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Wikileaks: US Forces Yards Away From Osama In 2008

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The Guardian, which always does the fastest analysis of Wikileaks cables, has just released that back in 2008, US forces were as close as a few hundred yards away from OBL's Abbottabad compound (which incidentally is home to the Pakistan Military Academy which trains officers from across the nation. The academy is streets away from where Bin Laden was tracked down and killed.) From the Guardian: "The revelation that US forces were so close to the world's most wanted man in 2008 comes after material from the Guantánamo Files suggested the US may have received the intelligence that led them to Bin Laden as early as 2008. The US soldiers were due to perform a routine posting "training the trainers" of Pakistan's 70,000 strong federal military unit, the Frontier Corps." What a very unlucky coincidence. Surely, it explains the increased need for caffeine consumption by the Al Qaedan who surely needed to stay up at night and listen for SEALs jumping over the compound walls: "The two polite Pakistanis who helped Osama bin Laden hide in the shadow of their country’s army bought bulk food orders, chose major brands and equally favored Pepsi and Coke, neighbors and a local shopkeeper said." We wonder if the shopkeeper also sold the insulin so very desperately needed by the highly diabetic bin Laden following his Coke binges.

From the Guardian:

Abbottabad is home to the Pakistan Military Academy, the country's version of Sandhurst in Britain, and trains officers from across the nation. The academy is streets away from where Bin Laden was tracked down and killed.

The information about the US troops is contained in the account of a meeting in Washington between then deputy secretary of state John Negroponte and Pakistan's foreign minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi, discussing security co-operation and concerns across the country.

After both parties agreed the security plans lacked resources, Pakistan's national security advisor, Mahmud Ali Durrani, referred to the training co-operation.

"Durrani pledged Pakistan's support for the US Training-of-Trainers for the Frontier Corps starting in Abbottabad in October," the report read.

US forces may have visited the town for a second time, mere months later, according to the cable. "Due to the slow pace of construction, Durrani added he was doubtful that the more permanent training site at Warsak would be ready for the next iteration of training, scheduled in early 2009.

"Durrani thanked the US for its support of Pakistan's special forces, but requested more training and equipment to improve Pakistan's capacity, specifically citing lift capability and intelligence sharing."

Abbottabad is only infrequently mentioned in the 250,000 leaked embassy cables. The cables show the town, 50km north of Islamabad, also served as a distribution hub for US and UN aid in the wake of Pakistan's 2005 earthquake.

 

 

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Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:30 | 1234782 66Sexy
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Bullshit propaganda via gov controlled wikileaks.

WTB moar dual party paradigm controlled opposition tactics (yawn).

NEWSFLASH: Some parts of the population are capable of critical thinking. I guess you can still 'fool some of the people some of the time'.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:50 | 1234917 CrockettAlmanac.com
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How does news of  a three year old near miss help the government?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:56 | 1234952 Alex Kintner
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Ha ha. They can pin the near miss on Bush.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:58 | 1234978 CrockettAlmanac.com
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So you believe that Assange is working specifically for Obama and the democrats and not the US government at large or the military-industrial complex or Mossad?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:02 | 1235000 Alex Kintner
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No, I was joking. Assange works for Assange IMO. I'm Pro-Wikileaks. It's the only source of truth on the Planet. Keep on leaking Wiki.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:08 | 1235020 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Great. Now I suspect you of being Mossad.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:09 | 1235039 Alex Kintner
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Dammit. You blew my cover. I did indeed see a Moose in Maine once.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:19 | 1235094 CrockettAlmanac.com
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I saw that moose go down! So you must of been the dancing Israeli I spotted under a nearby bush.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:32 | 1235170 JohnG
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A moose bit by sister once

-MP

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:04 | 1235321 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat!

-BW

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 16:00 | 1235559 velobabe
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i thought i read something on WLcentral, that the courier of OBL was known about back in 08. this courier was mentioned again from the WH, i thought. they followed him. wikileaks is not gov or anything like that. he has some trouble on his hands right now.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 23:36 | 1236929 tiger7905
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Some interesting thoughts by Gonzalo on Bin Laden.

Summary here:

http://goldandsilverlinings.com/?p=876

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:18 | 1235071 NotApplicable
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Obama? Only power hungry boot-licker wannabes work for that puppet.

The name you're searching for is Rothschild.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:25 | 1235112 CrockettAlmanac.com
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So how does reporting that in 2008 US troops were active in an area which in 2011 was claimed to be the hiding place of bin Laden help the Rothschilds?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:34 | 1235179 capitallosses
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Oh jeez, come on, it's more fodder to support the view necessary to their story that he didn't die a decade ago.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:09 | 1235344 CrockettAlmanac.com
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But the leaked documents don't support that view at all. How does stating that some US soldiers walked by a building in 2008 have any bearing on events in that neighborhood three years later? The earlier event does not corroborate the later event. Why do you think it does?

 

 

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 07:09 | 1237310 Hexus
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So the big leak is "some soldier walked by a building three years ago". If that's newsworthy for wikileaks then they have lost their touch.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:00 | 1235295 High Plains Drifter
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crockett died at the alamo in 1836. would it be possible for you to remove his name from your handle. you are becoming more of  a embarrassment to the texas deligation, as time goes by, almost as much as texas gunslinger......

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:17 | 1235387 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Please explain how a statement indicating that US troops walked down a street which three years later became the supposed site of bin Laden's death has any bearing on the latter event.

It doesn't. Try this analogy:

How would the statement "US troops walked down Main Street in 2008 and did not see the Easter Bunny" serve to support the premise that Obama killed the Easter Bunny on Main Street in 2011?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 19:51 | 1236334 i-dog
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You're onto it, Crockett. TD gave us a misleading headline when he wrote "forces yards away from Osama" when, in fact, they were simply yards away from the place where they later [allegedly] found Osama.

They were also yards away from the book depository 2 years before Oswald [allegedly] shot Kennedy........

They're just using Wikileaks to try to convince the public that Osama was actually alive 2 years ago ... which I don't buy. There is considerable evidence that he died shortly after the bombing of Tora Bora and zero credible evidence that he has been alive since then.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 21:16 | 1236561 CrockettAlmanac.com
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If you understand this:

they were simply yards away from the place where they later [allegedly] found Osama.

I don't understand how you get to this:

They're just using Wikileaks to try to convince the public that Osama was actually alive 2 years ago

My question remains: How does the wikileaks report that US troops did not see bin Laden in Abbottabad in 2008 lead anyone to believe that he was alive at the time? The 2008 event has no bearing on the situation in 2011. If "they" wanted to plant a lie wouldn't "they" plant a lie which supports their position rather than one that has no bearing on their position?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 21:41 | 1236587 i-dog
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Wikileaks couldn't release a [non-existent] cable saying that Osama had been seen at that place 3 years ago, so they did the next best thing ... which results in misleading headlines around the world trumpeting, as Tyler also did: "Wikileaks: US Forces Yards Away From Osama In 2008". The public only read/hear the headlines and go away with the impression that Osama was alive 3 years ago ... thereby giving more credence to the bullshit story that he was killed a few days ago ... which is exactly what the CIA-Wikileaks intended.

I thought, from your OP, that you understood that. Apparently my confidence was misplaced.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 21:44 | 1236621 CrockettAlmanac.com
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So Assange has targeted those with poor reading comprehension in order to spread his nefarious lies?

Do you really believe that every single thing wikileaks puts out is a well crafted lie? Even if Assange is the bastard child of David Rockefeller and Golda Meir wouldn't you expect there to be a substantial amount of fairly meaningless chaff mixed in with Assange's purposeful lies?

The "truther" obsession with branding every single sentence spoken by Assange as an attempt at mind control is simply bizarre.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 22:04 | 1236660 i-dog
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"Do you really believe that every single thing wikileaks puts out is a well crafted lie?"

Yes, I do start out from that premise. Wikileaks is a CIA-controlled "limited hangout" ... which means that they combine truth with redaction. That is not the same as telling an outright lie (which is what O'bomber is best at). I don't believe that they have ever released false information or forged documents.

So, to ascertain the real motive for each release, one must look at what they don't say (in this case: that he was seen) or which leader/s they don't expose.

All of their releases are targetted at manipulating perceptions at critical times, through selective releases of the truth. They have done it over and over again.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 22:34 | 1236755 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Wikileaks is a CIA-controlled "limited hangout" ... which means that they combine truth with redaction. That is not the same as telling an outright lie

 

Such a confident assertion must be based on substantial evidence. Please provide your documentation.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 23:01 | 1236823 i-dog
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Check my old debates with Geopol on this board about 6 months ago (back when I was a believer in, and defender of, Wikileaks).

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 00:24 | 1237015 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Check my old posts which prove you're as wrong as you can be.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 07:28 | 1237322 Hexus
Tue, 05/03/2011 - 21:48 | 1236633 Freddie
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Sonny Crockett died! OMG! When? 18:36 hours? Was Tubbs there? So sad.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 07:03 | 1237303 Hexus
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1. It cover up the fact that he died nine years ago.

2. It suggests Pakistan were hiding him, therefore we should bring some democracy to Pakistan.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 17:05 | 1235757 clymer
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It's official - tyler is pushing the Osama Bin-dead-a-while (but let's all pretend we just got him and call it a "war on terror victory")

 

Wiki-hedge

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 17:13 | 1235780 clymer
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I call it like I see it

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 19:39 | 1236299 NumberNone
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Osama dead.  Video posted on Youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfPGNSCgXZQ 

 

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:23 | 1234789 Bruno the Bear
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Maybe it was the other kind of coke?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:29 | 1234804 In Fed We Trust
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Tyler,

Is that you back there?

Cuz it sure dosn't sound like your voice any more.

Since when have you been a big fan of the CIA controlled Wikileaks?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:37 | 1234865 AZSovreign
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And why do they keep calling him the "World's" most wanted? He was only wanted here for crimes he didn't commit. He was a risky CIA asset in that his death served a grand political purpose.

 

Wikileaks, lulz, more like Wikiganda for the sheep....

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:51 | 1234926 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Tyler has spoken approvingly of wikileaks more often than not from what I've read.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:54 | 1234939 NotApplicable
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IMO, his post is neither pro Wikileaks nor con (well, unless you count the reference to the Guardian's "fastest analysis" note).

Either way, it's (dis)info not to be ignored. Otherwise, it's harder to tell how the whole script is written.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 16:02 | 1235581 velobabe
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may 3, national free press day, being celebrated in the US of Fraud today. what a joke that is.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:24 | 1234793 tamboo
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sheesh, enough with the wikileaks koolaid already!

http://truthrss.com/2010/07/28/wikileaks-cointelpro/

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:53 | 1234935 CrockettAlmanac.com
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"Truthers" give those who have realistic doubts about government a bad name.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:26 | 1234799 Ancona
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This is all just another distraction from current events that really mean something. I think it is great that Bin Laden was killed, but I think he should have been packed in to the carcass of a 400 pound boar hog and buried in a pigpen. Why the hell are we permitting dhimmitude in our nation?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:30 | 1234808 A Lunatic
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Well this certainly sheds some new light on the reasoning behind falling PM prices.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:28 | 1234809 DizzySailor
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if you trust a Paki you are a fool.  Who sold Neuk technology?  This is being in bed with the wrong crowd and time will show I am right, if we survive.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:07 | 1235014 NotApplicable
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Do you not realize that this story line is all a creation to polarize you into a herd, "us" against a bogeyman, "them?"

Meanwhile the elites that fund both sides of spy vs. spy are enjoying the spectacle. These actors and their storylines are no more believable than those of professional wrestling.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:31 | 1234828 Segestan
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Ya.. like the Paki's never knew a thing..... BS to the first degree.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:36 | 1234841 SDRII
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OBL was well know for his tunnel escapes (tora bora etc., compounds, etc). Why would there not be a series of tunnel escapes?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:12 | 1235043 NotApplicable
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Look, you're never going to enjoy the show unless you learn to suspend your belief system.

I just wonder how many years they spent creating the facade named OBL 2.0?

First fake Saddams, now fake bin Ladens.

I bet they put him next to the military academy so the ISI could have him close at hand.

Wed, 05/04/2011 - 07:36 | 1237334 Hexus
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John Mclain was well known for his resourcefulness, he would of bagged that SOB YEEEHAAAAAHHH!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:38 | 1234869 Ima anal sphincter
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Gawd......First it was the "wedding", now this OBL thingy. Neither of them has any importance in today's world (for the people who knew he was dead and don't give a rat's ass for the "war on terror" lie).

I need some gun pratice.......short range shots first.......the TV's are dead.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:43 | 1234874 Gubbmint Cheese
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so they could have shot him in the right  err... left eye back in 2008?

 

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:44 | 1234878 gwar5
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They've missed OBL on several occassions --- because those 6'4'' guys with AK-47's and an entourage are just hard to spot in a crowd. 

I'm wondering what it says about the Taliban and AQ disinformation psyops since they were able to make the world think OBL was living from cave to cave all these years when he was actually drinking Coke and Pepsi in the same place for 5-6 years. Why should we pay billions (upon billions) for the the CIA, NSA, and all the other alphabet soup agencies to protect us when they've been outwitted by Bedouin camel riders for over a decade? 

Recall: They also failed to predict the collapse of the USSR, the 9-11 attacks, and they actually got all Pelosi-Eyed when the Norks came up with a nuclear bomb. We're wasting big money. 

 

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:53 | 1234947 NotApplicable
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But it makes for Must See TV!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 17:21 | 1235807 Rick64
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  Come on, they have had successful missions. IranContra comes to mind. Where a group inside these agencies carried out illegal weapon/drug sales and hid it from their respective agencies. Then when outed were offered immunity and pardons. Supporting two bad regimes at the same time with the same operation and turning a profit. Jesus those guys are good.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:46 | 1234896 Charles Wilson
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Scenario 1:

Pakistani neighbor:  "yeah, I met him a time or two.  Seemed like a a loner to me, not very friendly.  Gosh!  Who knew?!??

 

Scenario 2:

Paperboy: "I, like, knocked on the door 'n stuff and this guy came out 'n I axed him if he would like, you know, like to get the paper delivered 'n he just mumbled 'n shut the door.  That's all I know..."

Now, I'm not taking a position here on this but if you live in Arizona and some weird looking guy moves in next door with razor burns on his face and he has "friends" the size of the Colts Offensive Line and he stays away from the windows, I might be worried a little.

 

CW

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:50 | 1234921 entendance
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Implant Sciences Corporation (OTCQB: IMSC) (PINKSHEETS: IMSC), a high technology supplier of systems and sensors for homeland security markets, a ten bagger in sight
http://www.entendance.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=767&p=16721#p16721

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:20 | 1234924 kujo
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**NEWSFLASH**

Osama Bin Laden is still dead.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:53 | 1234931 bankonzhongguo
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Well, going forward the US is going to foment war between India and Pakistan to punish Pakistan for the 10-year crimes of protecting bin Ladin.

You think Iran with its 80 million bomb-less population is a pro-blamo?

Try 170 million nationalist Pakistanis with a 40 year-old nuke program-Atoms for Peace, delivery systems and nuke proliferator A Q Kahn under the same protection (hero?) as bin Ladin.

Not a signer to the NPT - along with North Korea, India and Israel.

The ISI putting a nuke inside a Karachi shipping container bound to Long Beach is 3 orders of magnitude more likely than cave-dwelling mujahedin country fucks.

When will Pakistan join the Axis of Evil? 90 days?

The debt level just got raised to fund a fifth-front, never-mind the emerging Saudi Arabia trying ot 'buy the bomb" from Pakistan to avoid going the way of Mubarak, Assad and Q-Daffy.

Lesson learned (again). 

You can get away with murder if you have the bomb.

 

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 20:06 | 1236378 Charles Wilson
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President Muffley (Peter Sellers): "Dmitri, you know how we’ve always talked about the possibility of something going wrong with the bomb? The BOMB, Dmitri. The hydrogen bomb..."

 

CW

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:52 | 1234933 dark pools of soros
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this is ridiculous...  always with the leak AFTER the related event.. just dump the whole lot - everyone can search it themselves

 

they are writing these up as they go along

 

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 13:58 | 1234965 CrockettAlmanac.com
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It has been explained to you time and again that individual cables are reviewed and the names of individuals who might be harmed are redacted. How many times does a "truther" have to hear the actually truth before he stops braying like a jackass?

 

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:17 | 1235065 dark pools of soros
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so if the release of these cables are handled so safely, why is Manning still being tortured??

I guess your point is that they only have a few people working on these so it is going to take decades to get everything out with all names safely hidden?  So who are these people and what clearance do they have???  If it is out it is out..  if it is being fudged.. well eat shit 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:29 | 1235133 CrockettAlmanac.com
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It's brilliant analyses like that one that have made you the "truther" you are today.

Aside: You can't really help these people until they hit rock bottom. But by then you've lost interest.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:05 | 1235312 High Plains Drifter
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so you are expert on how the government of the united states works for these particular situations? huh?   please, go away. you are embarrassing yourself....

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:25 | 1235427 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Please explain how the leaked story from 2008 has any bearing whatsoever on the supposed death of bin Laden in 2011. Do you believe that by telling us that US troops did not see bin Laden in Abbottabad in 2008 Assange is trying to prove that bin Laden was killed in Abbottobad in 2011?

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:09 | 1235011 Dr. Porkchop
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Of course they could have nabbed him years ago with a minimal force and some intel, but that wasn't part of the script now was it? They could have paid people off to give him up, because that's how it normally works. Isn't that how they finally reduced insurgent activity in Iraq? By simply bribing them?

No, they wanted blood, and blood they got.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:07 | 1235027 TruthInSunshine
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Rome is burning, but the government and Federal Reserve (and their overlords, Goldman Sachs, Mellon, Carnegie, JP Morgan, et al.) do hope that you keep on fiddling while she burns.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:08 | 1235032 blunderdog
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At last the truth about OBLs threat to the welfare of the USA is revealed:

equally favored Pepsi and Coke

That right there, friends and countrymen, is the real issue.  Proof positive that neither kapitalism NOR American-style Demockracy can possibly survive amongst the savage muzzies of the Mid-East.

[/do I need to tag this?]

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:16 | 1235077 dark pools of soros
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but when he drinks beer...  he drinks Dos Equis

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:26 | 1235128 shushup
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He wants to destroy our country but drinks USA created beverages. - What a sick bastard

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:43 | 1235214 blunderdog
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Hey, be nice.  He got a taste for the stuff when he was working with Reagan's boys back in the '80s.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:52 | 1235264 ThirdCoastSurfer
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Early reenactments of the raid on the compound depict "sentries" laying down machine gun fire on the approaching helicopters. That a compound could imprison a fugitive without detection isn't so hard to believe. That a compound with armed sentries on constant patrol caused no suspicion is a joke. I hope in the days to come to see or read of an interview with the guy that tweeted the event to get his impressions of what that place was, if he thought it was unusual that there were guys with machine guns on patrol, and if anyone was ever shot when a kite or a baseball got loose. 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:52 | 1235273 High Plains Drifter
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wiki spooks

rita katz and site intelligence group. the place where all of the al queada tapes came from. oh my, can you cay mossad? i knew you could.

https://wikispooks.com/wiki/SITE_Intelligence_Group

so who benefits from the war on terror?

¿el enemigo de mi enemigo es mi amigo? ¿sí? exactamente.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 14:56 | 1235278 Josh Randall
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Just shows WikiLeaks is a govt op disinformation effort-- he died in 2001

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:04 | 1235306 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Suppose bin Laden had died in 2001. How does stating that US forces operated in Abbottabad in 2008 have any bearing on that one way or another? What specific misinformation do you believe is being promulgated?

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:07 | 1235326 High Plains Drifter
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why are we fighting these wars?  i could care less where us forces have operated . we should not even be there or even be having this discussion.  you don't get it and probably never will.  so please , stop embarrassing yourself. go stand in the corner and put your dunce cap on and suck your thumb.....like the good little sheepster that you are pal.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:21 | 1235405 JR
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The cycle of war, created by the international financiers at the Fed, must be broken.  If the financiers of war - of occupation and killing and terrorism - are broken, then the cycle can’t continue. You can’t have uninterrupted, on-going war without the money.

The U.S.and Israel helped create al-Qaida by, as Chris Hedges says, “the collective humiliation that we have imposed on the Muslim world.”  Al-Qaida is a symbol of the fact that there are terrorists over there and terrorists over here.  It’s become a circle of blood: we kill, they kill.

One of the best discussions going on the internet is on Robert Scheer’s Truthdig revolving around Chris Hedges' remarks made Sunday evening at a Truthdig fundraiser, that have come to be titled: “Chris Hedges Speaks on Osama bin Laden’s Death.” Hedges covered al-Qaida for The New York Times.

Says Hedges: “The language of violence, the language of occupation—the occupation of the Middle East, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan—has been the best recruiting tool al-Qaida has been handed.”

 Not only is this article the best I’ve encountered, so are the comments.  Here’s one today by Lafayette:

The tragedy of the Middle East is a clash of cultures, ours Individualist and theirs Highly Collective.

 

We should force a solution down Israeli throats to establish a Palestinian State within which they can do as they please - out of the West Bank (entirely) and the Gaza Strip.

 

If that doesn’t happen we stop the annual foreign aid in the region of $2.5B, which historically adds up to more than a trillion dollars since 1949 (see here).

 

Enough is enough. Israel owes the Palestinians autonomy in exchange for peace, which is the foreign policy we should be promoting instead of kissing Israeli backsides.

 

If that happens, the al Qaeda kamikazis will disappear gradually like the morning dew. And our boys ‘n girls will stop coming home in body-bags.

 

And the Palestinian/Israeli peoples can get on with their lives - separately and independently.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/chris_hedges_speaks_on_osama_bin_ladens_death_20110502/

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 16:16 | 1235614 velobabe
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JR, i have just started to follow chris hedges. amped status puts up a lot of his articles. the first one i read was on the education system in america, i fell in love with this man. i read that article he put up on monday, well maybe submitted it late sunday night from what he said. the comments were great and astute, like these on zerohedge. i took heart their are some pretty good dialogues going on all around us.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 21:44 | 1236614 JR
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Thanks, velobabe, for the info on AmpedStatus:  I did not know of it.  I was captured by its leading feature article, "If We Can’t Unite to Topple Fed Dictator Ben Bernanke Our Complete Collapse into Neo-Feudalism Is Assured,” that began…

“The fact that millions of Americans aren’t demanding Ben Bernanke’s immediate resignation proves how horrifically propagandized and unaware the American public is…”

And then gave this partial list of the “evidence of the outright corrupt actions of the Federal Reserve and its primary dealers on Wall Street”:

·  Trillions of American taxpayer dollars were given, in secrecy, to the banks/people who were most responsible for causing the crisis in the first place.

·  After causing the crisis, they took our tax dollars and gave themselves all-time record-breaking bonuses.

·  They gave American taxpayer money to foreign banks and corporations, with billions going to places like Libya.

·  They funneled hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars into to the Cayman Islands, robbing us some more by directly subsidizing tax evasion.

·  They also added to the deficit by lending American tax dollars to their primary dealer banks, so the banks could then lend that same money back to the government at higher interest rates, leading to significant profits for the banks, at the further expense of the American public.

·  Through bailout programs they gave sweetheart deals to their friends, which socialized any loses and privatized all the profits.

·  They aid and abet trillions of dollars in accounting fraud.

·  They routinely manipulate the stock market.

·  And now, to top it all off, they are deliberately causing inflation in food, gas and basic necessities, while devaluing the dollar.

Quite a list, and I’ll add additional points from Charles Hugh Smith today: The Federal Reserve invoked the threat of financial calamity and national security in its failed bid to keep its 2008 machinations secret. Only recently has the public learned the nation's central bank devoted 70% of its interventions to ‘saving’ foreign banks.”

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 18:03 | 1235961 Rick64
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JR

 The Governments are in on the game. Foriegn aid and credit is offered in return for arm sales. Thatcher was a big proponent of this. Their policy is to deny it pubicly, but privately it is approved. They use subsidiary companies that are fronts for weapon sales in intermediary countries. Thats why chemicals and weapons aren't traced back to Britian and the U.S..

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 22:07 | 1236671 JR
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The game you mention brings to mind John Perkins and his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man – which is turning out to be one of the time’s most important books.

It’s been said that war is an extension of politics; but that’s no longer its primary characteristic.  War has now become the extension of capital accumulation, i.e., Iraq - for oil and to tear up things and rebuild so the multinationals and financiers could make money. Globalism is being used to neutralize the sovereignty of nations and to deliver more control to unelected individuals who hope to develop, through organizations such as the IMF, a world government. Globallization is the technique they are using; they support their contentions by saying marketing and resource development and economic stability are all factors that require an international approach rather than a national approach.  And that globalism, or world governance as they put it, is now necessary.

This global game is a deadly conspiracy, that if not stopped, will soon engulf the world.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 20:40 | 1236471 i-dog
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That's just the same old song, again!

Israel won't give up Jerusalem for long (that would undermine their millenia-old campaign to regain "Judea"), and Palestine can't viably exist with only the Gaza (their only historical claim on the region, as "Philistia").

They can't "live in peace" when they are both attempting to regain different, and overlapping, historical maxima.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 22:30 | 1236741 JR
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Without the interference of Israel and its superpower sponsor, the United States, there would be peace in Palestine in a week.  Wlith the help of the United States, Palestinians have been crowded into enclaves surrounded by high walls and machines guns while Israel expands existing settlements and provides infrastructure for new "unauthorized" ones.

The West Bank has been Israel’s concept of what Palestine should be: subservient and cooperative, but it is the West Bank that couldn’t exist as a separate state because it’s land locked with Israelis coming in from all angles.  The viability of Palestine as a separate state requires Gaza because of its access to the Mediterranean.

It’s beginning to look like, with Egypt’s help, a Palestinian state could become a reality.

The world is becoming tired of Israel’s expansion and uncooperative stands on negotiations; how much longer can the United States suffer the loss of world esteem because of its ham hand on the scales of Middle East justice?

At the same time, Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz announced that his government will stop all transfers of cash owed to the Palestinian Authority, starting with $89 million in funds they were due to send in the next week.

The move came in the wake of Israeli threats to stop transfers as punishment for the reconciliation deal reached last month between Fatah and Hamas. Steinitz said that the “burden of proof” was on the Palestinians to prove that any money wouldn’t be used for terror.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 15:38 | 1235465 CrockettAlmanac.com
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  i could care less where us forces have operated . we should not even be there or even be having this discussion.

 

And here you see a typical "truther" burying his head in the sand. Self righteous and willfully ignorant is no way to go through life but these "truthers" can not seem to grasp even that simple concept.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 16:24 | 1235645 Josh Randall
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Hey Sock Puppet Almanac - hit the road - you are embarrassing yourself

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 16:53 | 1235714 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Another "truther" expresses his love of free and open discussion.

Please explain why the report that US troops did not see bin Laden in Abbottabad in 2008 constitutes disinformation which is intended to prove that he was killed in Abbottobad in 2011?

It just doesn't follow. Millions of people likely passed through Abbottabad in 2008 and none of them reported seeing bin Laden. But I fail to see how not seeing bin Laden in 2008 constitutes evidence that bin Laden was killed there in 2011. Why do you think it does?

 

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 16:23 | 1235634 ThirdEye
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Facinating interview on Alex Jones today with  Dr. Steve Pieczenik. Claims Bin Laden has been dead for over nine years. Well worth a listen when it is posted. Covers much more than Bin Laden.

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 16:28 | 1235659 Josh Randall
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It was TRULY POWERFUL - the brother was naming names - this is a game changer in my opinion if this guy starts becoming visible in the Re-birth of America movement - his pedigree is second to none!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 16:57 | 1235738 falak pema
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PAk could now supply nuclear to BOTH Iran and Saudi, deadly rivals and make a bundle and tell the USA to stuff it! What a turn around that would be!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 17:03 | 1235744 falak pema
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OBL is deadwood from dead creek. Turn that page look ahead. Pak now holds nuclear trump card in the region. As USA has no hold on it, it lost that with OBL death, a real game changer, which means USA will start dripping down US military aid to PAk/Afgh and then as this winds down PAK will start peddling nuclear to Saudi and IRan as main nuclear islamic country....wow, what a game changer for INDIA!

Tue, 05/03/2011 - 20:26 | 1236458 puckles
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Not necessarily, with regard to India.  Let's not forget China and Kashmir (never mind Tibet, poor thing), the eternally linked game-changers; China has no desire currently to change her affiliations, but that may well change, and quite soon.

Unlike Pakistan, her client, China well understands global issues, especially those regarding sectarian divides. She does not care for them in the least, as she sees them, quite correctly, dividing her power potentially in the future.

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