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Will The Great Firewall Of China Prevent Tomorrow's Beijing "Jasmine Revolution"?

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Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:21 | 979012 stoneman sacked
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Jade Revolution bitchez

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:08 | 979119 Popo
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Let's hope so.   The question is -- how many Chinese are adept at getting around the Great Firewall?

My understanding is that use of encrypted traffic, proxy servers, tunneling IP, etc. is pretty widespread in China.    What the government has done so far is to block the word "Jasmine", which seems almost hilariously inept.  (Let's hope that's a good representation of Chinese traffic filtering skills).

But even if the Government is aggressive enough to block all Internet traffic (which, for the record -- would have massive collateral repercussions economically) it wouldn't stop any revolutionary movement that has critical mass.  Revolutions have happened for centuries without Twitter.



Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:05 | 979160 reader2010
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I seriously doubt the Chinese have ballz to do it because they already learned a big lesson in 1989.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:28 | 979201 Popo
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What lesson?  The elites stayed elite. Mission accomplished.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:25 | 979232 EscapeKey
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If the alternative is stavation, there really isn't much of a choice.

Also, is the '89 Tiananmen Square incident widely known about in China? It would seem it's the kind of information which ruins the reputation of the alleged kindness of the regime.

It would appear not.


while the event remains unforgettable to the rest of the world, one of our Observers for China reminds us that the country itself is almost entirely unaware of it ever taking place, as the authorities have extinguished close to all information about it from the internet.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:53 | 979293 malikai
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Bullshit. They know damn well what went down in '89. What you read over here and what they know over there are polar opposites. Just because the government doesn't talk about it or let the papers write about it, does not mean the people don't know about it.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:19 | 979303 EscapeKey
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Well, whether people have passed it from person to person is one thing, but the event is not recorded in Chinese history books, and not taught in school.

Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:42 | 979319 malikai
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I remember one political thing most clearly from my first visit to Beijing. I was at Tienamen Sq. with my wife who is from Beijing during the flag lowering at dusk. There were hundreds of students there watching it as well as loads of tourists.

The flag was lowered by some lucky unit of the PLA who get to do this thing every day. They marched into the square wearing their best linen, saluted the flag, did some ceremonial business, and finally took the flag down, did some more ceremonial business, and marched away with it.

All the while, behind them were about 50 students, mocking their every move. Everything they did, the students did. It was quite ballsy actually. I had a good laugh. I couldn't help but wonder what would happen back home if a bunch of kids were mocking the marines or army as they do the flag ceremony in DC. I postulate that it wouldn't be a laugh for the students in the end.

Things are never so clear when you see more than one perspective.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:54 | 979330 dick cheneys ghost
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England to cut military to lowest levels since the 1820's. riots will come here if we dont do the same.



Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:58 | 979333 EscapeKey
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In which year did this take place?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:29 | 979536 malikai
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That was 2009. They still do it today. It seems to be a student's pasttime. Apparently they love to troll.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:29 | 979373 vxpatel
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Lesson - invade Tiber harder, the world cares not...get those natural resources so we can all go shopping at William Sonoma....



Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:43 | 979394 mikhail kalashnikov
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the average chinese person knows nothing of the tienenman square massacre of 1989.  

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:56 | 979580 thefedisscam
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You are such an IDIOT!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:56 | 979672 mikhail kalashnikov
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why would you make a baseless accusation? have you been to china? i have..and there is no mention of the tianenmen square massacre in any books, and there is no mention of it on the highly controlled chinese web...you sir, are the idiot.


Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:09 | 979163 PY-129-20
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I can also tell you that Anonymous is planning to attack the Great Firewall very soon.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:44 | 979322 malikai
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Let us know when Anonymous actually acheives something other than getting their own thrown in jail for ridiculous causes.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:28 | 979257 Oh regional Indian
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Sure revolutions have succeeded without Twitter, except that those were not revolutions based on the existence/availability Twitter/Facebook/Google/Buyyou/Buydo.

This is clearly a "test" event. There are enough net-connected chinese (mostly by Mobile Internet) to know what is going on. Regardless of which CIA operative saw this in some wet dream. In India, during a tense aniversary date last year, they blocked all SMS traffic. So, the govt has tools besides simple internet filtering. Important to knwo that the bulk of Chinese on-line traffic is net-cafe or phones, both easily controlled.

Getting the dragon to rumble will be enough at this point.

When the time comes, the peasants will be con-flagarated, no problem. These guys know their game quite well.

And to wish for a bloody revolution is pathetic, nothign good ever came of them, regardless of what con-voluted, victor written history might tell us.



Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:21 | 979275 Oh regional Indian
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Try this for size...

And also from the Freedom House website: From February 27 to March 13 [2010], Freedom House hosted 11 bloggers from the Middle East and North Africa for a two-week Advanced New Media Study Tour in Washington, D.C.”

In 2010, Soros’ Open Society Institute funded a grant called ‘Can It Tweet its way to Democracy? The promise of Participatory Media in Africa’ described on the OSI website as “. . . . Ethiopia and Egypt have been the current focus of the research programme; the OSI funding will allow the project to be expanded to include: Uganda, Zimbabwe, Tunisia, Eritrea and Rwanda. . . . it is hoped that it will contribute to the understanding of the new media in Africa and its links to democratization.  It is also intended that the study will be used as a source material for future research.”

Facebook and Twitter were the primary means of organizing the revolution in Egypt:  “Activists from Egypt’s Kifaya (Enough) movement – a coalition of government opponents – and the 6th of April Youth Movement organized the protests on the Facebook and Twitter . . . .” (Voice of America)

In the Foreign Policy Journal, Dr. D.K. Bolton (Jan 19 2011) writes, “NED [National Endowment for Democracy] and Soros work in tandem, targeting the same regimes and using the same methods. . . . At least ten of the twenty-two directors of NED are also members of the plutocratic think tank, the Council on Foreign Relations . . . .” (The Council of Foreign Relations is the American sister of the Rothschild’s Royal Institute of International Affairs in Britain: both are instruments of plutocratic control hiding in plain sight.

The following is a partial list of grants from the NED website for 2009 (the latest year available):

In Tunisia the focus was on training youth activists:

“Al-Jahedh Forum for Free Thought $131,000 To strengthen the capacity and build a democratic culture among Tunisian youth activists.

“Mohamed Ali Center for Research, Studies and Training $33,500 To train a core group of Tunisian youth activists on leadership and organizational skills to encourage their involvement in public life.  [MACRST] will conduct a four-day intensive training of trainers program for a core group of 10 young Tunisian civic activists on leadership and organizational skills; train 50 male and female activists aged 20 to 40 on leadership and empowered decision-making; and work with the trained activists through 50 on-site visits to their respective organizations.


for the rest....



Pretty Eye-popping....



Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:02 | 979297 reader2010
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Follow the money.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:27 | 979310 Oh regional Indian
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Sun, 02/20/2011 - 11:44 | 979486 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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""Follow the money.""


It is headed to Canada's four Western Provinces....w/ a plethora of natural resources and only 12.5 million citizens...that is correct...only 12.5 million cities...Led by gateway city Vancouver BC...



Sun, 02/20/2011 - 14:20 | 979718 reader2010
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But that's a part of the NAU.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:53 | 979292 velobabe
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ain't in this articles' search words or linked header words. nice job, TD†

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:31 | 979376 topcallingtroll
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Smart. Get the word out to china. Maybe this site isnt all about america bashing.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 13:17 | 979606 G-R-U-N-T
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Just like Libya's Moammar Gadhafi, if China's Politburo Standing Committee of the Communist Party cannot suppress communications their doomed!

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 04:13 | 979167 PY-129-20
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Kuwait is also on the list of protests - small numbers so far. There was a clash between police and demonstrators. Some claim that two people were killed. I cannot confirm that. Might be propaganda stuff. They demand citizenship.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 06:32 | 979197 Michael
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The Chinese revolution will be the Ben Bernank's greatest accomplishment.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:36 | 979258 BorisTheBlade
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He'll be celebrating on the ruines, before China goes into revolutionary mode, a lot of weaker links will break.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:36 | 979259 BorisTheBlade
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Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:46 | 979403 mikhail kalashnikov
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did'nt the kuwaiti gubmint give to all natural born kuwaiti residents the equivalent of 3500.00USD and guarantee stable food prices for the next 16 months?


Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:19 | 979526 bankonzhongguo
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Chinese food inflation is the only weapon the West has in China.  Regrettably the end run may simply to get the CYN de-pegged from the USD and then add it to the basket of currencies for the XDR.  The yuan is the linchpin to the global reserve currency, but it can't happen politically with an insular Chinese economy.  So far I don't see people starving in China, so the whole jasmine thing is likely an id-creature from the CFR hive.  The test is Chinese export production.  If that gets disrupted then maybe you have something.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 16:18 | 979941 macholatte
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China rounds up 100 activists to rapidly quash pro-democracy 'Jasmine Revolution' organised online

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1358834/China-quashes-pro-democracy-Jasmine-Revolution-force.html#ixzz1EX4LLjRq



Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:27 | 979019 putbuyer
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What will be the catalyst for the market crash. I just wanna know. So much unrest, and yet the POMO junkies keep it going.



Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:03 | 979116 plocequ1
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Im sorry to say that the market is never going down.Marketwatch just confirmed


Bad news is nothing but Bear bait.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:08 | 979124 Popo
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That's what they said in 1999 also...  and the few "alternative" viewpoints which laughed at them were marginalized...




Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:14 | 979132 plocequ1
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Things are different. The fed is keeping up the market and the " Taxpayer" is paying for it. Its not that hard to figure out..

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:27 | 979198 bingaling
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I think you are right . The market will not go down ,but I assure you the returns will not keep pace with inflation .

A dollar crash is the more likely candidate .

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 05:32 | 979205 Popo
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A dollar crash will be accompanied by soaring gasoline prices, food prices a 4x-10x where they are now, massive political instability at home and abroad,   intense disruptions of the global supply chain (due to oil, political instability and cataclysmic inflationary pressures), etc.

...which may very well all come to pass... but to suggest that the market will remain impervious to all of that is a stretch. 

When TSHTF there will be no safe place to hide -- including equity markets.



Sun, 02/20/2011 - 06:24 | 979234 EscapeKey
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Exactly. The DJIA will keep rising, but only in nominal terms.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:44 | 979260 Zero Govt
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there's nothing like "it can only ever go up" true  believers to bring on an almighty awakening!!

the more here that believe this nonsense, and ignore the evidence Fed funny money is nowhere to be seen (v low volumes as the market grinds up), the more sane I feel amongst the giddy euphoria. I set my Bear-Trap a few weeks ago (i'm always early on calling a trend) but more confident than ever a Bear is about to spring

Bear-Trap Bitchez 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 07:58 | 979265 bingaling
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Nowhere to be seen ? Have you seen commodity prices ?

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 08:44 | 979276 EscapeKey
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I'm not saying you're wrong with regards to your bear trap call, but stock markets absolutely can carry on upwards in nominal terms: 


Weimer Republic, stock market performance (nominal figures):

97 (1919), 166 (jan 1920), 278 (jan 21), 731 (dec 1921), 743 (jan 1922), 8,981 (dec 1922), 21,400 (jan 1923), 26,890,000 (nov 1923, peak)

chart here - http://nowandfutures.com/images/weimar_stocks.png

Keep in mind the reasons for Weimar hyperinflation carrying on for as long as it did - it was a) politically the easiest option to simply print, the powers that be largely had b) a self-interest in carrying on with the inflationary scheme, and they realised c) stopping the hyperinflation would lead to an explosion in unemployment. These same factors prevailed during the Argentinian '89 hyperinflation, and the same factors exist in todays environment.

Furthermore, this is really interesting:


Food went from 30% to 90% (though only the final Q) of expenditures, while rent went from 30% to 0.2%. In other words, in real terms if this experience is repeated, presumably we should expect housing to collapse.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:30 | 979308 Zero Govt
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yes Bingaling, i've not only 'seen' commodity prices i'm 'in' commodities, or PM's to be more accurate and enjoying the ride (likely its last, a top).

and yes Escapekey the Weimar Rep had forever rising stock markets etc until they didn't. But this is not a Weimar zone because the counterfeit money is not hitting the street, it's being siphoned to the Fed bum-chum bwankers to bailout their leaking hulls, not to Joe Public where i'd agree it would inflate retail products etc.

In fact we've already had the inflation, 25 years of it to be precise, from the 30/1 leverage of credit by retail banks right across the consumer economy. The next trend will be for deflation of that 25 year inflationary trend. Inflation is peeking now, we're about to deflate, probably hyper-deflate like you wouldn't believe! 

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 10:15 | 979348 bingaling
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Your opinion is deflation/hyperdeflation, mine hyperinflation. No matter which side of the fence we are on, we can both agree that whoever is right, it is a moot point because each outcome is disastrous . I am not a person who is euphoric over the myth that the market has gone up ,it hasn't at all when compared to real inflation in a long time.

We can also probably agree on what has gotten us here where we are debating two very bad conclusions ,which is bad CB ,gov't policies and corporatism . That said let's move on to trolls who deserve to get their asses kicked here because for the most part we are on the same page .

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 09:53 | 979328 malikai
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That timeline is a great reference. I note how they say they do not expect anything like Wiemar to occur in the US. I happen to agree. I could forsee a situation similar to Rollover 1981 if the arab states have proper revolutions. Such a situation would be a perfect catalyst to complete the US Police state/NWO agenda. Of course, the wildcard in that scenario is the multitude of US military bases all over the Arab countries.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:42 | 979020 palmereldritch
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Burning Down the Politburo!


Sun, 02/20/2011 - 12:24 | 979533 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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""Burning Down the Politburo!""

Why War is the Continuation of Politics....


Sun, 02/20/2011 - 01:35 | 979031 suteibu
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That chicken example is misleading.  Not to say that the average Chinese is not suffering, but......


by suteibu
on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 23:27


Fields, with a  mostly Western and Shanghai-elite customer base, is hardly representative of food prices for the other 1.3 billion Chinese who's weekly food budget, even in Shanghai, means they would only know about Fields from nearly getting run over by one of their delivery trucks.


by RagnarDanneskjold
on Sat, 02/19/2011 - 23:26


Wow. A western chicken in Shanghai is expensive. So is everything Western because the demand comes from a small amount of wealthy expats and local Chinese —although the website is in English, so they are not even selling to Chinese! I'm sure you can walk into a Whole Foods in the U.S. and find a free range/organic chicken for a similarly inflated price.

Sun, 02/20/2011 - 03:23 | 979140 RagnarDanneskjold
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I found an online circular for a supermarket in Beijing.

On this page, you can see cooked chickens are about 22 rmb/lb, or about $3. The chicken in the ad above is over 2kg, so it would be about $12 at this market. Also, on the left hand side, second line from bottom, is half a chicken, uncooked, for less than $1 per lb. Bacon is about $1.40 per pound (?????


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