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Wisconsin Democrats Boycott Anti-Union Vote By Fleeing State
The farce over the Wisconsin anti-union vote has just passed into the surreal. According to the AP, democrat lawmakers, who are firmly opposed to voting on the bill which is said to already have majority support, and who have been boycotting the vote by being absent from the state capitol, have now escalated and patriotically left the state. The reason is that while the vote can not take place without at least one Democrat being present, the police had been sent out earlier, with orders to sequester the democrats. The democrat response: run away. As the AP reports: "Senate Republicans can't vote on the bill unless at least one Democrat
is present. Police could be dispatched to retrieve them, but it was
unclear if they would have the authority to cross state lines." So to all who were expecting the latest iteration of members of the executive class to run away (with or without gold) to come from Africa or the Middle East, will be disappointed: it was in America's very own back yard.
From the AP:
A Wisconsin state senator says the 14 Democratic lawmakers who are boycotting a vote on a controversial anti-union bill have left the state.
Sen. Jon Erpenbach says the group wants to force negotiations over the Republican-backed bill, which would strip most public employees of their collective-bargaining rights.
Erpenbach told The Associated Press that he and his colleagues had left Wisconsin, but he would not say where.
He said the plan is to slow down the bill because it's "tearing the state apart."
We don't get what the big deal is here: just call Von Bernankestein's hot line and get him to deliver $10 billion, or trillion, it's all the same these days. These are the Chairman's favorite kinds of inbound calls. After all, the dollar needs all the help it can get to get to zero way ahead of everyone else. It is everyone's patriotic duty to go bankrupt and to demand bail outs from our money printing syndicate. Lastly, not doing so is racist.
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Please explain what thuggery you attribute to the GOP.
Using the budget as a political attack on one of their enemies.
As opposed to using a budget to attack taxpayers?
Using the "taxpayers" as a political shield only makes the thuggery more apparent.
Doubly so with the Wall Street guy in Ohio doing the same.
Removing bargaining rights has no budget-fixing purpose, only a political one. How will anti-union thuggery fix the budget?
It won't.
dup, go figure Why not.
Only East Coast of FL Joos would vote for Wasserman-Schultz.
What is it with NY Joos? I mean, how stupid is stupid?
That's not limited government, but sanctioned thuggery by the GOP and the Tea Party division thereof.
You dupped, and didn't even know it. lol Libs, unconscious.
How about people photographing the TP/GOP folks as well? Or do thugs don't like being photgraphed?
The bottom line that if supposed "teachers" were doing what they are intended to be doing our nation would not be in the situation it is now and our children would have some understandings of justice, the constitution, pride in their nation instead of global guilt and would not be more concerned about what Snooki is upto and more concerned with preserving their right as a soul to breathe, enjoy freedoms and have their wealth untaxed instead of believing it is owed to anyone but fire, sanitation, police, courts and military DEFENSE and not empires.
The bottom line is just like charities most unions have become what they hate...concentrated power that takes advantage. That is why democracy is a fail always an a republic is our best hope.
The best educations need to be at home. I wish I could send my children to the Austrian Constituionalist elementary school...
+1 exactly right on every point. What most don't understand is liberalism and conservatism at their hearts are righteous in many ways and the problem is that they have are merged and purged into one discombobulated powder keg hyjacked by Wall Sheeeet.
Mankind has been around for tens of thousand of years without Unions, pensions, full paid benefits, or 6 weeks of vacation a year. All the poor disgruntled public sector workers can finally go out and get those higher paying private sector jobs they keep telling us they would go get if not for the benefits packages they receive; PUT UP OR SHUT UP BITCHEZ!!!
Still not a reasoned way to justify Walker's (and Wall Street Kasich's) thuggery.
How about instead of envying their benefits, you work towards getting that for non-union folks?
There is no more money for anybody to get anymore benefits. Why is this concept so alien to the pro union crowd? That’s the funniest thing about these arguments; the Union side lives in some weird universe where there always seems be an endless source of more money. I'm sorry but this is Earth and we live in a state of existence called REALITY. In this state of existence if you don't have the money, you can't spend the money. If you are spending more than you are taking in; you have to cut back. Arguing against simple math is retarded; don’t these teachers know basic arithmetic?
The private sector is the soul of America and always has been. Public sector employees deep down inside are probably terrified of the idea of having to go out into the real world and make a living. I believe many a public sector employee's motivations was initially to circumvent that very prospect!
Hey Sethstorm,
I bet your one of those ungrateful public employee bitches aren't ya. Cause the arrogance in your comment shows just how detached you are from your employer...BITCH!
No worries your time is coming!
I am not a big fan of government employees in unions - however - I just have to compare and contrast the difference between the gubbmint folks who said of banker's bonuses - "we can't break their contracts - that would be illegal. We'll have to go to court. It violates the rule of law...etc." Meanwhile - they gave away $millions$ and $millions$ supporting scumbags that basically destroyed entire markets. Now, lo and behold - we will try to change the laws that deal with collective bargaining units/void existing contracts and doubtless end up in court - to save some millions...
I wonder whatever is the difference? /sarc off
JAC...You want bankers bonuses nipped in the bud then stroke your politicians to change their dumb ass policies.
Contracts will be broken when the public sector suffers the fate of Prichard Alabama, and it's coming, it is definitley coming!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/23/business/23prichard.html
After reading through this thread, can I suggest something to the site administrator? Please use more restraint in who you choose to editorialize on this site. Hint, no one with topics that attract free republic or democratic underground morons. Thanks.
+1
Now don’t go getting all aquiver sweetheart! Complete your second week here before looking to run the site…
+ $20 Ben Bucks says the guy has a PhD.
Hey JY,
Obviously your among the more intellectual and more sophisticated of the underground morons. Hm...Does your penis shrink inside itself too? Thanks.
Daily Kos, you fukking Lib. They ignore reality there, too.
What is this, a hostage negotiation?
(Daily Caller)- State Senator Mark Miller, a member of the missing band of Wisconsin Democratic lawmakers who fled Madison Thursday to avoid a vote on a budget bill, called into CNN with the group’s list of demands for Republican Gov. Scott Walker.
Miller, a state senator since 2004, would not disclose where he and his colleagues were hiding out, saying only “we are in what we consider a secure location outside the capital. We are not all in one place at this time.”
Miller’s demands focused on the collective bargaining portions of the bill.
“We demand that the provisions that completely eliminate the ability of workers… to negotiate on a fair basis with their employers be removed from the budget repair bill and any other future budget,” Miller said.
He also demanded legislative oversight on changes to the state’s medical programs, which are targeted for changes in the bill. The bill would also require union members to contribute to their health care and pensions.
Miller and 13 other Democrats went missing Thursday morning when a vote on a budget-repair measure was imminent in the Republican-controlled Senate. It would have passed the Senate after getting out of committee on a party-line vote late last night, so Democrats left the building to stall a vote on the measure.
Asked by a CNN reporter why he and the Democrats weren’t doing their jobs, he countered by saying Walker had moved the bill too fast.
“We will return to do our job, but the governor has to do his job,” Miller said. “He has to engage in responsible negotiations with the interested parties and he failed to do so…We need to be able to enter into a responsible dialogue and not one that is such a sham.”
Asked about the deficit the state is facing, Miller said Walker is ignoring the economy’s recovery, which makes reigning in union benefits unnecessary.
“The economy’s recovering and the governor is completely ignoring the fact that we have a… recovery going,” Miller said. “The only thing that hasn’t recovered has been the rate of unemployment.” (And what’s a recovery without jobs? -ed.)
Yet if the GOP did the same thing, such a departure would be defended.
TD - "...After all, the dollar needs all the help it can get to get to zero way ahead of everyone else. It is everyone's patriotic duty to go bankrupt and to demand bail outs from our money printing syndicate. Lastly, not doing so is racist."
I guess the vermouth finally ran out. It must be getting close to Showtime.
http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/02/shocker-obama-administrati...
Obama Administration Is Behind Chaos in Wisconsin – Students Used as PropsVids show the students don't even know why they are there.
Would you care, for a day off?
Students want to know WTF; they don't want more snow daze.
Cairo, Wisconsin
Laura Logan, you are needed.
(Luv bad taste, (deleted), even bad for me)
So, how many tens showed up for this CIT? Even a hundred?
(Just based on LameStream reporting; reported / 1000).
Doesn't work for conservative outtings, cuz they ain't even reported.
To you dimkimshi goobermint workers: is it taxpayers, or the Bernank?
God help me, I luv it. Morons biting the hands that feed them.
Corporate America Bought and Paid for a Vote to CRUSH UNIONS!!!! Now get your asses back there so the Vote can Pass...
Even if you dont vote!
Even if you are Gun Point!!
The Vote will still Pass!!!
Big Business Wins AGAIN!!!!
Tea Party is Republicant lite? what the fuck?
I Guess the Lobby Dollars are Flowing to the TEA PARTY NOW!!!
Oh, piss off with your cut-and-paste on every thread. May Laura Logan's ghost haunt you forever.
You go you good lil Big Business Whore... you get those working class peoples pensions!!!
HAAA HAA HA!!!!
You are the reason Bush won 2 times in a row, you are the reason the Country is going down the toilet... Kudos!! Great Job!!
Dont you have an abortion sign to paint or something?
I've heard of beer goggles, but democrat goggles? Wow, need to broaden your scope of examination and anger a bit. Only getting half the story.
in 1840, Abraham Lincoln was the leader of the Whig Party ( soon to become the Republican party ). Up for vote was a bill that would kill the suspension of Specie payment and require the state bank to pay in silver and gold. To avoid quorum and prevent the return of gold/silver payment. Democrats had locked and chaned the doors shut expecting Lincoln to do what he did: Order his party member to bolt the senate to avoid Quorum. Lincoln turned and DOVE OUT THE WINDOW of the Illinois senate, followed by his party members, and fled on foot from the legislature.
The founding father of the Republican party pionered this tactic. Guess he was a coward too, eh?
So, Biden is head of the 'plugs' party?
The founding father of the Republican party pioner(r)ed this tactic...
Whether this is equivalent to a specie payment by a state bank before the advent of the fed is equivalent to the action taken by a bunch of government union employees 100 years after its' institution is open for debate by future history students, I think you're attempting to compare sheep to goats.
The fact is only after 1913 was the class of "US taxpayer" established, and after the governmental powers at the time gave them the "authority" to suspend the constitution and give a private enterprise the right to issue currency in the name of the GFAC, (Good Faith And Credit), of the free US citizen.
US life and citizenship has never been the same.
Time to retake the title imho.
errr...I wasn't comparing the circumstances at all, just giving some background on the fact that what the Democrats are doing has a rather long and illustrious pedigree that started with the forefathers of the ones complaining the loudest. I take issue with those calling them cowards, to be precise. The cowardly act would have been to show up, shrug and play the victim card. In my opinion it takes a lot of balls as a legislator to actually flee your own state to make a point. Would have been way easier to simply show up, complain a lot, then have a villain to demonize and rile up your constituents with. If you were only concerned about your re-election, that would have been a perfect tactic. Seems to me they are pretty serious that they believe this is actually going to harm the state.
This has nothing to do with fiscal responsibility. This is akin to letting a bull loose in a china shop and calling it an inventory reduction event. I am not pro-union. I'm also not pro-retrograde extremism. It never solves anything. As a result of this, the public will become more polarized and less likely to come to any meaningful terms on proper courses of action. This will do nothing more that galvanize a conflict between factions. It won't solve anything in the long run at all, and its stupid. W
Every extreme action creates its own extreme response.
And it is the one I hate, and have argued against for a long time. When there is such a divide in the compensation models for public/private work, the de-evolutionary brain comes out as you mentioned. Fiat will be unravelled.
Hurts me to say it but ..... Gold for the Drs' Bitchez!
Trillions to Big Business!!! TRILLIONS of Dollars!!!
But the States? The Unions?
No... they are to Blame for the Country being BROKE!!!
$800 Billion in TARP funds would pay for 15 Years of Un-Employment Benefits ($2b per month carry)...
and then TRILLIONS MORE!!!! but it is the Unions, the Food Stamps and / or the Broke people causing the Country to suffer!
The Broke People dont have a Lobby! to insure TRILLIONS of Dollars this YEAR!!! This Quarter!!!!
The LiL Guy is SHIT OUTA LUCK!!!
TRILLIONS to Big Business while the States go Broke and not a fucking penny?
Sure the Democrats Love the people and the peoples rights... Look at Obama!!! HAAAAA HAAA HAA
you dumb fucks who cant wait for yet another penny to be stolen from the working class will soon get what you deserve. FUCKING QUOTE ME BITCHEZ!!!!
Could you remove the 'in FL' in your handle? You are a fukking embarrassment to FL.
But you probably voted for Wasserman-Schultz. Dufi don't know where SW FL is.
Notice you are a dip clone wannabe, so nevermind.
Wall Street and the Fed will have their day sir, just not yet.
But, the States live in the real world, they can't run printing presses overtime and bloat up the markets hoping for........well hoping for something. States actually have to balance their budgets and make real choices.
AND, if you are for the little guy, the workin stiff, you should be all for this because now those guys won't have to pay for the bloated benefits and perks the state employees get.
I agree with you.
If we bailout the banks and insurers and corporations why not bail out every citizen with a jubilee and no talk of robbing pensions, promised retirements, and entitlements that people have paid into for 20-30 or more years.
Hangings are the only thing that will fix this; hangings of the malfeasant.
Makes sense.
How many trillions were gifted to banksters and the fascist corporatist state after all is over? Let's add it up.
TARP + QE1 + QE lite + QE2 + Free Discount Window loans + 15% tax rate for carried interest + Tax cuts (900 billion this year on the extensions)
+ Military Industrial Complex payouts
+
tens of millions on salary plus tens of record millions on bonuses after I bankrupted my company and the STATE had to bail me out
+
Corrupted mark to market changed to Mark to Fantay (how much is that worth)
= 4 trillion dollars at minimum.
And yet we blame the unemployed, the 45K dollar income for teaching, the Food Stamps.
How hypocritical.
1...2...3...let's all cry for goobermint employees, they do so much for you and me...
(no Egyptian has a cell vid of Logan's gang rape? Moron stone-age types.)
Do Dimocrats even know what an 'oath of office' is?
Dims obviously don't know what the Constitution is....
Does the GOP know the meaning of limited government?
unfortunately, no they don't
Especially when labor unions are involved.
Take the next step.
Politics is the distraction.
Republicrat vs. Demican is a ruse, do you see it?
Wisconsin is toast, put it in the Canadia column.
+7 provinces!
Dead thread. Go away.
You argued with yourself for 25 minutes with no reply. Not healthy.
And you read it. Wannna try for 2?
Hm...I counted 24 minutes?
Like I want to hog all threads, like Libs do.
I'm happy here, like a spider, waiting for fresh meat.
You're a dumb cunt, mynhair.
Morons don't get multi-tasking.
God forbid they look at time stamps elsewhere.
You wanna talk about pensions? Tom Delay is still getting $80k a year.
Algore gets $400,000 a year. Yer point?
BFD - all the crooks that ever passed thru DC are getting that or more, and they ain't all republicans my friend. Now, for real corruption you just have to look to my fair state:
http://illinoisreview.typepad.com/files/pensionshandout.pdf
I guess I see why they raised my taxes 2% - at least WI has the balls to say ENOUGH!!!
First the Super Bowl, now this - woohoo, I'm headin' north up beyond the cheddar curtain!
Goobermint cheese! BooYah!
Down here in Texas we are laughing our asses off..basically these idiots in these unions actually believed the bullshit promised to them by the GOOBERmint???
They now hate the people telling them the truth instead of the liars who made the promises for 30 years and counting.Cognitive dissonance anyone??
These fuckers deserve NOTHING better than the private sector. To deal with the government is to deal with the bottom of the food chain, if not for the end of natural selection for humans- these parasites would not exist.
But just a thought. :)
and you dips in Tx let your dips escape for redistricting...
how's that Sheila Jackson bitch working out?
If the private sector treats otherwise good people like dirt, at least the government isn't as likely to screw them over. Unlike your state, us folks up north don't make a point to deliver everything to businesses on a silver platter and kid gloves.
The same private sector that would forsake them also will forsake you. One only needs to see offshoring and its use against regular folks in the US.
If it's so good, then why didn't it get put out in the open, and was about to be rushed through? Why not just ask for cuts instead of adding on a politically-charged action that has nothing to do with the budget or the conservative concept of limited government?
Simple analysis. Public sector has full promises for free-rides. Private sector has nothing... nada...zippo. Private sector pays the bills. Without even adding in the welfare issues, medicade, medicare, and social security, we are heading for an epic failure. Factor in those other goodies, and it should be painfully clear where we are headed.
Resistance to the math is what will lead the upcoming currency crisis of course. Politicians and the public will be center stage when then happens. Looks like Wisconsin is the open act of that play.
Wow. Fast "junk" but no answer. There must be public sector employee in the room who is offended by the concept that they were lied to. LOLOLOLOL.
Or people that don't agree with the GOP and TP using thuggery. Explain how the bargaining issue is a direct financial concern, is compatible with the concept of limited government power, and not a cheap political stunt?
yawn....... both parties suck my friend, just in slightly different ways at the moment. Good for Wisconsin - helpin out the private sector working stiffs by not forcing them with force of law to pay for bloated state bennies and perks. GO CHEESE!
And yet for all the cost cutting, taxes will never be cut and will continue to rise for middle class workers in Wisconsin. But hey, you sleep better at night paying for the governor's no-work cronies instead of your kid's teachers, right?
Public service sectory jokel XYZ: "What do you mean, there is NO MONEY??? There's always been money!"
+1
When the cash runs out, there will be alot of pissed off people whose resumes are going to be outdated and illustrate a career path that nobody in the private sector is going to want to touch with a ten foot pole. Sorry folks (those who take offense) but I know the private sector throws those resumes in the trash.
And, if you are still employed, you will be happy to have a job even if the promises of an island retirement with cocktails just went "poof" - because the alternative will look a whole lot worse.
The pendulum swings one way to the other... if you don't see the extreme part of the swing coming, you will not understand the reversal and what it means. In this case, we are talking about a supercycle movement - a winter that is upon us - a confluence of fiat, oil, boomers, globalization, etc. The "swing" at this point is the type that causes whiplash.
By that point, it may swing far enough that those folks will be able to force employers to hire them.
You might be right. That would be an awful nasty indicator of an impending trend reversal though. The consequences would be unfathomable. However, I really can't say that I would be surprised. In fact, I wouldn't. I appreciate the thought you put into this.
(I'd hope that wasn't sarcasm)
I'd rather see there be a way to deal with it that is voluntary. However, there are people who only want to use the opportunity to score cheap political points while the pendulum is in their favor. If this event is any indication of the pendulum's motion, it means that it is slowing down. The further it goes, the closer we get to a second FDR - or worse. If Walker or Kasich don't want to see their opposition in power, they would immediately stop trying to go for the bargaining rights.
Wasn't sarcasm!
Wisconsin, meet Greece.
Austerity sucks.
I guess Benny and the Inkjets are not buying enough of WI state debt to kick the can further down the road.
Bankrupt they are. Unable to service their fantasy budgets anylonger.
Repeat after me. There is NO MONEY.
I'm looking forward to an end to this bullshit.
No money? What? Who moved my cheese :-)
"I'm looking forward to an end to this bullshit." Amen to that brother.
Ha, ha. Moving Cheese. My company was all over that who moved my cheese thing a couple of years ago. While I agree with the core premise, I still laugh inside that the answer is that simple.
Everybody has to wonder why the union has to be busted, right? I mean, Walker can ram whatever terms he likes down their throats wtih the union intact. For whatever reason he likes. But why bust the union altogether?
The liberal spawn at MSNBC have an interesting theory. The real goal is to gut unions altogether. Why? It's not just to drag state workers into the same financial swamp everybody else is in. It's about politics.
It seems that it is only unions--public employee unions--that contribute significant money to political campaigns. Only three of them made it into the Top Ten contributors in 2010 (positions 5,6 and 9). The rest were groups on the Right. Employee unions support Democrats. The others, of course, support Republicans. It is Republican governors (the exact same thing is also going on in Ohio) who are going to battle against the public unions. The wonderful freebie here is that it would swing future elections to the Republicans.
Sounds crazy, maybe? It turns out that when Walker assumed office, he had a $124M budget surplus. He immediately cut $130M off corporate taxes to put the state into deficit. Think about it. In addition to the funny thing about busting the union, which would otherwise seem pointless. Of course, there are also three state employee unions that he is not hitting with cuts--the only three that supported him in the election.
The Koch brothers funded an anti-union campaign that was ready to roll before the unions even knew this bill was coming. Walker attempted to run it through 5 days after introducing it. Minutes later, Koch financed union attack ads hit the airwaves.
They bussed in "conservative" counter-protesters. The Tea Party and Republican folks who belong to the union are getting a real crash education about how it really is.
If you're an independent like me, this is a serious problem. A single party system, much as we discount the often superficial differences between the reds and blues, would be worse than what we've got. Add to this the corporate dominance we can expect as a result of Citizens United and you can see that corporate dominance is going to be complete in a short period of time without pesky union money to make things interesting.
If you're a knee-jerk liberal hater, that might seem like a good thing. But be careful what you wish for, bitchez.
Unlimited government power is fine with the GOP and TP if it means they get to vanquish a political foe.
The folks who support Walker and Kasich (as well as Walker and Kasich themselves) aren't conservative if they're willing to abandon the idea of limited government to slay unions. They're thugs.
Hopefully Kasich reconsiders his approach, and tries to lead for once. It'd be nice to see him not juggle thuggery and funneling the JobsOhio program to his friends like Kvamme. Otherwise he may find himself out of office as early as Walker.
Such a loser. Shame the public sector should share the pain.
Let's give them beaucoup bucks for zilch!
Just because the kleptocrat corporatists need to be locked up and have their stolen property taken back doesn't mean the kleptocrat unionists don't need to be locked up and have their stolen property taken back too. You can't do both with the same action, which means they need to be done one at a time.
There is zero legitimate excuse for government workers to be paid twice what private industry pays for the same work, but that's how it is. It must end, the 90% of them need to be let go, because at least 90% of what government does is predatory and unconstitutional (read, illegal and treasonist).
All conservatives (as they're called today) and all liberals (as they're called today) are guilty of treason, crimes against humanity, and general predatory behavior. They all need to go down. Who doesn't? Honest, ethical individualists who do not accept theft and enslavement by anyone for any reason whatsoever. All government must be by subscription, otherwise it is vile predatory evil. The whole shebang needs to go. Time for a total reset.
I might agree if there were any chance in hell of the kleptocrat corporatists being locked up.
Anybody know the ratio of private to public payroll in the great state of Wisconsin?
I see all this talk of the little guy being screwed here, but assuming the vast majority of WI workers are in the private sector then if they have to pay less for the bloated state employees benefits and perks - isn't that actually helping more of the 'little guys' than hurting them?
States can't just keep kicking the debt down the road like the feds can - they live in the real world?
WI Governor Walker tonight remarked there was >300,000 public (state) jobs. I don't know the private # jobs.
Some socialist dickhead pundit on propagandavision from WI said they just needed higher taxes to pay for the unions and it was the Republicans fault for running all the jobs overseas. Huh? He won't acknowledge that it's the higher liberal taxes is what is driving jobs overseas.
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Those figures just plain don't matter. We have the same fights, same lies, same FUD in Pennsylvania. 60K-70K employees in a state of over 12 million, who consume all of 3% of a $30 billion budget. The real fraud, waste, and excess never gets touched, but everybody loves to kick the public employees.
But we have a housing bubble because the private sector is blossoming here.
60% of US private sector jobs in total last two years reside in Texas.
All the Yankees have been a continuous stream since Jimmy Carter.
Hmmm, what gives?
Bastards think they are worth much more than they are...they watch the TV and think they deserve to live like a rock star when anyone in India can do their job.
LMAO
That'll make it that much sweeter when the South gets broken, again. That worship will meet its untimely end, and you'll have a ringside seat to things.
The US citizenship is why they deserve to not live in hellhole conditions or have drudgery wages.
We long for the day to set things right. You are shit and market forces have been proving it for years you entitled cause yankee fool. Your "skills" are available 24/7 India..
THE REASON WE RULE YOUR YANKEE ASSES IS WE BUILD SHIT-OIL REATED ETC.
YOU IDIOTS ARE SELF IMPORTANT OVERPAID GOV LOSERS>> IF YOU CAN't DO IT TEACH IT A HOLES!
The republic was lost when fools like ya'll were forced at gunpoint to fight against our freedoms and illegalally steal our monies to your federalists hubs.
It is comming NO CHECKS sooner than later for you self important leeches
Why so hot and bothered?
Well in other countries slaveholders were paid for their slaves and they were released... But not this country- Lincoln allowed 650000 be killed
They forced union soldiers at gunpoint in what amounted in the end of a republic and the birth of centralized power and the end of the Republic in the same sense as the end of the Roman Republic.
All I can say is we long for the day to be free of you Socialists down South and I'll leave it at that.
You will be taken from baked beans and hot clam chowder oven to the chicken frying pan.
Be careful.
Be careful what you wish for, since you may get it.
I would hope that it does not happen. If it does, you may want to look up what some Ohio general did to Georgia - and expect a repeat.
And where did the money come from to pay those slaveholders for their slaves? Oh, that's right, taxes levied by government against everyone else. Sounds like socialism to me.
Private businesses like to move their production to third world countries but still keep it inside the border. Thus they moved to Texas.
Who cares. Those Obama whelps will pay for it all.
No non-citizen exemption available anymore.
What a useless cunt you are, mynhair. Why are you wasting our time?
Cuz I make your life more than the hole it is. What is yer point?
Another dolphin in the canal, my fan club needs to wait.......
*Cobra Verde*
- ever see it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP_--8Twx6A
Dog, saw an Everglades rat snake once, though. At the end of the canal.
Me too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4glquMRJLF8
The food supply coming through the hole in the floor is about to cease
Always afraid those dolphins will bump their heads on the seawall, and turn into
ZH posters.
Frightening times.
Jubilee time.
Bailout everybody.
Don't ask why, ask why not?
Two Babycrats of Wisconsin caught hiding in Illinois to avoid voting.
Running away from citizen journalist camera:
» Profiles in Cowardice: Part I, Wisconsin Edition - Big Government
Profiles in courage indeed. Socialism sucks.
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You mean the Smear Merchant? The guy that has no problem with hiding himself when attacked?
I said once long ago 'can't we all just get along?' Apparently not. I used to see a ZH piece with hundreds of comments and think 'great - insightful comments, I will learn much today from those smarter than I. I will become more prepared than I was yesterday and be smarter for having spent time reading through it all'. Now, it's a lot of hate, a lot of flame, a lot of garbage. Still the best place around with great shit but far more flame-type bullshit. The point is we are fragmented badly here folks. This does us no good at all. How the hell are we going to deal with what is to come like this? We need to stand together, agree on root causes and some solutions, or at least preparations and reparations. This is about our countries, our world, what we leave to our kids. I mean come the fuck on man! All this red vs blue, liberal vs conservative, union vs non, dem vs repub vs tea BS is a complete and total waste of this space. We all know who the fucking criminal culprits are. Shit most of them are under spotlights daily - this is broad daylight robbery folks. Total regulatory capture.
ZeroHedge is among a small and growing cadre of true journalists, and in my opinion true patriots, serving to educate and wake people to the gross abuses and injustices tearing our economy apart day by day. And unfortunately, maybe it's also a victim of its own success. I'm all for free speech, but all the hate is just a waste of digital ink, and a waste of our time having to sort through the drivel. No wonder so many with great things to say have left. I worry about us.
Cui bono?
Our work, OR: Their guns!
"They" have to choose, they cannot have both.
I blame the teatards.
Agreed. Seriously. The fact that you are even using the term commies to dissect a 2011 issue shows what an outdated robot you are. Yer a commodore 64, dude. Farkinell.
Wow, what a cesspool.
I am totally astounded by the amount of non-working Libs that are up to junk postings.
Have fun on my dime, assholes! While it lasts.
I'm not all surprised that with people like the Kochs who have billions to waste some would spend a few bucks on degenerates like you to sow FUD and chaos wherever large numbers of thinking people might be found. That's serious bang for the buck.
Unfortuately, though you destroy the environment you discredit your cause in the process. Tell them they should come up with something less transparent.
The teaching community is very inbred and parochial. They go to specialized schools and, throughout their careers, rarely meet other professionals. During a six year stint as a school district business manager, with a degree and 20 years experience in governmental financial management, I was always regarded as an interloper by the teachers and administrators. Almost all of them actively disliked me, and never accepted that I had professional qualifications equal to or better than their own, but simply in a different field.
That being said, we also must realize that today's student, for the most part, is coming out of an environment of constant distraction - homes being mere television theatres where parents have little power to enforce personal discipline and respect for others. If you have ever worked as a substitute teacher, you know all you want to know about pandemonium. As Shakespeare said: "Hell is empty and all the devils are here." Teachers sometimes enjoy a feeling of accomplishment, but the stress is constant. So, in my opinion, they are qualified professionals doing a difficult job and entitled to decent remuneration. Very few districts were doing that prior to the unionization drives of the 60s. But the pendulum swings. All superintendents and most principals are now earning six figures. And in some of the wealthier districts, there are senior teachers at that level. If fringe benefits are added, many rank and file teachers also qualify. In New York state, the only counterweight to union power was the ability of all residents to vote on budgets. Bargaining sessions were high theatre conducted by the superintendent or his lawyer and the union rep. for the benefit of staff and board members present. But the unions and their captured legislators devised a way to get around the elderly taxpayers whom they derisively referred to as "gummers." For senior citizens, they devised a property tax subsidy which resulted in little or no school tax for them. They quickly lost interest in the school budgets and these elections were dominated by teachers and parents. Salaries and constrution projects expanded in our district, even though it had a declining student population. The union also conducted a campaign to reduce class size, requiring a larger staff. The district is now on the point of bankruptcy, closing buildings and reducing staff. Fortunately, I am longer living there to hear the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Elevating the worth of one mans labor above another through propaganda is the problem.
Taking Education out of the hands of the Govt. is WAAY past due...
In the City of Chicago, 56% of students graduate high school.
Still doing better than Los Angeles...
Amen!
This is starting to get crazy and losing any sense of what is wrong and right...
Not good.
Hey Bob!
You got an argument to make, or is 'cunt' your favorite word?
Cuz you never seen one.
What a pathetic empire.
Why would the state workers and the politicians NOT protest?
Big Picture: this is not about Democrats or Unions or Republicans or Austerity or any of that other bullshit.
This is the start of the end game of screwing the many for the sake of the few; be it people or corporations, banks, and government entities.
Utter collapse is the only conclusion; or in the case of Wisconsin...udder collapse.
Udder collapse: What happens to the tax-paying cow when too many public employees suck down all the milk...
Hey, Bob, ya dumbshit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5_57PF7HwM&feature=related
I can not see what everyone is getting so upset about. Am I reading correctly? $139M??? That's a rounding error where I come from.
California faces an estimated $28 billion budget deficit through June 2012.
That's billion, with a 'B'.
http://sunshinereview.org/index.php/California_state_budget
Just means even larger riots in your state -- enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-LjL2yyVZo&feature=player_embedded
Best post, article, whatever, EVER. I just spilled my drink and I don't even care.
Austrian Economics.. you entitled (Yankee) fucks must make a dollar before it exists..
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I'm like fuck you....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pc0mxOXbWIU
"Apres moi, le deluge"
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"It's a tsunami. Previous paradigms no longer apply.
Teevee, junkfood-addled Amerika could not withstand a currency collapse. The Black Plague made human capital valuable again - in modern application we have tens of millions on the gov't teat with no recovery.
http://www.martinarmstrong.org/files/Are-We-Running-Out-of-Other-People-...
All those 99-weekers waiting for jobs. What jobs? Doing what? The service economy is a fiat lie and our infrastructure is based on a constant flow of cheap oil.
Mortgage? WTF for? Prices are artificially high because of 1) shadow inventory 2) who can say they will be employed in their profession to make payments for 30 years anymore - no man is an island.
Stay nimble. Stay quick. This is no time for white picket fences. Going back to the sad, miserable, drugged-up state of our Nation it ain't a stretch to imagine that the Mandarin speakers are planning to make use of their raw (war) materials and spouse-less young men for "real estate acquisition". Hasn't anyone read a history book around here? The Chi-Coms have openly spoken of how they deserve North America. This kind of scenario isn't discussed because it is the worst-case scenario outside of nuc-bio-chem warfare, and then subsequent invasion.
"Oh, but China needs us and we need them." Bullshit. Everyone is buying time. The Chinese aren't stupid and they know they aren't getting their money back. Some finance guy over there said US bonds are not safe medium and long. In other words "We are trying to buy as much time as possible to acquire tangible assets that matter!"
All the survivalists from the 70's were wrong because they didn't understand the "Nixon" trick/effect of taking us off the gold standard and taking paper money to its extreme utility. It would have been better to face this shitstorm back then. Back when Americans were still eating meals that had real nutrition, no obesity epidemic, actual human interaction, strong infrastructure with less bureaucracy. Today it's all bloated beyond recognition.
When the Fed finally makes a move that has a visible and real effect on Amerika even rationing of supplies won't keep the interurban areas content. We are at the brink of a f.u.n.d.a.m.e.n.t.a.l. shift. Be far away from the millions that require a weekly check for their very survival."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ9Wj8GyrDU
This could be serious. EU emergency funding up by 15x in 2 days
http://dawnwires.com/investment-news/something-brewing-eu-emergency-fund...
I think its really simple. The states are broke so there are two options:
F%$& the Tax payers (like in IL and CT)
or
F&#@ the Unions (like in WI)
Hehehe
Some of these ex government workers are in for a surprise when they think they will get a mid level management job in the private sector when they get "right sized" from their government job, but as one poster noted people who have to deal with profit and loss statements dont view a ten or twenty year career in government administration as real experience. Those CV's definitely are tossed in the trashcan immediately.
To clarify for the confused unemployed bureaucrats, people who survive by producing things are not interested in a skill set of someone who is adept at navigating around complex bureacracies. People who are expert in process are not welcome. Small business in general prefer alexander's out of the box thinking when confronted with the gordion knot.
TheOnion America.
It's living with the insane. You look around and scream "these fucking people are insane". The crazies look at you quizzically, shrug their shoulders, stare at the threetards on the tv screen and resume their chatter.
Never trust a junkie.
Sorry to say, but the US is a bloody joke.
The public sector leeches are just as bad in Old Blighty, zoo-brit.
The Packers just won the Super Bowl. Now shut up and take your haircuts. Remember, at least half of you couldn't make the same salary in the private sector.
More like anti-leech than anti-union; these guys don't pay for anything except campaign contributions for their politician friends. When public unions need to get their contracts approved by the private sector public, I will have some respect for them.