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Will Anything Stop The Decline of CRE Prices?

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From The Daily Capitalist

Fitch reported today that commercial real estate (CRE) values continue to decline giving rise to greater loan losses on CRE. On the average throughout 2009, lenders recovered 43 cents on the dollar on distressed loans. They see the loss rate only going up.

The average loss severity rate or the ratio of realized loss to liquidation balance for U.S. commercial mortgaged-backed securities (CMBS) loans resolved with losses in 2009 was 57% compared to the 43% rate in 2008, according to new data from Fitch Ratings. Those losses outpace the cumulative historical average of 37.2%.

 

"Loss severities are expected to remain above the current cumulative average through 2011," said Fitch managing director Mary MacNeill. "Assets liquidated in the current economic environment will be those not likely to see cash flow improvement from an extension or modification."

 

"Assets will take longer to resolve as special servicers continue to see high volumes of underperforming loans," added Fitch senior director Richard Carlson. "Continued high inventory and the declining frequency of modifications means there is no relief is in sight." ...

 

"Property value is the barometer of potential losses for CRE debt," [Xiaojing Li, senior debt analyst for CoStar Group] said. "In the first quarter of 2010, there were already $270 million in losses via liquidation. Among the $17.7 billion in loans newly added to special servicers this year, 7% have already had appraisal reductions, threatening a new wave of losses."

Losses by property type were:

* Hotel: 81.9%. 
* Multifamily: 58% 
* Office: 56.9% 
* Industrial: 48.8% and 
* Retail: 48.2%.

I am reprinting this refi timeline chart to give you a better idea of the problem:

As you can see, there is a huge problem through 2013. Which translates into fall CRE prices. This price index from Moody's in March:

There are factors that are positive and negative at work in the economy with regard to CRE.

First, lenders are in trouble. CRE is held mainly by local and regional banks. However the very large loans are held by many insurers. S&P and Moody's recently downgraded some insurers as a result of this, despite the fact the insurers had raised $32 billion in capital. Downgraded were:

NLV Financial Corp. and subsidiaries, Pacific LifeCorp and subsidiaries, and Principal Financial Group Inc. and subsidiaries. The ratings on MetLife Inc. and subsidiaries remain on CreditWatch, where they were placed on Feb. 3, 2010. Standard & Poor's affirmed its ratings on Teachers Insurance & Annuity Assoc. of America (TIAA); the outlook on TIAA remains negative.

 

Only New York Life Insurance Co. was upgraded - to stable from negative and its ratings affirmed. ...

 

Basically S&P argues that current economic conditions in commercial real estate are tantamount to a 'BBB' scenario and insurers must have fundamentals to withstand even worse economic conditions to get a higher rating. For an insurer to rate a 'AAA' financial strength rating, for example, it would have to withstand the Great Depression - not the one that just past but the one of the early 1930s.

Second, this is why regional and local banks are in trouble. See my article, "How Bad Economic Theory Caused Santa Barbara Bank & Trust To Fail

The other side of the coin is that the vultures are gathering. For example, insurers who have licked their wounds clean are ready to jump back in:

Hartford Financial Services Group Inc. Chief Executive Officer Liam McGee, who promised to reduce risk when the bailed-out insurer hired him eight months ago, is comfortable enough with his work that he’s looking for deals in the U.S. property market.

 

“We’re no longer on our heels when it comes to real estate,” McGee said in an interview yesterday at Bloomberg headquarters in New York. “Our bias going forward would be less about selling and more about realizing value.”

Read this as cherry-picking.

Add to that the pools of capital that local investors are putting together on the sidelines, waiting to jump in as they see values making sense. Based on my knowledge of these markets, this phenomenon is nationwide, and represents a huge pool of capital in the aggregate.

What these buyers will do is act as a backstop to the CRE market. I can't guess what that level will be, but I believe the vultures are getting impatient. I believe there is still a lot of risk in this market, but then I am very adverse to risk. Most of what I hear is anecdotal but investors are chasing yields, and in the right market with the right property that makes sense.

I just don't think we are at bottom yet. And this will continue to harm the small banks. Without the small banks recovering I believe we will continue to have problems with a lack of liquidity, a credit freeze, deflation, and a slow recovery.

 

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Sat, 06/12/2010 - 16:21 | 409828 Econophile
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Let me clarify a few items.

1. The REITs were bid up by the market last year because they were cheap relative to their debt structures. This is a big generalization, but those REITs that had stable long-term debt or very low debt relative to their asset base, were pretty good deals. I am sure there are some crap that was bid up with the good ones. SPG? Dunno (although Herb S. lives here--whoops, name dropping again).

2. The market is indeed "compressing" cap rates which is a fancy way of saying that prices are dropping. I am familiar with the So. Cal. market and, taking the LA area as an example, there is a major collapse. Values are down, cap rates are up, rents are down, and the competition for tenants is cutthroat, as I can personally testify. Oh, I almost forget to say that getting a loan is difficult.

3. There is always a market for gilt-edge properties. At some point, a prime property will be bought up, but not quite at the dramatic discount you'd think. The reason is that there is a lot of capital from major investors (REITs and insurance companies, etc.) who would like to buy them. Nothing new there.

4. CMBS is not really the major problem with CRE. A relatively small portion of CRE debt, as shown in the GS chart, are MBS. The vast majority of loans are from regional and local banks and that's the problem. IMHO there is no way MBS can do anything to impact this market in a positive way -- yet. As Cheeky points out, these new deals are just to test the waters and crank cash out for the Streeters. These attempts are futile, as Cheeky points out.

5. I see deals all the time, mainly from banks. My anecdotal evidence is that there is some movement with their REO. It appears that the FDIC and OCC are starting to pressure them to deal with the problems rather than extend-pretend. Many of the deals are financed by the same lenders. Most of them require recourse. As I mentioned, I don't need deals bad enough to go recourse in order to bail out some lender for a bad loan. They should be paying me to solve their problem. Many of these deals need a lot of work: remodeling or completion, rebuilding tenant base, and the like and while "bad boy" guarantees are OK, recourse on repayment in such a bad environment isn't a good move for me.

6. What would help is for the government to force lenders to deal with their problems rather than keep extending their time frames in the hope that the market or inflation will bail them out. In the early '90s the RTC was created to push foreclosed CRE out the door as fast as they could. No recourse for the most part. As a result a lot of great deals were made for buyers, but the positive effect was the clear out the "malinvestment" and get the economy rolling again.

7. This time the problem is huge in that the entire world is impacted by this boom-bust. The quicker we find bottom the sooner we will recover.

Sun, 06/13/2010 - 01:29 | 410260 Econophile
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Whoops, I meant "rising." Sorry. Thanks Grommit.

Recourse? Not to take over bad deals. Healthy on "normal" deals and recourse was the norm pre-crash.

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 16:48 | 409846 Gromit
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2)  No, cap rate compression means prices are rising.

5)  As for recourse, like it or not, it's back. And it's healthy.

6)  Oh yes, lotta angry bears sitting on a pile of cash waiting for price discovery. The scary thing is, it doesn't seem as close as it did two years ago.

7)  Yes but to go there we have to go somewhere unthinkable. Better to kick the can.

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 11:00 | 409632 SamuelMaverick
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I have been working for a utility / communications  company for quite a few years now. During the height of the real estate boom in 2005 I was bringing new service to both new and existing commercial real estate in New York. I had to physically go in every floor of many multi floor office buildings, and in a ton of tech parks and industrial parks.  First hand I witnessed that almost all the floors of every existing older buildings were totally empty ( and were in shambles) , and in the new buidings the empty space  was worse. I am talking occupacy rates of 20% ( my estimate).  Best (worst) part was most of the existing tenants were quasi government / public /private bogus agencies. 

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 12:04 | 409671 pitz
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Makes since, since the peak of US employment was in 2000, and automation,  telecommutting, and online shopping has allowed employers and retaillers to reduce their real estate requirements substantially since.

That any CRE was newly constructed since 2000 is kind of bizarre since there wasn't actually a shortage in 2000 and the economy hasn't grown since. 

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 09:41 | 409586 Kreditanstalt
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Actually I don't see them declining anymore.  The big REITs have been pumped and pumped for months.  SPG is at $87 now: a ludicrous price given the economic maelstrom approaching.  The bigger question is WHY they aren't declining...and, after months of trying to short those SOBs I have figured out that it is

a) because they are 90%-95% institutionally owned and, absent redemptions, higher interest rates or demands for cash, the funds backing them need never sell.

b) because they pay dividends in cash still.  Never underestimate the short-sightedness of investors who, when they should be fleeing all paper assets for gold and commodities, STILL grub for dollars.  (On the other hand they NEED to: they have to pay all their own investors, unitholders, mutual fund clients and lenders in USD cash).

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 09:51 | 409592 Gromit
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Yes that's right. REITs were bought for yield but that's run up about as far as it can , SPG yields 2.75% now. But it will need a catalyst to take them back down.

Price discovery has been resisted by government, lenders and sellers alike and it probably requires a major player to BK (remember GGP in 08 before QE?) to send all players cascading down.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 22:55 | 409336 Kreditanstalt
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"Will anything stop the decline of CRE prices?"

~ hopefully not...

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 09:32 | 409580 RockyRacoon
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Well, not to be argumentative, but something will stop the decline, if nothing more than it stopping at the underlying value of the former farm land under the building.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 18:19 | 409036 moneymutt
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Is there someone that can demand and get a bailout as CRE falls? To me this is THE question...to date, it seems to me CRE has fallen more quickly than residential because its the small and regional banks taking the hit, while big banks are much more exposed to residential real estate...so if you "help" "homeowners" with urging of big banks, you get things like homebuyers tax credits, HAMP etc...is there anyone as politically conncected and connected to CRE as big banks are to residential.

Having asked that, I believe it will all come down, its just a question of how fast and at whose cost, taxpayers or private hands. Do we do an Argentina or a Japan? Do we even have Japan as option, or will wheels come off of our reserve currency much faster? Where does CRE fit in?

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 04:37 | 409486 StychoKiller
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My intuition says no, and some of those TBTF banks are gonna be forced to buy up most if not all these non-performing smaller banks (Ouch!)

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 16:28 | 408843 BoyChristmas
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Goldman is going to put out their newest CMBS pool very soon with contributions from Citi and Starwood. The plot thickens.

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 01:11 | 409415 Cheeky Bastard
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Really?

Do you have any details as to when will that be announced ?

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 16:12 | 408796 Bohica
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NAR is projecting increasing vacancy rates for most CRE sectors thoughout 2010.  The office market is the worst of then lot, projected to reach 17.6% by Q1 2011.  And similar gloom for rents: NAR expects office, industrial and retail to fall another 2.3%, 6.3%, and 1.5% in 2010, respectively.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 15:21 | 408709 Mark of Zerro
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"that was just a slow spot," said Jan Kniffen, CEO of J. Rogers Kniffen, a retail industry consulting group.

Ha!  A "retail consulting group".  That's like getting dieting advice from a 460 lb. slob.

Interesting as well how so many "media types" have forgotten all about the true Feb-April spending stimulus:  Income Tax Refund Checks!

Those baby's are gone and spent.  Welcome to the new broke (brave?) world.

 

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 14:51 | 408639 Econophile
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I agree with almost all of the comments so far. Real estate is local and I've seen some good So. Cal. deals get taken. All were financed by the lender. I personally have been wary because I am not willing to guarantee a loan and almost all deals still require that, even though you'd think I'd be doing the bank a favor by taking the property off their hands.

There are too many places in the country where that will take years, especially in retail and hospitality. Eventually they will find bottom because at some price you can make it worthwhile to a tenant. Tell me what the government will do and then I can tell you when. But who can predict that?

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 20:26 | 409190 Gromit
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Sorry but recourse loans are healthy IMHO.

The idea of non-recourse - in which you can walk away without penalty - is very recent and is part and parcel of the problem of reckless overvaluation.

My experience in the field is that A properties are experiencing cap rate compression (prices increasing) for well located real estate with a durable income stream.

Maybe its a combination of factors, angry bears sitting on a pile of cash developing cabin fever, distrust of stock market, REITS appearing to top out and yields falling back, anyway a lot of real estate guys want to get back into real assets. But I agree it's unlikely to end well.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 13:12 | 408439 Mark of Zerro
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The "vulture investors" are getting ready to jump in?  It's a vat of hot oil I tell ya.  They will end up carcasses themselves.

There is a greater than 50/50 chance that a few more large retailers are going belly-up causing an additional tens of millions of square feet flooding the market.  Add to that the terrifying amount of mom and pop stores closing, and the remainder of the lease market actively shopping for bargain basement lease rates. 

We are seeing a continuation of a huge contraction.  Who's going to step up and rent this over capacity?  Have you tried to take out a business loan recently?  Has anyone talked to a local banker about opening a new retail location?  Unfortunately, you'll more than likely get laughed out of the bank branch.

What a mess.

 

 

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 04:26 | 409485 StychoKiller
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But, but... what about SBA loans?!  Surely the Govt can bail US out too?!! (NOT)

 

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 14:07 | 408554 -Michelle-
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I'm envisioning malls being turned in to homeless shelters.  Or just evolving in to homeless shelters.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 17:00 | 408919 FEDbuster
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FEMA camps just like the Superdome.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 15:20 | 408710 Mark of Zerro
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That's an unpleasant and sad thought.

 

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 13:00 | 408424 BoyChristmas
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CRE prices reported by Moody's CPPI is not even fully representative; it only includes actual trades. If you take into account the loss severities in discounted payoffs and principal reductions the picture would be grimmer. 

Sad part about this is the Fed pumped liquidity into these assets while fundamentals had no help. Of course CMBS prices rebounded with 2% debt financing. Money needs to go to support fundamentals with small business loans, infrastructure loans, and other means of supporting the actual productive tenants rather than the paper assets that are funded by fundamentals. If I had to describe this meltdown in one way, I would call it the GREATEST mis-allocation of capital ever.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 11:47 | 408256 boeing747
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Since most of CRE lenders are big insurnace companies, you know what stocks you shall sell/short now.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 11:30 | 408216 Ripped Chunk
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Write downs

Write offs

An army of bulldozers

15 years

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 13:41 | 408506 Kali
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An army of squatters in 15 yrs

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 11:12 | 408167 boeing747
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San Jose downtown office building lease rate now $0.5/sqf. Several years ago $3/sqf. I'm running street to street daily. This year's CRE is worse than that of last year. If without cash from Asia, this area could be much worse.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 10:44 | 408121 wgpitts
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why does SRS and DRV keep going down..down...down....????? How much money is the FED and its surrpogates going to pump into these REITS or how much of their garbage are they going to keep purchasing?

SRS - http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:SRS

DRV - http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLL_enUS358US358&q=NYSE%3adrv

The SRS chart from 2008 looks nearly identical to URS

SRS - http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:SRS

 

URE - http://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:URE

 

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 01:04 | 409410 edwardscpa
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Because that is what leveraged ETFs do - they go down.  Bull or Bear fund, doesn't matter... it's a mathematical certainty.  Google it, or just think it out.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 16:22 | 408828 Nate H
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I agree - there is obviously another side to the story presented here -right or wrong the market is voting this cre sector higher..

anyone understand/believe in the bull case?

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 10:44 | 408111 Mercury
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Just a thought but might a more favorable environment for commercial enterprise (business incentives, tax policy etc.) buttress commercial real estate prices? With an unfavorable enough environment wouldn't we see prices head much lower still?

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 14:42 | 408617 Panafrican Funk...
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You hit the nail on the head.  Unfortunately, tax cuts and business incentives aren't a good political play in a tight state and local budgetary environment unless the area is already used to these types of incentives/cuts.  I've lived in both Chicago and Nashville recently, and the contrast is stark in the viewpoints regarding lowering the cost of doing business in order to remove job growth barriers. 

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 10:25 | 408046 RockyRacoon
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Will Anything Stop The Decline of CRE Prices?

Sure, when the values attain an equilibrium with the rest of the economy.  I've been a real estate broker since 1974 and I can tell ya I've never seen the amount of commercial build-up as I have in the last 10 years.   I have driven by many newly built, and empty, commercial projects and asked myself, "Where is all the money coming from?  Where do they expect the tenants to come from?  How many Vietnamese manicure parlors and pizza restaurants can the economy support?"  Admittedly, I have not been engaged in real estate sales, but the answers to those questions have become clear in the last year or two.  The money is coming from the infinite printing press (digital entry), and there are no tenants.  I doubt that much of this commercial footage will be occupied for many years.  I've been reading lately about a lot of phantom vacancy in the form of empty office desks.  This is square footage that is not on the radar screen.  E.G.: A company fires 5 employees but does not cut back on the rental space per se.   It's a very large number!

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 17:50 | 409000 hambone
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One really big negative I don't hear much about are the # of business's that have down (right) sized their operations but remain in their current location.  Tons of empty cubicles and even empty floors within many very big employers (certainly true for me).  They could add back 10 to 20% easy without needing to even consider increasing space.  Truth is a lot of these biz's will, in time, be downsizing.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 21:36 | 409260 RockyRacoon
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I have actually read an article about the phantom vacancy rate, but I just can't find the link.  The actual number is astounding.

EDIT!  here it is..........

http://nreionline.com/property/office/phantom_vacancy_haunts_office_market/

Even scarier, I googled the term "phantom office space" and my own ZH post showed up in 5th place.  Spooky.

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 04:23 | 409483 StychoKiller
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Kinda like meeting yourself coming around a corner! :D

Sat, 06/12/2010 - 09:29 | 409578 RockyRacoon
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Doppelganger...

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 10:28 | 408067 FEDbuster
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Mal-investment at it's finest.  If the banks would lend it, builders would borrow and build it.  Now we are stuck with trillions of dollars of unused real estate.  This will end badly, it always does.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 14:38 | 408607 Panafrican Funk...
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Seems to mirror what's happening in China.  Man, that's going to be fun when they realize the true value of their economy and their subsequent inability to buy our debt. 

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 08:50 | 407889 Cheeky Bastard
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Also; if I may recommend something to you; dont look at the statistics; it is extremely deceiving regarding the true state of CRE [or any other asset class for that matter].

Listen to the market, observe indexes and SPs. Look for new issues of CMBS [something like RBS and JPM ones] and the variables surrounding these new offerings. Statistics is without informative value here, and for once the market is the prime indicator of the true state [this only goes for CMBS and some RMBS and ABS parts].

Statistics will tell you nothing until its far to late and the unraveling has finished. It is a descriptive discipline, not a pricing method.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 09:28 | 407961 FEDbuster
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I know that commercial rents in our area (AZ) are being cut in half to retain tenants.  There is a glut of office and retail space for lease.  Many landlords are offering up to 6 months free rent to get a tenant.  There is no new building going on, so this is exsisting space fighting for tenants who have been able to survive the past three years.

How long can the banks hide this huge problem?  I know they have new accounting rules that make it easier, but at some point the lack of mortgage payments has to hurt.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 11:47 | 408255 marc_hanes
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My former employer in uptown Charlotte just lost their lease because the landlord almost doubled the rent to something in the area (I am told) of $40/square foot. This is a family owned grocery store well known in Charlotte. Owners balked and are moving out, as are another tenant, a restaurant. This is two of the three tenants in the building (parking garage above). So much for cutting deals to keep a good tenant in place during an economic downturn. The landlord? Bank of America.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 19:39 | 409139 ToddGak
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I guess the way to make up for losing money via bad loans is to screw your existing tenants, who may have strong ties to their local customer base and thus be resistant to moving and forced to pay the increased rates.

Then again I've heard of existing tenants moving half a block away or across town to take advantage of lower rent offered by a struggling commercial property owner, so I guess it goes both ways.  All in all it seems there is massive downward pressure on rents.

What is it going to take to make this whole thing go kablooey?  Seems like the "end is nigh for CRE" talk has been going on for a while...what will be the tipping point?

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 18:27 | 409048 Sespian
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When they're stealing from their employees, can tenants expect any less?

http://mandelman.ml-implode.com/2010/06/bank-of-america-employees-say-th...

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 16:57 | 408913 FEDbuster
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BofA just doesn't care.  They and the other banksters have ruined the real estate market.  Your former employer is better off moving.

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 14:37 | 408604 Panafrican Funk...
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Interesting, screwing their supposed hometown.  That seems to mirror the extreme bullshit I had to go through attempting to refi my house. 

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 08:42 | 407882 Species8472
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So why is PCM holding up so well?

Fri, 06/11/2010 - 08:42 | 407881 Joe Shmoe
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I know a lot of people don't like Robert Reich's politics.  Whatever. Here's an interesting piece he wrote for Hf Post

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/dont-listen-to-the-cheerl_b_6...

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