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Wisconsin Democrats Boycott Anti-Union Vote By Fleeing State
The farce over the Wisconsin anti-union vote has just passed into the surreal. According to the AP, democrat lawmakers, who are firmly opposed to voting on the bill which is said to already have majority support, and who have been boycotting the vote by being absent from the state capitol, have now escalated and patriotically left the state. The reason is that while the vote can not take place without at least one Democrat being present, the police had been sent out earlier, with orders to sequester the democrats. The democrat response: run away. As the AP reports: "Senate Republicans can't vote on the bill unless at least one Democrat
is present. Police could be dispatched to retrieve them, but it was
unclear if they would have the authority to cross state lines." So to all who were expecting the latest iteration of members of the executive class to run away (with or without gold) to come from Africa or the Middle East, will be disappointed: it was in America's very own back yard.
From the AP:
A Wisconsin state senator says the 14 Democratic lawmakers who are boycotting a vote on a controversial anti-union bill have left the state.
Sen. Jon Erpenbach says the group wants to force negotiations over the Republican-backed bill, which would strip most public employees of their collective-bargaining rights.
Erpenbach told The Associated Press that he and his colleagues had left Wisconsin, but he would not say where.
He said the plan is to slow down the bill because it's "tearing the state apart."
We don't get what the big deal is here: just call Von Bernankestein's hot line and get him to deliver $10 billion, or trillion, it's all the same these days. These are the Chairman's favorite kinds of inbound calls. After all, the dollar needs all the help it can get to get to zero way ahead of everyone else. It is everyone's patriotic duty to go bankrupt and to demand bail outs from our money printing syndicate. Lastly, not doing so is racist.
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Not pro union at all, but a bit of context on this nut is in order:
The state doesn't actually need any austerity and WOULD have had a surplus this year if the same governor and republican senate hadn't immediately enacted a tax cut.
Even without the money allegedly saved by the bill, the state actually isnt in bad shape and could easily find money to stay balanced.
NO attempts to bring any of the unions concerned to a bargaining table and ask for benefit cuts were made. No attempts to have been made whatsoever to exact concessions from the unions have been made at all.
This sadly isn't really any form of fiscal responsibility, its just the usual partisain crap being acted out. If they had tried to negotiate and gotten no where, this would have a bit more legitimacy. Instead its just an angry Tea Partier beating up on his favorite punching bags because he was given the ability to do so.
Not the story I am hearing just across the border. Got links?
they are on the top of the page. didnt u read the story?
That and more youngin..
"NO attempts to bring any of the unions concerned to a bargaining table and ask for benefit cuts were made"
antisoshal,
Have you ever dealt with "any" Union ?
I didn't think so.
I have !
You are posting about something you have not one bit of knowledge.
I know many have seen this but I will post it again:
I owned (past tense) a Union Construction business in Chicago up until the end of 2010.
Had a high of 42 employees total including office staff (during peak construction in the summer 2009)
The numbers in 2009 are self explanatory.
Here are (1 carpenter) "Union" costs 2009
Hourly wage $40.77 per hour
Union fringe $20.32 per hour
FICA $ 3.12 per hour
Sut/Fut $ 3.28 per hour
Workers Comp $ 6.24 per hour
General liability $ .63 per hour
Total Burden $ 74.36 per hour
My overhead has went from 8% last year 2009 to over 22 % this year 2010 because of the drop in revenues.
So $74.36 x 22% OH = $16.36 per hour
Total Burden $74.36
Overhead $16.36
Total cost $90.72 per hour
$90.72 x 8 hpd x 5 dpw x 52 wpy =
$188,697.60 per year to employ (1) union carpenter and remember this does not include any profit
Try selling one (1) Union Carpenter for a 10% margin at over $207,594.00 a year (2010)
These numbers are from 2009 since then they (unions) have had a raise June 1, 2010 and will recieve another raise this June 1, 2011. Anyone in business knows that your Workers comp/GL is based on your employees income.
Those costs in 2011 will be over $103.00 per hour with no profit. $103 x 40 x 52 = $214,240.00 to employ 1 Guy for 1 year with no profit included. A 10% margin would be equal to trying to market one carpenter for $235,664.00 + a year
Its not like you can bargain with the Unions (this included Carpenter, Cement Masons, Laborers, Finishers, Tuckpointers and Bricklayers) so I told them to go f%ck themselves and sold in late 2010.
Good luck Biatchez ........................!
Hey Big Breakfast,
Don't forget all the unbillable/nonproductive hours you need to charge for too-- Set up, clean up, call backs, sleeping on top of the duct work, chatting, OSHA safety meetings and mandatory morning exercises (that's right). If you are a service oriented company, add in drive time too.
"My overhead has went from 8% last year 2009 to over 22 % this year "
Not only that, Threeggg, but I can sees you were also let down by a public school educator likes myself! ;-)
The sad part about that is, you didnt do anything for yourself after that ..........
I did ! ;-)
I'd rather deal with a union than the people who have no problem with the GOP flavor of thuggery. Especially when it means that the GOP/TP folks are willing move work out of country and promote more unemployment.
I wonder if we'll be sitting in a bar in Santiago, Chile in a few years looking back at these times wondering how we failed.
My first job was working in a warehouse part time after school. I started full time after high school to pay for college. It was a union shop so I joined the union. My Dad was the warehouse manager. He told me not to get caught up in the union "talk" at contract time. Whenever we were up for a new contract all these people I worked with were gung ho about going on strike if they did not get a deal they liked. My Dad told me to stay away from the loudmouths and do my job. He said they will always talk tough and never strike and will accept whatever the company offers. Through two union contacts my Dad was right. lots of tough talk about striking but these guys always accepted whatever piddly raises were offered and always contracts were approved after one vote. One day I asked my Dad why this always happened. He said he would tell me when I no longer worked there. So one time after I quit I brought it up with my Dad and he told me that at the negotiations for every contract the company paid off the union heads at the contract meeting to go to their members and tell them that this small raise was the best they could do. The members always accepted what the union heads told them to do. It was cheaper for the company to pay off the union heads than to give their employees decent raises. The union was The Chicago Truck Drivers Union. Google Chicago Truck Driver Union to see where these union leaders ended up. Corrupt as can be. Hated unions ever since!
Ha, Paul Glover. This was one of the guys in on the contract meetings.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-04-18/business/9504180115_1_johnson-pension-health-and-welfare-funds
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1995-01-20/business/9501200214_1_kickbacks-money-laundering-indictment
Thank you Threeeggg for putting reality into perspective! Your comment is a breath of fresh air for us non union business owners.
antisoshal
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2011/02/40-of-madison-teacher...
40% of Madison Teachers call in Sick, Schools Shut; Video of Massive Protest in Wisconsin Capitol Building; If Jackasses Could ThinkPublic unions objecting to Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker's plan that will save 6,000 jobs flooded the state capitol in protest. 40% of Madison area teachers called in sick.
Those teachers should all be fired. Unfortunately they cannot be fired because their union protects them.
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Walker's Proposal Not Extreme Enough
I have a problem with Walker's proposal. It is not extreme enough. There is no good reason to exempt police and fire and there is no good reason to allow any bargaining of wages.
Union workers can accept a wage offer or take employment elsewhere. That is how it works in private industry and that is the way it should work everywhere.
Millions in the private sector lost their jobs. Millions more took pay cuts. Public union workers have the gall to think they are special. This country has a severe problem with mountains of public union workers who think they are better than everyone else.
No one is special.
Teachers Should Be Fired
Every teacher who called in sick is guilty of fraud.
They cheated school kids out of a day of school. They cheated taxpayers who have to pay for it. They also placed tremendous burdens on many parents who were not prepared for school closing.
Amazingly, teachers are constantly whining about how they do everything "for the kids".
This clearly was not for the kids. This action by teachers was 100% for greedy teachers who walked out on their kids for their own benefit, at taxpayer expense.
There is absolutely no other way of looking at it.
Ok, as a state resident without ties to the democratic party, it's best to provide some facts...
Sorry. Not true. The state is in the hole this year a little and then next few a lot because of the spending binge (and poor revenue management) of the previous administration. I'll give a prize to anyone who can guess the party in charge at that time...
How do you figure that? The state suffers from the same declining revenues as other midwestern states and even with ridonculous rosy unicorn-fart forecasts has a projected shortfall of $3B (that's a B....) over the next 2 years.
In the end, if you want to argue against Walker because this bill exempts 3 unions (2 of which endorsed him), fine. That to me is the weakness of the bill. Otherwise, please STFU about things you clearly don't understand.
Are you implying that the other party... not the one that previously led the state... is incapable of spending binges?
It is so sad to see the "masses" turning on each other for this red/blue red herring. The whole system is corrupt and rotting. It needs to be... cleansed, and soon.
Disclaimer, I am not even from your country, so I don't support Dems or Repubs. Same bullshit here too.
Actually, no, I did not mean to imply that. I was pointing out the bias of the other poster to frame the false statements.
There is no difference between the 2 parties. Neither has any leadership or courage.
Not pro union either, but also don't think their avg pensions of $24K in Wisconsin is that outrageous. Would be in fine fiddle if the markets hadn't tanked a few years back and interest rates hadn't fallen to nearly nothing (to save the TBTF banks and let them make profits for no talent under ZIRP and POMO).
In California, on the other hand, pensions are much higher and more ridiculous with spiking and all kinds of other falderah. And, the "responsible" public entities haven't contributed to their liabilities in over 10 years so . . . would have been a terrible situation even without the market bloodbath a few years back.
Wisconsin Constitution sez 'absent Legislators can be compelled to appear'.
Ala Texas.
Dims are in a 'secure location', in fear of an enraged populace, ie., their supporters.
Rat bastards.
I beleive the 30,000 protestors support their absence. Sometimes i think this board is just a waste of time cause i remember when it wasnt a republican board but a finincial one. They're teachers for cris' sake not pencil pushing bureaucrats.Teaching is a hard job and 45,000 a year is good but hardly robbery. Go, go go ahead and junk me. i couldnt think of a more lame thing to do. Oh no ive been junked....waaaaaaah.
The average teacher makes $102,000 per year counting wages and benefits. That is whether they are the best teacher or the worst. If they are the worst, they cannot get fired. And if they are the best, but not the most senior, and the state makes cuts, as the governor says he will do if this bill does not pass, they will be laid off. This is not the best way to run such an important institution. Seems to me the single most consistent refrain on this site is that not enough people understand what is going on around them. Is our educational system blameless?
Where does the average teacher pull in that much? The fantasyland your head created? I applaud your imagination and I do like your avatar, seriously it's pretty neat, but could you show me some proof of this. My bro-in-law is a teacher and he dont make anything like that. or anything near it.
MI not WI, but close enough:
http://www.pressandguide.com/articles/2010/10/04/news/doc4ca62435e8c6006...
"Dearborn spent an average of $30,359 in benefits and taxes for each full-time teacher, according to an analysis of information posted on the district website. Teacher salaries averaged more than $70,735 in calendar year 2009."
As a teacher in Washington State, I pull in a massive $36,900 a year before taxes. That's with 3 years experience.
your salary is 37K. You probably get health, dental and other benefits like 2 months of summer vacation. Whats your total take with a grand total of three years experience.
I have no issue with good teachers in this country making an average of $102,000 counting wages and benefits (a fact, google it). My issue is that if you are a good teacher, and reading ZH is a pretty good sign that you might be, and you lived in WI, the governor would be laying you off (assuming the bill in question does not pass) and keeping a slew of sub-par teachers that have a few years of tenure on you. So says the union since they insure that pay and retention are not merit based. Seems to me that without the union the quality of the education provided children could only improve.
Methinks you've been beguiled by propaganda sir. You should be able to obtain the Wisconsen teacher salary pay grid from the net. It is also likely that you will be able to obtain information on their benefits package online as well.
I would be very suprised if any teacher in the public system in the U.S. made that kind of money.
Oh and, 100k /= 70k unless you are the product of Bush's No Child Left Untested's math program.
This is not the cost !
It is much higher as this only includes Wages paid to the teachers and benefits "Paid" to the Unions.
This does not include the "overhead" to Insure and administer the employment of these teachers.
Hey Ricky! I remember when people could spell 'financial'!
so all you got out of my comment was a spelling error? I know how to spell. But since we're launching stupid attacks, exclamation points are the realm of sloth and it's Rick. Rick masters. No one has ever caught onto the name....Willam Defoe? To Live and die In LA. A movie based on the treasury and a counterfit artist. ... I know there are erros in spelling...dont care. Attack my ideas. Thats fine. I could grow. You prob think im some liberal socialist, aye? It see,s that way from Ricky...changing it to the effeminte. Well ...o h well. maybe i am. i am no longer welcomed?
According to an article I read, the proposal is for union members to increase their pension and health care contributions by 8%, and that their salaries cannot increase more than the CPI unless there is a public referendum.
and doesn't apply to police and fire. Draconian!
Rat bastards.
Of course, they tend to vote GOP... Oh yea, and we get to do those great patriotic ceremonies to honour them when they die in the line of duty (always a poll popper).
Why don't you show similar rage and demand action against the financial elite that is ripping this country apart? You'd rather pick on your neighbor who is eking a living!
that's cause most on this board are probaby grumpy old 50 year olds. angry about ed. i mean education
From one Rick to another. You suck and are probably an ex-skateboarding 37-year-old punk-ass bitch.
Sincerely,
happy-57-year-old
Hmmm, interesting.
Please stop posting.
ROTFLMAO!!!
LOL - u just proved his point
seven years off, i be 30. sorry. i shouldnt said that. i apologize. i am an ex-skater though but at least im not still a skater.
+14 Law makers
Because this whole mess starts local! What is it we don't understand about how Wall Street came about all of this money!
Excellent question!
People here are becoming enraged at unions, who I agree can be abusive and sometimes lazy, and yet those same people show much leniency towards the real KLEPTOCRATS in this country. The banksters and financial elites have stolen a million times more per person than any teacher in a union. That is a 1,000,000:1 ratio and I am probably being too easy on the banksters.
Everybody's rage should REFLECT this ratio. If you are angry at unions then you should go nuculuar on the banksters.
It is just common sense.
Like that old plutocrat from the 19th century said: "I can hire half of the poor masses to kill the other half"
those are the financial concessions. The rest is basically stating that Uinions loose all power to negotiate ANYTHING and must face a complete re-organization every year. The effort to re-organize every year would eat up a substantial amount of logistics, and then when they were done they would have no reason to be there anyway. Its a fancy way of wording "render union powerless".
so?
Based on your user name, I am not surprised by this.
A wrong doer posts as a tortfeasor thinks.
Love to see Harry Reid hijack Air Force One over the repeal obamacare vote..
"Take me and Micheal "fat azz" Moore to Havana and nobody gets hurt."
He will buy Real Estate, rezone to slave labor factory and double his money..
brave sir robin runs away
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZwuTo7zKM8
When you see these protests, you suddenly realize just how many have been sucking on the government teet.
http://tinyurl.com/6fmo52e
......and the media NEVER voices the fundamental reason for this huge expansion of government.
http://tinyurl.com/6ldpqq3
bingo, bingo, bingo
+1000
+1 more.
-1001
Karma four eyes ;)
If you're gonna talk about sucking on the government teet...you'd be more correct to point the finger at GS, BAC, JPM, C, and the vast number of DoD contractors who profit from endless wars and the little cottage industry of Mercenaries like Blackwater that has risen to great prominence in recent years instead of pointing the finger at the $30,000 a year school teachers as examples of "sucking on the government teet".
Agreed o na Federal level, but the state of WI has problems unique to WI so it starts there.
this isnt about "$30,00 a year school teachers" its about multi-billion dollar corrupt unions that buy votes and get paid back with taxpayer funds
+ Local 666
BTW that's da gubbmint t-e-a-t, not teet. Yer thinkin' of tweets & such
Just have a Republican convert to a Democrat for 24 hours and proceed with the vote.
Problem solved.
How does that get a quorum?
If they abdicated by defying an order to appear and vote, they resigned. Just have the Governor appoint temporary replacements.
So you're willing to go around the law to explain thuggery?
Why am I not surprised?
Creeps are probably in Canadia - no extradition for capitol (sic) crimes.
The taxpayers of Wisconsin need to pick up some ax handles and show these union parasites who the boss really is. They serve at the pleasure of the taxpayer yet they think they are entitled to limitless riches because they are government employees. I'd fire every damn one of them and start running ads nationwide welcoming the unemployed across America to their new jobs. They'd have ever position filled inside of a week.
So you want people who unqualified to teach your kids. No wonder your state sucks. Oh wait your not in Wisc. So how about you demand that of your state. whatever state that is.
You are young Rick.. I went to a teachers college for my undergrad which is all most of them have, most teachers majored in drinking, doping and socialism 101. I could teach any class you like except English, hate grammar can u tell?
There is no mystery in teaching. Unqualified ha, tell me why they are qualified.
Haha, good luck with that. It is funny that most people who don't do a job, think said job is easy.
Qualified by whom? The NEA? that's a freakin joke, the same people that brought you "No Retards or disfunctional crack babies left behind". School Boards should be given the power to hire and fire back to the smallest common denominator, the district. The used to have the means to review and eliminate the suck ass idiots and fags from the rosters. Power is less abused when it's kept as local and visible as possible. Give the power back to the locals who have kids going to the schools in the district.
Jasper has the right idea. All govt. employees are overpaid and receive benefits most of the taxpaying public cannot afford for themselves. That alone is inequity on a grand scale and why I deny to pay taxes whenever possible. I can't afford Blue Shield Extra Platinum health coverage and neither can most of the people in my county, but all the public "servants" have it, paid by us.
Something wrong there.
Rick Masters is misguided or delusional, thinking he has answers, thinking teachers actually care whether or not his kids get properly educated. Grow up, Rick. They don't give a shit and they system needs a reset. Teach your own kids if you want them taught right.
There's a thought.
I suspect that the level of civil disobedience and/or insurrection would rapidly increase in the Badger State.
On the other hand, you'd probably have an outstanding labor pool of highly-qualified applicants showing up from all over the country, so there would be an upside to such a proposal.
Hope these "taxpayers" bring knives to a gun fight. Walker's thuggery has no excuse, and it does not represent any bit of limited government.
"start running ads nationwide welcoming the unemployed across America to their new jobs. They'd have ever position filled inside of a week."
Maybe some of those "rubber room" teachers who can't be fired but are collecting a paycheck can be recruited for WI.
On the other hand why would they willingly start working again? These bums are in public sector union heaven.
They are parasites... they won't give in to the will of the ballot box.
i THINK THEY ARE ALL AT CHARLIE RANGEL'S PLACE IN Puerto Rico. And he's charging them
Move the capital while they're out of town. That'll fix 'em good.
Latest: Wisconsin Fish & Wildlife is on the job with non-lethal traps.
tranquilizer
While I was a lifetime private sector employee (my pension and retirement healthcare have already been eliminated), I view this attack on Public employees as an attack on labor; period. Therefore I hope those protestors sit in and do whatever necessary to get their demands met.
This is NOT about public employees getting some sort of free ride. It is about class warfare, with the rich 1% as represented by government, driving the populace into poverty.
No, it's about their free ride. Try again. Think of the starving children, deprived of their school breakfasts, lunches, dinners, and snacks!
You are 100% full of crap. This is about getting this State out of bankruptcy and this is the correct way to do it.
The correct way to be fiscally resposible is too give tax cuts to the rich and cut the bargaining rights of teachers which doesnt save money or is just that you like to pick and choose who gets what. Isnt that what people like u scream about. Death to unions, you cant determine bankers pay that is socialism. clarification please.
Not one person here has advocated that! We hate the thieving bankers as much or more than you, they need to be tarred and feathered we all know that. WI has fiscal problems so the work starts in WI, no worries they are coming to a state near you next. When WI is responsible for the SEC not the feds you can yell at WI for not reining in the banks etal.
Why pick on teachers making 40K a year. That's a living wage not extravagent. And if i read the story right it's basically a death knell to their union and the bargaining rights as workers. yes some teachers are greedy and many unions take advatage but lets negotiate not annihilate.
Rick these are closed shops you have to join to teach. When you join and pay dues,the union uses your dues to get people elected and then "negotiates" with the people they just got elected, see the problem.. It has to end, the money is gone.. The good times are over, starting here and then hopefully you and I tar some bankers and toss'em in the Hudson later..
i am afraid not. This about government that is to big, with too many employees making too much money with too many benefits that have no accountability. Teachers, Firemen, and police do not walk on water and do not earn the riches or nobility most bestow on them.
salaries, benefits and pension need to be S L A S H E D. The economic producers, those in the private sector are fed up.
This is about the union laborers accepting political favors from the politicians in return for the bribes they submit. This is about the politicians promising mathematically impossible benefits because the risk is not borne be either the politician or the pensioner.
This is about the mathematical laws of nature crying "BULLSHIT".
This is about time.
When the public workers accept any of the same risks that the private citizens who fund them endure, maybe they'll have something to cry about. Until then, they should be part of the solution and just STFU.
Fine, I'll play along with this. I don't dispute what you have written. Now if they could only do this with the lobbyists, we'd really be doing great.
I agree that in most cases unions abuse their power. But this does appear to be class warfare.
This is not rich v. poor or powerful v. weak. But make no mistake, bitches. It is class warfare. It is the taxpayers against the entitled-class.
These government parasites think that we should be forced to support their lifestyle, for substandard performance to boot, while private sector salaries are going down.
Yep lindaamick and I bet you didn't see it coming did you?
When is enough enough? When your pension, retirement and healthcare are eliminated. Yes indeed!
I live in Wisconsin. Starting salary for a public school teacher is around $42K. They get full pension (no crappy 401K) and 100% free medical coverage. They get the whole summer off with pay plus vacation on top of that. Their pay scales go well up into six figures. Nobody in the private sector has been compensated that richly for similar work in over 20 years. God Speed to our new Governor. It's high time public employees started sharing the pain with us private sector wage slaves.
This is the RIGHT way to get this State out of bankruptcy!
Exactly, and while Joe the taxpayer has watched the Dow Jones hang around at the 10,000 to 12,000 level for more than a decade, the pensioners get the promise of a guaranteed annual increase rate.
News Flash - the world has not delivered that number (thank you banksters).
So the public pensioners want the gov't to look over at Joe Taxpayer's virtually unchanged pile of money (almost certainly he has savings or investments that have to deal with real, not fictional results), and say "give me some of that so I can give it to the public employees".
Bull. The risk/reward continuum is so f*ked in this country. THAT is the problem. When the public sector has to absorb the consequence of their actions, when the risk is theirs again, only then will this country have a chance.
Sounds like you are upset no one told you to become a teacher. Summers off?
A teacher teaches 40 kids per year for 40 years, affecting 1600 future citizens. 1600 good citizens is worth a lot of money. I'm all for paying that price. However, the issue is that the unions are getting in the way of insuring that all teachers are teaching well. Poor teachers cannot be fired and excellent teachers have no better chance of promotion. Perhaps if the unions were a little less powerful, we could work on better ways to encourage consistently better teaching.
Tada! Unfortunately there are unions cuz cons would have teachers working for minimum wage.
I look at it like this, the NRA doesn't dare budge on any infringement on the 2nd amendment lest some law passes that takes away the right to carry 400 round clips.
The unions can't budge because then the teachers would be working for fresh eggs and week old bread.
I know some teachers. It sucks. They work till all hours of the night grading papers and making up lesson plans when instead they should be at my orgies. (The hot ones anyway)
there is a day. In one case its called your birthday, about 23 years ago. There is another day, in the future, maybe tomorrow maybe later, its the day you die. Nobody owes you fuck all between the day you are born and the day you die.
Blow me, you and all the cock sucking union scum that you represent.
And neither are you entitled to labor at a price you choose, that's what scum like you always conveniently forget when you go on a rant about entitlements.
Also, I think your facts are incorrect on the union vs. non union teaching. I think current studies are showing that non union school districts are holding on to the dead wood longer than are union school districts. Point is unions are having little to do with the scenario you describe. Don't believe -- check it out yourself. Now, I'm coming from a place (Las Vegas) where it is extremely easy to hate unions which I do. But the facts is the facts.
Sorry for the OT but I got this note from a trader I follow.
"SOMETHING IS GOING ON/OR DOES SOMEONE KNOW SOMETHING. THERE IS A LOCAL COIN
DEALER I SAW AT LUNCHTIME. HE SAID HIS SUPPLIERS HAVE DOULBED THEIR MARKUP TO
HIM IN THE LAST 2-3 DAYS. DOES THIS MEAN TIGHT SUPPLIES???
More important---IF you know the management of any gold/silvers that trade
on the USA pink sheets and or bulletin board, then WARN THE MANAGEMENT!!! The
large USA clearing firm PERSHING is telling some regional brokers they cannot
buy/sell those shares at all. Severe penalties can be imposed for trying to
trade those issues. SO---what's the answer---IF at all possible canadian and
other companies need to get NYSE ARCA listed as soon as possible. As
well---USAA, the large insurance company/brokerage firm for the military, is
now restricting the transfer of these shares in/out and will not accept
deposits of such shares if held in the persons name.
TO me, it's some kind of electronic revolution/revolt."
Does anyone know anything about this? I notice that some of the junior miners aren't really following along with the action today and am wondering wtf is up? Anyone with any insight?
Tulving is showing the same premiums they've had for three weeks. Supply is good as well.
Wow, this is great entertainment: simultaneous tragedy, comedy, farce, drama and reality. Like Dave Barry says, "You can't make this stuff up!"
OK, great show, I really enjoyed it, fabulous and fascinating: but now it's time to go. Wait - where's the damn door? WHERE'S THE DAMN DOOR?
Try punching that button 2nd from the left labelled 'sell'.
Anyone know what is wrong at the Watchtower? Been down for over two hours.
If you're talking Turd, it comes right up for me.
heavy traffic day, for obvious reasons, but he's got new posts, and hasn't been down for me either.
There are thousands of qualified teachers that would fill the positions.
Thousands of qualified state lawmakers to fill the cowards positions too. (mirror fog test)
Get the DOG on their ass. and his scary wife.
Time to define the narrative and etch it in stone...
The DEMOCRATS HAVE SHUT DOWN THE GOVERNMENT !!!
When I saw the pictures of the capitol today and the protesters, I thought to myself this is just the beginning. There will be many more pictures just like that in the coming years, groups of social security recipients, medicare recipients, unemployment recipients, SNAP recipients, ect. This is just the start, and these folks aren't even hungry, just mad because they have to pay a little for insurance and retirement. We have not seen anything yet. This is not about unions, power, broken promises, this is about the death of the American Dream. Wait till they all wake up, and begin to comprehend that rampant inflation means they don't eat.
How dare they compare their plight to the poor of Eygpt. Bunch of greedy government bastards.
O/T, cumon AVL, spike a big green vol at close.
And while everyone is fighting over this or that, the elites are frantically loading the last of the gold in their towncars.
ya got that straight. although we only buy the dips.
Everyone in that picture could also be loading up their Accords with silver and gold, also. Instead, they are the teachers teaching our next generation and they have no clue.
Wisconsin on the edge,,,and the cutting has only barely begun.... say .25% of where we need to be. With Congress already afraid of the 2012 elections, this is stark proof that we are headed to hyerinflation=default....
Does anyone have the cajones to propose a change in term time to 6 years for both the Pres and Congress ?
Wisconsin state Dems....wow, talking about a need for a good bitchslapping session... how disgusting.
Pull a Hank Paulson
"Give us 700 billion or your children will be sacrificed to satan, firey meteors will fall upon the Earth, all volcanos will erupt at the same time, you will all be struck by lightening and choke on noxious gas, and 6 packs of 6 lions will rape your grandchildren 6 times in a row. By the way, we need that shit tomorrow morning...so"
7 out of ten times...it works everytime.
This article's a little national review online for my taste. The whole lower-case "democrat lawmakers bit and all. ZH is usually good at avoiding the red team-blue team feud. I dunno how well Wisconsin pays their public employees. I do know that a lot of states shit on theirs, but the talk radio types want to scapegoat them for the downturn and government bankruptcy.
Sorry, but it is the Dimocratic lawbreakers running away. I know, truth hurts you Libs, but WAKE THE FUCK UP!
Agree 100%
The true leaders are making the hard choices. If you can't afford it, you can't afford it.
What the fuck is this with LAWMAKERS RUNNING OUT OF THE STATE? They are pieces of shit and should resign.
"The true leaders are making the hard choices"
Really, serioulsy you are kidding right?
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"What the fuck is this with LAWMAKERS RUNNING OUT OF THE STATE? They are pieces of shit and should resign."
Looks like the ultimate filibuster to me. And, at the Fed level how many of those did Republicans stage in the 111th congress? 120+?
Layabout lawmakers aren't cutting their own skyhigh wages, benefits, and pensions, are they? No, these "hard choices" are always about dumping shit on someone else. Cry me a fucking river.
It's all theatrics to me. I don't care much about any lawmakers. Seems to me you're pretty deep into the Dems vs. Repubs stuff. I'm of the opinion that that's who needs to wake up.
Wake up! This is WI progressive heaven, no worker is shit on here.
Teachers are using students as props in their protest and the kids don't have a clue what it's all about. Video included.
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/2219050128.html
Sacre Bleu! Next thing you'll tell me is there's gambling in this establishment!
Tuen the lights on and they scatter. They should update their team mascot from the jackass to the cockroach.
Tell the Wisconsin authorities to go the legislators' cousins' houses because everyone in Wisconsin either dates or is married to their cousin. Or just look in jail because they probably are on their 7th DWI by now. Bunch of alcoholic inbreds. The best thing that could happen would be to give Wisconsin to Canada or Nigeria. But even Nigeria would not want Wisconsin.
How is that union shitpool Chicago doing?
Oh, overpriced, mob-controlled, lots of crime. You know, the usual.
Chicago has a Democratic tradition because the mobs run the unions and the unions all go Democrat because that gets them jobs. Wisconsin/Minnesota/Iowa/Dakotas all go Democrat because they are all Scandinavians and for some reason all Scandinavians live in this utopia world where there is no conflict and everyone is nice. It's like a Norman Rockwell painting. Unfortunately the real world works more like Chicago.
"Unfortunately the real world works more like Chicago."................untill...
LOL!!!!!!!
Tyler your going to want to get the first 15 minutes of Dylan Ratigan on here. He has Issa and has the director of Inside Job and is asking the question "Why has Holder not brought a single prosecution"
Former SEC employee stated, "Wall Street owns the Congress"
The director also stated neither Holder nor anyone in the Obama administration would be interviewed for the film.
Demonrat cowards...lol RUN AWAY!!
Blame the politicians, and the central bank and the corporations facist state along with the large banks for screwing over the american people. I repeat union people are more american than the board members, after all they do the dying when the shit hits the fan. The board members cause the wars with their greed.
Maybe the tea baggers in wisconsin will remember what the movement was all about before it was hyjacked by the repukelicans. It was to bring the bailed out banksters to justice, and a full accounting. Somehow this tea party movement ended up on Cavuto, ohh I,m going to puke I just said a bad word!
Tea party has been hyjacked (sic), but I won't let you hijack to the other end of the incorrect spectrum. The Tea Party started to get government back to doing only that which is allowed by the Constitution and to stop spending money. It had nothing to do with bankers, even though any good tea-bagger will tell you that enforcing laws we already have would be good thing.
Of course LaRouche has some pretinent words regarding Wisconsin and is spot on....
The Mass Strike Comes to Wisconsin, Inspired by Egyptian Protests
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17521
LaRouche: It's Time to Throw Obama Out of Office in Order to Save the Nation
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17518
Obama, the Worst Republican President Ever, Targets Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17513
Off-topic... CNBS - Pisani near the close... " hey, the market is... up again?"
LMAO
Silver market looking real good up a couple hundred percent since 1999, DOW only up 6% since then. Dollar market looking a bit green around the gills.
But why were the minor miners not behaving today? Maybe tomorrow...
Egyptians have demonstrated one powerful aspect of crowd behavior, in their case, a national 'stand-in', 'sleep-in' cum work strike.
We need to expand on the powers of crowd behavior, such as to surround the legislature with 50,000 right-minded citizens - while the legislators are still inside, which will require some planning when the next similar vote conflict develops.
Not good using 'cum' and 'Egyptian' in the same post.
Boy, it's good to have a poof reider and a speel checker around here, thanks mymhiar.
Someone above said starting pay for a teacher in Wisc. is $42K. That is false.
We are 4th largest district in state...it is actually mid-$30s with a Masters degree...less than that if no Master's. $50K after about 8 years with Masters.
http://teacherportal.com/salary/Wisconsin-teacher-salary
$46,390 average for 9 months work, then add in FREE HEALTHCARE NO COST TO TEACHER and DEFINED BENEFIT PLAN. Cry me a river... Get it through you thick heads there is no more money for public sector to be paid ANY better than private, the ride is over, the math does not lie..