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Will The Finnish Vote Dead End Europe's Bailout Bonanza?

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Sun, 04/17/2011 - 18:30 | 1178600 Infinite QE
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To the saunas......

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:43 | 1178763 Ahmeexnal
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Silver broke 30euro/ozt.

Catalunya is about to break free from the chains of Spain and issue its own currency.

It's happening...now...the death of the euro.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 20:01 | 1178792 Long-John-Silver
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Wild swings in Silver tonight. Looks like the shorts are attempting to get it below $43 without any success. Hopefully it will break $44 and if it's starting a secular bull run we may see $45 today as well. That will setup $50 by Friday or early next week.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 22:54 | 1179055 bigdumbnugly
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Will The Finnish Vote Dead End Europe's Bailout Bonanza?


yes, it will finnish them.


yuck yuck

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 20:29 | 1178840 Rider
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Just like the independence of the Republic of Texas.

Catalans sucked the tit of the government for many years getting most of the government  investments, now they are biting the hand who fed them in the past.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 21:12 | 1178896 WestVillageIdiot
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Remember the Alamo, bitches. 

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 22:15 | 1179005 Pool Shark
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Actually, Catalonia and the Basque regions were the most repressed by Franco (who made it illegal to speak Catalan). Makes sense they would want secession...


Sun, 04/17/2011 - 21:11 | 1178892 WestVillageIdiot
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I was just over there.  I thought it would be interesting to get a sense of what was going on politically and economically.  I never got a sense.  I guess I was too much of a visitor.  I did help out the economy a lot, especially the brewers of Estrella.  I must say I was very disappointed with the food.  I had a paella in Sitges that was incredibly disappointing.   I can find 5 places within a mile from me that have paella that would have put it to shame.

It is my understanding that Ireland and Spain both grabbed the EU bucks with both fists.  Now, they are acting like all of those "homeowners" that cry predatory lending.  I'm not saying that I side with the financial elites.  I'm just saying that I hear a lot about "victims" but see so few of them.  I work with several Irish.  I remember when I was telling them in 2006 that the Irish miracle would end in tears.  They thought I was nuts.  All of their friends and relatives were doing great financially, especially the ones speculating in........drum roll please............real estate.  The ones speculating in Spanish real estate were really kicking ass.

The global financial clusterfuck is like a diamond.  There are so many facets.  Every time you look at it from a different angle you see something you never noticed before. 

It was fun seeing Roger Waters perform The Wall in Barcelona.  Something seemed right about it.

Roger sang, "mother, should I trust the government?"  The words "No Fucking Way" flashed across The Wall.  You can Roger that. 

Mon, 04/18/2011 - 04:29 | 1179399 Treason Season
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You don't go to Spain for the beer but thanks for the summary nonetheless.

Mon, 04/18/2011 - 04:40 | 1179403 alpha60
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word. had same disappointment in spain 18 months ago. thought i'd check out soon to be cheap real estate, spent a month driving from barcelona down the coast, then to lisbon, then south. what many readers may not realize is that tapas is actually spanish for 'unedible shite.'

though barcelona can be fun, overall the spanish coast was dirty, expensive and full of moderate to bad service, bad food. everybody seemed to be an f-uvalot richer than me, cause 5 euro waters didn't phaze 'em. 

the toll roads, built in parallel to the non-toll roads were gourgeous (and empty) and cost me about 60-80 euro a day. and those windmills.

found about nothing in spain, maybe i wasn't looking well enough. i hear basque country is pretty amazing.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 18:35 | 1178611 Deluxe186
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Sun, 04/17/2011 - 18:44 | 1178625 Quintus
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Political parties all over Europe make Anti-EU noises during election campaigns, because they know that most Europeans want to roll back the unelected Supra-national political vampire squid that seeks to undermine our individual national sovereignties.  

However, it is remarkable just how quickly these same parties do a 180 degree turn as soon as they are elected and continue the same integrationist policies of the parties they have just beaten.  In Ireland's recent elections, for example, this U-turn took less than 3 weeks.  If the True Finns hold to the policies that won them so many seats in Parliament, it'll be a first.

I hope for the sake of all Europeans that they do, but I suspect that whatever tricks the EU used to bring previous Anti-EU parties into line will be deployed in this instance also.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:07 | 1178675 chubbar
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That's because it is much easier for TPTB to sit down and explain the facts of life to one or two elected officials than sway millions of voters. Just ask Kennedy.

Mon, 04/18/2011 - 04:56 | 1179413 Quintus
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Imagine how much more efficient the EU will be when they finally dispense with the need to sit down with elected officials and tell them what their policies will be.  No need for all those silly 'Election' thingies.  No need for national politicians to prepare a set of 'Policies' that will need to be 'Fixed' by the Eurocrats after the election.

Oh yes.  Much more efficient.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 18:47 | 1178630 4shzl
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Finns are the Angry Birds of the EMU.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 18:51 | 1178635 Theta_Burn
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I don't care what Adam Ant says...Tom of Finland, you rock.

Now where the fuck are those 'true Americans?

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 18:59 | 1178649 I am Jobe
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True Americans are stufffing their face and watching a drug infested sports called MLB. Nothing new in the USA. Sheeples led to believe and ok with their TV shows and fast food.Don;t cut that cable , when they will rise up and say something.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 20:01 | 1178799 Long-John-Silver
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If I could I would un-junk you.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 20:56 | 1178875 Fred Hayek
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To bother to label any sport of any kind above the level of junior high school as "drug infested" is to indulge in redundancy. 

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 20:58 | 1178877 Caviar Emptor
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Yeah. If angered, True Americans might get drastic and tweet sardonically! Or they might get really extreme and crumple the paper napkins from McDonald's and throw them on the ground! Just yesterday I saw a snippy bumper sticker.....spooky 

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 21:18 | 1178908 WestVillageIdiot
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TPTB have developed the most amazing mind control device ever conceived.  It was so simple and so diabolical that it is scary.  I don't think its effects can be undone.  The masses are hooked and will not be won back.  The proles have no power to resist it.  It has stripped away any thought that Winston Smith may have had that revolution could begin with the proles.  The device is the cell phone.  There is no turning back.  Just watch the fucking idiots around you with their cell phones and try to convince yourself that this collection of morons is capable of anything productive. 

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 22:04 | 1178991 UGrev
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You gotta blend, though. I still do sheeple shit on purpose so I don't appear to be a "survivalist". Last night, at my wifes birthday dinner, I had to explain what FIAT was to 3 CPA's. Playing their game is equally as powerful. Look normal, act normal.. say shit that makes heads explode like "This here money is backed by the sheer fact of your birth and what your potential is to produce". Then you sit in awe of replies like "wait.. our money isn't backed by gold?"...  I almost choked on my scallop. 

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 23:48 | 1179127 Founders Keeper
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[I still do sheeple shit on purpose so I don't appear to be a "survivalist".]---UGrev

This comes up for me some times too. There are people with whom I share absolutely nothing. I act as though the economy is fine, getting better, recession is over, good times ahead, glad that's over, planning a vacation this summer. (Geez, I haven't "planned" a vacation in two years!)

But, if you're a "cool customer," love this country, and hold dear at least the basic principles of our nation's founding, I'll take a chance on you.


Mon, 04/18/2011 - 04:43 | 1179406 ZeroPower
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glad that's over, planning a vacation this summer.


Nothing wrong with enjoying fruits of the loom while you still can.

Mon, 04/18/2011 - 01:05 | 1179245 gorillaonyourback
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fuck em jobe, the ones that junked u r the same fat ass, dorrito eatin piles of shit that sit in front of the tv

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 18:53 | 1178644 Doña K
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We need a steady hand in Finland. Don't sell your souls to the banking cartels. Do the right thing.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:14 | 1178698 Finn
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Sold that already in 1990. The politicians paid the price when national referendum in 1994 stripped them of power, by joining EU.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 21:21 | 1178912 WestVillageIdiot
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1940:  The Finns fight off an invasion by the Soviet Union

1990:  The Finns roll out the welcome mat to the EU.

What a shame.  So many proud peoples have been sold out.

Mon, 04/18/2011 - 03:00 | 1179363 Finn
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Much more complicated than that. When your politicians sell your economy to banksters and TSHTF, do you reward them by allowing them business as usual, or do you strip them of power to repeat it? Oh yes, sorry I forgot, in US it's the former.

Finland did gain a lot from the Euro, not the least of which was extreme currency stability and very reasonable interest rates. Markka was destroyed, yes, but not by joining the Euro, it was crushed half a decade earlier by international speculators. Once your interest rates hit 20% and unemployment is 18%, the benefits really tend to seem like something you want.

Finland did survive, but it was real tough for the citizenry for the whole decade, and there's the big reason why my generation tends to look at the PIIGS struggling with auterity measures, and say BTDT.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:02 | 1178657 Racer
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Funnymentals are irrelevant, the FED is GOd

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:05 | 1178665 IdioTsincracY
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As everybody seems extremely worried about the EU, what is happening over there, albeit in a messy way, is a re-balancing process of the economies, that will lead to some sort of stability. Even though private investors will eventually take some losses, it will not be the disaster that everybody expects.
Actually it looks like the UK might end up being the biggest European problem (but this is for another day).

On the other end, the situation in the USA will most likely deteriorate greatly this fall when budget (political and financial), T-Bond, and Dollar crisis will hit at the same time possibly causing another historic crisis, only this time with the additional problem of high real inflation and weak job market.

I think that the two nations that bet everything on financial services (USA and UK) will again bring down the world.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 21:24 | 1178917 WestVillageIdiot
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Hand 20 people at random the same size of shoes and then tell them to run a 100 meter dash.  Wait to see how long it takes 15 of them to fall on their face. 

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:05 | 1178667 I am Jobe
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Agreed. However there are very many who already have and continue to be debt slaves and have not  woken up.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:05 | 1178669 jkruffin
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Can I say?

Gold and Silver Bitchezz............

or is that already taken?

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 20:03 | 1178802 Long-John-Silver
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Gold and Silver continue trending up. Gold=$1,488.10 Silver=$43.26

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 21:25 | 1178921 WestVillageIdiot
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For dinner tonight I had two fillets of American silver eagles lightly broiled with a side of au gratin Krugerrands. 

It was delicious. 

Mon, 04/18/2011 - 01:59 | 1179314 tiger7905
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Norcini comments silver miners are obscenely undervalued due to ratio trade.


Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:06 | 1178671 IdioTsincracY
Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:04 | 1178672 disabledvet
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Nokia, bitchez!  (How do you say that in Portugese?)

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:06 | 1178682 IdioTsincracY
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Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:26 | 1178730 Lord Welligton
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"Nokia, bitchez!"

Same the world over.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 20:08 | 1178803 disabledvet
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"el texto messego."  as in "you go el broko, El Euro Loco."  Now will you marry me Margaret Brennan?  I have no reputation to uphold whatsover--THAT i can promise!

Mon, 04/18/2011 - 00:53 | 1179234 laughing_swordfish
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es "El mesaje de texto"

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 22:26 | 1179017 camoes
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Nokia, putas!

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:13 | 1178700 Rhodin
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With luck, the Euro will be truly Finnish(ed) soon.  Does that give the dollar an extra month, or three?

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 20:07 | 1178806 Long-John-Silver
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About as much time as the second domino in line as someone knocks over the first one.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 21:29 | 1178930 WestVillageIdiot
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What country will claim the yen if Japan becomes uninhabitable? 

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:25 | 1178726 Lord Welligton
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Will The Finnish Vote Dead End Europe's Bailout Bonanza?

I pray to any God that exists that it does.

End the madness now.



Mon, 04/18/2011 - 03:07 | 1179375 Finn
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You can pray to anyone you believe in, but as for us, we voted for the change. The Common Finns became immediate major party. This has not happened since 1945. 

BTW, the party should not be called "True Finns" as many publications put it, it does not give the implications that are in the original word: the common people, necessary co-operation, and self-sacrifice if needed.

Sun, 04/17/2011 - 19:29 | 1178732 digalert
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We'll see... kinda like how the US had that disastrous November democrat house cleaning. Won on promises to end Barama-care, cut the spending, debt, blahblahblah. Now they're saying "well it's not that easy, gonna take time", ya right. Furthermore, as I recall most of america was against TARP, but we got it anyway. No more bailouts.

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