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Will The Great Firewall Of China Prevent Tomorrow's Beijing "Jasmine Revolution"?

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What could possibly be the most important unreported news from the weekend comes out of China, where quietly Internet postings have circulated, calling for disgruntled Chinese to gather on Sunday in public places in 13 major cities to mark the "Jasmine Revolution" spreading through the Middle East. The postings, many of which appeared to have originated on overseas
websites run by exiled Chinese political activists, called for protests
in Beijing, Shanghai, Guangzhou and 10 other major Chinese cities. And while there has been some speculation this latest "social network" protest is nothing more than performance art, the Chinese authorities sure are taking it seriously: "The calls have apparently led the Chinese government to censor
postings containing the word "jasmine" in an attempt to quell any
potential unrest
. "We welcome... laid off workers and victims of
forced evictions to participate in demonstrations, shout slogans and
seek freedom, democracy and political reform to end 'one party rule',"
one posting said." Just like surging prices (which however are either forcefully adjusted to not be reflected or eliminated entirely from the data stream) caused virtually all prior Chinese social revolts, will they succeed again? And more importantly, will China demonstrate to the US that the only way to prevent a 'twitter revolution' is to wrest control of the internet entirely? If so, how many days before Big Brother is actively scouring through every single 100Base TX for daily keywords of choice with HBGary patiently waiting in the corridors to unleash a destructive DDOS at a moment's notice?

From the AFP:

Protesters were urged to shout slogans including "we want food to eat," "we want work," we want housing," "we want justice," "long live freedom," and "long live democracy."

Chinese authorities have sought to restrict media reports on the recent political turmoil that began in Tunisia as the "Jasmine Revolution" and spread to Egypt and throughout the Middle East.

Unemployment and rising prices have been key factors linked to the unrest that has also spread to Bahrain, Yemen, Algeria and Libya.

Searches Sunday for "jasmine" on China's Twitter-like micro-blog Weibo ended without results, while messages on the popular Baidu search engine said that due to laws and regulations such results were unavailable.

Some Chinese Internet search pages listed "jasmine" postings but links to them were blocked.

The Chinese government has expended tremendous resources to police the Internet and block anti-government postings and other politically sensitive material with a system known as the "Great Firewall of China."

In a speech given Saturday, Chinese President Hu Jintao acknowledged growing social unrest and urged the ruling Communist Party to better safeguard stability while also ordering strengthened controls over "virtual society" or the Internet.

The stunning call for insurrection has caught so many off guard, some believe this is just some high powered attempt at artistic expression:

Activists seemed not to know what to make of the call to protest, even as they passed it on. They said they were unaware of any known group being involved in the request for citizens to gather in 13 cities and shout, "We want food, we want work, we want housing, we want fairness."

Some even wondered whether the call was "performance art" instead of a serious move in the footsteps of recent protests in Egypt, Tunisia, Bahrain, Yemen, Algeria and Libya.

And just as China's ministry of truth is learning from the BLS, so the US department of full disclosure is rapidly doing all it can to take down whole section of the internet when and if it deems that acts of sedition have spread pervasively within US territories. Indeed, China is well ahead of the US here, and the seriousness and rapidity of the response indicates this is most certainly not a drill:

The call to protest was first posted on the U.S.-based Chinese-language website Boxun.com. "Boxun has no way to verify the background of this and did not participate," it said.

The Boxun site was unavailable Saturday, and reported being attacked.

"This is the most serious denial of service attack we have received," it said in a statement. "We believe the attack is related to the Jasmine Revolution proposed on Feb. 20 in China."

In the meantime, despite numerous RRR and interest rate hikes, Chinese prices continue to surge:

The ruling Communist Party is dogged by the threat of social unrest over rising food and housing prices and other issues.

In the latest price increase, the National Development and Reform Commission announced Saturday that gasoline and diesel prices would be raised by 350 yuan ($53) per ton.

Meanwhile, Shanghai became the latest city to place new limits on housing purchases to tamp down soaring home prices. Residents who already own two or more homes in Shanghai would be prohibited from buying more, while outsiders would be limited to one, Xinhua reported.

As reported previously, a roasted Chicken in Shanghai goes for $30.

Keep an eye out on Sino news tomorrow. If Chinese protests commence in earnest, then not even Bernie Bernanke will be able to find many new LPs willing to invest in the ponzi at this late hour...

h/t Matt

 

 

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Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:21 | 979012 stoneman sacked
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Jade Revolution bitchez

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:08 | 979119 Popo
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Let's hope so.   The question is -- how many Chinese are adept at getting around the Great Firewall?

My understanding is that use of encrypted traffic, proxy servers, tunneling IP, etc. is pretty widespread in China.    What the government has done so far is to block the word "Jasmine", which seems almost hilariously inept.  (Let's hope that's a good representation of Chinese traffic filtering skills).

But even if the Government is aggressive enough to block all Internet traffic (which, for the record -- would have massive collateral repercussions economically) it wouldn't stop any revolutionary movement that has critical mass.  Revolutions have happened for centuries without Twitter.

 

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:05 | 979160 reader2010
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I seriously doubt the Chinese have ballz to do it because they already learned a big lesson in 1989.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:28 | 979201 Popo
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What lesson?  The elites stayed elite. Mission accomplished.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:25 | 979232 EscapeKey
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If the alternative is stavation, there really isn't much of a choice.

Also, is the '89 Tiananmen Square incident widely known about in China? It would seem it's the kind of information which ruins the reputation of the alleged kindness of the regime.

It would appear not.

http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20080605-tiananmen-square-china-censorship-media

while the event remains unforgettable to the rest of the world, one of our Observers for China reminds us that the country itself is almost entirely unaware of it ever taking place, as the authorities have extinguished close to all information about it from the internet.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:53 | 979293 malikai
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Bullshit. They know damn well what went down in '89. What you read over here and what they know over there are polar opposites. Just because the government doesn't talk about it or let the papers write about it, does not mean the people don't know about it.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:19 | 979303 EscapeKey
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Well, whether people have passed it from person to person is one thing, but the event is not recorded in Chinese history books, and not taught in school.

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:42 | 979319 malikai
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I remember one political thing most clearly from my first visit to Beijing. I was at Tienamen Sq. with my wife who is from Beijing during the flag lowering at dusk. There were hundreds of students there watching it as well as loads of tourists.

The flag was lowered by some lucky unit of the PLA who get to do this thing every day. They marched into the square wearing their best linen, saluted the flag, did some ceremonial business, and finally took the flag down, did some more ceremonial business, and marched away with it.

All the while, behind them were about 50 students, mocking their every move. Everything they did, the students did. It was quite ballsy actually. I had a good laugh. I couldn't help but wonder what would happen back home if a bunch of kids were mocking the marines or army as they do the flag ceremony in DC. I postulate that it wouldn't be a laugh for the students in the end.

Things are never so clear when you see more than one perspective.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:54 | 979330 dick cheneys ghost
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England to cut military to lowest levels since the 1820's. riots will come here if we dont do the same.

http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:58 | 979333 EscapeKey
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In which year did this take place?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:29 | 979536 malikai
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That was 2009. They still do it today. It seems to be a student's pasttime. Apparently they love to troll.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:29 | 979373 vxpatel
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Lesson - invade Tiber harder, the world cares not...get those natural resources so we can all go shopping at William Sonoma....

 

AMERICAN DREAM....

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:43 | 979394 mikhail kalashnikov
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the average chinese person knows nothing of the tienenman square massacre of 1989.  

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:56 | 979580 thefedisscam
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You are such an IDIOT!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:56 | 979672 mikhail kalashnikov
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why would you make a baseless accusation? have you been to china? i have..and there is no mention of the tianenmen square massacre in any books, and there is no mention of it on the highly controlled chinese web...you sir, are the idiot.

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:09 | 979163 PY-129-20
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I can also tell you that Anonymous is planning to attack the Great Firewall very soon.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:44 | 979322 malikai
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Let us know when Anonymous actually acheives something other than getting their own thrown in jail for ridiculous causes.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:28 | 979257 Oh regional Indian
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Sure revolutions have succeeded without Twitter, except that those were not revolutions based on the existence/availability Twitter/Facebook/Google/Buyyou/Buydo.

This is clearly a "test" event. There are enough net-connected chinese (mostly by Mobile Internet) to know what is going on. Regardless of which CIA operative saw this in some wet dream. In India, during a tense aniversary date last year, they blocked all SMS traffic. So, the govt has tools besides simple internet filtering. Important to knwo that the bulk of Chinese on-line traffic is net-cafe or phones, both easily controlled.

Getting the dragon to rumble will be enough at this point.

When the time comes, the peasants will be con-flagarated, no problem. These guys know their game quite well.

And to wish for a bloody revolution is pathetic, nothign good ever came of them, regardless of what con-voluted, victor written history might tell us.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-about-us/

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:21 | 979275 Oh regional Indian
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Try this for size...


And also from the Freedom House website: From February 27 to March 13 [2010], Freedom House hosted 11 bloggers from the Middle East and North Africa for a two-week Advanced New Media Study Tour in Washington, D.C.”

In 2010, Soros’ Open Society Institute funded a grant called ‘Can It Tweet its way to Democracy? The promise of Participatory Media in Africa’ described on the OSI website as “. . . . Ethiopia and Egypt have been the current focus of the research programme; the OSI funding will allow the project to be expanded to include: Uganda, Zimbabwe, Tunisia, Eritrea and Rwanda. . . . it is hoped that it will contribute to the understanding of the new media in Africa and its links to democratization.  It is also intended that the study will be used as a source material for future research.”

Facebook and Twitter were the primary means of organizing the revolution in Egypt:  “Activists from Egypt’s Kifaya (Enough) movement – a coalition of government opponents – and the 6th of April Youth Movement organized the protests on the Facebook and Twitter . . . .” (Voice of America)

In the Foreign Policy Journal, Dr. D.K. Bolton (Jan 19 2011) writes, “NED [National Endowment for Democracy] and Soros work in tandem, targeting the same regimes and using the same methods. . . . At least ten of the twenty-two directors of NED are also members of the plutocratic think tank, the Council on Foreign Relations . . . .” (The Council of Foreign Relations is the American sister of the Rothschild’s Royal Institute of International Affairs in Britain: both are instruments of plutocratic control hiding in plain sight.

The following is a partial list of grants from the NED website for 2009 (the latest year available):

In Tunisia the focus was on training youth activists:

“Al-Jahedh Forum for Free Thought $131,000 To strengthen the capacity and build a democratic culture among Tunisian youth activists.

“Mohamed Ali Center for Research, Studies and Training $33,500 To train a core group of Tunisian youth activists on leadership and organizational skills to encourage their involvement in public life.  [MACRST] will conduct a four-day intensive training of trainers program for a core group of 10 young Tunisian civic activists on leadership and organizational skills; train 50 male and female activists aged 20 to 40 on leadership and empowered decision-making; and work with the trained activists through 50 on-site visits to their respective organizations.

 

for the rest....

http://www.puppet99.com/?p=126

 

Pretty Eye-popping....

 

ORI

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:02 | 979297 reader2010
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Follow the money.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:27 | 979310 Oh regional Indian
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Exactly.

ORI

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:44 | 979486 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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""Follow the money.""

 

It is headed to Canada's four Western Provinces....w/ a plethora of natural resources and only 12.5 million citizens...that is correct...only 12.5 million cities...Led by gateway city Vancouver BC...

http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/01/why-vancouver-bc-is-worlds-safe-haven.html

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:20 | 979718 reader2010
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But that's a part of the NAU.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:53 | 979292 velobabe
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"Jasmine"

ain't in this articles' search words or linked header words. nice job, TD†

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:31 | 979376 topcallingtroll
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Smart. Get the word out to china. Maybe this site isnt all about america bashing.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:17 | 979606 G-R-U-N-T
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Just like Libya's Moammar Gadhafi, if China's Politburo Standing Committee of the Communist Party cannot suppress communications their doomed!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:13 | 979167 PY-129-20
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Kuwait is also on the list of protests - small numbers so far. There was a clash between police and demonstrators. Some claim that two people were killed. I cannot confirm that. Might be propaganda stuff. They demand citizenship.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 06:32 | 979197 Michael
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The Chinese revolution will be the Ben Bernank's greatest accomplishment.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:36 | 979258 BorisTheBlade
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He'll be celebrating on the ruines, before China goes into revolutionary mode, a lot of weaker links will break.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:36 | 979259 BorisTheBlade
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double

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:46 | 979403 mikhail kalashnikov
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did'nt the kuwaiti gubmint give to all natural born kuwaiti residents the equivalent of 3500.00USD and guarantee stable food prices for the next 16 months?

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:19 | 979526 bankonzhongguo
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Chinese food inflation is the only weapon the West has in China.  Regrettably the end run may simply to get the CYN de-pegged from the USD and then add it to the basket of currencies for the XDR.  The yuan is the linchpin to the global reserve currency, but it can't happen politically with an insular Chinese economy.  So far I don't see people starving in China, so the whole jasmine thing is likely an id-creature from the CFR hive.  The test is Chinese export production.  If that gets disrupted then maybe you have something.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 16:18 | 979941 macholatte
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China rounds up 100 activists to rapidly quash pro-democracy 'Jasmine Revolution' organised online

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358834/China-quashes-pro-democracy-Jasmine-Revolution-force.html#ixzz1EX4LLjRq

 

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:27 | 979019 putbuyer
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What will be the catalyst for the market crash. I just wanna know. So much unrest, and yet the POMO junkies keep it going.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVQCpI4GbKQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXqqw-gQqzo&feature=related

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:03 | 979116 plocequ1
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Im sorry to say that the market is never going down.Marketwatch just confirmed

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-stock-market-looks-to-maintain-uptre...

Bad news is nothing but Bear bait.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:08 | 979124 Popo
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That's what they said in 1999 also...  and the few "alternative" viewpoints which laughed at them were marginalized...

http://www.slate.com/id/22094/

 

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:14 | 979132 plocequ1
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Things are different. The fed is keeping up the market and the " Taxpayer" is paying for it. Its not that hard to figure out..

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:27 | 979198 bingaling
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I think you are right . The market will not go down ,but I assure you the returns will not keep pace with inflation .

A dollar crash is the more likely candidate .

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:32 | 979205 Popo
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A dollar crash will be accompanied by soaring gasoline prices, food prices a 4x-10x where they are now, massive political instability at home and abroad,   intense disruptions of the global supply chain (due to oil, political instability and cataclysmic inflationary pressures), etc.

...which may very well all come to pass... but to suggest that the market will remain impervious to all of that is a stretch. 

When TSHTF there will be no safe place to hide -- including equity markets.

 

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 06:24 | 979234 EscapeKey
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Exactly. The DJIA will keep rising, but only in nominal terms.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:44 | 979260 Zero Govt
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there's nothing like "it can only ever go up" true  believers to bring on an almighty awakening!!

the more here that believe this nonsense, and ignore the evidence Fed funny money is nowhere to be seen (v low volumes as the market grinds up), the more sane I feel amongst the giddy euphoria. I set my Bear-Trap a few weeks ago (i'm always early on calling a trend) but more confident than ever a Bear is about to spring

Bear-Trap Bitchez 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:58 | 979265 bingaling
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Nowhere to be seen ? Have you seen commodity prices ?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:44 | 979276 EscapeKey
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I'm not saying you're wrong with regards to your bear trap call, but stock markets absolutely can carry on upwards in nominal terms: 

http://nowandfutures.com/us_weimar.html

Weimer Republic, stock market performance (nominal figures):

97 (1919), 166 (jan 1920), 278 (jan 21), 731 (dec 1921), 743 (jan 1922), 8,981 (dec 1922), 21,400 (jan 1923), 26,890,000 (nov 1923, peak)

chart here - http://nowandfutures.com/images/weimar_stocks.png

Keep in mind the reasons for Weimar hyperinflation carrying on for as long as it did - it was a) politically the easiest option to simply print, the powers that be largely had b) a self-interest in carrying on with the inflationary scheme, and they realised c) stopping the hyperinflation would lead to an explosion in unemployment. These same factors prevailed during the Argentinian '89 hyperinflation, and the same factors exist in todays environment.

Furthermore, this is really interesting:

http://nowandfutures.com/images/WeimarHouseholdExpenditures1912_1923.png

Food went from 30% to 90% (though only the final Q) of expenditures, while rent went from 30% to 0.2%. In other words, in real terms if this experience is repeated, presumably we should expect housing to collapse.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:30 | 979308 Zero Govt
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yes Bingaling, i've not only 'seen' commodity prices i'm 'in' commodities, or PM's to be more accurate and enjoying the ride (likely its last, a top).

and yes Escapekey the Weimar Rep had forever rising stock markets etc until they didn't. But this is not a Weimar zone because the counterfeit money is not hitting the street, it's being siphoned to the Fed bum-chum bwankers to bailout their leaking hulls, not to Joe Public where i'd agree it would inflate retail products etc.

In fact we've already had the inflation, 25 years of it to be precise, from the 30/1 leverage of credit by retail banks right across the consumer economy. The next trend will be for deflation of that 25 year inflationary trend. Inflation is peeking now, we're about to deflate, probably hyper-deflate like you wouldn't believe! 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:15 | 979348 bingaling
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Your opinion is deflation/hyperdeflation, mine hyperinflation. No matter which side of the fence we are on, we can both agree that whoever is right, it is a moot point because each outcome is disastrous . I am not a person who is euphoric over the myth that the market has gone up ,it hasn't at all when compared to real inflation in a long time.

We can also probably agree on what has gotten us here where we are debating two very bad conclusions ,which is bad CB ,gov't policies and corporatism . That said let's move on to trolls who deserve to get their asses kicked here because for the most part we are on the same page .

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:53 | 979328 malikai
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That timeline is a great reference. I note how they say they do not expect anything like Wiemar to occur in the US. I happen to agree. I could forsee a situation similar to Rollover 1981 if the arab states have proper revolutions. Such a situation would be a perfect catalyst to complete the US Police state/NWO agenda. Of course, the wildcard in that scenario is the multitude of US military bases all over the Arab countries.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:42 | 979020 palmereldritch
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Burning Down the Politburo!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNnAvTTaJjM

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:24 | 979533 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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""Burning Down the Politburo!""

Why War is the Continuation of Politics....

http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/02/why-war-is-merely-continuation-of.html

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:35 | 979031 suteibu
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That chicken example is misleading.  Not to say that the average Chinese is not suffering, but......

 

by suteibu
on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 23:27
#978892

 

Fields, with a  mostly Western and Shanghai-elite customer base, is hardly representative of food prices for the other 1.3 billion Chinese who's weekly food budget, even in Shanghai, means they would only know about Fields from nearly getting run over by one of their delivery trucks.

 

by RagnarDanneskjold
on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 23:26
#978922

 

Wow. A western chicken in Shanghai is expensive. So is everything Western because the demand comes from a small amount of wealthy expats and local Chinese —although the website is in English, so they are not even selling to Chinese! I'm sure you can walk into a Whole Foods in the U.S. and find a free range/organic chicken for a similarly inflated price.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:23 | 979140 RagnarDanneskjold
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I found an online circular for a supermarket in Beijing.

On this page, you can see cooked chickens are about 22 rmb/lb, or about $3. The chicken in the ad above is over 2kg, so it would be about $12 at this market. Also, on the left hand side, second line from bottom, is half a chicken, uncooked, for less than $1 per lb. Bacon is about $1.40 per pound (?????

http://www.huapuhypermarket.com.cn/upload/images/20112/2011218934382798017.jpg

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:09 | 979434 Gordon Freeman
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Whoa--I'm no vegan, but that's a little intense!  They likes their meat products, evidently...

Thanks for posting that--very interesting

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:27 | 979143 The Real Fake E...
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agreed, you can get chicken delivered here for considerably less from take out places.  Heck, you can go to nice dining establishments and get a whole chicken with veggies, potatoes etc for less than that.  i would agree that the average chinese local is feeling the pinch though, everyone is. 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:05 | 979159 RagnarDanneskjold
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Chinese are feeling the pinch, but they are still eating. In the Middle East, they aren't feeling a pinch. In Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere, they are facing hunger. If they're lucky, they're watching their disposable income collapse towards zero.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:35 | 979032 flaunt
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Governments make me violently ill.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:51 | 979263 Zero Govt
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know how you feel, crap isn't it!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:41 | 979040 thefatasswilly
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"Long live democracy" holy shit, those slant eyes are seriously fucking idiots. And round eyes actually think they're smart?! Morons, imbeciles, dimwits, true faithful believers in democracy all around. Pathetic.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:49 | 979050 StychoKiller
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I seem to recall that you are of Asian extraction, guess you're NOT in favor of democratic ideals.  News Flash:  Mao Tse Tung is dead (for quite some time now!)

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:02 | 979064 thefatasswilly
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Mao was not the only person who was against democracy, idiot.

Educate yourself and read "Notes on Democracy," written by an American. Also, consider the fact that democracy has led to our current corporate fascism.

Obviously, you are a faithful believer in democracy. Dimwit.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:35 | 979641 malikai
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"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

Bejamin Franklin

A somewhat well known but poorly understood roundeye.

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:15 | 979698 thefatasswilly
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"The fact is that liberty, in any true sense, is a concept that lies quite beyond the reach of the inferior man's mind. He can imagine and even esteem, in his way, certain false forms of liberty - for example, the right to choose between two political mountebanks, and to yell for the more obviously dishonest - but the reality is incomprehensible to him. And no wonder, for genuine liberty demands of its votaries a quality he lacks completely, and that is courage. The man who loves it must be willing to fight for it; blood, said Jefferson, is its natural manure. More, he must be able to endure it - an even more arduous business. Liberty means self-reliance, it means resolution, it means enterprise, it means the capacity to do without. The free man is one who has won a small and precarious territory from the great mob of his inferiors, and is prepared and ready to defend it and make it support him. All around him are enemies, and where he stands there is no friend. He has made of himself a sort of god in his little world, and he must face the responsibilities of a god, and the dreadful loneliness. Has Homo boobiens any talent for this magnificent self-reliance? He has the same talent for it that he has for writing symphonies in the manner of Ludwig van Beethoven, no less and no more. That is to say, he has no talent whatsoever, nor even any understanding that such a talent exists. Liberty is unfathomable to him. He can no more comprehend it than he can comprehend honour. What he mistakes for it, nine times out of ten, is simply the banal right to empty hallelujahs upon his oppressors. He is an ox whose last proud, defiant gesture is to lick the butcher behind the ear."

H. L. Mencken.

A poorly known and poorly understood roundeye.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 23:12 | 980660 Red Neck Repugnicant
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XengXang

Your quote from Mencken reminds me of a great Chinese gentleman named "the Donger" who exemplified mankind's inability to handle liberty. Often times, the Donger would choose cheap carnal pleasures over the need for food and nourishment - quite a u-turn from his Chinese culture of self-awareness, self-reliance and spiritual harmony. He was no different than a red dragon who, when given the freedom to tap a lever of cocaine or egg rolls, chooses the former to the point of death. Yin and Yang were replaced with Yang and more Yang, so to speak. 

The Donger's infamous proclamation, "no more yankee my wankee, the Donger need food!" was essentially an existential cry for help, as he was unable to manage the liberty and freedom granted to him by his new American lifestyle.  Given unlimited liberty and the option to pursue hedonistic pleasures, he wantonly chose personal destruction over honor and self-reliance.  This journey culminates with him lying helplessly face down with his American masters (symbolizing the gods of retribution) mocking and taunting him.  

Red Dragon say, "everything moderation, including liberty."

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tktNZpUTMoQ

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:04 | 979066 palmereldritch
Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:46 | 979108 snowball777
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So you're a believer in what?

Feudalism?

Anarcho-syndicalism?

?!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:56 | 979113 thefatasswilly
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I believe that democracy fucking sucks.

I don't know what the best form of government is, though. Anyone who believes that he or she knows is definitely stupid and arrogant.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:36 | 979147 flaunt
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That's cause the whole idea of good government is a fraud.  There is no such thing.  Never has been and never will be.  Time to dispense with fairytales and drag ourselves out of the dark ages.  It's seriously becoming pathetic.  10,000 years of this shit is far too much.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:42 | 979150 thefatasswilly
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No shit. The whole point of organized criminal syndicates such as government and religion is to exert control over and instill fear into the dumbass majority.

I don't know if this is undesirable, though. Imagine a world in which men live without fear. A world in which all men organize as packs of wolves, instead of being herded around as docile sheep.

Indeed, this world once existed: before what we call civilization. Without oppression, we would have chaos and eternal war.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:47 | 979155 flaunt
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LOL right... because what we have now is peace and harmony.  What planet are you living on and could I come for a visit?  Seriously, we are in a constant state of fear and panic and war and depravity which is pretty much the definition of chaos.  You can't even stick your god damned hard-earned cash under your mattress because you'll wake up one day and find it doesn't even buy you a loaf of bread.  We're all forced to take huge risks with our money which leads to excessive sometimes paralyzing fear and greed.  We're forced to finance wars we don't believe in, prisons that we hope we never end up in, and schools that dis-educted the children.  If this is what you consider "civilization" then I'll gladly take the alternative!

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:06 | 979161 thefatasswilly
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Did I say that we have peace and harmony right now?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:23 | 979173 flaunt
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You said without the state we would have chaos and eternal war, thus implying that with the state we have neither, which is obviously and empircally false.   If you meant something else then explain.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:29 | 979176 thefatasswilly
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I didn't imply anything of the sort. You Americans are really starting to piss me off with your black/white mentality.

For example, you think in terms of "cold" and "hot," when these two words are actually highly inaccurate ways of conveying degrees of temperature.

Just because government is shitty, doesn't mean lack of government is better.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:51 | 979183 flaunt
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Well I asked you to explain to my puny American brain what the hell you meant.  If government = shit then I fail to see how lack of government would not be a step in the right direction.  Oh wait, there I go with my equations again trying to make sense of your rhetoric.

Americans are experts in one thing... Ranges of government control.  Our history ranges from practically no government with the Articles of Confederation all the way through the present-day police state.  The problem with you theorists is that you claim some degree of government is acceptable.  As though it's actually possible to freeze government at a certain size and scope and keep it pure.  Reality dictates that the smaller a government starts the bigger and more corrupt it ends up because freedom breeds prosperity which feeds the beast and allows it to become a monster.  It's kind of like the marxists who think that there's nothing wrong with their theory only that the right person or group of people haven't implemented it.  Complete insanity.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:00 | 979186 thefatasswilly
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No, there you go with your white/black mode of thought again. You obviously cannot see that there are varying degrees of shittiness, and just because government sucks does NOT necessarily mean that no government is better. You fail at logic. Again.

Good job quoting a youtube video, by the way. I saw it, too. Please come up with something original.

You call me a theorist, then go on and on about how there should be no government. LOL. There will always be men looking to exploit others. Take your own advice, and take a look at reality.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:19 | 979194 flaunt
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Useless.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:24 | 979269 Zero Govt
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thefatswilly

Spot on there will always be men (parasites, lazy cheaters, Masons) that want to exploit societies wealth. That is precisely what Govt is organised to do. A central structure, paid for entirely by the host, for the parasites to use and abuse as history has proved beyond all reasonable doubt

Remove Govt and you remove the parasites weapon of choice, their favourite prop to be a parasite, a tape-worm in societies belly. What are they left with?

A desperate structure (free society), like the internet, with millions of targets to try to exploit, rather than just one big fat easy target like Govt. Like the structure of the internet it's literally impossible (time and money) to fuk everyone over in a free society as the Govt structure is designed to do (give us your money or jail).

Govt is the enemy within, the structural flaw, the systemic risk, the clubhouse for parasites and everything we see today proves that point over and over again 

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:22 | 979617 Richard Head
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Ashamed to say I wasted my time reading this bickering.  You can't backpedal from this, fatass.  Your post above clearly implies we need some form of oppression in order to avoid "chaos and eternal war."  The lack of precision you attribute to others is in your own mind, or in your own writing.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:55 | 979668 thefatasswilly
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Lack of precision? I already stated that without oppression, men would live without fear, and would organize themselves as packs of wolves. All men would seek to oppress and dominate; thus, eternal warfare and chaos as groups of men fight with other groups for power and dominance.

Government, aka oppression, keeps men in fear and prevents this. Was I not clear about this?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:23 | 979531 Max Hunter
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I believe that democracy fucking sucks.

I don't know what the best form of government is, though. Anyone who believes that he or she knows is definitely stupid and arrogant.

Excellent comment.. I agree that Democracy is another way for the elite to rule. Just as important, is it so hard to conceive that we have yet to know or understand a viable and fair way to be governed?  I do not think we have even come close to figuring out the way we should be governed. And if the number of junks you received for your comment is any indication, I fear it will be quite some time before we do figure it all out.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:18 | 979609 tmosley
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Might have a look at this one:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xeer

In most democratic societies, we have a separation of church and state.  Xeer goes further, and demands a separation of church, state, and law.  Without control over law, governments are thus reduced to an absolute minimum, a form of functional anarchy that has existed for centuries now.

Violence in such a society has tended to stem from outsiders attempting to impose a central government on those who simply DON'T WANT ONE.  An analogous idea would be for a large, powerful nation attempting to impose a state religion on the population of a democratic nation.  Such attempts are destined to end in bloodshed, as you impose massive force where none had existed before then.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:03 | 979684 thefatasswilly
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The problem is . . . superior force always trumps lack of force, as evidenced by what has occured in Africa over the past few centuries. I'm sure you, as a round eye, know this well.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:03 | 979122 Terminus C
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"Who is your lord?"

"We don't have a lord..."

"No lord?"

"Look, I tried to tell you.  We are an anarcho-sydicalist commune where supreme executive power is derived by a mandate from the masses."

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:46 | 979149 thefatasswilly
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Americans exhibit one of the most amusing results of democracy: you all believe yourselves to be part of "the masses." Unclean, unintelligent, uneducated.

Democracy, striving for its goal of universal equality, and being unable to bring the inferior man up to the level of the superior man, inevitably forces the superior man down into the nether regions.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:56 | 979331 Confused
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I don't mind reading what you have to say, however, could you please stop with the bashing of Americans. Its beneath you intellectually.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:38 | 979387 bingaling
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+ infinity . Enough with the American bashing already ,there is less than 1% of the worlds population controlling the majority of us ,we are all equal idiots . Pointing fingers at one another only strengthens that less than 1%.

It is obvious throughout history that power is the square root of money . Break up that power and divide it equally empowering individuals instead of leaders would make the world a much better place .

 

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:11 | 979517 snowball777
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Because whatever culture happened to spawn this egotista has accomplished anything like the atomic bomb, spaceflight, a successful revolution, the hoover dam, etc ad nauseam. I'm an American and much of his angst resonates with me as well, but mine isn't from democracy but rather a failure to exercise the rights granted therein.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:57 | 979673 thefatasswilly
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I'm quoting Mencken, an American. I'm honoring Americans, not bashing them.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:19 | 979713 Confused
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This "round eye" doesn't care that you are quoting an American. And I'm not disagreeing with all of your ideas. I just think that you might be perpetuating the divide among people. Which would appear to be beneath you. Unless I'm giving you too much credit. Which I doubt. 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:28 | 979735 thefatasswilly
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The divide amongst people has already been perpetuated, with or without my help. Racism is eternal, and will never go away. In addition to this, Chinese are culturally racist. Because of this, by telling me to stop being racist, you are in fact being racist yourself.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 17:18 | 980038 bingaling
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You seem to be a very intelligent man who could probably do the world a lot of good if you put your mind to it but I think you may have to look at the world from another angle . From where you are standing now it seems you would only hurt people .

Mon, 02/21/2011 - 05:32 | 981078 Confused
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Quite right sir, it has been perpetrated, long before you or I had the pleasure of walking the earth. However, I feel it is my duty to point out to you that you do in fact have an effect on the world at large. Even if its a small one. So the excuse that "Racism is eternal and will never go away," or that the "Chinese are culturally racist," is a poor excuse for your cro-magnon style behavior. As I have pointed out, it is beneath your intelligence and hinders your ability to rise above trivial topics ancillary to the real problems.

 

But perhaps I am giving you too much credit? 

 

Mon, 02/21/2011 - 22:25 | 983780 thefatasswilly
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Why is racism bad?

No one seems to be able to give me an answer. Do you know what the Roman Empire, American Empire, and Chinese Empires had in common?

Do you know what almost every empire has in common? Liberalism is making idiots out of Americans, indeed.

Tue, 02/22/2011 - 00:32 | 984295 New_Meat
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please ask Michelle on O's show.  I'm sure that she could edimucate you.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:14 | 979436 Gordon Freeman
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You are one angry little peanut...

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:46 | 979047 dick cheneys ghost
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wisconsin protest now at 70,000. peaceful for now.....

 

http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:53 | 979111 snowball777
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Among the Walker supporters was "Joe the Plumber", real name Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, who figured in the 2008 Republican presidential campaign. His message was: "Unions don't deserve anything, you don't deserve anything, you work for it yourself!"

 

WTF would this human buttcheek know about working for it?

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15072.html

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:16 | 979169 PY-129-20
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Wurzelbacher...lmao...what a name. Almost as bad as Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:46 | 979048 Assetman
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Tyler--

Wake me up when we get to Project Mayhem.

Yawn.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:28 | 979141 Crab Cake
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Wake me up when you're actually part of it. Wallflower much?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:44 | 979261 Oh regional Indian
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Crab, good observation. Revolution far away is so easy to talk about, ridicule etc. In your face is a whole other thing. I've seen a hindu-muslim riot in Bangalore, one of th eworst in history and it is a terrible thing, terrible. Humans go nuts. See Rwanada as another awful example. Examples abound.

Everyone who wishes for a flame-up is deluded and thought-less. 

It's reallyjust time to step away and let the beast starve. Fight him? He's got bigger guns and less conscience.

ORI

http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-about-us/

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 23:16 | 980663 Assetman
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Bullshit, Carb Cake.  You seem to talk a whole lot on here.  And I'll be the first to admit you say a whole lot of things that make a whole lot of sense.  Most of the time.

Perhaps there's a very good chance I'm not wanting revolution.  Ya know, when something like simple comprehensive reform will do. 

But then again, I perhaps may be preparing for  rthose other alternatives rather than just talking about it on the Interwebs.

What are YOU doing about it, wallflower?  Do YOU believe in a Project Mayhem?

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:52 | 979054 elagano
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I think that HBGary Federal story is not getting enough coverage at ZH:

 

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-UPDATED:-The-HB-Gary-Em...

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:02 | 979063 disabledvet
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does that include forcing us to be interested and to give a phuck, tho?  As Bill Cosby famously said about cocaine "sure it enhances who you are, but what if you're an asshole?"

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:09 | 979345 Confused
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I'm going to guess your disability isn't a physical one. 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:07 | 979070 palmereldritch
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Ars Technica has excellent coverage on this story without the Kos factor

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:09 | 979342 Confused
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Agreed. An important topic, despite some of the concerns over WL legitimacy. 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:06 | 979068 nathandegraaf
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"When you declare war on a country's money, you declare war on its poor."

--Something I'm pretty sure someone smart said

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:30 | 979092 dumpster
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Chinese! I'm sure you can walk into a Whole Foods in the U.S. and find a free range/organic chicken for a similarly inflated price.

 

wrong-o   free range whole chickens sell for $8.00  American smack-aroes  at whole foods ,, in the Seattle area.. pcc will get the price at $7.00. 

a good loaf of real bread will set you back 4.50 -5.00 bucks

dozen eggs free range organic large 4.75,

hot house organic tomatoes 5.25 lb.

pears 1.75 lb...  crisp organic apple 2.25 lb

 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:35 | 979099 snowball777
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how much to raise the chickens and wheat yourself, mill it, and bake your own bread?

you can get great deals at apple orchards that use organic methods, but haven't bothered with the certification because they couldn't give a rat's ass about attracting yuppies.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:48 | 979109 dumpster
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who knows what the real cost would be

 

amortize the land , the coops the dead chickens the feed , the wheat .. opportunity costs ,  

the cost is no worry here.   sure run to the great apple orchards in eastern washington  ,, 4.00 gas ,, which by the way is the cheapest part of car ownership .

division of labor love it lol

you do the dirty work ,, ill pay you to supply the grub .

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:00 | 979118 snowball777
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I'd keep chickens for the eggs (got a big yard), buy the flour and bake my own, and buy a mess of apples on each pass for myself and friends.

How many people really eat already-roasted chickens in China?! Surely they're just gouging the gaijin executives.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 16:09 | 979930 malikai
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Yup. $30 will probably buy one person a seat in a Chicago, NYC, or SF hot pot restauraunt. In China $30 will pay for hot pot for a whole family. The chicken above is entirely marketed towards foreigners or rich Chinese who want to celebrate their kid's mastery of Euler's Formula.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:29 | 979312 creviceCaress
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bakatcha snowball.....the cost(if done right) to procure yer own chk/eggs and bread is miniscule, most people are too lazy and wanna pay up for it or dont think they'll have the time.  the "organic" movement is/has been co-opted into.......scratch that, it hasnt been co-opted, its been capitalist-ized.......more and more stories of people going to the nearest produce warehouse, packing up the truck, taking it to the "local farmers market" and getting a 100+% markup on shit from china sold as local organic.  i love it, another example of natural selection.....know for yourself, dont trust the "label".....  organic is great, but buying it because it says it dont pass anymore, you hafta know where its coming from, e.g., down the road at THIS/THAT farm that youve been to or know about another way. 

 

Hole foods, wild harvest, trader Ho.......theyre in bed with M------- now, they need some project mayhem thrown at them.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:31 | 979094 snowball777
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A good friend who's wife is from Shanghai was easily able to SSH tunnel through said "Great" firewall and access his boxen in Europe with no problems.

Just because it ain't showing up on their Google doesn't mean that they aren't reading this right now.

In China, internet searches YOU.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:42 | 979392 topcallingtroll
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+ 100 for making me lol.

I love all the variations of the jokes of the russian people against their communist masters. This twist never grows old!!!!. I think one of tje originals is you dont spend rubles. Rubles spend you!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 02:33 | 979096 ExploitTheMarket
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"If and when market players turn their collective attention to one of several events, or triggers, a meaningful correction in price trends will occur. Will it be" http://exploitthemarket.com/blog/collective-attention-trend-changes/

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:05 | 979125 Kiwi Pete
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Hey I just blasted off a dozen emails to spammers from China asking them if the email's been blocked because it mentions the word Jasmine. I mean I just asked a few times if the words 'Jasmine Revolution' would raise any flags to the authorities. I doubt it will. Wouldn't want those guys to get in trouble!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:44 | 979152 snowball777
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You, sir, get a tip of the hat. Well-played.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:14 | 979139 Crab Cake
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The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire; we don't give a shit let the motherfucker burn.

I'm doing what I can to bring this bitch down. Buying silver coins, and stocking provisions. Defaulting the mortgage this month on my way to a free house if they can't cough the note or as many free months as I can get after consulting w/ attorney; wife's finally onboard. Was "sick" last week as much as possible, in honor of globe rev. Tax strike still out, for the time being, as my son doesn't need a convict for a Dad.

What are you doing? Get off your ass and look lively, assholes and elbows; lets go.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:46 | 979399 topcallingtroll
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Come back in a couple of years and let us know how far that got ya! You sound like a typical SS disability applicant who was turned down cuz he really aint disabled. Upset at your rejection letter? Be honest.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:33 | 979146 vast-dom
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i am amazed that the dow is up so much. if chicken at $30 in china ain't an indication that a crash is immanent i don't know what is......

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:48 | 979180 ivars
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Chinese will solve it by putting the middle class to camps. There will be nothing jasmine in China. They will revert to old ways, with Internet or without. The only thing we can do is hedge against China going politically 35 years back.

Nothing nice will come out of China communist party starting to feel threatened. The only logical result is an internal coup in the Party that will eliminate capitalism in China from the equation, start accelerate military buildup and use forced labor of former middle class and owners and peasant labour to feed the military and industry working for it. 

There is no way China CP will democratize or allow to democratize the country more than they had. Some within the Party leadership may still try it, but, as it will become obvious that it leads to the death of the Party rule ( like in the USSR) and dissolution of the Empire ( like in the USSR) , the hard liners with the support of poor ( who are still 900 millions or so) will crack it ruthlessly, starting, as usual in communist countries, FROM THE TOP. Public trials of revisionists who will publicly denounce their miguided attempts to destroy Communist China.

 

 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:50 | 979181 Paul Bogdanich
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It is to laugh.  Leader Hu and Chairman Wen have tremendous popular support.  You mistake the grumbling of the elite for the will of the people.  A fatal mistake in China.  Best of luck to you.  You are going to need it.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:37 | 979643 thefedisscam
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+1000

Finally see a post that told what is going on in China! 95% of Chinese could NOT care LESS about any so-called "revolution". ONLY the people in the West who knows NOTHING about China thought hundreds of millions of Chinese want to go on to the street protesting. What a misjudgement about 23% of the world population!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:44 | 979765 malikai
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+me too

I don't see anything more out of this than a bunch of people in the west frenzying over nothing. It might make for some better nightly news than reporting on the domestic inflation problem, potential revolution in bahrain, algiers, saudi, etc however.

"Watch what happens over there." (while I take your wallet, wife's wallet, children's future)

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:06 | 979188 falak pema
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The Dow represents the expectations of corporate america on a global basis. Now the NYSE is part of a bigger global machine with Deutch Borse sauce. Get the picture? They couldn't give a rat's ass if the US consumer disappears from the radar for ten years. He's history as far as Corporate USA is concerned. Their new markets are elsewhere. All they want is Benbernankification QE-forever to keep moving so that they can sell high tech gimmicks to a bemused US dying middle class, thinking it's still the land of milk n honey, Pornutopia and Sarah Palin sauce land, Steve Job's Shangrila. When that Ponzi exercise comes to its logical conclusion, Corporate America will be singing 'Sieg Heil' to Germany-Turkey-India-China-Brazil-Korea axis. Cranking up the new markets of Africa and Asia for the next capitalistic big Surge economy. Whatever that implies in terms of global investment and corporate milking. The US consumer market by then will be diluted history. Period. We'll be in 2020 and you'll all be learning chinese or portuguese.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:27 | 979368 topcallingtroll
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Gosh the america haters are really hoping to watch americans suffer. Seems they can hardly wait.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:59 | 979675 SilverRhino
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They sure are.   The world is going to be an "interesting" place after the Pax Americana ends.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:48 | 979217 New World Chaos
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Black Swan:  China dumps treasuries for rice to buy off its people, which forces de-peg.  News of de-peg whacks dollar.  Other rulers realize that the first one to dump treasuries and buy food is most likely to keep his head.  Stampede ensues.  Ben has to print $400T to avoid interest rate derivatives blowup.  He ends up swinging from a lamp-post, mouth stuffed with million-dollar bills. Bwahahahah!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 06:08 | 979224 reader2010
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here are the latest pix from Beijing

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59731751@N03/

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 06:16 | 979229 RemiG2010
Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:24 | 979365 Dapper Dan
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Thank you for the link RemiG, printed and read this morning, will disseminate this week.

I love this quote.

The industrial capital stock grows to a level that requires an enormous input of resources. In the very process of that growth it depletes a large fraction of the resources available. As resource prices rise and mines are depleted, more and more capital must be used for obtaining resources, leaving less to be invested for future growth. Finally investment cannot keep up with depreciation, and the industrial base collapses, taking with it the service and agricultural systems, which have become dependent on industrial inputs.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 06:34 | 979237 Coldfire
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Any unrest coming from China is a sign of positive growing pains, workers exerting their growing influence on the supply/demand equation. There are reasons for Chinese citizens to protest, but on balance more reason to aim at a chance of sharing the fastest growing economic pie in the world. Peoples' aspirations are remarkably similar around the world but economically China is fundamentally different to the Middle East.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:23 | 979361 topcallingtroll
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More people power in china please.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:18 | 979255 falak pema
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Thanks RemiG2010 : great read on Peak-civilization!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:57 | 979784 topcallingtroll
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Hehehe.

Someone is trying to start a junk war between us. Beware the false flag attack!

Mon, 02/21/2011 - 03:46 | 981023 RemiG2010
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If you meant me, then you've got junk in hour head instead of brain!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:05 | 979268 jcrows
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Another PRC Firewall_must be part of their stated "multi prong attack"

 

China Bans Reincarnation Without Government Permission

In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission. According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation." But beyond the irony lies China's true motive: to cut off the influence of the Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual and political leader, and to quell the region's Buddhist religious establishment more than 50 years after China invaded the small Himalayan country. By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/08/22/china-bans-reincarnation-_n_614...

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:20 | 979274 chindit13
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Generally you can get through the "Wall" with a SOCKS proxy such as Your Freedom. I use it every day just to check my email, which is otherwise blocked. Just about every internet cafe has it on the computer, in a file within a file within a file.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:20 | 979358 topcallingtroll
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So when will the chinese authorities stop trying to censor information?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:02 | 979424 DaveyJones
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about the same time the US does

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:53 | 979776 topcallingtroll
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You have found this site. Who is blocking you from reading it or searching interesting key words?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 19:37 | 980345 DaveyJones
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I know, except I keep getting these annoying trolls. you stay up all night, collect your checks and that's the best you can do? You said information. Is the internet its only source?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:26 | 979730 malikai
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I do VPN/Socks to a VPS in the UK. I never thought to just try socks without a VPN. I wouldn't anyway since it's my server and I try to be tidy with security.

I'll add that I was able to get here to zerohedge without a proxy from China. I was quite surprised at that. The government must either not know or not care about this site.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 20:00 | 980408 chindit13
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I do use a VPN, too, with the SOCKS.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:16 | 979302 Instant Karma
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Surprising that younger Chinese haven't demonstrated more against their totalitarian government. It's an Orwellian society where conformity is normalcy.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:45 | 979754 malikai
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It's an Orwellian society where conformity is normalcy.

I suppose there's nothing Orwellian about being fondled and irradiated at the airport. Nothing Orwellian about "reality" TV being the number 1 way to pass the time. Nothing orwellian about false flag attacks staged to impose a militant nationalistic corporatist state where the military-industrial-complex, bankers, and other special interests dictate policy. Naming a law specifically designed to undermine the constitutional rights of the citizenry the Patriot act is not Orwellian at all, either.

I am your junk #1.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:50 | 979772 topcallingtroll
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So does moral equivalency give the chinese a pass?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:30 | 979313 grl
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yes

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:00 | 979334 JonNadler
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I heard there will be protests in New York too.....but it was related to some cable channels not carrying American Idol...sorry

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:26 | 979366 High Plains Drifter
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What would happen if they ran out of pizza dough ?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:45 | 979397 JonNadler
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let them eat cake bitchez!

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