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Wisconsin Democrats Boycott Anti-Union Vote By Fleeing State
The farce over the Wisconsin anti-union vote has just passed into the surreal. According to the AP, democrat lawmakers, who are firmly opposed to voting on the bill which is said to already have majority support, and who have been boycotting the vote by being absent from the state capitol, have now escalated and patriotically left the state. The reason is that while the vote can not take place without at least one Democrat being present, the police had been sent out earlier, with orders to sequester the democrats. The democrat response: run away. As the AP reports: "Senate Republicans can't vote on the bill unless at least one Democrat
is present. Police could be dispatched to retrieve them, but it was
unclear if they would have the authority to cross state lines." So to all who were expecting the latest iteration of members of the executive class to run away (with or without gold) to come from Africa or the Middle East, will be disappointed: it was in America's very own back yard.
From the AP:
A Wisconsin state senator says the 14 Democratic lawmakers who are boycotting a vote on a controversial anti-union bill have left the state.
Sen. Jon Erpenbach says the group wants to force negotiations over the Republican-backed bill, which would strip most public employees of their collective-bargaining rights.
Erpenbach told The Associated Press that he and his colleagues had left Wisconsin, but he would not say where.
He said the plan is to slow down the bill because it's "tearing the state apart."
We don't get what the big deal is here: just call Von Bernankestein's hot line and get him to deliver $10 billion, or trillion, it's all the same these days. These are the Chairman's favorite kinds of inbound calls. After all, the dollar needs all the help it can get to get to zero way ahead of everyone else. It is everyone's patriotic duty to go bankrupt and to demand bail outs from our money printing syndicate. Lastly, not doing so is racist.
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Be careful to separate private from corporate. I think there's plenty of room for teachers to be paid a good salary. Most teachers I've met work like dogs during the school year, most of it off the clock. That generally makes up for the summers off which is undoubtedly sweet. I'm not from Wisconsin, but in Florida that 35k sounds about right. I knew a teacher who had 17 years in elementary ed and she made about 700/wk. I was surprised when I saw her pay stub.
The free bennies on top of that are the sweetener that kills. I do not begrudge a teacher 46K it is not an easy job. The taxpayers cannot support a public sector of the size and expense we have let it become. The math no longer works and most likely never did.
I've noticed for a financial information blog, math and logic failure in the comments is endemic.
Your own link indicates an AVERAGE salary, not a start. As compared to an industry that generally favors advanced education as well as continuing education, 46K for the average salary is pathetic. Perhaps check the average salary of a financial analyst or conservative lobbyist? Well, if they would dare allow it published anyway.
Teachers are the one thing we SHOULDN'T be beating up on. Office buerocrats and 3rd deputies to the the county PR Chairman can piss off. Park service backup snow plow logistics assistants who make 80K can as well.
You don't understand what you are talking about, but are fearless in expressing your mindless rage about it to anyone unfortunate enough to read it. Please go back to watching re-runs of Glenn Beck and being scared of Google and let those with something to contribute make better use of these valuable bytes.
You forgot to read the bennies on top of that are the problem, 46K is fair for the job.
Yeah, thats me scared of google, dance around a glen beck figurine with snakes speaking in tongues- mindless rage, blah, blah blah..
We can no longer afford a public sector of the size and complexity it has attained, help us fix it!
I am helping fix it. First by illustrating the logic fail of the extremism thats fanning an unproductve fire: You attempted to dispell a claim of starting wages with a link disproving your own point. When I point that out you ignore it and claim the argument is about benefits. You cant steer your own intellectual car.
Secondly I'm helping fix it by pointing out that we CAN afford to and SHOULD pay teachers that much in salary and benefits, if not far more. It's amazing to me that free market wages and economics are only brought into play when they support a conservatist view of management and administratiron. We should pay those educating and shaping the productive populace enough that the best ones would WANT to be teachers. As it stands, like much of the public sector, we chum them and then wonder why the job barely gets done.
Government waste is NOT a function of the education system. Its a function of the constant pork barrel/patronage that results in ridiculously overstaffed and overpaid civil service arenas with back up back up snow plow painters, assistants to the assistants for chamber of commerce liasons and other such waste. The waste in pensions is absurd as well, but that fault is not solely on those recieving them. At almost every turn, they have been mis-managed and robbed by both republican and democrat, and the money used to solve problems that endagered their re-election. Pensions SHOULD have been self funding. Rape and Pillage by our fine elected officials and crime and mismanagement by the financial sector are as much if not more the cause of the pension problem. The real issue is that its easier to take it away than it is to FIX the ones who broke it.
Education, law enforcement, fire protection and a well maintained national guard are the requisits and foundations for a functional state society.
You simply have been indoctrinated to hate the boogey men you do and have the usual rhetoric to support it. I'm really not pro union and I see them having caused many of the problems in modern america. They served a valuable purpose, and like almost everything else they outgrew it and became something else. That said, you have no concept who your enemy really is. Usually that makes it yourself.
Had I been trying to dispel that claim I would have said "starting" you must not have noticed I did not say that. I did start my point with average salary and stayed on topic you went back to starting wage so you would have a point to argue. If we can and should pay teachers that much project a budget for WI, the citizens of that state do not agree, it is your point to prove, so prove it..
"Government waste is not a function of the education system" You must be a teacher if you believe this claptrap. Every area of Government is chock full of waste, they must spend their budget or its cut the next year, I have worked in Government and seen this practice with my own eyes.
The rest of your rant has no logical points that do not contradict themselves at least minimally. Your attempting to paint others with your biased views of how society should be is tiresome and pedantic.
Go dance around your copy of the Nation.
Beware utopians they are always the most dangerous of our dreamers.
What do the terms "union" or "government" have to do with "free market"? Another common mistake of those who don't really understand basic economics is that free market wages are not based on how important a job is...they are based on the supply of people willing and able to the work vs. the demand for that work. No one (or not many) dispute the importance of teaching. Good teachers also work very hard and care deeply for their charges. There just happens to be lots of people willing to do that work. Many are not good teachers, but the unions just need dues, er, bodies.
The dispute in WI is not over wages but benefits, which in themselves cost again as much.
and benefits are paid to ALL public union employees.
This one just happened to lose the selection to the side that was backed by the other set of greedy lowlife scum public employees.
You clowns are getting all worked up over next to nothing.
The other public unions not being forced to take cuts are where the extreme graft is and some of them carry guns boys and girls.
It's funny to see the foam and froth over a political fight between the same old red and blue team as you are getting raped by one or the other anyway.
Greenspan should be in prison breaking rocks not receiving a medal. Due to his incompetence, collusion to make a ton of money or both, he has hurt this country worse than 9-11. He caused a huge misallocation of capitol into an industry that was not needed to expand. He should attend the vote in Wisconsin, he will be with his friends.
Cowards flee and won't do their duty.
Or just start a series of QE...
About time we saw a bit of "revolution". Great stuff Dems.
Fine, let them stay away. Wisconsin could do worse that have a legislature that can accomplish nothing.
The middle class is a sleeping giant in the US and when he awakes, probably will be witnessed by a flash mob, the National Guard will have to intervene, or the army, and that will be a sad day, that did not have to happen.
Regulate OTC derivitives, and take the money back from the banks and give it to each working and tax paying citizen.
Would using that take-back from banks to retire debt be considered giving back to taxpayers?
amen!
I laugh every time some media shill writes or speaks that banks have paid back TARP. Like an arsonist setting fire to one home, and burning down the whole neighborhood, then only having to paying restitution for the one home.
Meanwhile, the economic carnage continues..
Way off topic but interesting - world's 5 worst hyperinflations -
http://www.cnbc.com/id/41532451?slide=1 (I know it's CNBS but interesting anyway.)
# 1 - Highest monthly inflation: 13,600,000,000,000,000%
Prices doubled every: 15.6 hours
Hyperinflation = SAT scores, that's why they were doubled. People were used to 800 being good.
The teachers union needs to be destroyed. But then, so does the Department of (mis)Education.
Eradicate immediately the DOE both of them Energy and Education..
(hand raised) EPA, too!
(Who IS Justin Beaver, anyway?)
This is not abouts cuts but rather about collective bargaining rights for the unions
So that they can make cuts, right?
Unions have agreed to all the cuts that the governor have asked so far, but they won't agree to give up bargining rights.
Of course if they keep those same "rights" the next guy they get elected puts us right back behind the 8 ball, sound about right..
But when their cb rights are taken away they won't even be asked about the next round of cuts because they won't have the power to affect them.
I'm on the fence about this story, on one hand I don't wanna see working people exploited and abused, but on the other I think it just brings us one step closer to the reckoning that we so desperately need. We could use a little anarchy to scare the shit out of Wall Street, K Street, and all the corrupt politicians in this country. The politicians fleeing and the people revolting sounds good to me.
That sound familiar, sounds like the private sector right.. No real power, but I as a tax payer should give that power to those I have no way to avoid patronizing: Government
+1 on the reckoning required!
It shouldn't be called collective bargaining... When the government is obligated to bargain with said union, the union is simply able to extort as much as possible with their demands. There is no labor competition to keep it in check like in the private sector.
...So they can get 100% of their health care and pension for life without making a penny in contribution. They can still bargain for salary.
those who can, do. those who can't, teach.
what a bunch of selfish, greedy pigs, who just take, take and take.
Can you buy an ETF to play on the difference between Repub abd Deamoncrat?
No, but good suggestion. Hey, float that idea past the CME. I sure they can create a futures contract for that. lol
An exclusive ZH prediction:
A Wisconsin republican senator today switched his party affiliation to Democrat by re-registering to vote in his home county courthouse as a Democrat. Now there is a Democrat in the Senate and the vote can go forward. End game.
That's beautiful man... you should be put in charge. Someone that knows how to get shit accomplished.
Dontcha have to have a quorum?
the issue isn't any democrats, the issue is that 20 people are required to hold a quorum and open the session. 1 switching sides will still be only 19. they need to catch one of the defectors to get to 20.
What a bunch of crybabies.
I expect the socialists democrat in DC will take note and follow the Wisconsin example of profile in courage and flee the scene of their crimes rather than take a stand to return the country to solvency.
What a strategy, the vote not going your way then run and hide under the blankets until decocracy and the will of the majority has vanished completely. Is that what the electorate will do in 2012 if it doesn't look like "our dear leader" will get re elected? Do your job, do what you were paid and elected to do. If you don't like the outcome then work to change the laws. At least that's what the lawmakers tell the common folk when we start getting riled up and complaining. What's good for the goose...I believe is the saying. But I suppose if I have to choose between Sarah Palin and Barak Obama I will take a page from the cheese heads and head for the hills!
http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/116390569.html
Found the f*ckers at a resort in Illinois.
They are found. They are in Rockford Clock Tower Resort in Illinois, which boasts having a fine pub and eatery called "Tilted Kilt".
Check out the pic of a server of the pub.. (on my blog)
http://ex-skf.blogspot.com/2011/02/wisconsin-dem-senators-have-left-stat...
Gotta luv those tax $$$ at work.
Meanwhile, Imadinnerjerk pussied out, like he always will until the nuke collection is complete.
But don't you dare rag on Muslims! You might offend Laura Logan's delicate sensibilities.
What kind of beeetchesszzz would go to a resort in ROCKFORD? Have you ever been to Rockford? It's not even a good place to be from.
Rockford, IL is Ronald Reagan country. I believe he worked as life guard there when he was a teenager. Not that I'm a Reagan fan. I'm just sayin'.
No, no. Reagan was born in Tampico, grew up in Dixon IL. Was a lifeguard at Lowell Park. Dixon is no where near Rockford's brand of nasty.
This place used to have a useful comment section. No more.
It is a good place to watch America disintigrate though.
But what is your point? You see any future?
Now, an AVL thread.....
Not much for you. Because of that though I see a slightly brighter future for much of the rest of the world.
I need you to be a normal country so the world can progress. I am pleased you are accomplishing that all by yourself.
Figures. Another furringner that has know clue about freedom.
Yeah. Sounds like what he misses is the haughty superior american bashing. A lot of furriners came to this site.for the usa criticism du jour, being that their own countries were so perfect they could find nothing to criticise there.
Take a hike dbag! If you have to ask, you'll never know.
Public Union Market Protectionism. That is all this is!
Feel free to bring forth useful and interesting commentary from your own vast thoughts and meditations on the subject at hand. Until then, please stop opining on the lack of "useful" commentary and learn to use spellcheck. This is Fight club not Masterpiece Theatre..
No it's whiney babies club now. You see any of the original posters here?
So go to DailyKos, we won't stop you. Have you even read the article?
Moron.
Certainly. I take information from a large variety of sources.
> 'Smiles at the barking dogs'
Thank you. I now see your forming of opinions and world view was greatly dependant on those original group of posters. I feel almost bad for you as they are no longer here to fill your mushy head with enough opinions to properly function in society much less fight club. May I suggest perhaps read a book?
A lot of intelligent people used to comment here. I could learn something.
Now it's just noise.
I will agree that there is more noise than when I started but bump up the cognitive filters and jump in. If you were here in the beginning, I am sure you have more to contribute than a drive by slam..
What do you know from intelligence? See nothing worthwhile from your sorry ass but Lib tripe, so fuk off.
Here boy .... sit!
What are you then a masochist PG? I suggest you take your whining puss elsewhere?
Yeah, Me.
But if we are going to watch america.disintegrate, this is the best seat in the house. Stick around why dontcha?
Rename your union to "Wall Street Bankstas Teacher's Union" and you'll get all the free money and benefits you want.
DOWN WITH THE CORRUPT UNIONS!
Typical Democrats, gotta protect Obabys people.
Hell, the changes allowed them the right to WAGE negotiations.
Do these people not get it, there are no coins in the coffers?.
Why should a Non Union family barely making it, be forced to keep them in the lap of luxury?.
Oh, I get it.................their a UNION.(Dem Voters).
why wont those non union families join a union and fight for better compensation.. this isnt about wages.. this is about compensation that doesnt get pissaway with the value of the dollar..
health care wouldnt skyrocket if the dollar was stable, etc etc
you are blaming an end result not the cause.
Ha! "Middle East"! I get it. (the articles label tag)
Yep, Cairo, Wisconsin.
Next revolution will be in Cuba City
http://www.cubacity.org/
Unions, israel, and america bashing are about the only things tha cause fights in fight club anymore. We need more of it! I miss the flame wars of old, with the cursing and all. We need an article about israeli unions bashing america and let robo harry and hamy.start. that would be fun.
Fuckin' Wisconsin Bastards
What's the bounty up to?
"So to all who were expecting the latest iteration of members of the executive class to run away (with or without gold) to come from Africa or the Middle East, will be disappointed: it was in America's very own back yard."
Tyler, this is bullshit.
That's democrats for ya. If you can't beat em, marginalize em, lie about em, then run. Run like cowards.
There is another party, the Libertarian. Want change? Elect Ron Paul and you will see MF ing change bitchez!
when they get done running rehearsals its the actual revolution time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLAme4tNMBw
gold bitches!
Preview, bitchez!
And that was how the second civil war started back in 2011, kids. Teachers and cops fought with taxpayers fed up with paying their high salaries and benefits. And the National Guard fought on the side of the cops and teachers, killing the citizens, who only wanted a fair shake.
That riled up the farmers, and the restaurant owners who wouldn't serve cops any more donuts, so the cops shot 'em in cold blood.
Eventually, the taxpayers, or common folk citizens got out their guns and gave 'em a whippin' and a good one. It all started in Wisconsin, but it spread to Illinois, and New York and in New Jersey, gangsters killed bankers with help from sweat shop seamstresses.
The politicians headed for the hills where they would be rounded up by grumpy old hermits and mountain men and cornholed til they bled out.
And they strung up the heads of the biggest banks and the government right at the top steps of the Capitol in Washington, DC. Some said it was ghoulish and horrible, but most people said those evildoers deserved it.
And that's why we still have a Union of States called America. It was close, and a lot of good people died, but we got things back in order, eventually.
Sweet Jesus - there is a God and justice!
Wow Rick. you should be writing ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmNgiNpcRVc
N.W.A - 100 Miles And Runnin'
RUNNNNNNNN MOTHER FUCKERS!!!! RUNNNNNNN!!!!
Corporate America Bought and Paid for a Vote to CRUSH UNIONS!!!! Now get your asses back there so the Vote can Pass...
This shit makes it look like the Democrates are on the peoples side... but Obama is a Republican! LiL Bush Part Deux in Technicolor!
If they mounted a head of a democrat on the wall of the capitol, would that stop this sort of problem in the future? Seriously, Article 4 Section 4 of the Constitution guarantees a Republican form of government. That is a government in which the rights of the individual is paramount. Including property rights. Property rights DO NOT EXIST when anyone, including government, can take personal property AT WILL as in direct income taxes. When a government can take from one and give to anouther, this is what we get (people demanding your money). Article 4 Section 4 GUARNTEES PROPERTY RIGHTS (money is your property too), yet everyone in the country ignores this fact. Today, we have a decocracy, and the founders warned us about Democracies. Read the constution and the federalists papers (10).
Matt Taiibi explained why no one is in jail because of the banker created financial disaster:
Why Isn't Wall Street in Jail?
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-isnt-wall-street-in-jail-20110216?print=true
Not only that, but now teachers and some unions are but the first of the "state" workers who have to pay the price, as a part of making the bankers whole in collusion with their Uncle Ben.
We may not get our "Egypt" for America, but maybe we can have fifty of them in every state.
CUT THEIR PAY AND MAKE IT POSSIBLE TO FIRE POOR TEACHERS!!!
Think of the poor, starving children!
Schools are closed.
No free breakfasts.
No free dinners.
No free lunches.
The comments here suggesting that the affected public unions are the little guys and asking why don’t those evil lawmakers pick on somebody their own size like the bankers, are misplaced.
First of all, someone, starting even in Madison, Wisconsin, needs to support the victims of this grinding union-contract machinery that will shut down every state house in America and bankrupt its taxpayers. Yes, the big guys deserve an attack that by rights should be underway by the lawmakers assigned that task—the United States Congress. At least Wisconsin lawmakers know the area of their responsibility: to stop the hemorrhaging of public money into the pockets of grossly overpaid public employees.
Take my neighbor, for example—a public employee who retired three years ago at the age of 52 and is pulling down $200,000 in salary (with a guaranteed annual 3% COLA) with full health benefits for himself and his wife--for life. I seldom see them, of course; they are constantly traveling... while I am constantly working...
My cousin just finished her first year as a public grade school teacher in a working class town: she is guaranteed 100 percent salary pension when she retires, full health benefits when she retires, and an ongoing IRA that is guaranteed an annual 2 percent profit by the state, no matter how deep the loss, with no limits on the profits. When she attends a teacher’s meeting or workshop, she receives overtime pay even if on week days; when she has to take another teacher's students into her classroom for a day, she is paid an extra $50 a head.
She can "retire" after 25 years.
I call bullshit on the 200k retirement
Are you kidding me? Happens all the time in IL. Had a small township superindentent here, headed up a school of maybe 800 students. When he retired he pulled in almost 300k in salary alone. Retired at over 200k a year+ all the sweet benefits he could suck from the teat. This is SMALL town IL. Take a look at the champion.org, for all the good info on IL. Maybe you'll stumble across the high school English teacher, who's pulling down 650000+ in Chicago.
Superintendent is not a teacher. Simple as that. They are worthless and overpaid for sure. So please don't confuse the two. They are not the same.
All comes out of the same honey pot, my friend. All teachers are aspiring admins, anyway. ;)
Name: Bouman, Timothy
Salary: $632,000
Position: High School Teacher
Full/Part Time: Fulltime
Percent Time Employed: 100%
Assignment: English (Grades 9-12 Only)
Years Teaching: 12
Degree: Master's
School Name: Noble Street Charter High School
District Name: City of Chicago SD 299
Kinda puts the super's take to shame, no?
But unless these 100%ers invest a good deal of their money in precious metals, they will really end up poor when the US dollar plummets in value. There is a strong likelihood of that since they have been conditioned to think they earned the good life. They may be unprepared for the ponzi inkjets.
Mountain Men! Bitchez!
Is this some sort of rarely used filibuster? Get on a bus and flee?
Only if it is a short bus. ADA, and all....
Kind of disturbing that there are rules already in place that protect "democrats" or "republicans." ie at least one member of a bullshit party must actually be there. I'm sure they don't have the same requirements for the Green Party, or Libertarians, etc.
Would you care to expound on these 'rules' you refer to?
Teachers are rioting -- now that's what I call class warfare.
When they bleed in the streets, that I'd call justice.
Most work they will ever have done.
They deserve the firing squad, all of them.
Call for violence? You sir, are a class act.
Whatever happened to Riot-Dog?
Miss that dude.
Posse time.
Nice 2cU! Welcome.
Extend my best to my MW buddies.
Meanwhile.....
ODummer is shaking down CA for campaign funds.
Paid for by Democratic Courage PAC
thought is was 'Organizing for America'....
Shut up my minions!
Have no fear, the retard is here! I have plenty more paper to drop on my peeps. Shh! I am actually giving my friends and those who are informed more time to hedge accordingly.
I am the reTARD.
pissant
Where is mine?
I just don't buy your argument. How would I know? I'm still hoping we can time the exit strategy!
I am the reTARD.
Question: Why didn’t the taxpayers turn out en masse to support the bill and confront the pro-union protesters?
Answer: the taxpayers have a hard time skipping work to protect their interests, unlike the teachers and their programmed students… Madison Schools were closed for the second day in a row as teachers called in sick and students skipped classes.
If you want to know where the teachers are, take a look at the streets surrounding the Wisconsin state capitol—demanding their money…oops! demanding your money.
Don't forget to mention its nearly impossible to fire a teacher with tenure no matter how inept he/she may be.
SINators in a Best Western...lol...they are leaving, chased by the TEA party.
what's so funny to me is that these senators had to leave Wisconsin...once you get outside a few population centers you could get lost in Wisconsin and no one would ever find you!
Two magic words to get state employees angry? COLLECTIVE BARGAINING...
As for some of you who have wondered about States defaulting...I still don't see it. Although I would NOT say the same for certain smaller municipalities, like cities and counties.
Apparently, Jobs showed up for the ODummer Silicon Valley Shakedown Tour.
Hold off on those Apfel shorts.
I keep thinking of that great Mexican tune. La Cucarachas- La Cucarachas! HeHe!
What a time to run out of RAID!
LMAO! Your a good man!
TEA party reports the roaches are headed back north.
Awaiting word on recall petitions.
I love this stuff... "March on Christian Teachers!"
Today, I was forwarded an email from the WI Teachers' Union. They equated newly-elected Walker and his "Draconian, Tyrannical Union-busting tactics" to Hitler...HITLER! Oh yes, this is exactly what Hitler did to the Jews and Poles just before policing them into the Krakow Ghettos for genocide. Yes, Hitler forced the Jews to pay 5.8% to their retirment pention funds and 12.3% towards their health care insurance. Oh yes.
I didn't even vote for Walker, but am impressed with his resolve.
You are impressed with his resolve!? Maybe you can explain to me why he is exempting police workers and firefighters from the cuts? Is it because they endorsed him?
Or maybe you can explain to me how in the world Scott Fitzgerald was appointed the chief of the state police after be lost his election bid for Dodge County sheriff?
Give me a break, the guy is a crook.
Dufus, it's a start. You think you can do better, move here.
Furringners....geez...
Move where redneck? I live in Wisconsin you f%^%ing idiot.
From Scott Walker vs. Public Sector Unions by Stephen F. Hayes (The Weekly Standard)
February 17, 2011 --
”Walker is unapologetic. These are difficult times. Wisconsin is facing a budget crisis. And there have to be cuts. Walker believes the changes he’s proposing are relatively modest. “I’m asking them to contribute 5.8 percent of their salary to their pension – right about the national average for contributions. And I’m asking them to pay 12 percent of their health care premiums – up from 6 percent. The national average is around 25 percent."
“So Wisconsin’s public employees will still have benefit plans more generous than most workers across the country. And these steps are being taken with the express purpose of avoiding major layoffs and dramatic paycuts. But the unions don't like it.
“… What’s more, Wisconsin teachers pay as much as $1100 each year in compulsory union dues. If the legislation passes, they will no longer be required to pay those dues – returning that money to their own pockets.”
If Wisconsin's pensions are run like other states', the governor is using and will continue to use them as a piggybank to fund cronyism, fraud, waste, and social engineering in the government. If the pensions are already being stolen and in danger of being cancelled, why the fuck would any sane person agree to contribute any percentage of their salary to them?
DNC supports the 'I Hate The Taxpayers' march in Cairo, Wisconsin.
Can we color the Libs done, yet? Or do you still have some blood to bleed?
Yes, raising taxes on everyone else to pay for a public employee's benefits is a tremendous boost for the economy. Better yet, a state going deep into debt to pay ridiculous salaries and pensions is an even greater idea!
QEinfinity!
This effort to use the budget as a way to kill bargaining is not a demonstration of limited government.
What? You deef?
THEY CAN'T AFFORD THIS CIT ANYMORE!
Neither can the US.
Then we can't afford this thuggery promoted by the GOP and TP.
Can we agree goobermint suks, and be done with it?
Now that is compromise.
Where's the Jeetner thread, saying the debt is unsustainable? Yesterday?
Debt and interest is unsustainable.
Luckily, New York is not likely to have such problems now.
Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg, in unveiling his budget plan on Thursday, summed up New York City’s financial health with a phrase scarcely heard in the halls of government these days: “It’s good news.”
While other cities and states grapple with calamitous?? balance sheets and mass layoffs, Mr. Bloomberg proposed a $65.6 billion spending plan for the next fiscal year, about the same size as the current budget. But the city expects $49.9 billion of that will come from its own coffers, an increase of 12 percent.
And even as other governments have fallen into deep financial holes, the city’s forecast for tax revenues has increased by $2 billion since November, making the draconian cuts many city workers had feared unnecessary.
“We are in a much stronger position than most because we have planned ahead,” his honor said. “I’ve always been optimistic about New York.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/18/nyregion/18nycbudget.html?hp
More evidence of Ben's "wealth effect" via Wall Street for New York!
Suggestion for a new thread:
How Not To Throw A Molotov Cocktail Like An Egytian
Hint: don't have the neck pointed at you.
So wish I had the vids, LMAO watching those morons.
In Wisconsin they're using diet Coke and Mentos.
We need Al Jazeera to cover these protests. The corp media coverage sucks!
everyone wants to wave their hands over states on the verge of bankruptcy. and what is one of the top debts? government employee benefits.
so here is a state with the audacity to expect the workers to pick up some of the cost, and the state is the bad guy. and just who is picking up the tab now? tax payers. and when bankruptcy hits, who picks that up?
but thats ok with the unions, as long as they get theirs
The unions are no different then what is happening with the banks.
Wonder if Laura Logan's delicate liberal sensibilities will survive her ordeal, or was it all Bush's fault.
^^^Who brought this guy?
What's that I hear? The Sound of Music ...?
Bankers and lawyers are hatching up plots
Teachers are teaching their bratty snots,
Working and slaving is not for these two
Bitching and moaning the taxpayers are screwed!
When the Banks fail
When the teachers bail
When I'm feeling sad
I simply remember my fraudclosure mortgage
And then I don't feel, so bad!
lol, what a world...
Seems like a good time for WI lawmakers to introduce a school voucher program.
So, with ODummer ignoring the vacating of ODummerCare, does that mean I get to edit my Jeetner print of taxes, to reflect there is no law anymore?
Do I get to deduct taxes for an unconstitutional law yet?
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/breaking-wisconsin-dems-hi...
Posted by Jim Hoft on Thursday, February 17, 2011, 4:49 PMGet there—–
The Wisconsin senate democrats fled the state today rather than vote on a budget repair bill.
If you are in the Rockford area please go to the Best Western and record video, take pictures and protest these irresponsible liberal politicians.
WREX: The senators ran to the Clocktower resort in Rockford.
UPDATE: TEA PARTY WINS!!
The Rockford Tea Party just chased the Wisconsin democrats out of the Best Western. They just boarded their bus and are leaving the Best Western!
Run, Libs! Run!
WKOW reported:
I have video coming of the Rockford tea party members chasing the democrats out of town!!!
UPDATE: I was told that tea party members are currently tracking the bus.
UPDATE: Local Rockford News is interviewing the Tea Party Patriots who chased the Wisconsin Democrats out of town.
UPDATE: The Wisconsin Democrats are heading north… Back to Wisconsin??? It looks like the Wisconsin border is only about 20 miles from Rockford?
UPDATE: TIME FOR A TEA PARTY CITIZEN’S ARREST!… I am offering $100 to the first person successful citizen’s arrest.
UPDATE: Please, Please, Please!! Let them turn south and head to St. Louis!!
UPDATE: They are reportedly back in Wisconsin. Let’s hope the cops were there to greet them as they crossed the state line.
UPDATE: Note to Wisconsin police- While you have these lawbreakers in custody, please check for liquor, drugs, tax records, legal residence, cash in the fridge and birth certificates. Thank you.
UPDATE: Wisconsin Senator Erpenbach. He says they are going to stay in Wisconsin for a while longer.
WKOW reported:
RUN LIBS! RUN!
But Libs are notorious for bad directions. Just keep them away from FL.
We already have Wasserman-Schultz.
That's not limited government, but sanctioned thuggery by the GOP.