freedom" or "WMD" would have been too preposterous to suggest.
In any event, we've been there 8 years, no signs of leaving, and no signs of what would cause us to lead. Bush the 3rd is going to make ZERO comments about missing his August 2010 deadline to withdraw, with no comment at all from the MSM.
Easy.
All in the name of obtaining more oil supply so we can debase our currency and increase taxes on citizens at the same time.
Nazis would have had the balls to go down there and shoot 'em face to face. These fucks in Helicopters a mile away are chicken shit cowards working for ultra-evil American oil-control interests. Very sad and very scary.
Judge, you are a sick bastard.
"Iraq is a very dangerous place for journalists: from 2003- 2009, 139 journalists were killed while doing their work."
Yes, any war zone is dangerous for journalists, especially those who in a self-serving manner try to gain infamy by getting kidnapped and getting killed. Then it is up to our troops to "rescue" them. Was this engagement a mistake...? Maybe. No war is 100% accurate... civilians and friendlies are killed all of the time... it sucks... that's why it is called war... so that we appreciate peace much more. Picking out other people's mistakes in such a chaotic environment is intellectual arrogance at best and self-defeating criminality at worse. Get over it... peace is much better.
Ya looked really chaotic. I mean that stroll across the street and that bumpy terrible ride from their million dollar helicopter. I mean geez that video was intense. I had to pause it and relook at it 100 times because there was just so much chaos and fog of war going on. How can we appreciate peace. We've never had it for any reasonable lenght of time in the last century.
Yeah, it looked really chaotic to me, too. Looked like a one-sided turkey shoot from a thousand yards away using stabilized 30mm cannon on running civilians, one of whom looked like he had an RPG (which I never saw him fire as claimed). That "fog of war" was the massive amount dust raised by those high explosive rounds after everyone was already dead.
We could use a few of those trigger happy gunship jockeys on patrol above every central city in America. All the homies are carrying so wiping them out would be righteous
3000 American (9/11) lives costs to Irak 1,000,000 lives.
Empires are cyclical, what will happen if some day the balance of power is different, lets say.
3000 Chinese lifes are valued 10,000,000 American lives.
Shall the empires keep making "FRIENDS"?
Those cameras view A shit ton better than they record because they can enhance anything they need to on receipt. How in the world could that guy possibly mistake a big fat 35 mm camera lens for an AK47. I Have never seen anything that looks remotely like a camera except for a pistol handled 11 inch barreled AR-15 with a large aluminum guard. That could be mistaken for a camera.
And to say a 14 inch lensed camera is an rpg. He would have to be 12 and in the boyscouts to to make that kind of screw up.
Wow, why didn't they consult with YOU prior to engagement... YOU seem to have all of the answers... (btw, look carefully and you will see an AK... if you know what one looks like)
yeah but if you shot everybody in Iraq who was carrying an AK47 theyre wouldn't be anybody left.
That's what we tried to do.
The former head of the UN’s chief nuclear agency, Mohammed ElBaradei, said in an interview with the British newspaper Guardian Wednesday that those who launched the war in Iraq were responsible for killing a million innocent people and could be held accountable under international law.
Johns Hopkins got the additional_deaths statistics, using enormous stratified sample canvassing. Results approximated Russia after WW II.
What we did in Iraq was evil. Stupid and evil.
Ya there was one the guy was bouncing it around on the sling. But those 2 guys with weapons weren't in the group that they finally focused on. If they had attacked the 2 guys with guns and no one else it would have been a search and destroy. They kiiled journalists. Plane and simple.
"How in the world could that guy possibly mistake a big fat 35 mm camera lens for an AK47?"
Because he wanted to.
Have to nail that kill quota somehow.
I hold your opinion on the criminality of this attack, but I did see one guy with what was probably an RPG which he rested on his foot early on in the video. IIRC, he was in the upper right quadrant of the video. I did not see him fire it, however, which is something that would have raised a lot of dust from a skyward-pointed RPG's backblast.
The line was not from Apocalypse Now but from Full Metal Jacket.
Joker: How can you kill women and children?
Gunner: Easy. You just dont lead them as much. Aint war hell?
Get some! GET SOME!!!
Our “professional” military has failed to prevail in ALL THREE major conflicts the US has been involved in since the glories of WW 2. As a reminder these conflicts were Korea, Vietnam, and now Iraq and Afghanistan.
DIVIDE = CONQUER
BUSH = OBAMA = CLINTON = REAGAN
Once you realize that both parties are the same, life makes more sense.
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Agreed.
They create parties to divide our attention to political games when in the end its all about keeping us busy while they steal from us.
They are milking us like cows - our milk is our labour in the form of dollars.
I had a Russian friend tell me that he sees no difference between the US today and what he experienced growing up in the old Soviet Union. The only difference he sees is the that our leader in the US are better liars and we usually get two candidates picked for us rather than one.
We do have the best liars that money can buy!
Some eastern block reporter said to a US reporter that the main difference between the iron curtain and US media is that in the east the public absolutely know that they're being lied to. In the west, they incorrectly assume they are being told the whole truth.
I saw something very similar. Sam Donaldson was holding some meeting with the public. This fellow from Hungary told him exactly that. Pravda did not pretend to be telling the truth. It shut Donaldson up for about 30 seconds.
If the video sears your heart with agony and sorrow you will be forgiven from the Lord God. However, if you cheer such an atrocity, then in hell you shall burn.
edit:
"In hell you [do] burn."
War is big business. It is hard to stop once it gets started. Eventually people will tire of it to the point where the politicians have no choice but put a stop to it. Unitl then it will continue.
So how do we make peace a big business?
Modern US have NEVER fought a war on his own soil. (War for Animal Rights is the most hardcore war we have seen from up close.)
What America knows really about WAR?....
The real long term damage, hate, suffering and possible retaliations are unimaginable for Americans.
If the same war were to be fought here; Irakis Invading, killing americans 100:1. Would you seek vengance, what would you do?
+++ Whether you agree with their actions or not, can anyone really be surprised that these events might bring retaliation.....This only makes people more pissed off and leads more individuals to feel that "terrorist" acts (if this was an act of war, why aren't theirs?) are necessary.