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Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:34 | 1465154 bigwavedave
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crude futures are traded in new york dummy.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:34 | 1465152 bigwavedave
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crude futures are traded in new york dummy.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 21:01 | 1465084 RagnarDanneskjold
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You're missing the big picture. Why is Chevron trading oil? The dumdums in Washington, the press, and most of the general public only look to the seen and completely ignore the unseen. In China at least, the answer is more obvious as to why Chinese companies from every industry are forming real estate divisions, taking out general business loans, and using the capital to fund real estate development and speculation. I would argue it is really no different in the U.S. Easy money is going to go somewhere and it went into the financial and commodity markets. If you have an information advantage (as one would hope Chevron would), you can profit from this new gusher of Benjamins that is connected to a giant superfield known as the Federal Reserve. Why devote resources to risky exploration and drilling, when you can mop up in the financial market? This is why the real economy erodes during a credit bubble, people have an incentive to make money and they go where the money is. The jackasses chasing speculators might as well be Soviet planners decrying hoarding.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:41 | 1464943 mind_imminst
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360 million. I am not going to get my undies in a bundle. Is there a law against oil companies trading oil. If so, then there should be some legal action. Did they collude with other oil companies to get their trading profit? If so, then there should be some legal action. If not? Well, what is everyone so upset about. If you were in the oil producing/refining/selling business and could make a few pennies trading because of your superior knowledge, you would. I know that the oil companies do not have a "saintly" historybut if what they are doing is legal, then all I see are sour grapes.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 19:42 | 1464945 mind_imminst
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And don't lecture me about how the system is rigged. We all play within the system. It sucks, but we make do.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 17:22 | 1464580 RockyRacoon
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How would Chevron's position and thereby profit not be part of the normal filings of a public corporation?   What I'm saying is, why would this not be public knowledge at some point?   And, bonus question for extra points:   How do we know the oil even left the original storage point?   Why could the entire exercise not have been a paper transaction all along.  (COMEX being a not-so-prime example.)

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 15:47 | 1464296 Sun Tsu
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Oil is black gold, neither electronic nor linen - 'nough said.  Get some.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 14:10 | 1464040 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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BP = Barclay's Petroleum?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:56 | 1463992 GoldmanSux
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Haha. Those well known refiners, JP Morgan and Barclay's, had their fat little snouts in this deal.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:52 | 1463978 PTRio
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The Obummer is a very intelligent person. That makes it very difficult to understand how stupid he is sometimes, and makes you wonder if his “stupid” move or moves aren’t actually by design.


For example, opening the US Strategic Oil Reserve and selling oil from it. He claims it was to bring down prices at the gas pump and hurt speculators who were driving up the price of oil. OK, fine by me. To the extent speculators drive up the price of oil they should get hurt. It isn’t fair. Oil is a national security level commodity which plays a vital role in the functioning and life of America and Americans. I support a ban of all speculative (non delivery) trading of oil and oil futures because that activity drains billions from the US economy and our citizens every year.


But, it struck me as awfully stupid to say he was trying to hurt speculators by selling the oil, WHEN HE SOLD IT TO SPECULATORS! JP Morgan bought what, over $200,000,000.00 in oil from the strategic reserve. Barclays Bank, a FOREIGN BANK bought 200,000 barrels. And what can a BANK possibly do with oil? Well, what the Goldman Sachs Vampire Squid Department does is they rent tankers to store the oil and anchor them offshore to wait for the price of oil to move higher, at which time they sell it to refiners at a nice profit and the cost of the SPECULATION and SPECULATOR PROFIT is then passed on to consumers…..just as if the oil came from Saudi Arabia and not from the US Strategic Oil Reserve.


Can the Obummer really be THAT stupid? Or, did he release the oil as a means of getting cheap oil into the hands of the major oil companies and Wall Street speculators so they could make some easy money? Because, as the article below points out, (and the “accidental” emailing of these figures to the press was no “oops”, believe me. Somebody with a conscience wanted the American people to know about this scam) oil speculators are definitely making big money on this oil. Making LOTS of money on the US Strategic Reserve Oil. Even the oil companies themselves are speculating and making money in this oil. Duh.


I have to believe Obummer knew what he was doing, and literally gave roughly $200,000,000.00 in profits (and likely a whole lot more) to the oil companies and banks which bought this oil. After all, it is time to bring in those campaign donations. Obummer scratches the backs of the oil industry (and a few banks who act all put out so they are included) and they scratch his in the form of campaign donations. Corrupt? Illegal? Or just the new new reality of the Bankster Republic taking over?

Mon, 07/18/2011 - 04:45 | 1465631 Urban Redneck
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"I support a ban of all speculative (non delivery) trading of oil and oil futures"

The problem is-

Legitimate hedging of energy costs involves non delivery) trading of oil and oil futures.  


Enforce delivery, absent the creation of thousands of new product markets (where lack of market depth and liquidity alone lead to decreased hedging efficiency not to mention infinite new arbs for big speculators), and prices will significantly increase (kiss transitory inflation and $100 oil goodbye.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 16:08 | 1464350 Libertarian777
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how do you define 'intelligence'?

Bernake has a PhD from Princeton and is the most retarded person I know.

He could have a 180 IQ yet couldn't figure out the difference between real wealth and nominal paper fiat if a wad of FRNs hit him in the head repeatedly.

I won't even say he has Aspergers, that would be an insult to people with autism.

He suffers from delusions of grandeur.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:41 | 1463952 Moe Howard
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Oil companies are the big dogs. The big dogs make money no matter what happens. You will never see any form of  energy but oil until they have a controlling interest in the production and distribution of the new energy source. They will not allow it.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:38 | 1463945 the grateful un...
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no one wants to believe it , but the rise in oil prices (asset values) is the intended consequence of the SPR release. The Fed has to keep juggling asset prices, or it will end up buying them. (a mortgage contract and a contract to buy a barrel of crude are the same thing for their purposes)

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:12 | 1463866 PulauHantu29
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Anyone who does not own oil (USO) is not keeping up with inflation (unless they own alot of gold or silver).

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:53 | 1463982 knukles
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FYI, a similar vehicle with way superior longer term performance is DBO.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:07 | 1463848 tom
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It's as I've been saying, dopes like Taibbi have it all wrong, GS and JPM and the hedge funds are not the big swinging dicks of the oil futures markets, the oil companies are. The oil companies have most of the storage capacity and all of the refining capacity. Speculators who go up against them are very disadvantaged and will lose much more often than win. Besides, GS and JPM and the like aren't even doing much speculating, they're mostly just leading the lambs to slaughter and collecting their commission.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:39 | 1463947 FeralSerf
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BP is a major asset of the British Empire, like the East India and Hudson Bay Companies use to be.

The sun never sets on the British Empire. The American military is one of their enforcers.

The British Empire is owned by the Rothschilds. (Debt is slavery, even if you're the King.)

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:42 | 1463953 Moe Howard
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+666 Exactly.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:40 | 1463938 FeralSerf
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Sun, 07/17/2011 - 14:40 | 1464106 hooligan2009
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think you will find that ever since BP bought the American Oil Company (Amoco) plus a few other deals, that the American fund manager owns almost 10%. This from a British paper last year for the top ten shareholders.

you can check out the board here as well:

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:02 | 1463844 malikai
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I hope they do. I'm waiting in earnest to ride the waves they make. Seriously Bruce, if you can't beat em.. ()

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:01 | 1463839 LMAO
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Yes Bruce, it's a win win situation according to Goldman Shyte:

Higher oil-prices = more petro-$$ running back into the US economy

But then again, if somebody is win-winning in this trade, it kinda implies somebody else is lose-losing.


Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:27 | 1463916 FeralSerf
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Even (much) more important, higher oil prices = many more paper dollars being exported that will not get back into the US economy.  When one can pay for real assets with just a wad of toilet paper that never puts demands on local goods and services (except the FIRE variety that's rapidly inflating, which is good if you're one of "Them"), then real interest rates can be more easily kept negative.  QE3, coming to a gas station near you!

Control of the planet's major energy sources, and nothing is more major than oil, is the prime method of control of everyone by the Power Elites.

The Big Wealth Transfer continues.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:50 | 1463825 knukles
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And in any case, there are never any "speculators" taken to task. The campaign contributors just contribute more in order to preserve the status-quo. 

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 12:56 | 1463824 knukles
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But but btu btu but...
The oil company is not a speculator.  Neither is a hedge fund or private equity shop.

They make (As if it's all volitional in today's day and age... try cost of doing business, and tax deductible at that!)....

              .......campaign contributions.

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 12:49 | 1463800 ArmchairRevolut...
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Nice work Bruce!

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 12:46 | 1463781 Careless Whisper
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This effort to manipulate the economy produced no meaningful results, other than to make some fat cats fatter.

That was the intended meaningful result. Aren't you starting to get it?

Sun, 07/17/2011 - 13:49 | 1463970 drbill
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Understanding what's going on get a lot easier once you start asking, "cui bono?"

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