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Wikileaks Reopens In Sweden
The Wikileaks ouster lasted all of a few hours. As of right now, the company has switched its DNS to Sweden, from where it continues operating. But not before Wikileaks tweeted the following response to Amazon's action: "WikiLeaks tweeted in response: "WikiLeaks servers at Amazon ousted. Free speech the land of the free – fine our $ are now spent to employ people in Europe."
A trace on the latest DNS, courtesy of Karl Denninger:
% Information related to '46.59.0.0/17AS8473'
route: 46.59.0.0/17
descr: Bahnhof Internet, Sweden
origin: AS8473
mnt-by: BAHNHOF-NCC
source: RIPE # Filtered
% Information related to '91.121.0.0/16AS16276'
route: 91.121.0.0/16
descr: OVH ISP
descr: Paris, France
origin: AS16276
mnt-by: OVH-MNT
source: RIPE # Filtered
Basically this goes to show just how futile it is to attempt blocking servers in the internet where it takes a few keystrokes to change a client. It also brings up the point of how much further the US will go in its attempt to shut up the internet and ways to bypass such seizures. An interesting analysis out of TorrentFreaks contemplates a BitTorrent based DNS which would make shutting down sites virtually impossible.
In a direct response to the domain seizures by US authorities during the last few days, a group of established enthusiasts have started working on a DNS system that can’t be touched by any governmental institution.
Ironically, considering the seizure of the Torrent-Finder meta-search engine domain, the new DNS system will be partly powered by BitTorrent.
In recent months, global anti-piracy efforts have increasingly focused on seizing domains of allegedly infringing sites. In the United States the proposed COICA bill is explicitly aimed at increasing the government’s censorship powers, but seizing a domain name is already quite easy, as illustrated by ICE and Department of Justice actions last weekend and earlier this year.
For governments it is apparently quite easy to take over the DNS entries of domains, not least because several top level domains are managed by US-based corporations such as VeriSign, who work closely together with the US Department of Commerce. According to some, this setup is a threat to the open internet.
To limit the power governments have over domain names, a group of enthusiasts has started working on a revolutionary system that can not be influenced by a government institution, or taken down by pulling the plug on a central server. Instead, it is distributed by the people, with help from a BitTorrent-based application that people install on their computer.
According to the project’s website, the goal is to “create an application that runs as a service and hooks into the hosts DNS system to catch all requests to the .p2p TLD while passing all other request cleanly through. Requests for the .p2p TLD will be redirected to a locally hosted DNS database.”
“By creating a .p2p TLD that is totally decentralized and that does not rely on ICANN or any ISP’s DNS service, and by having this application mimic force-encrypted BitTorrent traffic, there will be a way to start combating DNS level based censoring like the new US proposals as well as those systems in use in countries around the world including China and Iran amongst others.”
It is sad that the US (and soon other) government has forced enthusiasts to find increasingly shady means of avoiding suspension of free speech. We are confident that the Wiki case is by far not the last one where a website will be shut down for distributing "disagreeable" content. We are also confident that the kind of response espoused by Lieberman today will only make reprisals by the likes of Wiki that much more potent.
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Weakness! So the NSA/CIA is not all powerful....Hey, there is a hole in my blinds...is that the sun out there?
THE TRUTH IS COMING...
BE AFRAID BANKSTAS...
Go IKEA!!!!
Wow how stupid does the already Droopy Dawg Lieberman look now? Gettin all hardcore, and within minutes totaly owned.
Droopy Dawg Lieberman should just move to Israel already.
Yep he should!
Wow somebody junks that? Which zerohedger is a hardcore Lieberman fan?
the Redneck Repugnicant?
Hmm, OK:
China
Iran
USSA
And their lapdogs GOOG and AMZN
Plus the bankstaz
What a loverly day. Scuse me while I barf.
Interesting that he resurfaces in Sweden where the original sexual assault charges were filed and subsequently dropped...
The whole thing reminds me of the crew of the Serenity trying to get the truth out through Mister Universe.
"You can't stop the signal Mal. Everything goes somewhere..."
I was comfortably numb until TPTB, those bastards, cancelled the greatest show ever. Now I'm really angry. Revolution, where do I sign up? LOL " I am a leaf on the wind - watch how I soar."
I guess Fox was so dumb they didn't even know that the "Alliance" was them. Eventually they figured it out and cancelled the show, but at least we have the one glorious season and the movie.
The Daily Bell makes a decent case that Wikileaks/Assange might be an elaborate PsyOps shop:
http://www.thedailybell.com/1561/WikiLeaks-Clever-PsyOps.html
Its all a psyop, govts, markets, wars, Frankengineering, eco-global interconnected conflicts...all BS all a psyop just enjoy the show or go Joe Stack, whatever.
That's inane.
The US government is used to dealing with citizens who don't even know what the Fed is, spend most of their time watching Dancing with the Stars and sneaking in legislation buried in other legislation.
And yet they're going to create an elaborate psyop...
People give the government too much credit.
Thanks, Bucks,
For all you naivesters please note one of the shills most common tactics:
Kind of like good cop, bad cop, they argue back and forth (two or more regular commenters advocating stuff you believe). They act like they are disagreeing as they lead you down the road they want you to follow. Beware! Many posters on this site have agendas that are not what you perceive.
Please get someone with math skills to create your math captchas. It makes you look like a dumbass Tyler
Yes, I think fear of being called a dumbass is a big motivator in TD's life. I'm sure he's been plagued by that for years.
Time to burst your bubble: The Captchas are generated by algorithms -- who'd thunk it?! :>D
Hey, maybe if the secrets were copyrighted then ...eh never mind. Giving ideas to the bad guys. Besides, the Abu Ghraib hoods 'n' wires image would be a trademark or something.
I want to know if Amazon was pressured in any way by the Federal Government or Amazon's stupidity alone......
Of course they were, considering the FED is the majority shareholder.
Just a polite reminder, gentlemen. The oath of office is to defend THE CONSTITUTION of the United States of America. Not the bureaucrats, not the doggie doo colored president, the constitution. Officers are required to make that call.
No one knows what that is.
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It is the oath that all military officers take when receiving their commission.
The oath of office is to defend THE CONSTITUTION of the United States of America.
Good interview with the founder of Oath-Keepers
Some heavy stuff.
Oath-Keeper: Rise of Authoritarianism and How US Law Enforcement Can Take a Stand for Freedom
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep/oathkeeper-stewart-rhodes-interview.htmlThank you. When I first heard of Oath Keepers in the news related to the "whackos" whose kids were taken, I decided I should risk a look. The website oathkeepers.org really knocked me for a loop--what could be considered rightfully "wrong" about that oath?!
Thank God people in service are being properly exhorted from within their ranks to fully consider their true responsibilities. From your interview link (very worthy reading):
Do law enforcement officials perceive the problems that you perceive? How many? The majority? What do the FBI and the ATF think of your organization? Have you heard from them?
Wikileaks needs to turn the submission tap back on. Their worst decision was shutting that down.
Then for the financial data, just start dumping Fed style and trust the collective to separate the shit from the good.
Love Wikileaks comments about the impotent US Govt thugs attempt at shut down. 'Fine, we now employ Europeans'
assange dumps a buncha anti iran junk and israel comes out smellin like a rose.
did anyone mention that soros bankrolls these scum?
this is the manufactured problem, the solution will be to trash the net.
anyone who thinks otherwise has been duped.
Of course theyll try to trash the net, be nimble like Wikileaks and reroute it all thru Sweden then, fuk em.
what part of controlled opposition dont you understand?
if he was a real threat he'd have caught a bullet long ago.
instead he gets tons of msm coverage, turn off the boob toob and figure it out.
If one person only were a threat, that person would have caught a bullet. Old school espionage 101.
Well ... welcome to the Internet age!
Now, one person is a detonator. Touch that one person, a distributed bomb goes off. Keep that one person healthy, no bomb goes off until that person decides to set it off.
You are fighting the wrong war with the wrong tool. This is much simpler than you imagine.
It's not that easy. Assange is the face of Wikileaks, he's not the only person behind the scenes.
Why hasn't Alex Jones "caught a bullet"?
It's a two-edged sword that they are playing with. Wikileaks may be distributing seeded or incomplete information, but they are also still exposing the politicians and their operatives as the corrupt, lying, thieving, murdering bastards that they are.
Assange may be either an agent, a patsy or an activist ... who can say with 100% surety? ... but he is still doing a great service for those of us who aren't totally distracted by Dancing With The Stars and Monday Night Football. The rest of the public doesn't give a damn one way or the other.
Yes, it seems like that is true.
George mentioned this yesterday on UrbanSurvival.
WikiLeaks: A Path to Seize the 'Net
I don't usually start off a morning report with a reader note, but this one is just too important to pass by unshared:
Sure enough, with Wikileaks occupying the top half of the Drudge Report n(Which headlines Snoop, Spy, Spin at the moment) and other media, we have to wonder if this isn't indeed some kind of a setup to 'net controls' which we have often previously alluded to?
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Outside of the MainStreamMedia, questions about whether WikiLeaks has state level support are being hinted at. And it continues today with the idea that Wiki-Murders could happen in Iran.
But why would a state actor be trying to subvert the 'net? Perhaps because so much attention was brought by independent/noncorporate-owned media to the attempts to engage the US as an ally of Israel in a preemptive attack on Iran?
http://www.urbansurvival.com/week.htm
That argument is rendered nonsense by the use of "used to choke down the Internet."
First rule of the Internet is you can't choke down the Internet.
The second rule is, you still can't choke down the Internet.
And the third rule is, there are no exceptions to the first and second rules.
I'm not saying that because I'm some kind of 4chan fan boy. I'm saying that because I am a network engineer. There is about eight kinds of "WTF" when people start talking about shutting down the Internet or even stifling some part of the traffic. Anyone thinks that some sovereign can just wake up one morning and fucking shut down the Internet, you don't know the Internet at all.
How does the "Great Firewall of China" work, then?
Or is that easily penetrable?
They can block known Internet destinations via DNS poisoning, and at the border then an deny packets with certain origins and destinations. They can threaten companies, governments and groups with that club. And they have and do, all the time. From inside China you can't get any information of Tibetan freedoms, for example.
But the whole Internet ... no. If they did that to any degree they would have to use a very big hammer and hit things very hard, they would cut themselves off from the networked world. Then they'd be operating on a level with Burma; blind and irrelevant.
Won't stop Barry from appointing some clueless, ass licking, party hack, douche-tool as Internet Czar.
Well... there IS an unemployment problem.
A few 100,000 more Czars could be just the thing.
Bring the cuntry back to being a high income cuntry again...
Oh sure, shut down the internet, kill off Amazon.com, Google, etc. Great idea what with unemployment at 10% and all -- what could possibly go wrong? </sarcasm>
Good points. The communication pathways of the internet are such an integral part of the military-industrial complex that they'd be cutting off their own head to prevent us from seeing!
It is the FEAR of cutting off the internet that TPTB are playing with. They know that most sheep will blindly follow ANY government directives (including subjecting themselves to sexual assault at an airport ... or not reading a wikileak) rather than having to confront their fears.
The fact that the cables hardly mention Israel, and when they do they repeat the Israeli party line may have more to do with self-censorship and careerism by the bureaucrats writing the cables, than with filtering the release.
It is fine to poke fun of Berluscconi, Putin, Merkel and Sarkozy, but say something against the real owners of the USGov, and your career will be suddenly terminated.
Rule #1 of ZOG politics:
You do not talk about ZOG
Rule #2 of ZOG politics:
You do not talk about ZOG
Really good point...
even better than you think, you MUST keep in mind the reporters of these opinions and WHO they were reporting for or to and the time frame when the reports were being made.
Do not skim lightly over this last batch.
who what where and when who what where and when.
+1913, +1812, 1861, +1941, +1951 and plus every assassinated or attempted assassination of US presidents.
So, let's summarize here:
1. The US Govt officially supports the Govt of Israel.
2. There are no inflammatory diplomatic messages re: Israel (so far!)
3. Shylockracy "appears" to be a rational individual.
Question: Do you think that spitting in your wife's face is gonna get you laid? (assuming you're a guy, that is)
Check your premises.
there's no limit to free speech...zero. Fuck the govt and their fucking banks.
Yes there is. Dont go off the deep end.
The thing I found most interesting is that the state department just pulls shit out of their ass. They don't know anything, they are just feces flinging monkeys.
They really are just poo flingin monkeys...these people are out of control power mad idiots, and they think they can just flip a switch to shut people up? I love seeing pwnage like this on the Gooberment.
They have just motivated 10,000+ geeks to setup a system or three to completely end any perported claim of control over the internet. Nice job USA.FED.GOV, you've done it again!
Arpanet, the precursor to the internet was designed to survive Nukular holocaust(s)! Granted, idiotic bureaucrats are a powerful force, but they too will disintegrate to fundamental particles and radiation when 20Megatons hits them! They CANNOT put the Djinni back in the bottle this time, especially when said Djinni is generating jobs and wealth in the World.
Sure, all was fine with Wikileaks UNTIL they threaten to release data concerning a major Fed bankster.
FUCK THE FED
www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6Fpoebz2LE
Swedish Bahnhof data center looks awesome
http://damncoolpics.blogspot.com/2010/12/worlds-most-super-designed-data-center.html
But where are the blond-ems?
oooooohber geek chic
That's cool; thanks for the link.
I'd work there for free!
Last time i buy from Amazon!
Ditto
I just sent a message to Amazon telling them that they just told me where they stand on this issue and they're not getting another dime out of me. FUCKERS.
Oh I forgot, Webster Tarpley thinks this is all an elaborate facade... fuck Amazon anyways - corporate bitch.
GWT thinks literally everything is a master conspiracy.
These people are so all powerful that they fail miserably constantly. LOL.
Potent directors fallacy
WGT is a strong contender for 'Disinformation Front of the Year' himself! I'd like to believe he is sincere but, every time he exposes an arm of the conspiracy, he leaves false trails to the head. It's hard to know if that is accidental or deliberate.
One thing is for sure, though, he's a hard-line Bolshevik big-government socialist with a pathological hatred of the Trotskyite socialists who defected from his beloved FDR-inspired Democrat party and became known as the 'Neocons'. (I don't like them either -- and would like to send them back to the Democrats, or to the gas chamber -- but that's a separate issue).
What do you mean false trails to the head?
Tarpley was one of the first to link Bush family to the Nazi's which was huge. How do you think he is leading people astray specifically?
I said ... "every time he exposes an arm of the conspiracy" ... and the Bush family is certainly one of the American arms of the 20th Century that deserves being exposed -- but they are not at the head of the much older international oligarchy. They are 2nd level at best -- not part of the ruling aristocracy, but functionaries with working ties to it (through Harriman to Rothschild on the banking side, but with no distinction on the hereditary side ... early Bush forebears in America included a blacksmith and a preacher). Political functionary families are disposable lapdogs.
What's curious is the MSM coverage of wikileaks. Usually they are politely asked to decline to cover these types of issues as the coverage tends to lend some credence to the message. But they received the green light, with a loud bullhorn no less.
The MSM hate the blogosphere as a rule, and "unregulated content sites" in particular, because they cannot monetize these. Their media message about these is never too far removed from their quarterly financial reports. Even ZH has gotten a ration of shit from the MSM. If they hate it, then I automatically love it.
Welcome to the "Desert" of the Real!
Glad to see we have a few thinkers. Thanks and good luck
I've been suspicious all along as to why Wikileaks was permitted to continue publishing "inside" poop. They could have been shut down long ago. I think that it's been a planned event all along. The world gets to see what's going on behind the curtain, and it's not pretty. But, it is reality, and I think that it's been very useful to many parties that one would think, would be at odds over this.
However, now that the leaks have been made, I think that it may be business-closed for Wikileaks. Those with the power will prevail, no matter where they try to host their site.
The reason no one screws with Russia?....fear of Putin. Plain and simple. Platitudes and (so called) high ideals melt away under this heat. Fear still rules the weak. Imagine things if Soros were truly afraid.
Okay, then try this: They could not have been shut down at any time.
Does that change your feelings about things at all? Just asking.
Remember this?
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=403&invol=713
Matters not ... Common law is no longer relevent since we are under Admiralty law (gold piping around the US flag) and judges are not common law judges, they are Admiralty Law adminstrators.
Under the Emergency Powers that we now live under via the War Powers Act and renewed by Obama every Sept 14th, the US Constitution has been suspended and we are living in a dictatorship, where laws do not need to be Constitutional ... regardless of what the useless politicians swear to holding a bible.
+10 Wikileaks soap-opera notwithstanding, somebody even in "the open" should be pulishing the shit out of all the Exec Orders, War Powers Act, this & that sub-paragraph (b) of xyz, etc ad nauseam which are in fact IN FORCE RIGHT FUCKING NOW. Oh, did I forget Patriot Act? Duh. That's the "rule of law" folks - it's all totally "legal". How ya gonna ferret out all that shit & un-make the so-called law?
We sure spend a lot of time sweating like fat bitches in the paranoid certainty that we're gonna get our asses ripped wide open by TPTB if we're not good boys and girls. But in reality it ain't that simple.
Cops and armies don't like beating on their own people. Not in Beijing. Not in London. Not even in Washington, DC.
Read this:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep/oathkeeper-stewart-rhodes-interview.html
Maybe we should stop cowering before the monsters in our closets.
oh, I agree there; they will have trouble whipping all the poice to obey, etc. Comments about the "laws" just an intellectual exercise, but would still like to see a list - hopefully posted on everybody's door
Funny. Boy, the Russians might have a different opinion. Classical diversion tactics.
Why is the US under the spotlight right now and not one of the others?
It is not like China, Russia or so many other countries have never been in the spot light.
Remember the story about WMDs, the US knowing that Iraq had WMDs and where they were? One among many.
Dont tell that Iraq were not in the spotlight for their doings. They were and were sometimes for stuff they never committed.
Tells so much about responsibility as a failed concept. So many people so quick to look for diluting responsibility. So little time focused on assessing the reality of the revelations and so little time spent on realizing that people are powerless to change anything in the ways of their government.
Because that is the question: lets forget about what the Russians do, the Chinese do and so on... Could the US citizens change the ways of their government? They would need to have the desire of. They dont as shown by their quick jump to dilute their responsibility.
As to suspicion about allowance, are you unable to figure out that the US must pretend favour freedom of speech? It is nice and comfy to go around the world claiming to respect freedom of speech. But when a situation to censor rises, the US tries to censor. Just like any other power in the world.
So much for the lecturing...
US gov't, "We'll silence any and all dissent, manipulate statistical releases, and drive the markets higher no matter how much cash the Fed has to pump into it to buy toxic assets (including MBS, treasuries, foreign debt, municipal debt, ...). Things are F***ing fantastic, and we'll break the legs of anyone who says they ain't !"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpI9yuv6D8o
Sounds like King Otto's realm!
All,
Is it possible to download the entire cable database? I have tried to do it from the sweden site but i just doesnt work....i downloaded torrent and even with that it still doesnt work....can someone please guide me on how to do this assuming its actually possible? thanks!!!
Here's the official torrent with all cables:
http://file.wikileaks.org/torrent/cablegate/cablegate-201012011944.7z.to...
You can also check their web database:
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/
That is only 607/251,287.
You're right.
god bless sweden....and god damn america
amazon acted on orders from the government.....there are no ifs ands and buts about who pulled the strings at the american nazi headquarters - thanks leon you fucking asshole...
Do you guys think someone hit a nerve?
I took a little time to read some of the diplomatic cables. I jumped right to the "secret" section and read all of those related to N Korea, China and Israel/Iran.
The N Korea/China cables were interesting because they paint a picture of N Korea acting in desperation to try to get the attention of the US to enter bilateral discussion on how the US can help build/rebuild N Korea, however the US has been prevented from doing this because N Korea's neighbors insist on a 6 way discussion that would take into consideration of all needs of the neighborhood and not just N Korea (no favoritism and special deals here ... the neighbors might get jealous). The US has been forced to acquiesce to insisting on 6 party talks and not just 2 party talks... sheesh some people's kids, eh?
The picture painted of Israel is a country that is succeeding tremendously economically and technologically but feels it needs to hold all of its neighbors in the region back because any changes in the power status-quo would threaten its existence as it currently stands. If Iran for example got nuclear weapons, the other Islamic (Arab and Persian) countries that Israel cannot and does not want to live with in peace and on an equal footing, would not fear Israel as much as they currently do.
By not fearing Israel, in Israel's mind it creates a bad environment for future generations of Israelis. Seemingly in the view of the Mossad, any potential threat must be destroyed before it has to be dealt with ... regardless of whether the threat would have materialized at all ... and regardless of the effect on other human beings who happen to not be Israelis. (dunno, but seems psychotic to me)
Israel is totally psycotic - their supporters say "just look where they are, they need to be" and I would say "fine, then move them to Idaho!" oohh but no! we have to defend them there so they can keep worshipping that holy sand of theirs... while Christmas gets ran over in America...
anyway.. take a look at France's ghettos here: http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2005/11/05PARIS7527.html
I think it wise to keep in mind that there are nothing other than ruthless scumbags running most of the countries there and that we prop them up because we know that if Egypt/pak/saudi you name it were put to a real vote the outcome would NOT be anything Israel would wish to see.
We are arming everyone over there , even the so called MODERATE countries.
Well that has not worked well there in the recent past now has it.
Iran is a natural ally of ours but we are too weak politically to take advantage of that.
The problem is here NOT there.
Correction:
-- I think it wise to keep in mind that there are nothing other than ruthless scumbags running... countries.
That's why James Madison was a genius.
And then Roberts sabotaged him with Citizens United.
Lieberman is both a cock and an idiot.
It is quite clear that Senator Joe has no idea how to turn on a computer. Before he attempts to shut down the internet, he should take a course at a community college. I suggest he start with a tutorial on Windows 7 (home edition).
How long did it take to outrun the stars at DHS.
Two hours??!!
Actually, get him to start on Vista.
Hopefully his head will explode.
Dump him into regedit.exe, and hopefully he'll realize the REAL ENEMY is Microsoft!
Leiberman and McCain both worry the Oath Keepers:
Fascist shit, according to them. Oath Keepers would regard its passage as a "formal declaration of war upon the American people."
http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep/oathkeeper-stewart-rhodes-interview.html
lieberman mccain and that asswipe lindsey graham are a reflection of how low the bar of patriot is set these days.
send them to China they would be right at home.
bastards
+1000
Assange said next leak will affect one or two american banks. Please God, let it be the Vampire Squid.
When will WikiLeaks produce something substantial from outside of the USA?
Too much trouble to translate Chinese? Too chickenshit? Both?
Let's see what I can do with that:
Any leaks from China would come from a Chinese citizen. They kill you and your whole village in China for shit like that. Maybe it's not worth it? Probably not.
Other countries: What the heck, like the French go any dirt anyone cares about? The Germans? East Timor? And keep in mind, in some other countries the citizens already have a healthy disrespect for their governments, the US citizenry needs some slapping around for their own good.
But that's okay, I'm sure they'll get dirt on East Timor any day now. You bet.
I guess leaks only come from the US.
When have they produced something substantial from inside the USA? Did I miss something? Other than e.g., Putin is an alpha-dog, along with a bunch of rehash used to "vindicate" the hasbarat narrative? I don't think Bibi has been this excited since 9/11.
If something was produced on China what would be the purpose?
Do you think we need the proper motivation to go to war with them, is that what you want?
Do you really think that anything could be produced that would taint the Chinese?
All those Chinese bases around the world filled with troops murdering people by the hundreds all over the world should be released is that what you are looking for.
Anything that would come out that would prove they are a regime that works to deny their people the rights we say we treasure.
Really what would you like "produced"?????
"We are also confident that the kind of response espoused by Lieberman today will only make reprisals by the likes of Wiki that much more potent."
Hear hear.
DavidC
It is obviously a massive crime to emabarass the US government and its handmaidens by telling err.... the truth.
In fact in Canada the punishment for embarassing a corrupt government is death. So what is the difference between Flanningan and Mugabwe....none now.
Assange spokesperson was just on Napolitano. He said they will start leaking American bank information after the new year. Happy New Year.
Thanks for the link to the new wikileaks mirror site. All the released cables can be read there already. Haven't read anything really interesting yet but its good to have the information out there. Maybe the state department needs to learn about public/private key encryption for their cables if they're so worried about secrecy. (But that would imply government competence, which is very unlikely thank goodness)
A little bitch slap boycott for Bezos. And at the same time, the free web grows stronger.
An army of narrow bankers, consumer advocate lawyers, and investigative journalists ought to do the trick. Yes we do!
I guess that should largely quell the thesis that WikiLeaks was a US intel operation.
love wiki. the brother can my server any time..AMZN.. you just showed the world what a ginormous loser you truly are.. This land is your land, this land is my land.. just dont cross my property line..
If Amazon is against free speech - Boycott Amazon
Assange is either a fool, a provocateur, or a dupe
Just who has benefited so far?
BHO and the RNC gets to tar Hillary's 2012 date with destiny.
people who want to go to war with Iran got a nice boost.
so did the people who would like to take a swipe at N Korea
and the PTB who want to censor the internet got their "crises" that I'm sure won't go to waste.
And in return the public got what? locker room trash talk? confirmation of what the street already knew? embarrassing personal conversations? Yes, more pc conversations will greatly enhance world diplomacy.
So please, unless someone unearths a real smoking gun in this pile of gossip, stop with this poor under dog defender of the truth deification. No matter what little justice might come out of this, this man's poorly executed grandstanding stunt has set back real whistleblowing and truth seeking by decades. He has changed the course of history alright, but not in a good way.
He's either a fool, a provocateur, or a dupe. But hero? No
You left out the link to your site...
Whistleblowers provide the information, his team publishes it.
and so far, only 500 of 250,000 cables from this one leak. There have been other leaks you know, and there will be more.
Risking his life for the common good, yes, in my mind he is a hero.
Some things must remain private and confidential. In any organisation whether it be a corporation, government, defence force or charity there is a hierarchy of awareness and responsibility. Certain people are invested with executive decision making. Obviously these people should be employed on merit. Pure anarchic openness of all information sources leads to mass confusion, as people are unable to prioritise and process the data. A happy child trusts his parents to make good decisions on his/her behalf. That is why we need command and control structures in place around the world. When people feel that their confidences can be betrayed at the click of a mouse they are loathe risking authentic connections with others. I'm sure that Mr.Assange and his associates have a problem with the word "sovereignty". We actually need more respect for intellectual property and healthy boundaries everywhere right now, not less.
Three may keep a secret if two are dead. ENCRYPTION of diplomatic dispatches would've kept a lot of dirty laundry out of sight.
I don't think anyone here is arguing for open communications at all times. But, equally, one shouldn't argue that all actions taken by the government -- ostensibly on our behalf -- should remain secret forever.
Within a corporation, shareholders are (or should be) entitled to see all minutes of management and other meetings if they deem it necessary to determine what caused certain prejudicial actions to be taken. Management also reserves the right (rightly or wrongly) to monitor all staff phone calls and emails to detect fraudulent or destructive activities. The government is certainly now claiming a right to monitor all of our conversations!!
The real issue is how long communications and meeting minutes should remain secret. If the government decides "forever", then Wikileaks, or others, are entitled to say "no!".
Just as with the military disclosures by Wikileaks, where there was nothing less than a year or so old, there is probably nothing in the latest release that would prejudice any ongoing diplomatic negotiations. (I don't know about this time, I haven't checked).
You need to keep some perspective on this issue and not build straw men.
>>We actually need more respect for intellectual property and healthy boundaries everywhere right now, not less.<<
I'm convinced that if the Chinese and Russians - and every one else for that matter - had actually paid for all the content on the CD's and DVD's that they have pirated over the years (including MS OS), America wouldn't have a trade deficit and we wouldn't be worried about the outsourcing of all those factory labor jobs. Ofcourse, this is an unrealistic scenario since the wages in developing countries are so low they wouldn't be albe to afford a copy of Windows and would be 20 years behind in their development. Agh! The vagaries of the market...
Totally amazing that we are having to figure out ways around the US of A from censoring sites because the govt. says so. And we are in fine company too, China and Iran how wonderful. One good think about the internet is that we are seeing exponentially the US turning into a thirdworld fascists police state. They are trying to keep us in the country and away from information that might wake us up.
Sweden? Isn't this where Assange is wanted?
So, what are the Swedes gonna do? Arrest the files? Read the article again.
There are some truly courageous people out there. It really restores my hope.
FWIW there's been a rumor floating around that the internet porn business is so lucrative certain interests have an interest in maintaining the status quo.
I've been going through some of the SECRET docs on cablegate - Paying some attention to the message instead of the messenger. These cables are breathtaking in their scope; a veritable textbook on foreign policy and US self interests. Nevertheless, the names of sources that have been redacted out could still be figured out by foreign intelligence services when taken in the context of their respective cables. Overall, I would grudgingly say that Assange has done America a disservice. Not to mention, where are the TS (top secret) docs? Is that what he has put aside for his encrypted life insurance file? Assange is like a walking time bomb. This guy is one scary hacker with an anti-American bias. I wouldn't be surprised if he's received some anonymous false flag donations. Regarding the rape charges against him, I would guess that he was the target of a black ops honey pot operation put on by the Impossible Mission Force. :)