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Wisconsin Democrats Boycott Anti-Union Vote By Fleeing State
The farce over the Wisconsin anti-union vote has just passed into the surreal. According to the AP, democrat lawmakers, who are firmly opposed to voting on the bill which is said to already have majority support, and who have been boycotting the vote by being absent from the state capitol, have now escalated and patriotically left the state. The reason is that while the vote can not take place without at least one Democrat being present, the police had been sent out earlier, with orders to sequester the democrats. The democrat response: run away. As the AP reports: "Senate Republicans can't vote on the bill unless at least one Democrat
is present. Police could be dispatched to retrieve them, but it was
unclear if they would have the authority to cross state lines." So to all who were expecting the latest iteration of members of the executive class to run away (with or without gold) to come from Africa or the Middle East, will be disappointed: it was in America's very own back yard.
From the AP:
A Wisconsin state senator says the 14 Democratic lawmakers who are boycotting a vote on a controversial anti-union bill have left the state.
Sen. Jon Erpenbach says the group wants to force negotiations over the Republican-backed bill, which would strip most public employees of their collective-bargaining rights.
Erpenbach told The Associated Press that he and his colleagues had left Wisconsin, but he would not say where.
He said the plan is to slow down the bill because it's "tearing the state apart."
We don't get what the big deal is here: just call Von Bernankestein's hot line and get him to deliver $10 billion, or trillion, it's all the same these days. These are the Chairman's favorite kinds of inbound calls. After all, the dollar needs all the help it can get to get to zero way ahead of everyone else. It is everyone's patriotic duty to go bankrupt and to demand bail outs from our money printing syndicate. Lastly, not doing so is racist.
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Boycott, bitchez.
Oh yeah! Let's pile on these working stiffs and give the bankers a free pass...
obama already calling it "assault"; just like those white boston police, right?
http://realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/02/17/obama_on_wisconsin_collect...
I am not saying that the public worker unions demands has been reasonable but let us first start with the big money rip-offs. When you see the banksters getting a free ride, why pick on the little guys -- let's them also demand a free ride and maybe something better will come in it's place...
they pick on the "little guys" because the big guys don't turn on each other and work as a syndicate to protect each others interests...while the little guys are easily manipulated to turn against each other. That's why so many in America consistently vote against their own best interests...because a big guy told him to do it.
It's the result of the divide and conquer tactic.
well said
The fruits of that divide and conquer tactic are displayed in full glory in this thread. Just scroll down and watch the dems vs. republican finger pointing evolve into a frenzy of useless grunting ultimately accomplishing nothing for their own benefit while behaving exactly as they were conditioned to: attacking each other...against their own bests interests.
Americans seem completely incapable of learning from history or cooperating with one another to oppose the very thing that suppresses them. They instead accuse each other of being the cause of their discontent. It's tragic on an epic scale.
When you see someone proclaim that the dems are better than the repubs or vice versa...know this for a fact: you have met an idiot.
Absolutely spot on!!!!!!!! +2 Titties
. . . and an ass, apparently.
cant one of the repubs switch to being a democrat (DINO) for the vote?? weird rule.. not sure it was explained correctly
anyway its not really the union's fault they want other things than just $$$ for compensation which are all skyrocketing... Ben needs all serfs to just take his $$$ and nothing else so he can piss labor costs down the china sewer
Hah! Nice....
ORI
Public Union Market Protectionism. That is all this is!
Public Union Market Protectionism. That is all this is!
Public Union Market Protectionism. That is all this is!
Public Union Market Protectionism. That is all this is!
Public Union Market Protectionism. That is all this is!
Public Union Market Protectionism. That is all this is!
Public Union Market Protectionism. That is all this is!
You're positive about that?
PROTECTIONISM, I SAID SO!
If the police can't get them maybe some of the millions of armed tax payers can gently pursuade them to return.......
This is astounding.
+ LOL RR
Yep. That sums it up. You could also call it "plunder", as in Bastiat's explanation of the term.
One of my favorite words.
Plunder: How Public Employee Unions are Raiding Treasuries, Controlling Our Lives and Bankrupting the Nation http://www.amazon.com/Plunder-Employee-Treasuries-Controlling-Bankrupting/dp/product-description/0984275207Elevating the worth of one mans labor above another through TV propaganda is the problem.
You know how you know it's getting near the end game?
The government starts to address the problem.
I love watching the Neo-Zionists Libel themselves.
This from David Horoble.
Ron Paul Is A Vicious Anti-Semite and Anti-American and Conservatives Need To Wash Their Hands of Him"And we thought the Fox News Hoax was bad!!!
Ron Paul has made a huge impact on America. After winning two consecutive CPAC straw polls, the corporate media and powers that be are pulling out all the stops in a bid to destroy Ron Paul and his support for ending the Federal Reserve.
Not only did Fox News pull a major hoax live on air, necon and devout Zionist David Horowitz has written a piece that labels Ron Paul and his supporters as Anti Semites.
In the hit piece, “Ron Paul Is A Vicious Anti-Semite and Anti-American and Conservatives Need To Wash Their Hands of Him,” Horowitz uses outright lies to label Paul and his “crazed” supporters as anti Jewish.
“For years the Texas crackpot, Ron Paul, has been attacking America and Israel as imperialist powers — the Great Satan and the Little Satan, and calling for America’s retreat from the battle against our totalitarian enemies. At the recent CPAC conference Paul’s Jew-hating storm-troopers swarmed the Freedom Center’s table to vent their spleen against Israel as a Nazi state,” wrote Horowitz on the noted neocon website newsrealblog.
Horowitz provides no evidence for his outlandish claims, opting instead for outright lies and half truths. Rather then the freedom orientated Congressman that Ron Paul has always been, he is painted as a Jew hating neo Nazi."
http://www.dailypaul.com/157514/neocon-david-horowitz-labels-ron-paul-and-his-supporters-vicious-anti-semites
These fucking Neo-Zionist Nazis need to be put in their place.
http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/17/ron-paul-is-a-vicious-anti-semite-and-anti-american-and-conservatives-need-to-wash-their-hands-of-him/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+nrb-feature+%28NewsReal+Blog+%C2%BB+Feature%29
Here is a great documentary on the Security and Prosperity Partnership(SPP). I suggest you watch as much of it as you can handle.
The Nation's Deathbed - Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZG-6T2GYx4&feature=related
best wishes but better get working on who his vice president should be, although if ron paul is elected, i expect a president boehner in short order after the first ever presidential and vice presidential assassinations, by (false flag) terrorists don't you know.
I'm tinkling Rand Paul or Sarah Palin. Palin has that name recognition thing going for her.
Careful! Those pointed heads are vulnerable to sharp pressure deltas.
where did you find that picture!
Love that pic.
The world is totally upside down.
The Muslims in Arab countries fighting for freedom.
Americans in the USA fighting to keep their comi-statist-socialism, ie public sector unions.
Am I in the Twilight Zone?
Cue theme music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2lSo5NbBCo&feature=related
LOL! :>D
No, you're just insane.
+++ well put
regardless of party affiliation, corruption, etc..
These people were elected to play by the rules of a system of government they took an oath to abide by. They can't just high-tail it out of the state because they are going to lose a vote against their fellow reps who were elected by their own constituents.
The worst form of government in history, besides all of the others..
The divide runs deeper than usual.
There are some that believe the government is the root of the problem as they make the laws. These want to keep the republic and wish would like the rules to be applied to all.
Then there are those that blame capitalism and actually invite Socialism.
Then there is the real problem, that being the politicians have given their power to Wall Street and are but puppets in the end game.
'blame capitalism' <-> 'politicians have given their power to Wall Street'
These are different...how?
Clymer, you are living a form of government that is so far removed from any notion of democracy/republic etc... it is th escam of scams, the UNITED STATES of AMERICA.
Once you get that, the rest is rhetoric at best and a massive dis-traction at worst.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-about-us/
Unfortunately, you are right. This socalled democracy is a fucking farce. Nevertheless, democrats are generally more representative of the people's interests, if only slightly, than republicans who are total corporate whores and will use any tactic for their purposes.
C'mon, be fair! Lots of democrats are very skilled corporate whores!
true enough (i'm registered dem) and some republicans (paul) are not working for the tbtf. but over the years, especially rather long ago (1932-1968) there was something to what he said.
lawrence, it goes deeper than that and i have to say both sides of the repub/democrat divide are as bad as the other. No difference at all. None.
Cue Pelosi's Jet....
One big SCAM! read the linked post above if you have 5 minutes. Then think, if all that was said on the floor of the house, why is Trafficant not in Jail for perjury if he was lying??
ORI
in some ways the dems (leadership) now seem more pernicious since they do it without the support of their base, in contradiction to what they say when campaigning and, by extending the errors (tbtf and police state) of w. bush they destroy the justification for two party politics and their own existence, as well as the faith of the electorate in the whole charade.
Woop-woop ock-ock*! <swings big bone over head and pounds the earth>
* participants on opposite side of water hole understand this to be a grave insult to their world view, but lack "bone" technology.
The forever dreaded "bone-gap". See Dr. Strangelove.
Wassup??
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyeKYQdYISg
8th rule.
^5
If there weren't dems vs republicans, who would the majority of people side against when things get bad?
It almost defies logic that you have been junked.....
.....but my faith in our society is extremely thin, so I guess not.
+1
my perception of society makes me question my own {in} sanity....
BS. The public unions, by in large, are an incredible rip off to the average working person and taxpayer. You have people retiring after 20 years with FULL pay and sick leave then getting hired back at full pay. They don't hire a young person because it is an inside deal. It is a huge good old boy and gal system which is bankrupting cities, states and America. I know of a firefighter in a local town making $300,000. He was exposed by a local small town paper. The next monring they found all their outside water spickets in their building had been running flat out all night. Typical union thuggery.
You got it. Thanks for saying it like it is. This is thievery from the rapidly diminishing productive sector, and the truth needs to be pointed out again and again until it sinks into enough people.
Are you sure that's because of conditioning and not just natural animal (human) behavior? People vote against their best interest because issues are complicated and most people are dumb. But I agree with you that arguing with or against a Republicrat is useless
Words of wisdom from an alien...but are you smarter than Watson?
TeamAmerica
"Words of wisdom from an alien...but are you smarter than Watson?"
Possibly not, but I have a penis to urinate on it until it shorts.
Take that Colosuss!
Do you have differnt "units" for different purposes?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byDiILrNbM4
Hell, let them vote. The affected will know where to vent their anger, when they run out of the resident Wisconsin repukes then some dumb ass liberal will be able to cross ref the stored mySQL IPs here against other DB's and have a whole new list. Easy Peeezy!
Good luck ya'll!
"the big guys don't turn on each other..."
That's why they let Lehman fail?
I doubt any big guys lost much in the Lehman deal. The ones that were screwed were the mid and lower level employees and unsophisticated shareholders who didn't get the heads up from Hank.
saudi prince warns of uprising. change needed.
http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/
Yes, exactly....
You need to understand who the "big guys" are
Everybody has to wonder why the union has to be busted, right? I mean, you can ram whatever terms you like down their throats wtih the union intact. For whatever reason you like. But why bust the union altogether?
The liberal spawn at MSNBC have an interesting theory. The real goal is to gut unions altogether. Why? It's not just to drag state workers into the same financial swamp everybody else is in. It's about politics.
It seems that it is only unions--public employee unions--that contribute significant money to political campaigns. Only three of them made it into the Top Ten contributors in 2010 (positions 5,6 and 9). The rest were groups on the Right. Employee unions support Democrats. The others, of course, support Republicans. It is Republican governors (the exact same thing is also going on in Ohio) who are going to battle against the public unions. The wonderful freebie here is that it would swing future elections to the Republicans.
Sounds crazy, maybe? It turns out that when Walker assumed office, he had a $124M budget surplus. He immediately cut $130M off corporate taxes to put the state into deficit. Think about it. In addition to the funny thing about busting the union, which would otherwise seem pointless. Of course, there are also three state employee unions that he is not hitting with cuts--the only three that supported him in the election.
The Koch brothers funded an anti-union campaign that was ready to roll before the unions even knew this bill was coming. Walker attempted to run it through 5 days after introducing it. Minutes later, Koch financed union attack ads hit the airwaves.
They bussed in "conservative" counter-protesters. The Tea Party and Republican folks who belong to the union are getting a real crash education about how it really is.
If you're an independent like me, this is a serious problem. A single party system, much as we discount the often superficial differences between the reds and blues, would be worse than what we've got. Add to this the corporate dominance we can expect as a result of Citizens United and you can see that corporate dominance is going to be complete in a short period of time without pesky union money to make things interesting.
If you're a knee-jerk liberal hater, that might seem like a good thing. But be careful what you wish for, bitchez.
Interesting.
Keep it coming.
If I'm a competent, productive worker, why would I "need" union representation?
Really?
Sadly, you are right. Both parties are criminally negligent, one-in-the-same republicrats. As long as voters salivate about mindless circuses known as elections and believe they solve all problems, corruption wins.
+1
Are people suffering from mass Irony deficiency?
The ultra mega rich get bailouts, TARP, QE1, QE2, FREE discount window money loans, 17 million dollar bonuses on top of egregeious salaries and 15% tax rates on carried interest. They gut the USA, they destroy its manufacturing base and then they prolong their tax cuts for ad infinitum and they punish the pensioner and grandpa on fixed income with ZIRP, if that was not enough, when there is a risk of interest rates going up they then do a double whammy on those less than super mega rich by destroying services. They want to destroy all safety nets, clean water and air protection, health, sanitation, everything! Their excuse is that the US does not have enough money for these basic services.
Wait a minute! If the US has enough money for TARP, QE1, QE2, FREE discount window money loans, 17 million dollar bonuses on top of egregeious salaries and 15% tax rates on carried interest and tax cuts totalling 900 billion this year for the super ultra wealthy then the US has enough money for basic services. How can anyone argue otherwise!
"Taking America back!"
To the dark ages, well at least the robber barron era. You can't get any more patriotic than a grassroots koch backed teatard crowd.
Agreed. But we both know its easier to attack things like this. Or health care (obviously the current version is crap). Immigrants, jails, etc. These are all small compared to the real rape of the country. But it gets peoples blood boiling and keeps people divided.
3000 protesting in Ohio
http://nakedempire.wordpress.com/
Our Govenor Kasich is fresh from Lehman and ready to kick some public workers ass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kasich
It seems his supporters wrote the first several paragraphs. Look at "private sector" and "public life"
This bozo is going to be clowning around much more I wager.
I don't think their blood boils; I think they're sheep and don't care.
"little guys" r u serious?
unions have almost as much $ and power as wall street and they own an entire political party
Nonsense. Unions have the Democrats and billion$, while Wall Street has the Republicans and trillion$. It's not a close contest lately (but watch the pendulum swing...).
Wall Street has the Republicans
So, why is there no repube in the WH again?
Libs, so hopeless.
Maybe because the surplus population is stupid, but not THAT stupid.
I guess you are though.
Wall Street money supported whom in 2008?
Both parties.
Wall Street money went to both parties-most to Dems in 08, but big money went to both. They pick the winner, not you.
Now the balance has shifted: http://www.zerohedge.com/article/two-thirds-wall-street-donations-now-go...
Step up and prove me wrong, I'm here to learn.
Wallstreet's contributions were 4 to 1 in Obama's favor in the 2008 presidential election. (If you want to call it that)
After Bush & Cheney even those fuckers couldn't handle another 4 years of Republican presidency.
Had something to do with the Wall Street meltdown in 2008, numbnuts.
You are funny, clinging to your lib/conservative paradigm, as if you could easily toss things into categories.
Come on now, have a little grasp of history. Corporatists are the problem. Because this loser in the white house calls himself a democrat and preaches pseudo-progressive platitudes doesn't let the republicans off the hook for 12 years of corporate crime-friendly legislation.
Wall Street has trillions because they have teams of elephants and donkeys to pull them
cant rewrite history. wall street gave much more $ to obama than mccain.
TBTF banks poured money into dem coffers not to mention all the silicon tech $
dems are the party of corrupt, filthy $
Then there are the idiots who get caught up in the red-blue bullshit.
McCain was no friend of Wall Street, and opted to use public financing. The big banks could not contribute to the Republican even had they wanted to.
Like you said - can't rewrite history, so please stop trying. If you seriously believe that Wall Street CEO's are Democrats, you are a complete fool.
If you look at a cross-section of Congress, you will note that the majority of Demoncrats are millionaire$. While neither party is in good faith able to claim they are the party of the average American, Obummer et. al. are the most removed and only operate in their own self interest.
C'mon. The Republican line is that there is nothing wrong with being rich - that Pursuit of Happiness thing and all. Why are you bothered by wealthy Dems and ignore the ocean of money amongst the Republicans?
How much money did Romney spend on his campaign again? Or Carly Fiorena? Or Christy Whitman? Hundreds of million$...there's no shortage of money in politics. Don't blind yourself thinking it doesn't cut both ways.
where does all that campaign money go?? you can make a hollywood blockbuster for less and the crap ads these fools come up with cant be where the money goes.. is it all bribes??
You must realize that CONgress is exempt from insider trading laws. You will go to jail, they will make millions. Party doesn't matter and none of them can spell morals or ethics. I think the Supremes are also exempt. Sweet gig.
If you seriously believe Wall Street CEO's give a flip about one party or another -- except how it effects their bottom line you are a complete idiot.
Your first point is correct. Your last point is very incorrect. Wall Street knew they had a friend in Obama, and they also knew that he was going to win. They're very adept at jumping on the bandwagon of who's winning and helping them across the finish line so that they can reap the rewards over the four years that follow.
All money in politics is corrupt and filthy. Not sure why you think so highly of the Republicans.
And Obama took no time turning his back on unions.
What makes you think that Dems = Unions?
Really? Helps if people get the facts straight...
Barack’s Wall Street Problem is Now America’s
http://www.noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/09/21/baracks-wall-street-problem-is-now-americas/
JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon Donates Serious Cash to Democrats
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2009/07/jpmorgan-ceo-jamie-dimon-donat.html
BS. Hssein and the Dems got all the wall street money and hedge fund money plus all the union money. The citizens of OH and WS voted to rein in the union scum and now they want to riot. Hopefully they will be fired. Their are plenty of people who need a job thanks to Hussein, Pelosi and Reid.
Take a look at the leaders of all the big Wall Street and tell me what their party affiliations are before you pop off...I think you'll find the majority are aligned with the Dems....not that it matters, they own both groups.
Wall St. has the Repub's... I take your comment to mean you think the Democrats are NOT run by Wall St. and the global banking cartel?
The sooner we look beyond the BS left-right paradigm and realize its a puppetshow pitting us against each other the better off we will be. Ron Paul won't get nomintated by the Rs because he would end the FED and the Wars. Kucinich won't get nominated by the Ds because he would end the FED and the Wars.
Please stop bickering about bullshit ideology and lets all focus our hate on the Criminal Reserve, demonspawn of Jekyll Island, pontificating, puppetmaster, pig men, cocksucker, motherfuckers.
I need a drink...
If you think that unions have much power today then you probably still think hippies and their new "rock and roll music" are a problem.
Public unions have managed to bankrupt how many states now?
The answer is: none.
All you need to do is look at the average income of the public sector vs. the private sector and then compare the retirement and medical benefits of each. Income is almost a 2:1 disparity and retirement bene's and health insurance are so far beyond the private sector you can't even compare the two. I'd say right now while the private sector is feeling pain (and the private sector creates jobs and income because they have to run at a profit) it's time to bring the public sector in alignment. Otherwise let's privatize public services...I'll take that all day cause its way cheaper and you'll get better people.
I've seen the studies too, and your numbers aren't even close to reality.
Income, including all compensation is about 1:1. Yes, you've been lied to.
if you have the slightest ambition you will quickly leave a government job.
I had the wonderful experience of being a Federal employee for a few months, the workers were split into 2 groups. Work started at 7:00, which meant any time before 7:30. By 8:00 half the group would go down for morning break (should be 15 minutes, ended up being over an hour) and talk about the other ones. Of course the second group would go down after that and talk about the first group, nothing positive to say.
Later there was a fist fight between 2 middle aged men, no one got fired. Night shift meant sleeping at work.
Watching many government employees is comical, they move at a glacial pace and have BMI's >>> 30.
I havent read much about how the shortfall came about. Is it just due to increasing number of people and rising insurance premiums? Or is it misappropriation of funds and bad investments by the State? I work for the military and I would not be surprised if the government started to charge me for medical and reduce my pension, assuming I make it to retirement.
You must be joking. There is 14.6 million of unionized workers in America and at the same time 7.6 million people employed just by financial industry. I wonder what is comparison between financial fire power of those 2 groups. Let's not to mention any other groups involved in power plays.
Yep, organized crime is everywhere...
Yep, I knew it. I should have been a kindergarden teacher instead of an engineer. Then I could retire with $80k/yr on the backs of the taxpayers. Does anyone know if they get medical retirement benny's as well?
Big time screeching outrage as teachers and others are asked to contribute to their pension benefits. Use google to find articles. Finally, some overdue public debate over "redistribution". I like your "back of the taxpayers" phrase. Not heard enough anymore.
my current litmus test amidst conversations to quickly identify the oxygen thieves will now apply to you; are you a democrat? republican? liberal?.....because this unfortunately applies to your comment. look up the Mkt% Jpm has in processing food stamps to start. then, if you pay any achtung to WTF is going on with "capital injection" aka money "printing" of the almighty FRN/USD(giving a question of legitimacy to your "tax dollars") you should be hard pressed to spit out anything not resembling rubbish about the whole "welfare"-state kaka that people spout about, when they BELIEVE IN THE SYSTEM.........becuz my friend you see its called a spectacle.....a ponzi........democracy........the greatest country in the world. in the end its all welfare. i suck on the state, we all suck off the planet and our children. you say i live easy on the back of "taxpayers"? ..........i say we're an infantile, foolish, tragic virus thats so pathologically psyco that this collapse/teotwawki/mad max theme will be by-passed by the immense buildup of cognitive dissonance over 13k+ years and the spectacle will drivel on for centuries.....pretty soon designer babies, DoD tech so pervasive "shucking the corn" to the Golden Girls will be outlawed and enforced, they'll eventually start rolling out ET tech they've kept tucked away....or zero point/CF/Tesla/WTFever and it....will.....keep.....rolling......along. viva le progress.
If you add up all the public employees paid by the American taxpayer, it adds up to some pretty big money. Because the banksters haven't gone to jail yet, doesn't necessarily give a free pass to the public employee to make demands. Sounds like a lot of people here are on the public dole. Eight percent raise for teachers, anyone?
“To examine the long-run implications of a gradual fiscal adjustment similar to the ones being proposed, we project the debt ratio assuming that the primary balance improves by 1 percentage point of GDP in each year for five years starting in 2012. The results are presented in [Figure 6.1]. Although such an adjustment path would slow the rate of debt accumulation compared with our baseline scenario, it would leave several major industrial economies with substantial debt ratios in the next decade.
“This suggests that consolidations along the lines currently being discussed will not be sufficient to ensure that debt levels remain within reasonable bounds over the next several decades. An alternative to traditional spending cuts and revenue increases is to change the promises that are as yet unmet. Here, that means embarking on the politically treacherous task of cutting future age-related liabilities. With this possibility in mind, we construct a third scenario that combines gradual fiscal improvement with a freezing of age-related spending-to-GDP at the projected level for 2011. [Figure 6.1] shows the consequences of this draconian policy. Given its severity, the result is no surprise: what was a rising debt/GDP ratio reverses course and starts heading down in Austria, Germany and the Netherlands. In several others, the policy yields a significant slowdown in debt accumulation. Interestingly, in France, Ireland, the United Kingdom and the United States, even this policy is not sufficient to bring rising debt under control.”
And yet, many countries, including the United States, will have to contemplate something along these lines. We simply cannot fund entitlement growth at expected levels. Note that in the United States, even by draconian cost-cutting estimates, debt-to-GDP still grows to 200 percent in 30 years. That shows you just how out of whack our entitlement programs are, and we have no prospect of reform in sight. It also means that if we—the United States—decide as a matter of national policy that we do indeed want these entitlements, it will most likely mean a substantial value added tax, as we will need vast sums to cover the costs, but with that will lead to even slower growth.
Long before interest costs rise even to 10 percent of GDP in the early 2020s, the bond market will have rebelled. (See Figure 6.2.)
This is a chart of things that cannot be. Therefore, we should be asking ourselves what is endgame if the fiscal deficits are not brought under control? Quoting again from the BIS paper:
“All of this leads us to ask: what level of primary balance would be required to bring the debt/GDP ratio in each country back to its pre-crisis, 2007 level? Granted that countries which started with low levels of debt may never need to come back to this point, the question is an interesting one nevertheless. [Table 6.1] presents the average primary surplus target required to bring debt ratios down to their 2007 levels over horizons of 5, 10 and 20 years. An aggressive adjustment path to achieve this objective within five years would mean generating an average annual primary surplus of 8–12% of GDP in the United States, Japan, the United Kingdom and Ireland, and 5–7% in a number of other countries. A preference for smoothing the adjustment over a longer horizon (say, 20 years) reduces the annual surplus target at the cost of leaving governments exposed to high debt ratios in the short to medium term.”
Can you imagine the United States being able to run a budget surplus of even 2.4 percent of GDP? More than $350 billion a year? That would be a swing in the budget of almost 12 percent of GDP.
http://www.investorsinsight.com/blogs/thoughts_from_the_frontline/default.aspx
bankstas should be in jail.
But any public employee pulling down $200K or a $100K plus pension is no little guy compared to me.
Because unions have immense power over politicians the public is now yoked to public-worker debt obligations that none of us voted for directly. Representative government no longer working for taxpayers.
The unions are "little guys"........good one.
maybe they went to cuba
http://www.620wtmj.com/news/local/116390569.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCPz2SzROFQ
Not sure u picked up what was put down
He who runs away today, lives to run away another day! Here in the land of the dreaming and home of the betrayed.
The American public is suffering Stockholm Syndrome while the globalist elite laugh all the way to the bank with our money. I can't even identify with most conservatives I talk to anymore because they have no problem with government intrusion expanding and taxes skyrocketing as long as a unionized employee somewhere, no matter how hard working or underpaid, gets a kick in the balls. Take your bullshit about fiscal responsibility/sustainability and shove it you state-dependent corporatist thieves.
Excuse me, I don't think you could identify a conservative if he jumped up and bit you, because this isn't the way the way I or the ones I know believe, or behave. The canard is very much what is believed and promoted as conservative belief by leftists who avoid discussing through such smears such as those at prominent left-leaning websites. I don't mind discussion but your assertion isn't that. Look to your own biases, please, before dropping such turds in the punchbowl here.
Hey, I post on gun forums and they're about as conservative as you can get. It's sick that if I want to keep my 2nd amendment rights I have to side with a mob of globalist apologists. Why is the choice always between having rights and having a job?
TALKING POINTS FOR DEFENDING GOVERNMENT UNIONS:
if you are against giving unions everything they want then you are for bankers
In truth, if you are for corruption, then you are for bankers and government unions.
If you are against corruption, then you are against bankers and government unions.
Perspicacious. :-)
platitudinous
The average Wisconsin public worker makes about $25,000 a year.
It's preposterous that people side with the statist-military-industrial-financial complex against their own. Wiping out collective bargaining rights -- which in itself saves nothing -- is just part of continued concessions to the complex.
The Founding Fathers fought against centralized, concentrated power. Now both parties are beholden and at the beck and call of such power, and the people are divided, and turned against each other, by diversions, false flags, and misinformation/propaganda.
Pitiful.
Bullshit. It's called leveraging the systemic corruption by a group owned by and loyal to the "statist-military-industrial-financial complex" - public unions. It's not class warfare, it's taking the pawns off the table.
oldest union trick in the book - talk in terms of some humble teacher and ignore the filthy rich and corrupt unions that feed off that teacher member
especially with the horrible public education system which defends incompentent teachers
LOL. You making what the average pubic worker makes? I think not! The unions are the only bulwark against worker oppression.
But of course you would disagree with me -- "Uncle Remus" in Song of the South was the happy slave of the plantation owners, no?
I call bullshit...cite your sources!
"Cite your sources."
The reply of the argumentatively inept.
My three ancestors who fought in the Revolutionary War fought for freedom from tyrants such as today's politicians and unions who steal money from some to give to others. Their sacrifice was made so that each person could keep their earnings, not steal from others the way you are twisting the story.
Your nome de plume explains it all.
Spell Chakah! Not in a Warlock way either!
;-)
Dizzy, it might be (is actually) that your ancestors fought for a lie tha has been long perpetuated.
Still is being perpetuated. The lie of freedom, democracy, ownership (of anything), self-determination.... all of it.
Till everyone wraps their heads around that, nothing will change.
It's too big to believe easily. Read below if called.
ORI
http://aadivaahan.wordpress.com/2011/02/16/truth-about-america-truth-about-us/
"Oh yeah! Let's pile on these working stiffs and give the bankers a free pass..."
This is not a Banker vs Working stiffs issue. This a Banker + Public_Union_Parasite_Bean_Counter + Politician VS Bend_Over_You_Stupid_Tax_Payer issue.
Here in California we have fighter fighters and police officers making 180K a year, retiring at 55 with 90% of their salary for life and the state has a $-28B budget deficit.
RU home skooled, BRO?
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BRO: your point about these "Unions" is a bull's eye. nice shot. i was IN this very union, once. they are pretty good for the COLLECTIVITY, but if you have an INDIVIDUAL problem w/ the city, county, or state you work for, you will be sold out, faster than you can even THINK Jude-aZ. my friend, pooh-bear, had the same experience. we lost our jubs for "non-conformi-taZe".
but in Wisconsin? isn't it more likely that the cheese-heads who OWN the Green Bay PackerZ, would rather just play in Canada next year, so they can own both trophies and throw forward passeZ on kick-offz, too? besides, i think the playaZ will strike next season, b/c the owners just aren't paying them as much many folks in public "service". .
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It's only fair to ask whether the fire fighters and police officers contributed 100% to their pension benefits over their careers, as did everyone I know.
If not, you have a legitimate complaint. If they didn't contribute, I agree with you.
Wisconsin Dems are using the same playbook used by Texas Dems a few years back.
When you are going to lose, cry about it and then flee the state.
I wonder if they also went to New Mexico???
Too funny..., I remember that.
They learned from Chicago politicians. They could be hiding out in public bathrooms in malls, what does it matter?
Fire all the politicians and take sovereign rights back from the fascist government....bitchez!
Absolutely. Mr. Hendrix for national office (you choose which one).
These are certainly extraordinary times we are living in..
contrary to popular rumor, unions are good for the economy. runouts like this have happened before. the stress is very funny.
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