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Wisconsin Governor To Issue 1500 Layoff Notices Unless Fugitive Democrats Return To The State

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In addition to "stagflation" which we announced in January would be the word of the year, we now have a new contender in the running for what may soon be the most popular word for the next 10 months: "escalation." To wit: in addition to everything happening in MENA, escalation has now struck right in our own back yard, after Wisconsin governor Walker announced he would fire 1500 state workers unless democrats, who have been fled and are hiding in Illinois to avoid a critical vote on collective bargaining, return to the state. Reuters take on this word: "The threat of layoffs increased the stakes in a bitter battle between Wisconsin Republicans and Democrats, a fight being watched around the nation as other states like Ohio and Indiana weigh rolling back public employee union power as part of budget-cutting efforts." Of course, 'escalation' could go hand in hand with 'broke' which is the third and last "word of the year" contender: "Earlier this week, Walker declared the state
"broke" when he unveiled his proposed two-year $59.2 billion budget for
fiscal 2012-2013, which eliminates more than 21,000 positions and cuts
funding to education, cities and counties." Whether this will result in so far peaceful protests turning violent as "austerity" which was the word of 2010 comes to the shores of the US is for now unknown.

From Reuters:

Republican Walker told reporters late on Thursday that "extremist elements" among 14 absent senate Democrats had blocked progress in negotiations on his "budget repair bill."

"Just when we think the process is moving forward, we see no action," Walker said. "We're frustrated."

The Democratic senators fled to Illinois two weeks ago to deny majority Republicans a quorum and a vote on the bill, and behind-the-scenes negotiations have failed to produce a compromise. Just one Democrat is needed for a quorum.

Walker said some of the absent Democrats, who have been threatened with $100-a-day fines and the prospect of being taken into custody if they return to Wisconsin, appear willing to stay away "not only for several more months, but potentially the next two years."

With no action expected on the bill, Walker said he will be forced to send out layoff notices to 1,500 state employees, saving some $30 million.

"The reality is, we shouldn't have to be going down the path of preparing for layoffs." Walker said.

Further validating the farce:

"If they (Democrats) came back tomorrow, for example, we'd still try and see if we could talk to our bank and see if we could push this (refinancing) forward because it's much better than losing $165 million in savings," Walker said.

The Capitol has been besieged by pro-union protesters, some camping out in the stately building, though the last group left late on Thursday after a Wisconsin judge ordered them out to allow cleaning crews to do their work.

Protesters claimed victory in the case, as Wisconsin Judge John Albert said authorities cannot deny the public access to the Capitol building. After business hours, people must leave or be in violation of state law, the judge ruled.

If this is the way politics in America will be done going forward, when any party knows the only way to prevent passage of austere financial measures is by fleeing, one wonders: just what is the point of the US "democratic" system when a minority can hold up the majority just by taking the first one way taxpayer funded private jet out of the state?


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Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:02 | 1019393 AN0NYM0US
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just what is the point of the US "democratic" system when a minority can hold up the majority


funny thing is that was the same thing Reid and Pelosi were saying in the last Congress about the Senate Repubs

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:06 | 1019410 Spastica Rex
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Yeah, Democrats vs. Republicans; it's hard to tell the difference without the manual.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:07 | 1019424 John McCloy
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New pages are added every day here at ZH.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:28 | 1019545 financeguru500
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Can we just call the Republican vs Democrat debate for what it is.... BULLSHIT

This ridiculous act of hide and seek going on right now in Wisconsin is bullshit.

It's like this.(hypothetical situation)

Imagine a car breaks down on train tracks just as the safety bars are being lowered and a train is approaching off in the distance. In the car is a republican and a democrat. The republican is yelling lets get out of the car and run for it. The democrat doesn't want to lose the car so he's instead closing his eyes and putting his fingers in his ears saying "Nah nah nah, I'm not listening". Meanwhile the train is approaching faster and faster.

The situation in Wisconsin is like that. The train is coming and there is nothing that can stop it. You ignore it and everyone loses, or you ditch the car run for it. But the fact of the matter is neither party really has the populations best interest at heart. All they are doing is doing what they think will get them more votes later on. It is actually a really disgusting sight to see.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:33 | 1019571 dlmaniac
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Heck yeah!!!

Reagan-ate those public union parasites all. There are millions of unemployeed people capable of filling their positions.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:54 | 1019667 Vergeltung
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yep! we need a Zombie Reagan to come back and PATCO their asses!!  :-)

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:59 | 1019701 JW n FL
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I Love it when the People in the "Trailer Park" start throwing rocks at people that live in the "Ghetto".


Or reverse that... either way, as long as they both stay far away from my gated community.


Republicant or Dumbocrat... doesnt matter... all that matters is who writes (pun) them the check..

They are all LOBBY MONEY WHORES!  

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:02 | 1019709 illyia
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And, escalation leads to nuclear war.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:09 | 1019739 Bob
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Law of the jungle is b-a-a-a-d, not fair, etc. when it's used by the guys with more power than you in the case of the banksters, but it's a sacred right when you can use it on people with less than you is how it sounds. 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:18 | 1019781 JW n FL
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I guess Bob I should have said I was being sarcastic? becuase its you first fucking day here and you didnt already know that? really? this is what you offer me... I would have expected better, honestly.. from you. maybe not the others but you????

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:00 | 1019965 Bob
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Whut?  Chill, man!  Either my post didn't line up right or you're misinterpreting me. 

No, not me. 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 22:59 | 1021272 Xkwisetly Paneful
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Government should attempt to provide the most services for the least cost. The goal of unions is to do the least work at the most cost.


Spin this indisputable fact anyway you want union bot.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:16 | 1020016 LFMayor
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Jason, does your probation officer know you're here?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:48 | 1020157 superman07
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JW You are a tool. That is all.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:17 | 1019772 flattrader
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JW, just remember that when you have your vitriolic induced heart attack it will be a first responder, more likely than not a union represented public employee, who puts your ass on a stretcher and drives you out of your "gated community" to the hospital.

>>>MADISON, Wis. -- David Rhode is a paramedic in Middleton, Wis. He works 56 hours a week, mostly in 24-hour shifts, frequently carrying wheezy patients up and down flights of stairs. He said he earns about $43,000 a year. HuffPost asked Rhode, 36, how it feels to be overpaid. His eyebrows went up. "I drove my Ford Focus here," he said. "I live in a 950-square-foot condominium!" Wisconsin has become the front line in a national debate over pay and benefits for unionized public workers, with conservatives arguing that people like Rhode have become a privileged class overburdening taxpayers.<<<

Good luck with that.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:21 | 1019788 JW n FL
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how easy the regulars get off track. just one little pebble and poof off the fucking rails we all go for 10 fucking posts...

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:19 | 1020033 LFMayor
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Jason, tell us what really happened when you were in Shawshank prison, trucking a gangsta legit malware rap and popping and slidin.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:43 | 1019880 ArgentDawn
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They're all volunteers here, no pay or compensation whatsoever, same amount of work.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:53 | 1019929 IrishSamurai
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Since facts aren't your strong suit ... let someone who can read help you out:

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 07:12 | 1021702 Absinthe Minded
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I understand the $100K sounds like a lot, but it would appear a lot more reasonable if the fucking insurance companies

weren't hiking their premiums by 20% every fucking year. How come those cocksuckers never have to tighten their belts!

Yeah, I'm fucking telling you how I really feel.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:51 | 1020519 LowProfile
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I'll do that job for $39k.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:13 | 1021410 StychoKiller
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Perhaps Mr. Rhode should consider this:  WHY is the Govt supplying a service that the Private sector can do?  WHO is being subsidized?  Is Govt POWER more important than our collective values/morals?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:45 | 1020485 ft65
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Quoting JW n FL / ^TrInIty^ / J.L. / J.E.W.

>>I Love it when the People in the "Trailer Park" start
>>throwing rocks at people that live in the "Ghetto".
>>Or reverse that... either way, as long as they >>both stay far away from my gated community.


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:14 | 1020306 eddiebe
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What ? We need to get rid of all the unions so the individual is up against the power of corporate and the state? That will lead to lots of $2.00 hr jobs.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:54 | 1020542 LowProfile
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90% silver is now 1:25, so $2/hr in 1964 money would be $50/hr.

...Kinda puts prevailing wages way back then in perspective, don't it?!

Oh and fuck your public unions, and fuck private unions too if they try and throw in with those parasites.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:22 | 1021427 StychoKiller
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Haters of Wal-Mart have trouble explaining why hundreds of people apply for jobs at Wal-Mart whenever there is an opening or continue to want to work for them when they move, as Platt describes when he goes to his training session:

A week later, I found myself in an elite group of 10 successful applicants convening for two (paid) days of training in the same claustrophobic, windowless room. As we introduced ourselves, I discovered that more than half had already worked at other Wal-Marts.  Having relocated to this area, they were eager for more of the same.

Why? Gradually the answer became clear. Imagine that you are young and relatively unskilled, lacking academic qualifications. Which would you prefer: standing behind the register at a local gas station, or doing the same thing in the most aggressively successful retailer in the world, where ruthless expansion is a way of life, creating a constant demand for people to fill low-level managerial positions? A future at Wal-Mart may sound a less-than-stellar prospect, but it's a whole lot better than no future at all.

In addition, despite its huge size, the corporation turned out to have an eerie resemblance to a Silicon Valley startup. There was the same gung-ho spirit, same lack of dogma, same lax dress code, same informality – and same interest in owning a piece of the company. All of my coworkers accepted the offer to buy Wal-Mart stock by setting aside $2 of every paycheck.

Platt's account of what he experienced is entertaining and informative. His economics is good too:

My starting wage was so low (around $7 per hour), a modest increment still didn't leave me with enough to live on comfortably, but when I looked at the alternatives, many of them were worse. Coworkers assured me that the nearest Target paid its hourly full-timers less than Wal-Mart, while fast-food franchises were at the bottom of everyone's list.

I found myself reaching an inescapable conclusion. Low wages are not a Wal-Mart problem. They are an industry-wide problem, afflicting all unskilled entry-level jobs, and the reason should be obvious.

In our free-enterprise system, employees are valued largely in terms of what they can do. This is why teenagers fresh out of high school often go to vocational training institutes to become auto mechanics or electricians. They understand a basic principle that seems to elude social commentators, politicians and union organizers. If you want better pay, you need to learn skills that are in demand.

The blunt tools of legislation or union power can force a corporation to pay higher wages, but if employees don't create an equal amount of additional value, there's no net gain. All other factors remaining equal, the store will have to charge higher prices for its merchandise, and its competitive position will suffer.

This is Economics 101, but no one wants to believe it, because it tells us that a legislative or unionized quick-fix is not going to work in the long term. If you want people to be wealthier, they have to create additional wealth.

To my mind, the real scandal is not that a large corporation doesn't pay people more. The scandal is that so many people have so little economic value. Despite (or because of) a free public school system, millions of teenagers enter the work force without marketable skills. So why would anyone expect them to be well paid?

We have been brought up by the progressives (liberals) that without stealing
from our neighbor, there is no way to help the poor and those that need help.  That is the biggest lie every put out there...and most of the American people have fallen for it!


Big Brother is NOT your friend, he's a slave-master!

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:31 | 1020086 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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More like this:

Lets say after a wild party, in which it was discussed the punchbowl would be taken but never was, a young pretty girl passes out in a side bedroom.  We'll call her Amy Ricanpublic.

A fat asshole in a red leisure suit wonders in to pee on the rug, sees Amy and begins to dip his genitals in her open mouth.

Within seconds a skinny hipster in a blue sweater-vest also enters looking for valuables to steal.  He sees the fat asshole and runs out yelling at the top of his lungs that the fat asshole is about to de-cherry Amy.  Fat asshole pulls his pants up and runs out to say its all a lie.

The other party goers start questioning fat asshole and he gets a bit defensive.  Meanwhile, skinny hipster doubles back into the room and inserts his wang into Amys anus.

I think this is a better description.  Amy Ricanpublic is getting violated no matter what until she wakes up.  And even if she does she has to be strong and tough enough to defend herself.  If she doesn't move fast and decisively enough upon awakening fat asshole or skinny hipster will call all their frat buddies to come hold her down and all get a turn (I forgot to mention they are both in a fraternity for older people that still drink and rape women if they can get away with it.  That parts important too).

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:04 | 1020242 tarsubil
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This shouldn't get junked. Politicians are scum. It is like the budget. We all know politicians are scum. We all know that the budget is FUBAR. But we still love our scumbag and don't think our pet project should be cut.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:18 | 1020329 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Everyone wants to be the body part that gets a little action despite the body as a whole getting fucked. 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 18:14 | 1020604 financeguru500
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Lol, People on Zerohedge are so quick to junk. Just look at all the posts below this, about 90% of them have at least 1 or 2 junks.


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 20:03 | 1020943 Buck Johnson
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Actually the unions and Democrats agreed to the budget cuts and pension reforms that Walker wanted and needed, they just didn't want to get rid of collective bargaining.  Even Walker on the phone with fake Koch was saying that was the most important thing.  Because what they will do without collective bargaining the state and local govt's can change anything they want in the work contract.  They could make teachers come in 2 hours earlier in the morning in order to help with the school and setting up for the day and also give them time for their classes.  Or lets say this time in the Parks and recreations dept in a county that is having financial difficulty, they decided to put he workers on 4 day work weeks to clear a whole in the budget (for a few months or a few years).  And if they don't like it then they are fired and new workers are hired and they may be just part time.

This was only a very small example but you see without collective bargaining, it makes it real easy for the managers and bosses in the political system to control or punish workers at a whim by using the govt. bureau machinations to hurt the worker or a class of worker. 

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:29 | 1021439 StychoKiller
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This was only a very small example but you see without collective bargaining, it makes it real easy for the managers and bosses in the political system to control or punish workers at a whim...


Welcome to the reality of the Private Sector!  Life is NOT fair -- get over it! Now ask yourself:  WHY is the Govt supplying services that should be performed in the private sector?

To Gov. Walker:  SELL ALL THE SCHOOLS!  Privatize them.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:35 | 1019580 flattrader
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You know better than this,

>>>just what is the point of the US "democratic" system when a minority can hold up the majority just by taking the first one way taxpayer funded private jet out of the state?<<<

They drove south and are holed-up in various crappy motels.

And if the majority vote to loot the state and payoff billionaires with no-bid, no-review sale of state energy and wealth producing assets, yes, I agree, what is the point of democracy?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:41 | 1019622 Jean Valjean
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Easy there Karl.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:49 | 1019647 flattrader
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So, you endorse kleptocracy as long as it's "democratic" and billionaires profit?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:57 | 1019692 IrishSamurai
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Get the Kochs!  <gnarling and gnashing of teeth>

Can I join your union now?

/sarc off

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:07 | 1019730 flattrader
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Yeah, but you'd have to work for a living.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:12 | 1019744 Bob
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Law of the jungle is b-a-a-a-d, not fair, etc. when it's used by the guys with more power than you in the case of the banksters, but it's a sacred right and devout pleasure when you can use it on people with less than you.  It seems to make perfect sense to these guys.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:22 | 1019795 IrishSamurai
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Not sure who "deez guys" are that you're referring to ...

But the tangental argument regarding the Kochs' and WI private/public sector utilities ... and public sector collective bargaining ... and "the bankstas" ...

That dog don't hunt.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:40 | 1019861 Bob
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Dat dog don hunt?

Your obtuseness is clearly deliberate (that's a compliment I'm gonna risk here.) 

Walker's impasse is easy to solve: Drop the ban on collective bargaining.  It's 100% in his hands.  Collective bargaining does more than increase wages and benefits--it also addresses issues critical to the public welbeing such as class sizes, staff-patient ratios and caseloads, appropriate workloads (lengths of shifts, etc.), training, administrative issues and more--all things management is often motivated to ingnore in order to either save a buck or pad their own salaries and paybacks to priviledged private interests. 

Walker has complete power over the money issues.  He has no defensible excuse for refusing to talk with the people who actually do the work, however.

He's a transparent bully at best. 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:56 | 1019934 flattrader
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No kidding.  A majority of posters here seemed to have missed the fact that the unions agreed to the wage and benefits issue almost two weeks ago.

This is about union busting and the ability to loot the state for the benefit of billionares without that pesky political opposition in the way.

He's going down.

Walker has lost his "conservative" union vote and his swing vote.

He will be recalled in 2012.


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:59 | 1019961 IrishSamurai
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Listen ideologue ... the billionaires don't need to "loot" the state of Wisconsin.  The busting of the collective bargaining has to do with WI being on a course for IL/CA status ... but if you live in WI and want to head down that road, go ahead.  Both of those states will make Detroit look like a paradise when the public unions are finished with them ...

There are some bat shit stupid posters here at ZH, but you are rapidly climbing the ranks ... congratulations.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:43 | 1020134 flattrader
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Ideologue?  Pot, kettle, black my friend.

You also may want to note that in addition to being a hypocrite you are an ill-informed hypocrite.

No budget crisis.

Even Shep Smith from Fox can see that.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:00 | 1020204 IrishSamurai
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Once again ... facts are more persuasive than propoganda ...


And from someone in WI ... a Democrat ... who supports Scott Walker and is reasonable about what is being asked:


Again, partisan ideologue ... drop the blinders, get your HOOYA ... or just keep carrying on this conversation with yourself ...



Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:28 | 1020390 Buckaroo Banzai
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What a shock-- more lying by liberal MSDNC fucktards.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:24 | 1020368 Bob
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Actually, Shep is right on top of this scam.  Maybe he brings his own water to work.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 23:01 | 1021284 fwiw imho
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I think we all missed that because it never happened.  What unions agreed to the wage and benefit concessions?  I can name five that rammed through their contracts without the "wage and benefit concessions"  that were "agreed to" two weeks ago.  Can you name one?  The mayor of madison actually asked that the legislation be delayed so he could get his contract approved without the concessions.  Actions speak louder than words.

You entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:33 | 1021443 StychoKiller
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And you, and everyone supporting public unions are willfully ignoring the camel in the room:  WHY is the Govt supplying these "essential" services?  If they're truly essential, the private sector will fill the void.  Sorry Public Unionists, but the biscuit wheels are coming off the Gravy Train!

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:17 | 1019778 IrishSamurai
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Are you a comedian? 

With a name like "flattrader", I'd guess you've never done a day of "honest" work in your life.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:32 | 1019838 flattrader
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Ah, name-calling (of a kind).  The last resort of the desperate.

And that dog hunts just fine.

Watch this weekend when 100,000+ people show up on Capitol Square.  There were 80,000 last weekend.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:37 | 1019855 IrishSamurai
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Watch this weekend when 100,000+ people show up on Capitol Square.

Good for them.  Standing around chanting and acting like imbeciles won't change the math.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:12 | 1020001 flattrader
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Chant...and do "other" things as well.

Walker is giving 80,000-100,000 people with dollars and votes no other reason to assemble other than to oppose him.

He's lost his margin.  He's a dead politician walking.

This will be an object lesson in "How Not To"

[The back-office on this effort is stunning.]

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 18:20 | 1020624 Argonaught
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Ha ha ha.  Of those 80,000 - 100,000 people, 10,000 are students.  They don't work, they don't pay taxes.  They don't count.  Anywhere between 10,000-40,000 are not from Wisconsin.  Again, they don't vote...they don't count.  So really, we are talking about 50,000 or so votes.  Of which, maybe a couple hundred voted for him before.


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:39 | 1019862 IrishSamurai
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Ah, name-calling (of a kind).  The last resort of the desperate.

"But Mom ... he started it ... "


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:04 | 1020237 weinerdog43
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You sir, are a moron.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:31 | 1020405 Buckaroo Banzai
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Hey if Wisconsin wants to dig itself a deeper hole, and make the public unions even more bloated, I say go for it.

But if those douchebags come after Federal tax dollars one day to bail out their pathetic socialist schemes, they can go piss up a rope.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 20:57 | 1021077 Bobbyrib
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Must I post the link to what states pay into the federal government and what they get out again to show you who the real socialists are?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 18:48 | 1020715 Carl Spackler
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Flattrader, you are either mis-informed and gullible or just an outright liar.

The powerplants the State of Wisconsin is trying to dispose of are at the end of their useful lives. They're old and inefficient and will have to be shut down.  The State is trying to recoup anything for them before the State gets nothing for them.

HOWEVER, there were no buyers the past two years, and there are NO BUYERS now because the assets are at the end of or past their useful lives.

Your bull**** Koch Brothers argument has ZERO merit. In fact, it is an outright lie. Not only  has Koch Industries made a public statement that it doesn't want the plants, nobody else does either. 

NOBODY, not even the publicly-traded, local utilities (Madison Gas & Electric and WE Energies) want them. Yet, the public utilities had first dibs at buying them and said NO THANK YOU.



Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:37 | 1021450 StychoKiller
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Clouding the issue(s) with true facts, will NOT sway any Progressive mind(s) [or lack thereof!] to see that the biscuit wheels are coming off the Gravy Train!  Fsck it, keep firing!

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:11 | 1019444 I think I need ...
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its ONE party.....and its a joke.....none of them are working for anyone here....

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:18 | 1019493 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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End the system.

End the Fed.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:36 | 1019848 DoChenRollingBearing
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FED delenda est.

H/T mick_richfield.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:12 | 1019449 Gert_B_Frobe
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Phew, I'm confused. Here I thought Democrat controlled (and filibuster-proof) Senate, Democrat controlled House and a Democrat sitting in the oval office meant they could pass anything. Yet it was the Republicans (who stuck around) were the cause of floundering and ineptitude???

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:56 | 1019678 Vergeltung
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don't confuse them with facts. it makes them feel "icky".

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:16 | 1019479 Calmyourself
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That is funny, especially since both Pelosi and Reid had majorities in both houses of Congress and when in fact they could not get their own party to kowtow to them.  What is funnier is this, idiots like you believed them, what a dunce..

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:56 | 1019940 Freddie
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The Union Democrats caused $7.5 million in damages to the Capitol building.  Nice jobs.  Where is that new tone and civility the Democrats were talking about after the Democrat kid in AZ murdered those people and shot the Congresswoman?  Union thugs.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:04 | 1020243 weinerdog43
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Prove it.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 22:25 | 1021226 weinerdog43
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"State officials charged with overseeing the state Capitol are now backing away from their estimate that demonstrators did more than $7 million in damage to the building."

Whaddaya know... republics lying again. 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:02 | 1019394 Cognitive Dissonance
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Someone remind me again where the O.K. Corral is?

Wisconsin, right?

So who are the good guys and who are the bad? All I see are white black hats.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:08 | 1019434 CPL
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+1 internets for you

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:34 | 1019572 Cognitive Dissonance
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Can I redeem that at Amazon or the Apple iTunes store? :>)

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:45 | 1019636 Matto
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Sorry for jumping on your thread here CD, just trying to keep up near the top




It is time for Zerohedge to move beyond the financial blogoshere. It is time to enact Project Mayhem. 

Our homework this week is to re-educate the masses by submitting a brief explanation of the effects of Fractional Reserve Banking to the comments section of 2 popular non-financial blogs, any blogs so long as they are non-financial & mainstream popular. I've just hit Perez Hilton and a Sports Site I visit.

Example to cut and paste if required:


It's time to end Debt-Money! 

Through a process known as Fractional Reserve Banking, private banks get the right to create our money out of nothing in the form of debt. This debt-money they lend out to the public as loans and the cost of which is born through-out our society.

 When banks create this money they loan it out at interest, meaning that while they created it out of nothing we trade our labour and time for other peoples 'loan-tickets/debt money' to repay them. And as it is loaned at interest, it requires more debt money to be created to make the additional interest portion. As such we are locked into an ever increasing debt trap, beholden to the banks for the very money we need to pay them back while the banks profit from the fruits of our labour in the repayment of interest on make-believe money. For everyone who saves a dollar, another person must be a dollar further in debt.

More information is available through:

Money as debt:

If all bank loans were paid...there would not be a dollar of coin or currency in circulation. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.

Robert A. Hemphill Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank

 Banks lend by creating credit. They create the means of payment out of nothing

Ralph M Hawtrey, Secretary of the Treasury, UK

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:56 | 1019687 Slartibartfast
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The fastest way to correct the US economy is for everyone to refuse to pay their mortgage, loans and credit cards for three months. Every last single loan and mortgage should be defaulted on. There is no possible way they can process and litigate that many defaults...the courts will be tied up for decades and the banks will run out of cash and be on their knees, which is exactly what has to happen. The system is not designed to deal with it, and banks will have no choice but to forgive it because therwise they cut off their own supply of income. Just three months is all that's would utterly paralyze them, and at this point no government will go to bat for them.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:35 | 1019843 Matto
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The people need to know the system first - we need a economic re-education and then, anything is possible - right now its a nice idea but until everyone understands the system no one will follow it through.


2 comments on non-financial blogs - copy>paste 


Project Mayhem - Spread the word!!

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:33 | 1020093 Michael
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My Tweet; "Project BLS Mayhem" :Everyone unemployed should apply for unemployment on-line. It's easy. Stand up and be Counted. Retweet this Tweet.
Fri, 03/04/2011 - 18:27 | 1020650 goldfish1
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Let's have a catchy copy/paste that the rubes will understand.

"fractional banking blah blah..."?

Charlie Sheen looks better (click).

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:50 | 1019911 iDealMeat
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Ain't gonna happen. No one has any balls, and no one cares.. I suggested a more mild approach of cutting your consumption in half. But ultimately I know that won't happen either..

Its a natural progression. People will follow the path of least resistance as the elite guide them further into perpetual slavery and debt..

Just stop caring, and protect yourself..


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 18:28 | 1020654 goldfish1
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Prepper (noun): An individual or group that prepares or makes preparations in advance of, or prior to, any change in normal circumstances or lifestyle without significant reliance on other persons (i.e., being self-reliant), or without substantial assistance from outside resources (govt., etc.) in order to minimize the effects of that change on their current lifestyle.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:44 | 1021465 StychoKiller
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The price $/Toz of Ag closed around $35.67 today.  'Nuff said.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:53 | 1019928 Calmyourself
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After that we can solve GW by everyone holding their breath for a week.. Got anything in that sack resembling a realistic solution?  Sorry, I hate to bitch with no solution but in this case there may not be one.  Eventually this thing is going down, 4-6 years I suppose.  This empowering of the ME common man looks suspicious to me and a bipolar world once again solves a lot of problems immediately and through the conflict moving forward.


I forgot to mention, its 42

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:48 | 1021472 StychoKiller
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I forgot to mention, its 42

The ultimate Question:  "How many times does a Socialist/Progressive have to be hit over the head with a 2by4 before they figure out that Life is NOT fair, and start to act & think like Adults?"

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:31 | 1019827 Matto
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Cheers - i will look at this over the weekend. 


Spread the word!!

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 18:10 | 1020594 naughtius maximus
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You're violating the 6th rule of project mayhem, sir.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 02:00 | 1021556 A Nanny Moose
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Um...we don't talk about Project Mayhem

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:03 | 1019398 knukles
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Mena's hotting up again? 
More cocaine flights?  Oxy bus terminal? 
Magic of Google Maps!

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:08 | 1019734 Dr. Richard Head
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How about MENAUS (Middle East North Africa United States) now. 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:04 | 1019401 pazmaker
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If they stay gone for two years, is it not possible they lose their Wisconsin residency and thereby can no longer be senators?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:16 | 1019482 Ray1968
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It would be really hard to run for re-election from Illinois

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:58 | 1019695 kaiserhoff
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Elections have consequences. 

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:50 | 1021476 StychoKiller
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Why would anyone vote for a Yellow-streak Decepticrat?  The Republicons are just the opposite side of the same coin though -- time to vote in a third-party...

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:04 | 1019402 jus_lite_reading
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Social unrest will spread rapidly in the US. The collapse of the global ponzi will occur rapidly and without warning. The EU holds key...

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:05 | 1019406 Pants McPants
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Man I'm really torn about this.  Hmmm, should I support looting agency (a) or fascist organization (b)?

Talk about a mirror of of US politics.  Everything is a hologram. 


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:25 | 1019528 chubbar
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Succinct summation of my thoughts exactly, thanks.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:26 | 1020069 malek
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Let me give you a hint: If you strongly disapprove something, you should raise your voice/vote against it. Who else is raising their voices/mocking the situation/using it for propaganda should not play a role in your decision.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:55 | 1020185 Pants McPants
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Agree re: ignoring the propaganda.  However, I don't vote.  I have withdrawn my consent from the empire.

This situation is especially amusing b/c two groups are fighting over a shrinking piece of the pie.  I say let em' struggle and knock each other around for as long as possible. 

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:51 | 1021482 StychoKiller
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This situation is especially amusing b/c two groups are fighting over a shrinking piece of the pie.  I say let em' struggle and knock each other around for as long as possible.

When Govt spends time doing stupid things it shouldn't be doing,
it is not doing even stupider things it shouldn't be doing.


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:05 | 1019412 rookie
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"if we could talk to our bank"?! 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:07 | 1019420 Mercury
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Forget Libya, This is on like Donkey Kong...

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:07 | 1019421 buzzsaw99
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Lay off the old hags that hit me with a ruler and keep the young pretty ones.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:08 | 1019433 TheRagingBull
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Kudos to that!

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:22 | 1019517 JW n FL
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I think they are talking Public Schools NOT Private where our knuckles were beat... we survived and we are tuffer for it! 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:24 | 1019512 IrishSamurai
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Not sure you've thought your cunning plan all the way through ...

So force the old hags into prostitution while keeping the young pretty ones behind a desk teaching the three R's?

You obviously have "the Ghey" ...

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:03 | 1019707 JW n FL
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are you saying he has a touch of the "Ghey"? thats a shame, he should see a doctor... but if he is a she and she is "Hawt" than she should see me with her cute girlfriend...

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:40 | 1019870 mtomato2
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You need a million bux for that to work out.  "cause chicks dig dudes with money..."

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:17 | 1019769 buzzsaw99
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GayLick Sword Swallower?

A name like that and you have a lot of room to talk. heh heh I guess when the only way you can get laid is by playing with yourself or paying for it you don't have a lot of time to study. lulz

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:24 | 1019807 IrishSamurai
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Your mom did give me a "deep" discount last night ... but your sister was even better with the strap on.  It was a strap on, right?

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:54 | 1021486 StychoKiller
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IrishSamurai FTW in creative insults!

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:07 | 1019429 Cow
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Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:09 | 1019438 johnQpublic
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lack of a quoram didnt stop the vote for the federal reserve in 1913, and that turned out fine.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:10 | 1019441 Savonarola
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I grew up poor, and if it wasn't for the union we would have been much poorer than we were.

I remember as a young boy Dad went out on strike. He came home with the news and mom sat at the kitchen table and cried. 

He went on strike for a two-cent an hour increase.

But, that was then. Unions are different now.



Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:12 | 1019454 mynhair
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These are public sector unions, what part of stealing your money don't you get?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:15 | 1019472 sagerxx
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What part of "Unions are different now" don't *you* get?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:49 | 1019638 nonclaim
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The problem is not really the union: the company (State) they work for is nearly bankrupt.

Normally in the private sector companies reduce workforce and/or salary or fold. Why not in the public sector?

Furthermore, if I don't show up to work because I don't want fulfill my duties I get fired or at least put in unpaid leave and someone else is put in place. Why are they still Senators?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:20 | 1019784 SRV - ES339
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In 1841 Illinois Representative Abraham Lincoln jumped out a window to deny a quorum to a Democratic controlled legislature (the doors had been locked to keep the dissenters from fleeing).

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:57 | 1019946 nonclaim
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Ok, to deny a quorum (by whatever means) or filibuster are valid tools.

Now, outside of the merit of this specific situation, where's the limit? Can they go missing till the end their terms? Is it fair to the whole population to have one branch of government shut down? If 'yes' the whole concept o 'republic' is at stake.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 18:01 | 1020562 JP McManus
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In that case, I'll also file Lincoln's name under the category: Whiny Bitches

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:51 | 1019662 SRV - ES339
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You, my purrrrrry friend (and Tyler) are drinking the corporate backed Tea Party kool-aide, and signing up for this orchestrated (you did catch the "Koch Call" didn't you) effort to bust public sector unions (they've already taken private sector union membership down below 10%) for political and personal gain... and the collateral damage will be the accelerated destruction of the middle class (union gains actually do "trickle down" to the broad middle class pay and benefit rates).

The perfect crime... the victims blame other victims... what part of "you're being financially raped" by the elite don't you (and Tyler) get?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:12 | 1020002 James
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"Union gains actually do "trickle down" says SRV


Yes they do. However, would you  please quit peeing on me and telling me it's raining?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:53 | 1020175 Andy_Jackson_Jihad
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Tea-party "Kool Aide" is tea, dumbass.

Why would oligarchs give a rat's ass about public sector unions?  They control the gov't and therefore the employees, union or not. 

I'd dare say that if I were an oligarch I'd want the public unions and all the insolvency along with it.  It leaves a bad taste for unions in the public's mouth and eliminates the monopoly power of gov't services to let the oligarchs step in with their un-unionized firms.

Sheesh.  Its like nobody can break away from the matrix too long when it comes to their sacred cows.  If you really wanted to save unions for the private sector, killing them in the public one should be a priority.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:22 | 1020288 SRV - ES339
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useful idiots...

It's called politics... limits on corporate political spending have been eliminated (thanks to their ownership of the Supreme Court... but go ahead and beat up on Teachers, Fire Fighters, Cops...)... Unions are the last line of support for the Democratic Party and WI is "the first Domino" (you did hear the Koch tape didn't you) in a political effort to buy political power... if they win... you have a one party system "comrade!"

useful idiots!

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 00:58 | 1021494 StychoKiller
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(union gains actually do "trickle down" to the broad middle class pay and benefit rates).

These union "gains", WHERE do they come from?  Check your premises.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:15 | 1022167 SRV - ES339
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How about the weekend you're enjoying, the health care you have, the work safety requirements you take for granted (or I suppose your generous corporate leaders are just looking out for your best

Real people gave their lives for these things you dumb, pampered, brainwashed fuck!

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 16:03 | 1022236 Xkwisetly Paneful
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How many jobs have you created again? Zero sound close?


More people gave their lives for a country free of excessive government than did for workers rights,


but don't let that get lost in the shuffle as your endless regulations has priced labor out of the market and has led to a boom in the leeches called temp agencies.


union bot R2-D2.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 17:12 | 1022374 SRV - ES339
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How many jobs have you created again? Zero sound close?

I was a partner, and President (retired) of a mid-size aerospace facility... and yes, many jobs were created within the company, and within the various suppliers (although your point is lost to me)... and you?

More people gave their lives for a country free of excessive government than did for workers rights

One day, I hope you'll learn that they gave their lives to support corporate, and banking interests (same ones Walker, and you, are supporting)... may they rest in peace.

Sun, 03/06/2011 - 19:00 | 1024417 Xkwisetly Paneful
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YEa they died for us and not themselves.


No point afterall unions and job creation are anti correlated.

I have created quite a few jobs without one single federal or state dole contract.  Must have been nice to sell $1000 toilet seats. Must have been nice to employ overworked, underpaid non-union engineers. This takes self loathing to an entire new level.  Started a company engaged in an industry notorious for exploiting it's most talented people and now lecture us otherwise.


But that has ended as I would need to ingest LSD to even contemplate creating a new labor intensive business.

One day I will hope you will learn the states with the highest unemployment rates are the ones with the highest union memberships. No right to work is legalized extortion.

Unfortunately I am aware fanatics do not alter course,

and regardless of all the folks dying to create a nation of limited government, union bots are more than willing to strangle domestic employment with overregulation leading to a booming temp business. That is the output of these great historical accomplishments of the unions.


Do not forget the obvious even to an imbecile like me contradiction of government serving as many as possible as cheaply as possible and unions working as little as possible for as much money as possible.  Current conditions vs age old rhetoric.

Thanks for playing R2-D2 union bot.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 15:14 | 1022168 SRV - ES339
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Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:32 | 1019463 Mercury
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The only difference that matters is that you (the taxpayer) are the boss with the checkbook, not some gold watch chain tycoon.  Even FDR understood that government workers shouldn't have unlimited leverage over the rest of the general public for whom they work.

But I bet your Dad didn't get three weeks off (paid) to walk the picket line either.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:56 | 1019921 RKDS
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Because every time we need advice on how to maintain a free and independent society, we look to the wisdom of super statist FDR?

I've had it with all of you fools quoting FDR.  You know when Rush splices those MSM snippets together to show how they all read the same words from the same script?  That's what this chorus of born-again FDR sycophants sound like.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 16:15 | 1020015 TragicHipster
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two cents an hour? oh, come on.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 19:25 | 1020822 Savonarola
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The year was 1953. Dad was making 75 cents an hour. Some overtime each week helped.

I framed an old paystub of his to hang on the wall to remind me of those days.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:11 | 1019446 the not so migh...
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They should dispatch bounty hunters and drag back these suckas.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:11 | 1019448 SilverRhino
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Somewhere the Joker is laughing and smiling.

"You see, their morals, their code, it's a bad joke. Dropped at the first sign of trouble. They're only as good as the world allows them to be. I'll show you. When the chips are down, these... these civilized people, they'll eat each other. See, I'm not a monster. I'm just ahead of the curve."

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 15:03 | 1019717 RichardENixon
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Boy, ain't that the truth.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:13 | 1019453 Oh regional Indian
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If yuo steal my marbles...I'll...i'll...i'lll....tell my mommy..waaaaaahhhh....


that is what that whole thing sounded like to me. US politics is a total farce. politics is a total farce. 

Quite the farcial life, all around actually.


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:16 | 1019489 pazmaker
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Ahhhhhh something we can agree upon!!!



Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:39 | 1019607 Oh regional Indian
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Paz, Indeed.

All good.


Fri, 03/04/2011 - 17:29 | 1020261 Bob
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You missed the history.  The American middle class was made possible only by the struggles of labor unions.  People fought and died in the streets for those gains.  In the past 30 years, corporate America has eviscerated the private labor unions, and when you look at the changing distribution of wealth over that time, it is no mystery.  It was more than off shoring, though the two went hand in hand.  Labor in the private sector should have stood up and fought back then, but they didn't. 

Public labor unions are the last obstacle to corporate power owning labor completely.  That prospect has suddenly awakened the working and middle classes to just what has been and is now going on . . . and what kind of future it means to them. Sometimes you don't fully recognize things until you're about to lose them once and for all. 

The Wisconsin drama has meaning that goes far beyond the specific issues there . . . historically, economically and socially.  If it didn't, it would get little attention.  Even from me.

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 18:06 | 1020578 Buckaroo Banzai
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Are you high??? Public unions are all about stealing money from the taxpayers, not fighting evil corporations.

How difficult is this to understand?

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 19:05 | 1020757 Carl Spackler
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Clearly, Bob's socialist heroin addiction has permanently distorted his reality.

For one, unions did not build America.

Entrepreneurs and free enterprise did.  People with ideas and the self motivation to put those to the test, risking their investment and credibility.

Without entrepreneurs and free enterprise, those union workers would not be workers, and there would be no unions because their would be no work to do.

Now, the computer and the third world laborer (looking to improve his life) have made the U.S. union laborer ever more obsolescent. 

Yet, the entrepreneur lives on, and then need for even more American entrepreneurs increases by the day.



Fri, 03/04/2011 - 21:59 | 1021073 Bob
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Narcissus, somebody had to actually make that mirror you live for.   And it wasn't you. 

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 01:06 | 1021507 StychoKiller
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Before the creation of the Federal Reserve, the majority of Americans owned their own businesses (until corporations got their Big Brother to drive everyone out of business!)  Who is the enemy again?

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 07:56 | 1021703 Bob
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Exactly.  The enemy is that which pits us against each other in a system in which each scambles to position himself to devalue and exploit others by whatever means necessary, ignoring the larger picture until it swallows him. 

The vast majority of us have seen our real incomes steadily drop over the last thirty years while corporations and those who contol them have gotten fabulously wealthy. 

To ignore this trend may be both flattering and profitable to those who have managed to make it work for themselves so far, but look ahead a decade or two and you can see it ends well for virtually no one.  Project the continuing consolidation of capital and mechanization of work processes going forward and it's hard to miss the inevitability of a day when virtually no one has jobs and "production" is entirely owned by the "winners."  The rest of humanity will be nothing but servants who serve at their pleasure under whatever terms they dictate--if they don't simply die because they don't "pull their weight." 

"Investors" today seem to imagine that they are necessary for the functioning of capital markets.  As if algos can't do that job . . .

I'm no socialist, but we need to get real about where this system leads before it's too late, imo. 

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 23:09 | 1021295 Xkwisetly Paneful
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No just a union bot and right costs more and is less productive than the other bots.

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 17:23 | 1022399 Yits and the Yimrum
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that was a hundred years ago Bub; your socialist labor queens over the past 50 years have made sure we go full circle

they broke the US economy, and it's back to serfdom.

And this was no accident, big labor, big government and internationalist capital all conspire to smash economic liberty

fortunately, Karma means these gov't freeloaders get a big haircut one of these days

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:14 | 1019457 LawsofPhysics
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Lead by example Mr. Governor,  fire all state employees starting with yourself.  As far as I can tell BOTH sides of this fight are going about things the wrong way. 

Sat, 03/05/2011 - 01:09 | 1021510 StychoKiller
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Indeed, EVERYONE has to take responsibility for their own lives and livelihood!  There is no need for Govt OR Public Property!

Fri, 03/04/2011 - 14:13 | 1019458 mynhair
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Screw them Dims.  Just deem everything passed.

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