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In 53-42 Vote, Wisconsin Assembly Gives Final Passage To Bill Stripping Collective Bargaining Rights; Politicians Get Death Threats Over Imminent Austerity
After yesterday the Wisconsin Senate passed the controversial Union Bargaining Bill, using a surprising loophole, resulting in a Union occupation of the Capitol building, the next formality before its enactment has just taken place: the Wisconsin Assembly has just given final passage to the bill, meaning just the signature of Governor Walker is all that is needed at this point, something which will surely happen in the next few hours. And after earlier the Obama administration expressed its disappointment that Wisconsin managed to find this legislative loophole, thereby making the farcical taxpayer funded self-exile of the state democrats all for naught, we are confident the president will be making the teleprompted rounds imminently.
From AP:
Wisconsin lawmakers have voted to strip nearly all collective bargaining rights from the state's public workers in one of the strongest blows to the power of unions in years.
The state's Assembly passed Republican Gov. Scott Walker's explosive proposal 53-42 Thursday. The state's Senate approved it the night before after using a procedural move to bypass its AWOL Democrats.
Walker says he'll sign the legislation as quickly as possible.
The vote brings a swift end to a standoff over union rights that has rocked Wisconsin and the nation. Tens of thousands of protesters have converged on the state's Capitol for weeks of demonstrations.
The implementation of Walker's proposal will be a key victory for Republicans who have targeted unions amid efforts to slash government spending.
In the meantime, as Karl Denningers highlights, social decay is propagating after Wisconsin politicians receive the following death threat:
Please put your things in order because you will be killed and your familes will also be killed due to your actions in the last 8 weeks. Please explain to them that this is because if we get rid of you and your families then it will save the rights of 300,000 people and also be able to close the deficit that you have created. I hope you have a good time in hell. Read below for more information on possible scenarios in which you will die.
WE want to make this perfectly clear. Because of your actions today and in the past couple of weeks I and the group of people that are working with me have decided that we've had enough. We feel that you and the people that support the dictator have to die. We have tried many other ways of dealing with your corruption but you have taken things too far and we will not stand for it any longer. So, this is how it's going to happen: I as well as many others know where you and your family live, it's a matter of public records. We have all planned to assult you by arriving at your house and putting a nice little bullet in your head. However, we decided that we wouldn't leave it there. We also have decided that this may not be enough to send the message to you since you are so "high" on Koch and have decided that you are now going to single handedly make this a dictatorship instead of a demorcratic process. So we have also built several bombs that we have placed in various locations around the areas in which we know that you frequent. This includes, your house, your car, the state capitol, and well I won't tell you all of them because that's just no fun. Since we know that you are not smart enough to figure out why this is happening to you we have decided to make it perfectly clear to you. If you and your goonies feel that it's necessary to strip the rights of 300,000 people and ruin their lives, making them unable to feed, clothe, and provide the necessities to their families and themselves then We Will "get rid of" (in which I mean kill) you. Please understand that this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked everything to go aganist what you and your goonies wanted him to do. We feel that it's worth our lives to do this, because we would be saving the lives of 300,000 people. Please make your peace with God as soon as possible and say goodbye to your loved ones we will not wait any longer. YOU WILL DIE!!!!
Forget Saudi days of rage: you take away some entitlements right here in our own back yard and civil war may soon break out...
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can't live off hopium forever..when the adults come in and take away the candy,, spoiled brats cry and throw tantrums..too bad the gravy train hit the wall, all of our standards of living are going to take big hits..the result of a progressive/gov/banksters, free trade away the jobs, oligarchy.
Thisis neither a surprise nor a loophole. The Fleebagging Dem's know that without the appropriations portion the remainder of the bill could pass on a simple majority vote. This was covered in the media at the time they fled.
Thanks, NoTTD. Nothing like a clear and simple fact to clear away some of the BS. Even if it wasn't reported in the media, it should not have been a surprise. This is their "job", for crying out lout. One would think they might know the procedure.
Then again, they are, after all, government workers. Which means they are overpaid lazy-asses who probably thought it was clever to get a three week vacation at taxpayer expense.
Both the governor and the legislative assemblies consulted with Wisconsin constitutional attorneys prior to their decision. They also reported such to the media. They would NOT have gone forward if they did not think it would be bulletproof! They also reported that to the media.
Wait a second... that isn't backwards at all ... WTF?
Finally someone stands up to a segment of the middle class which has held the other members of the middle class hostage to their interminable demands for special consideration. I wouldn't go back to being a republican but it's good to see this one time that a campaign promise is being kept.
Collective bargaining FOR PUBLIC SERVANTS is nonsense.
82% of schools underperforming. This figure is about to go down in Wisconsin. Perform or Screw!
Public schools are glorified day care centers and cesspools of modern day Soddom & Gomorrah.
We don't need fucking unionized teachers and support staff to run these asylums.
We need drill sergeants and military operatives to turn the rotten American youth around and make MEN out of cry baby boys and make WOMEN out of teenage whores.
Yeah, thats exactly what we need. Drill sergeants?
Inner city public schools are battle grounds.
Yes, the youth there needs to be restrained and trained by the equivalent of drill sergeants.
They need to have the ability to detain and incarcerate some of the youth for durations of up to a few hours if necessary.
If you know what's good for the survival of this strung out country, you're with me on this.
Soddom and Gommorah? Drill Sargeants? Incarceration?
I can assure you that a Fundamentalist police state is the last thing this country needs.
Shouldn't you be out picketing funerals or something?
While I appreciate where you are coming from, what you really need is then a return to familial values. Not more state reliance.
I am with you. But that path leads to ruin.
The worship of the state is the worship of force. - Ludwig von Mises
Replace teachers with prison guards.
Sarcasm? I hope.....
You read about the animals from a hs basketball team along with a son of a school superintendent gang raping an 11 yr old in Texas? Maybe they do need prison guards.
How about parents? We could start there.
IMO, the school system being broken is yet another tragic effect of the bigger wrongs. What is amazing to me is how society, human behavior, political systems, religions, etc. are all tied to the design of the money system. It seems our current design (ponzi style) really feeds on the negative aspects of the human soul... leading to what we see today... a society on verge of meltdown. The schools are just a mirror image of the larger world. I hear all time about how nasty kids are today towards each other in school and know that they are only modeling the pressures and behaviors they see at home and around them. Dog eat dog.
You're forgetting Hollywood promoting overall lower standards, trash music, trash talk and all other forms of glorified trash.
Money has been able to penetrate every aspect of our lives and find a commercial application for it. There is no sanctity on anything!
The country is oversexed and about to overdose. The cost of education is higher than ever and the kids that leave those establishments are dumber.
That is great...now all they have to do is kick out all the national banks and open the Wisconsin state bank!!! They are halfway there!!!
And this is why muni bond defaults will likely be less than what the ZH crowd thinks. Costs are going to be shred dramatically (like with this union legislation), then increased taxes, and then as a last resort, bond default.
If they are pissed off now, just wait until they find out the promises are all hollow. What is really sad is that then they will only have fallen to where the private sector has already been for some time. Welcome to my world - right or wrong.
Along the way, this public versus private thing really could be a divide used to the advantage of the PTB. Be careful folks. Remember the bigger picture here.
All this piss and vitriol from the union protesters, you'd never know at the end of the day they'll still have a better pay and benefit package than anyone close to their level of employment in the private sector.
None of it matters in the broad scheme of things of course, but it is rather amusing to watch the hijinks of union types crawling into the windows of the WI Capitol building in the dead of night while they plan on not showing up in the morning for their teaching job.
hey you bailed out gov motors, theres a union you taxpayers own.
hope ya get ya moneys worth :P
it would not hurt my feelings to see a dead politician if at the hands of the people rather than the cia - the usual murderer of domestic politicians.....
i was wondering if we were allowed to wish the guy who wrote that death threat 'good luck' or if that was a thoughtcrime?
instead i'll just give you a ++good tony bonn
yeah fuck em. lets just give all the money we have to the rich elite so they can go off to other countries and eat donuts on yachts and plan for our mass extermination. good sounds good.
Leader Of Wisconsin Law Enforcement Association 'Regrets' Endorsing Walker
But the measure carves out a special exemption for local police officers, firefighters and the Wisconsin State Patrol.
http://www.channel3000.com/politics/26933675/detail.html
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No worries Law Enforcement / Gun Slingers!!! you will get to be at the front of the Goobermint Bread / Food Stamp Line when the time comes.. You Gun Slingers will be second only to the military.. gotta keep "We the People" in line somehow!
Hopefully, Walker will realize that he regrets excluding any government unions and correct the oversight.
It makes political sense to let the Jack Booted Thugs (oink!) keep their union... after all they're going to be the ones on the ground busting heads if the populace get's angry and realizes that corporations are getting hundreds of millions in tax breaks in wisconsin at their expense. Who am I kidding... the SUV Driving, Fox News Watching mouth breathers that make up the new political majority are never going to realize this... instead ol' Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch have them eating out of their hands like good little sheep and dressing up The union's in wolf costumes, while the real wolves(1%'ers) lie in wait licking their chops.
It is a brilliant play by the elite to have the middle class attack itself all while the top 1% steals more out of everyone's pockets.
Higher, Tighter and RIghter hands indeed...
Very disappointing that Tyler, and most ZH posters, stand with the Koch Brothers, Faux News, and Karl Rove in their quest to rape the middle class to pay for Wall Street's crimes. For those of you from WI... probably best to take down the Walker banners before EMS arrives to deal with Granny's heart attack.
Useful idiots all... one day (too late) you'll understand you're being used, abused, and will be cast aside as soon as your services are no longer required... hope you choke on those crumbs you're picking up in the market (the bribe)... Oh, they forgot to tell you... it's just a loan, they'll get it back... with interest.
Good little Sock Puppets... http://maxkeiser.com/2011/03/10/911-crybabies-read-americans-take-orders-from-sock-puppets-to-destroy-themselves/
yeah this is turning into a site for rabid right wing idiots.
Maybe. But I think it's more of a realization that our country has been living beyond its means and no one should be exempt from the austerity that is needed.
na its just draining the last bit of life from the working class to feed the debts made by wall street and our military adventurism. get rid of unions, get rid of everything and just have the corporations and ultra rich run everything and you will see...
I see, so if you don't support collectivist public sector union moochers who are way better off than most folks in the private sector, you're "against the middle class" ??
How about the real middle class, the ones whose labor is not being wasted in government bureaucracy? The ones that have felt the brunt of layoffs over the past few years, the ones who have seen their earnings deteriorate while corpulent union contracts protect the privelaged few from feeling any pain of reality?
Just how long did you think this illusion could go on? You could take every penny from "the rich elite" in Wisconsin and it wouldn't put a dent in this shit. Get real.
++++. Also, nobody seems to want to address the fact that if this was really about teacher pay, we could find the money in about fifteen seconds. But it means cutting somewhere else, and our collectively spoiled asses can't stand the idea of cutting Jack Shit.
This isn't about teachers and unions, or taxes and taxpayers. It is about priorities and choices. Well, since we all want to have our cake and eat it too, the first step is to leave off the frosting.
rp... those 'moochers' set the standards for your wages and benefits. Once the Kochs of the world are through with public unions, you're next, and you have absolutely no way of fighting back... useful idiots!
Once the Kochs of the world are through with public unions, you're next, and you have absolutely no way of fighting back... useful idiots!
What specifically do you believe that the Kochs will do to me?
Bullshit, they've never done anything for me, and they never will.
The standard for my pay and my benefit is me, not collectivist horseshit.
I pay for my own shit, thanks.
"The standard for my pay and my benefit is me, not collectivist horseshit."
That does not make sense. LOL.
So, to be clear, you determine your income. "I hereby declare my income shall henceforth be 1000000. That is it. That is my final offer!"
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You seem like a decent guy JL, but wake the fuck up!
The bill that was passed today stripped unions of collective bargaining. All cost saving, budget related items were removed to enable Walker to get what he wanted all along. He's now a Tea Party hero (got the "domino's" started), has the full financial backing of the 'KocK' Bros, Americans for Prosperity (same thing), and is in place for a run at the GOP nomination (btw... unions agreed to the cuts long ago... this is union busting, nothing more).
Austerity... what bullshit... they just got a huge tax break for all the sleazy Banker millionaires that caused this mess, and you want to pay for it on the backs of Teachers, EMS staff, Nurses, Bus Drivers, clerks, and maintenance workers??????
You gotta link on those tax cuts that ISN'T Maddow vs. Beck? The Maddow crowd is screaming "tax cuts for wealthy corporate interest...", the Faux story is that they are incentives to get business to move to Wisconsin, (and I believe, one "tax break" to keep a companyfrom leaving the state), and that the majority of them are either theoretical, haven't actually taken effect, or may never come to fruition in the first place.
http://www.jsonline.com/business/117448908.html
If you don't want to encourage employers to create jobs then doesn't that make you an enemy of your unemployed neighbors?
Is that encouraging them to "create jobs" or just to line their pockets?
According to your post they would create more jobs and increase their wealth retention. These are not mutually exclusive. In fact, no one would open or invest in any business if there were no chance of profit. Then no one would have a job and all you self righteous types could sit around twiddling your thumbs while everybody starved to death.
No, there is ZERO reason for them to "create more jobs" other than some mythological belief that, if allowed to keep more of their money (or investment profits), they will do so. Jobs are created when there is business to be done, not corporate money to be spent. No (sane) business creates jobs just because they can. I have no problem with businessmen turning a profit, I do it myself, but I don't pretend that they aren't as rational as the next man when it comes to how to re-invest money from their tax breaks especially in the face of collapsing demand.
Hey CC,
Sorry, I could have been clearer... I was talking about the top 2% tax cuts the GOP insisted on, holding extended unemployment and middle class tax breaks hostage to get them.
But, it is true that the fiscal crisis Walker used as an excuse to gut the unions was the result of corporate tax cuts. The gap in the budget was almost to the dollar, what the tax breaks cost... apparently, they were absolutely necessary to prevent every business in the state from leaving... that's the Faux position (give me a break).
And leftwing nutjobs.... defending more raping of the taxpayer.
Says the 40 week-old member.
Go back to MoveOn and suck on Soros' Koch. You won't be missed, Statist Swine.
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For those of you from WI... probably best to take down the Walker banners before EMS arrives to deal with Granny's heart attack.
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No..no. Police are exempt.. Fire too.. who will protect the Goobermint? the Lobby? The Banker / Coroporations who pay the Lobby?
Police Gunslingers!!! will protect the Lobby Whores who belong to Big Business!!! Thats who!!
The overpaid union thugs they're fighting against--
>>>MADISON, Wis. -- David Rhode is a paramedic in Middleton, Wis. He works 56 hours a week, mostly in 24-hour shifts, frequently carrying wheezy patients up and down flights of stairs. He said he earns about $43,000 a year.
HuffPost asked Rhode, 36, how it feels to be overpaid. His eyebrows went up.
"I drove my Ford Focus here," he said. "I live in a 950-square-foot condominium!"<<<
and they're sooo unreasonable:
>>>Rhode said he participated in contract negotiations between the Middleton city administrator and his union, which he said successfully bargained for less vacation time in order to maintain its current level of health coverage. Under the resulting contract, the city covers 95 percent of the cost of premiums. Walker's bill would cap that at 88 percent, which union bosses have said they're willing to accept so long as collective bargaining rights are preserved.<<<
So he works about three days a week and makes $43k? Cry me a fucking river. I used to gopher shit around a work site 6 days a week, 12 hours a day, for $5/hr with 0 benefits, in a Right To Work state; so these people can blow me.
And FYI, an EMT spends most of their time sitting on their asses in an air conditioned vehicle waiting for something to happen, or responding to non-events.
Yes, the EMT's around here have 'crash pads' in different parts of the city. Hang around playing on gaming consoles until a [call] comes in.
What do you base your assumption that ZH stands with anyone on anything? We stand with fair and efficient allocation of capital, something this country has not experienced for decades. Obviously that means being against $20 trillion in banker bailouts among many other things (we assume you have read Zero Hedge in the past two years), such as a preferential distribution of social entitlement capital.
tyler, i think øh stands for life.
like in, live simply so others can simply live.
i really am, in love with you†
I'm sure you do Tyler... how about starting with the fucks that screwed the entire world before supporting a kleptocrat like Walker (no preferential distribution of capital with his agenda is there).
Who do you think benefited from the bailouts... EMS drivers? Walkers backers, that's who... you know, the ones the workers and Dem Senators (you demonize... or at least marginalize) are fighting... I'm on their side, are you?
Incoherent dribble
I'm sure you do Tyler... how about starting with the fucks that screwed the entire world before supporting a kleptocrat like Walker (no preferential distribution of capital with his agenda is there).
ZH bashes overprivileged bankers and politicians every single day. Are you suggesting that Tyler should forgo discussing public sector unions and state funding crices until the last banker has been banished from the Earth? Well some of us like to learn about all aspects of current events so I guess you're just going to have get used to seeing discussion of this issue whether it rankles you or not.
Please feel free to not participate.
These ahole drones have infiltrated many great sites. Good job setting them straight.
How's this for fair and effeicient allocation of capital Tyler?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/mar/10/wisconsin...
[If you think this is about ending union thuggery and returning tax dollars to taxpayers, you've been had.]
>>>A peek into Governor Walker's so-called "budget repair bill" reveals a shop of horrors that is just the opposite of actually repairing the budget. Among the items listed in the bill until Wednesday night were selloffs of state power generation facilities – in no-bid contracts notoriously prone to insider dealing. The 37 facilities he wants to sell off that produce heating and cooling at low cost to the state's universities and prisons. Walker's budget repair bill would have unloaded them at a low price, presumably to campaign contributors such as Koch Industries – and then stick the bill for producing this power at higher rates to Wisconsin taxpayers in perpetuity. (And this is all being sold as a "taxpayer relief" plan!) Invariably, this will make its way into new legislation once attention is diverted from the current controversy.
The budget bill also plans to tear down the Wisconsin Retirement System (WRS). This is not New Jersey, where a succession of corrupt governments have underfunded (read: stolen) the state pension system in order to shift resources to pay for budget shortfalls in general revenues caused by tax breaks for the rich. The WRS is one of the nation's most stable, well-funded and best-managed pension systems. Although Wisconsin is not a big state, the WRS has amassed $75bn in reserves, and pays out handsome pensions to its public retirees, without needing new public subsidy. The Walker bill has language providing for tearing down this system, raiding its assets to pay for further tax cuts for the rich (especially property owners), and then throwing Wall Street a meaty bone as public employees would be shifted to 401k plans handled by money managers on commission.
In a separate proposal, Governor Walker would start privatising the University of Wisconsin's two flagship doctorate-granting campuses. Ironically, the land grant universities – of which Wisconsin has long been among the best – were created by protectionist 19th-century Republicans as an alternative approach to British free-market doctrine, which dominated the prestigious and largely anglophile Ivy League universities. These universities, like their German counterparts, taught a new economic policy of state management and public enterprise that formed the basis for subsequent US and German development. Walker would kill off this tradition, and return intellectual production to the highest bidder.
Other proposals suggest selling off Wisconsin's public northwoods lands with their cornucopia of mineral and timber wealth. And much more is said to be in the works.<<<
Thank you for posting this. The distraction is the collective bargaining issue: it will not stand long, may take a new legislature.
The man behind the curtain has always been the sell-off of WI's state owned assets.
Thanks for [sharing] sir. Wish I would of found this site much earlier in life.
kudos
SRV, hello again. FYI, I'm not a republican, don't watch Fox News, know nothing about the Koch brothers, and I've never read or heard anything written or said by Karl Rove. I say that to point out that my support for this move in WI doesn't originate from the sources you name.
But it does seem to me to be a good thing. The government unions have used their collective bargaining power to shaft the taxpayer, for decades. How is bringing that to an end a bad thing?
Government workers are not inherently any more valuable than non-government workers. Why should they be paid more, and be given better benefits, at the expense of the non-government workers. Seems obvious to me that this is a good move.
Actually, I don't disagree completely (lots of problems with unions, like any other organization)... and you've hit the nail on the head Backspin. You, like most busy people these days, do not know the facts, and are swayed by party affiliation, and media message.
The Tea Party financiers have deep pockets, and are systematically using them to move the country to the right, with far right core principles aimed at gutting the middle class and widening the already unacceptable gap between the haves and havenots.
Your support is much appreciated I'm sure (the nonsense about them being unfairly over paid is simply a standard wedge issue from Karl's playbook)... your children's Teachers are not the problem.
I ask only that you dig a little deeper for motive, the unions already agreed to all of the proposed cuts you feel are a good move (I don't, but it seems the Teachers are more reasonable than me)... this is a nationally planned, Tea Party funded move to bust public unions... a purely political, ideological move.
I get on my knees and thank God every day that I stopped being a Democrat. Seeing as how I'm an atheist it takes a pretty thick rug but it's well worth the effort.
Right, it's always gotta be nefarious rich Tea Party financiers or some other person or group you find easy to demonize.
Did it ever occur to you it just might be that people who struggle to pay their own healthcare don't feel they should have to pony up to pay for the healthcare of someone else just because they happen to work for the government?
know nothing about the Koch brothers.. you should.
never read or heard anything written or said by Karl Rove..actually, you probably have. See any campaign ads last November?
The Kochs underwrite PBS programming. Boycott Big Bird bitches!
Soros drone
Walker Sock Puppet!
http://thinkprogress.org/2011/03/09/koch-wikipedia-sock-puppet/
The Los Angeles United School District currently spends $29,000 per student per year; the LAUSD has a high school graduation rate of 40.6%.
well, the problem j r, is that you folks in l a need to spend more per pupil. higher teacher salries, more days off for teachers, every teacher deserves a full time teacher aid in the classroom, and any student that doesn't behave like a robot needs to be medicated. anything else?
I'm thinking... I'm thinking...
Now that we all have been put - allowed ourselves to be put - into this monetary trap, ain't it sad to see how much each side hates the other inside said trap?
We end the entire charade if we turn the hatred toward the trap setters...
Aint going to happen, if it was going to happen it would have happened long ago. The elite play book hasn't changed in eons, when the serfs start to figure out the elite are the problem the elite turn serfs against themselves. There are always enough morons that buy the elite propaganda.
Agreed. But, don't discount the serf's playbook either. When they realize the elite's power is, and always has been, a mirage, they will bring the puppet masters down stage and all.
Jamie and Lloyd needed their bonuses. That means austerity for the rest of us.
Yep. Fiat currency has ever had one goal and one conclusion.
Damn! The longer this took, the less damage they could do.
Union workers: just sit in. Drop your collective bargaining. Stop paying union dues and just have the kids watch movies all day.
Why are Americans so deluded with this worthless "Gordon Gekko" and "greed is good" glorification ?
Didn't they realize that Oliver Stone meant this movie to be a depiction of a ruthless sociopath ?
When will we ever get rid of this worthless banker scum ?
i've gotten to the point that i think giving up on america might be the right way to go. the intelligence is just missing. in the end they will get what they deserve.
I'd put Germany on that list as well, as I feel exactly like you expressed it.
Bye, bye. Take Soros with you.
We might see the banker scum belatedly sacrificed, they have become a hindrance to the military industrial complex's primary mission to keep the oil flowing.
Too bad that same rage wasn't vented towards wall street banksters.
Word.
I AM AMAZED NOT A SINGLE ONE IS IN PRISON!!!
These people actually KILLED people! They are the destroyers of lives!
2012, when will be another funny year when they elect their next frontman to help them enslave the rest of America.
yep.
Benocide. The man is a monster!
People are just ants to these guys.
(No position on this issue)
I used to think that these stories of people living high on the hog, driving fancy cars, million dollar homes, all while collecting welfare were just rightwing propaganda... turns out it's true! These wall st welfare queens are flaunting it openly!
About time they said screw it, and passed it. They gave the run away juvemilles entirely too much time to come to their senses and form an alternative. Simply ridiculous that these teachers honestly think they should have such a benefit laden and cushioned job when even the Military doesn't have half of that.
Death threat's. I would if any of them will actually keep up the threat's. They really want to push the issue to the point where their employer's need to actually stand up and slap some sense into them.
Hahaha. Government employees at each other's throats, killing each other. Pinch me, I must be dreaming. How can I help? Where should I send a check?
Unless you're in the bottom 47%, you're already sending in your check. Thank you for your patronage.
perfect....the letter containing the death threats again highlite how fucking easily manipulated the citizenry of this country have always been...that letter should be sent to the Fed, all other bankers, and all other employess of every branch of goverrnment the bankers own....but, yet again the root issues r ingeniously deflected away from the ruling wealth elite and thier minions r targeted...this republic is dead.....
Well, Ben did say No Bailouts for the States.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/03/fed-boss-sees-no-quick-en_n_830...
Right after he pissed away 25 trillion to his buddies!
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/21/watchdog-says-tarp-tab-c...
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NOTHING but HATRED AND DISTRUST FOR THE ENTIRE F***ING HUMAN RACE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwVap8x64As
^^^(not off topic)... Get ready, It's cuming!
People are rightfully pissed off at their government!!!
Total Collapse into another Great Depression!
buckle up... it will be legendary! I will be one of the patriots out in the streets fighting it out against the State!
...question remains, what are you going to do about it?
I am really trying my hardest to awaken a mass amount of people!!!!
In case you haven't noticed yet, but Barack Obama is a Trojan Horse, he's a Manchurian candidate.
His campaign was financed by Goldman Sachs.
Somewhere in the middle of the healthcare fight in the summer of 2009, GS must have reminded him that it is now his turn to return the favor.
Since then he has almost ALWAYS caved in to Republican demands and pushed through legislation that only works in favor of the uppermost 1% rich folks.
You can see it in his eyes.
He looks tired and a broken man.
This is not the hope and change fighter of early 2009.
They've turned him around and made him one of theirs.
The two parties are merely wings of the same bird... [said w/o snark]
ohh, poor hussein..u turn a simple community organizer with a wife that thinks is the marie antoinette of modern age but in fact is just an ape you see in museums from 100 000years ago....
in a way i am glad this commie turns more republican than go full on commie style, i have lived in commie times and i know the type (tiger blood, winning duh!!!!)
Kochsuckka
I love how sexually charged the leftist name calling is. "Koch Sucker", "Teabagger"...why are you people so homoerotic? Do you just hate women in general, or is it the gays? Every denigrating name you can come up with for the opposition is in some way a (usually demeaning) sexual act.
Now open up and close your eyes so I can show you what a real Teabagger is. Actually, no, keep your eyes open. I want to see you looking up at me.
he does have that, broken, rape victim look in his eyes now, doesn't he...
+1000. The big difference between Obama and GW is GW always looked like he was snickering at the people and Obama looks like he's openly laughing at them while both enabled and encouraged massive pillaging and plundering of the wealth of the people.
"They've turned him around and made him one of theirs."
I don't believe you understand. There was no "turning" for him, he is what he has always been - a face man for the elite. He knew exactly what was in store for him, and welcomed it with open arms. Do not delude yourself into thinking that somewhere under that skin beats a human heart.
Austerity will come to everyone. But, Republicans are all about pissing people off. Unions, gays, women, muslims. I really believe that they have no solutions, so it is going to be this kind of shit for a while. They did such a good job under Bush....what a world!
Soros drone
and death threats go out to those peons in the legislature????? mother fuckers should get a clue....the bankers got trillions and the citizeenry gets the bozack...
March 8 (Bloomberg) -- Bank of America Corp., the biggest U.S. lender by assets, is segregating almost half its 13.9 million mortgages into a “bad” bank comprised of its riskiest and worst-performing “legacy” loans, said Terry Laughlin, who is running the new unit.
“We are creating a classic good bank, bad bank structure,” Laughlin told investors at a meeting in New York today. He was promoted last month to manage the costs of resolving disputes stemming from the company’s 2008 purchase of Countrywide Financial Corp. “We’re going to get after this, we’re going to do it the right way and we’re going to put it to bed in the next 36 months,” he said.
The legacy portfolio will hold 6.7 million loans with outstanding principal balance of about $1 trillion, according to a presentation to investors today. The split leaves home loan President Barbara Desoer with about half her previous portfolio, as well as new lending going forward."
lazy fat unions living large on tax payer money are not the ordinary citizentry, wish the union busters would have showed up with M16 rifles and show them some good times, i fucking hate the commies that think their tax payer funded salaries should be unlimited
let these gobernment workers eat cake; its my dream the system collapses and i don't pay another dime for their outsized pensions
it shows you how retarded these people are, that they think the ponzi will last until they receive their last pension check
as it is now, that 5000 a month check might buy them a week of groceries a few years down the road
good luck with that mates, let them eat cake paid for with depreciating Bernank notes
these pirates don't have the mojo to pull of their heist any longer; too f--king bad!
To write a death threat like this, especially extending the threat to family members, is a cowardly act.
To make such threats in the name of standing up for what is right, but then not having the balls to stand up and sign the letter, makes the author the BIGGEST PUSSY OF ALL TIME!!!
No, it isn't. It's an act of rage and calculated political intimidation. Perhaps it will be effective, perhaps not. Just because you don't agree with the methods does not make them cowardly.
Personally, I would be more than happy to see the politicians and the public employees take each other down in an orgy of unrestrained violence. I'll be right here watching with a big bowl of popcorn. Alas, probably too much to hope for..
I totally agree, but that doesn't mean it's not a cowardly act.
sign a death threat letter?
did you go to school in wisconsin or are you stupid by design?
you use a screen name at ZH and you want someone to sign a death threat?
i nominate you as dumbest ZH poster i have ever read
ever
ever
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moron
Two points:
1) I'm not threatening anyone's family.
2) johnQpublic isn't your real name
Edit (from home):JohnQ, you're also missing my point about signing the letter. I was trying to make the point that sending a letter like this in complete anonymity supports my assertion that it is a cowardly act. I don't expect anyone to actually sign a death threat letter (I wasn't educated in Wisconsin and I'd like to think I'm not stupid by design); what I do expect is for people to have the civility (and the balls) not to make serious threats like this from the shadows, and instead to fight for what they believe in out in the open and above board.
I do use a screen name here, as does everyone else. In the ZH arena, we are who we are, but because we have screen names, we can track each others comments and hold each other accountable. Remember when ZH allowed anonymous posts? Do you think getting rid of this improved the site? I do.
What the republicans did in Wisconsin, whether you agree with it or not, was done was done so in public (known players on the public record that is), so this was not a cowardly act. What the thousands of protesters did at the capitol building, whether you agree with them or not, was done so in public, so these were not cowardly acts. But what this person did, making very serious threats against real people and their families, was done so hiding behind a veil of complete anonymity. This is what makes it a cowardly act.
That is all.
Your a real piece of shit! (junk from me).
Say it to my fucking face, next time.
Quit hiding your identity. A quick google search yields worlds of information, I hope you know!
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Again no one is asking where the surplus created with this austerity will go - it certainly will not go to capital creation as all utilities are now designed to operate at skeleton crew levels.
It will just be consumed elsewhere - lets face it - Rednecks are dumb and easily distracted.
The corporations have 400 years of practise with this particular specimen - they know how you work and its not very well.
Watch a society tear itself apart.
Wish I had enough money to watch at a distance..............
you should have worked hard like the corporations instead of bitch about nothing and complain that during the next revolution the monkeys on the street with lynch u alive for some cash or organs :)
you could have been in the heli with ben flying high
winning anyone?
God help us and save us from Reagan Democrats - yee must be the dumbest multicellular organisms in existence.
At least rich republicans are rational human beings but I find it hard to explain how your command cell can instruct your execution cells to shit , walk the walk and talk gibberish all at the same time.
God help those who help themselves
Now, i forgive u your stupidity, your laziness, your fear of monkeys lynching u since u got no dough and NO BALLS, but ACT LIKE A MAN and stop winyning
Tell me are you using your sphincter muscle as you are typing this shit as then your comments would have a certain logic and circularity.
+1
As an aside, what percent of the Irish are analogous to the dumb American rednecks you mention? What percentage have bought and swallowed the poop over there?
Just curious.
About 90% - I am very familiar with the Gaelic and Pictish mindset and it ain't pretty sometimes.
The unions losing their God given right to demand the color of the paint in the classrooms, the temperature of the rooms, the number and locations of the copier machines, $159,000 bus driver pay, the number and locations of new schools built, the type of coffee in the teachers lounge, the right to force others into the unions if they want to work, and the right to force the state to garnish member wages to pay the union dues.
What is the world coming to?
Goldman Sachs does Gods work, unions do the red devils work, i have never been in union as unions are for retards and trolls, these trolls should be used for live target practice
Divide and conquer
Pass the buck
Shit runs downhill
Never mind who's behind the curtain
All you dumbfucks fighting amongst each other and not directing the rage where it belongs.
We have an out-of-control theiving lawless criminal government... They print the money. They make the rules!
Where in history can anyone show me the Govt actually gave a F***? Never!
We are so screwed! It is so damn frightening!!!!!
Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward.
Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both.
For a wounded man shall say to his assailant, "If I Die, You are forgiven. If I Live, I will kill you."
Such is the Rule of Honor.
yeah, u have soo bad...just look at the kid in slums drinking piss for water and not complaning
be happy that you are alive, tomorrow might never come, enjoy every moment
the government is NOT there to give a fuck !!!
the logic is astounding.
That's romantic, Blythe.
+1 Agreed
It's so pathetic when people argue for rights, benefits, respect, and certainly money that they didn't earn.
Welcome to life, my unmotivated friends.
You know the head of the state police in WI is the father of the
house and senate leaders in WI and was appointed by Gov Walker.
Not the first time they claimed death threats, but no evidence has
been shown to support this or earlier claims. You bet Walker has
higher aspirations and will hammer those who get in his way.
Soros drone
Just wait until they are forced to finally cut Medicare. You ain't seen nothin' yet. Reality is coming, and she is an ornery bitch.
One can hope so. But Medicare is Federal, not state, which means its funding is tapped directly into the printing press. She's not going anywhere anytime soon.
I love the part where they call this a dictatorship yet they forget that Walker and the majority were elected. I am sure this will be making the rounds on MSNBC ala the "dangerous Tea Party extremists" they so fondly are quick to splash in the mainstream.
Let me just say this coming from a Teamster & Operating Engineer raised middle class family ..Those of you who believe that because you have formed a group that purchases political influence to become the exact thing you were created to defend against are now no different. You do not have the right to exploit the rest of us financially because you belong to a group that perceives yourselves as more deserving of taxpayer dollars than others.
There is no money left. There are no jobs left because they were sent overseas and soon you will realize there will be no services left to render for income because we do not manufacture or produce. I repeat...If you would like to know where all your money has gone I defer you to Google Maps to pinpoint the Federal Reserve building and the D.C. politicians who allow them to socialize the losses and privatize their gains that are nothing more than eventual taxpayer debt created through CDO's backed by no income.
Ed Schultz quit creating content for your "show". Scripted callers and now phony letters of hate. C'mon Ed it could be worse, you could wake up to Rachel Maddow.
Initially, I thought the "death threats" were to Republicans who passed the anti-union bill, but after reading "this does not include the heroic Rep. Senator that risked everything to go against what you and your goonies wanted" (um, Walker, right?) it sounds like it is towards Democrats???
Huh?
good grief. I hope all the folks on this thread who want unions to go bye bye are filthy rich. Otherwise, read some history about labor in the US prior to Union organizers and Unions. Without unions and collective bargaining rights labor becomes slave labor and the autocrats become richer and richer and more powerful. It doesn't matter than unions have become corrupt. That can be corrected. I tell you; anyone who is not independently wealthy and knows how to stay that way, is shooting themselves in the foot by wishing unions and collective bargaining elimination. Too bad no one studies the history of labor in this country.
The great thing is Walker and the Republicans gave tax breaks to the
the corporations . Just wait until those who cheered this find
out their no tax break for them, they have no customers, and now
they have no rights.
Fuck you union thugs. The people a starting to wake up. Liberals don't like guns. What a wonderful thing when the real fight happens. Just don't beat me with your rhythm stick.
wouldn't need a gun to 'put' you in line
I'm sure you wouldn't
Yeah, teachers, nurses, policemen, firemen and janitors, trying to live their lives and support their families as best they can, and confronted with lowered property values, inflation and taxes, are now described as "thugs."
Get a life.
Go beat yourself douche
All Congressional Republicans need to be out looking for jobs, especially in Wisconsin. Take Faux news cameras, Rush, Rupert, Sarah, and Glennda Beck. The Bush tax cuts are still in effect. Where are the jobs in the US? We need a national Call a Republican a Liar day. We need a moratorium on any and all legislation aimed at anyone making less than, say, $300K per year. We need someone to submit Governor Scott or Scoot or Walker's resume to the Koch Brothers Industries. Scott or Scoot is a high school graduate. If the only job he'd qualify for is a janitor, then he needs to go work in the private sector for the Koch Brothers. Walk the walk. Talk the talk.
We need a lot more bankers and their families destitute and on food stamps.
As Preznit Uhbomma said
YOU LOST!!!
Get to the back of the bus, sucka LOL
When generation after generation of men came forth from the mines, their faces black with coal dust after long hours of life threatening drudgery, a powerful movement pleaded their case with rigid and sometimes extremely wealthy mine owners. These miners would have had no chance to bargain as individuals.
This is not what’s occurring in Wisconsin. This is not a union; this is a lobbying group working on the treasury with the assistance of bought politicians. It’s no different from the oil lobby going after taxpayer money. John L. Lewis and the miners union – that was a union!!!! Of men and their sons and their grandsons, who had no chance without a union.
Public employee union bosses do not sit down with their employer, the taxpayer, for collective bargaining. Instead, they often negotiate with a governor they helped elect; or, if that is unsatisfactory, they move on to a legislature they helped put in office. As one commenter quipped today: This is not a hard knock negotiating session; this is a candle light dinner.
In Wisconsin’s case, this time, the union bosses faced a governor and a legislature they did not put in office.
Oh, that's right, policemen and firemen, all unionized, have it easy. That's why they're marching in WI alongside teachers, nurses and janitors, who are all living the good life, huh? As if none have to raise families confronted by inflation, high taxes (yep, they're all taxpayers), dropping property values.
Yeah, these low lives are just like oil lobbyists, huh?
Geez.
Frankly, unless the public employee unions become more honest with themselves, and stop calling for some arbitrary “social justice” they believe they’ve been denied, and start calling for “justice” straight up without the prefixes, they are going to continue to fall into disfavor with the taxpayers.
People are smarter than you think, and they know economic injustice when they see it. In my area – San Jose/San Francisco - according to the BLS National Compensation Survey 2010, the median salary for a firefighter is $97,838 and for a police officer $91,208—police and firemen retire from salaries of $110,000 and up (sheriffs make about $130,000) at 90% of salary after 25 years with full scale health benefits.
At the same time, armed security guards and gaming surveillance officers in the area have a median salary, according to the BLS, of $29,809. The hazards for security guards are high, along with the risks. New Jersey, in its bid for these “challenging and rewarding jobs,” pays on average $12 to $18 an hour. At the same time, the BLS reports that concerns about crime and terrorism have resulted in an increased demand for these workers.
It is arrogant and blinkered bigotry for public unions, IMO, to refuse to acknowledge the growing economic disparity between America’s public and private sector employees when they exist.