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Wisconsin Governor To Issue 1500 Layoff Notices Unless Fugitive Democrats Return To The State
In addition to "stagflation" which we announced in January would be the word of the year, we now have a new contender in the running for what may soon be the most popular word for the next 10 months: "escalation." To wit: in addition to everything happening in MENA, escalation has now struck right in our own back yard, after Wisconsin governor Walker announced he would fire 1500 state workers unless democrats, who have been fled and are hiding in Illinois to avoid a critical vote on collective bargaining, return to the state. Reuters take on this word: "The threat of layoffs increased the stakes in a bitter battle between Wisconsin Republicans and Democrats, a fight being watched around the nation as other states like Ohio and Indiana weigh rolling back public employee union power as part of budget-cutting efforts." Of course, 'escalation' could go hand in hand with 'broke' which is the third and last "word of the year" contender: "Earlier this week, Walker declared the state
"broke" when he unveiled his proposed two-year $59.2 billion budget for
fiscal 2012-2013, which eliminates more than 21,000 positions and cuts
funding to education, cities and counties." Whether this will result in so far peaceful protests turning violent as "austerity" which was the word of 2010 comes to the shores of the US is for now unknown.
From Reuters:
Republican Walker told reporters late on Thursday that "extremist elements" among 14 absent senate Democrats had blocked progress in negotiations on his "budget repair bill."
"Just when we think the process is moving forward, we see no action," Walker said. "We're frustrated."
The Democratic senators fled to Illinois two weeks ago to deny majority Republicans a quorum and a vote on the bill, and behind-the-scenes negotiations have failed to produce a compromise. Just one Democrat is needed for a quorum.
Walker said some of the absent Democrats, who have been threatened with $100-a-day fines and the prospect of being taken into custody if they return to Wisconsin, appear willing to stay away "not only for several more months, but potentially the next two years."
With no action expected on the bill, Walker said he will be forced to send out layoff notices to 1,500 state employees, saving some $30 million.
"The reality is, we shouldn't have to be going down the path of preparing for layoffs." Walker said.
Further validating the farce:
"If they (Democrats) came back tomorrow, for example, we'd still try and see if we could talk to our bank and see if we could push this (refinancing) forward because it's much better than losing $165 million in savings," Walker said.
The Capitol has been besieged by pro-union protesters, some camping out in the stately building, though the last group left late on Thursday after a Wisconsin judge ordered them out to allow cleaning crews to do their work.
Protesters claimed victory in the case, as Wisconsin Judge John Albert said authorities cannot deny the public access to the Capitol building. After business hours, people must leave or be in violation of state law, the judge ruled.
If this is the way politics in America will be done going forward, when any party knows the only way to prevent passage of austere financial measures is by fleeing, one wonders: just what is the point of the US "democratic" system when a minority can hold up the majority just by taking the first one way taxpayer funded private jet out of the state?
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If someone starts using words like "irreversable" or "unrecoverable" for anything less than torturing or maiming people, I know he/she is trying to avoid real discussion.
In terms that apply to human behavior and society, both words can routinely apply. Certainly on a scale of historical note such as comparing Egypt in 2000BC to modern times, all human issues are reversable or reconcilable. The goal of MOST of us is to make things better in our life time.
Environmental damage, again in terms that relate to humanity, is often irreversable. Unless you consider using Dodo DNA to resurect the species as a viable form of stewardship, MOST of what we can and are doing to our environment is irreversable. In a million years it might not matter, but my children's children will pay for others irresponsibility and greed, and that is NOT an acceptable cost of true free market behavior as an excuse to feed a kleptocratic oligharchy.
Sounds to me more like YOU are looking for an excuse to avoid a conversation by making an arbitrary statement as a closure oint.
The problem with your line of arguing (as in "2. Too late.") is that it looks like even failures that are part of the game (businesses go bankrupt in REAL free markets) quickly become "unbearable" - and in that you are effectively supporting the TBTF school of thinking.
In the end however, this means nothing can be allowed to fail, patching it up and declaring it "doing well" and "being normal" - until some day a complete collapse takes the issue out of our hands.
That would be an accurate comparison, except for the fact that a filibuster is part of the process whereas fleeing a state to avoid a vote is not. Legislators are free to deny a quorum, but after the Legislature invokes a "call of the house" the members are required to attend. In other words, deny a quorum to make your point and perhaps negotiate better terms, but eventually you are compelled to return to actually cast votes.
...fleeing a state to avoid a vote is not.
Wrong. This has been numerous times in the past including by A. Lincoln when he fled the IL legislature in 1840.
Yes, but he regretted doing so. Read some history.
Proves your point about being a liar.
Nevertheless, he did NOT regret his vote. Try again Kochsucker.
Perhaps it is you that that should read more. He regretted being part of the plan because it was so poorly executed and failed due to the actions of others and really accomplished nothing but making his party look bad. If it had worked he would have been thrilled. As it was, he and a few others did their best but the remaining whigs were easily rounded up because they assumed no one would come looking for them. Some were eating lunch nearby the church where the legislature was meeting.
We see that Wisconsin has budget woes and wants to 'save' itself by putting the squeeze on state workers, denying them the basic right to collectively bargain for just compensation.
Most likely the real problem with Wisconsin's budget is is related to the cost's it has incurred failing to win the war on drugs. Wisconsin's prison population is proportionately 2-2.5 times larger than similar midwestern states, most of those prisoners have drug sentences, and most of those drug sentences will be pot related.
Wisconsin is spending a fortune to lockup pot smokers and if the population of Wisconsin were given a referendum vote to "Decriminalize cannabis use to keep all our dedicated Wisconsin state workers, lower taxes for all Wisconsin citizens, and increase funding available for education." We might have an effective "feel good" democratic solution to the Wisconsin budget woes.
...the basic right to collectively bargain...
Sez you.
It's not a right? YOU FUCKING FASCIST. You only THINK you're an american.
You are scum, there is no debate. Sophistry won't work any more.
IT IS a right, even if you're too stupid or captured by fascist ideology (or on the banksters take) to notice it.
Go blow your sophistry smoke up your ass, it might allow you to grow a braincell.
Precisely the sort of rational, reasoned response I expect from a union thug who insists other people be forced to recognize compulsory collective bargaining as a basic human right.
Sure, you have the basic right of association to organize.
But so does the business owner, or in this case taxpayer, have the basic right of association to tell you he's not going to recognize your organization.
Freedom is a 2-way street, fascist.
No sir, it is you who are the fucking fascist. Wear your badge with honor, Kochsucker.
Wow, fascist and a Koch-joke in one sentence.
Very impressive, short-bus.
Edit: Oops, I was wrong - it took you 2-sentences. Not nearly as impressive, sadly.
Good points, but ...
Arguing with idiots only brings you down to their level and they will attack your reasoned logic with their extensive experience (of being an idiot) every time ...
Lots of union "educated" trolls on this thread.
-Irish out .
Yeah, I know. Sort of fun to poke them every once in a while, though.
docj = douchenozzle in French. I'm impressed.
If collective bargaining were a natural or Constitutional right, why did we need to enact the National Labor Relations Act in 1935? If these "rights" were bestowed upon public sector workers, why did FDR oppose collective bargaining for pubic workers. Hell, why do Federal workers not get collective bargaining now even under Pres. Obamanation? Seems like your history teacher did not do such a great job.
Great job Bulb!!!! I notice your discussing facts while those arguing with engage in name calling.
Keep em straight!
+10000
Dimbulb, unlike you, actually has a point. you sir, are merely a cheerleader, like your idol, GW Bush.
and I agree with his points, and you continue to show the lack of substance between your ears with the name calling. So lack of substance in your argument and lack of substance between the ears...what more can we expect. You assume too much as well. I'm not a Bush fan nor an Obama fan they are both on the same team and it's your team.
I find handouts to TBTF corporations and banks to be repugnant they are nothing but corporate welfare queens, but I also view public unions as repugnant too. You work for the public you are paid by the taxpayer get off the freaking public dole if you don't like and stop your mamby pamby crying.
It's not a right. Otherwise, federal employees would have the "right" to collectively bargain. They don't get to do that. There is no "right" to collectively bargain. You might as well be saying you have a "right" to hookers and blow.
If you want to read about actual RIGHTS, go read the Constitution, and stop believing made-up "rights" that the sheeple are fed by Constitution-hating leftists.
since when does the constitution stop anyone from doing anything, especially the wealthy?
+100
they have the "right" to receive twice the compensation of a private sector employee, (and cause a drag on the economy to boot)
Says who?
society can either fire these jokers or collapse the currency through state bailouts
we will probably see the latter; I would argue for the former
These people should open up a bank so Bernanke and Timmay will bail them out.
Fascist Gov. Walker and their fascist idiot legislature is fining their legislators 100 dollars a day.
What would Abraham Lincoln do? Since the person who basically put the republican party on the map ALSO FLED to avoid a vote. So in reality, Walker is against one of the most basic 'republican' ideals. (but what in the last 40 years of republicans has actually been republican? democrats too...but more like 20 years[both unacceptable]).
Well I guess it's better than what Ohio just passed. Where if you strike....
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17656
Howdy Ohio slaves. Sorry you voted fascist idiots (who think they are patriots) in office.
Back to Lib..err.Wisconsin
Gov. Gaddafi Duck Walker's Announced Budget Would Annihilate Education, Decimate Health Care
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17654
So take the cuts, you can't raise property taxes, and oh yeah, the gov't is going to force these participants into Medicare Part D. (and make sure you teach that test, and I'm sure Fascist Sebilius is telling them all how they can kick a million or so wisconsin's off the state healthcare medicaid). Govt walker, doing everything republicans accuse democrats of 'big govt' in your lives.
Who's the bitch? Tea party (of course they're for the banksters....just too stupid to not know it...gee...no one saw it coming...it couldn't of been forseen...except that it was 100 percent the bs ideology coming forth BASED on SOPHISTRY)
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17666
Yes, the tea party, started by banksters, for banksters. Bend over and pay the fraudulent debt, and come out and protest FOR THE BANKSTERS...for FREE!
...and if your words won't convince the senators, there's always this tried and true FASCIST tactic, that has Abraham Lincoln rolling over in his grave.
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17672
And since we're talking about and American Governor who is fascist, let's show you an Irish leader who seems very American. See if you can see the difference.
http://www.larouchepac.com/node/17670
Oh yes, Walker might be right.....Koch-head brothers, Ben Bernanke, all these people are....American citizens...but we all know they do not represent the 'people'. Gov. Walker, like Christie, and these idiot fools in Ohio, Indiana, and probably every state of the union need to understand very simply.
Cutting needed services to pay off fraudulent debt is just as insidious (arugably more) as Printing money out of thin air to pay off fraudulent debt.
Especially since Glass-Steagall isn't some abstract notion, it was the law of the land, it worked, and its repealed ALLOWED the moneatry system, to fully engage in the worst aspects of monetarism. But these idiots who call themselves 'patriots' aren't for the people, they're for a sophistry filled ideal that serves those they hate the most. Talk about retarded.
No state, including walker's, would have a deficit, if Glass-Steagall (in full 1933 form) was enacted.
...oh yeah, and fuck you Fascist NerObama, frank, pelosi, schummer, and all the like fascists on the other side. Eat shit.
...Start a civil war and kill hundreds of thousands?
Touche
I love people who throw the word "fascist" around. Really lets you know that they have no effin' clue.
You might find it interesting that the Nazis created their own government union, the National Socialist Union of Employees and Workers. For realz:
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=64227
It would be so cool if this parasite manages to kill its host.
But, I'm sure they will compromise long before Madison is burnt to the ground.
Walter Block, FTW!!!
You people on the left HATE big business
What's the difference between big business, big union, big government.?????????
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Got the answer yet ??????????????????????
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I'LL HELP
Their all bad, especially the last one
Union try to keep everyone the same. OK. Lot's of people lost their job, lots of people pay and benefit were cut. So, what make you so special. OK you can raise my taxes so you can keep all your union benefits
What's even more interesting is the people who love big business . . . except when eats their asses--GS, JPM, MERS, the Fed, and so on.
There is so much ignorance in your post, it hurts my eyes to read it. Suffice to say for someone who does not even know the difference between 'their' and 'they're', it would be pointless to discuss the basic 'merits' of your supposed argument.
Walker is a world class asshole.
You need to do better than that. Calling someone an asshole without substance is basically looking in the mirror.
I junked you. Your comment is junk. You are exactly what the junk button is for.
And a junk for you, because truth is an absolute defense. Dumbass.
Your statement here is intellectually vacuous, considering the context. Breathe much?
it's hard when i'm eating your mom.
Now THAT was actually pretty funny.
As in Hannibal Lector eating?
Fava beans and a nice Chianti..
Everyone needs to aspire to something.
It takes one to know one, so I guess you'd be an expert.
in some ways i sympathize with the union and would welcome a tax on the rich to pay for the shortfall.....yet the unions have been as destructive as they have been constructive.....when the overpaid bureaucrats in the executive branch take a pay cut and layoffs, then i will back the inept governor of wisconsin....
when 1% of the population makes 39% of the income, it is time to soak the fucking rich....
The only purpose of unions in a nation as near socialist as the US is extortion.
yep.
Seems to me you either get labor laws or unions, but not both...
I have to stick up for the teachers' unions, folks. They may have gone astray but not as much as the banks have and the government can negotiate better conditions if is chooses to. Without unions, the middle class would not have progressed as far as it has from the 1960s to 1990s. If the unions are done away with, then teachers (who have very important jobs helping to create future citizens), could be paid minimum wage, judging from the power this Governor seems to have. Negotiations go both ways, not just increasing the salary and benefits of the teachers but also compromising for the sake of society. This Governor is not even considering negotiating and is threatening by laying off workers.
And note: the Republicans made it possible for the richest people in the land to continue their tax breaks. Wall Street was one of the contributing factors in the money lost in pensions in Wisconsin. There's a lot at risk here if the teachers don't maintain some power through the unions.
wow, some straw man. Banksters v teachers unions. How about this instead: private sector tax payers v teachers unions?
This is what people don't understand... governmental employees are on the same side as all the other welfare queens... bankers... GM... you name it. The rest of us get picked off every day, joining the ranks of the other side... long ago was this unsustainable... long ago was it obvious the rest could not prop up the entitled... but yet it persists... I don't try and time the market, but this will not keep up in perpetuity.
Junk away folks... the goose that laid the golden egg has been outsourced and you cannot flog its former nest in the hopes of conjuring another egg. State and local governments are going to feel severe pain in the coming months due to budgetary constraints (eroding tax base for sure). This is basic math... And, frankly, it's about time the public sector felt the pains of deleveraging/margin squeezes. Welcome to the party.
Unfortunately, when dumbasses are faced with a choice between basic math and magical thinking... well, it's obvious which choice is made most often.
+100
these greedy unions were set up to destroy the working/professional people in the US
An engineer in Mexico makes what a janitor makes here; these Commie Unions and public employees are enemies of hard working people
let the twits eat cake; their day of reckoning has arrived
the Socialist dreamweavers are a BFJ
Walker is a punk. No brains and certainly no b*lls! His new name is "small winkie boy".
Yeah, unlike those brave heroes that turned tail and fled the state because there cause was so worthy............
Give me a fucking break.
Give me a fucking brain.
There, fixed it for ya.
Bob, you're wasting your time with the erectile disfunctional one. He's a Koch spammer.
I don't even know or care who Kock is - that's a bullshit talking point be spread around to take people's mind off what is really going on. And apparently its worked for the retard set out there.
LOL, real good comback, can I use it? NOT
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Talk about dumbass MF'ers........
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/young-madison-socialist-reveals-popular-noodles-company-restaurant-is-actually-harsh-dictatorship/ You should be so very proud of this brave young man standing up to the tyranny of...........Noodles.Attention, Ms. erectile disfunction, the reason many of us 'lefties' are on this site is because we have money and assets and enjoy the non political issues encompassed within. We suffer the Kochsucking astroturfers because that is the nature of spam.
we have money and assets
So you haven't donated your dad's estate to the Fatherland, to support O's socialist-opia?
And your (the left's) fascination with the Koch's is hilarious ... given that they support:
1. Gay Marriage
2. Drug Legalization
3. Repealing the Patriot Act
4. Withdrawl from Iraq/Afghanistan
5. The Ballet (their largest donations go to this stupid fucking art)
Evil dudes ... fuck some of you drones are so fucking stupid.
Amazing....all supported by the Kochs.... except anything that would actually help, you know, working folks.
Yeah ... they only employ 80K+ people ...
How many people do you employ and pay a salary to, dipshit?
I don't know the Kochs, but the "Get the Kochs" meme is so fucking tiring and ignorant of the facts ...
If you were to say, get Warren Buffet ... I could get behind that because he is an asshole who grifted his way with a silver spoon in his ass to where he is today and he has been a bigger contributor to the market chaos we're currently experiencing than the Kochs ... but you've got your marching orders, so carry on with the ignorance and name-calling ...
The DNC and Soraos have an AMAZING talking points network, as you can see.
So basically, dipshit, what we are saying here is that the hard working taxpayers in Wisconsing are the greedy capitalists that are making all their money off the backs of the poor downtrodden public workers in the state.
What kind of fucking logic is that. If you're truly for the little guy, you should be all for this as a way of helping working folks that have to pay taxes to support this.
Start trying to see beyond your ideology and take a step back and take a look at reality without relying on whoevers talking points you are relying on.
Think as an individual for a change. May open a whole new wonderful world to you.
The flaw in many folks' thinking is that government jobs should exist to begin with, at least in the numbers they currently exist in. This isn't about workers' rights, this is about people getting paid much more than their private counterparts with their counterparts' own money.
Truth hurts, don't it.
You have money? Stolen or inherited no doubt.
+100 American public education/indoctrination qualifies these dumb bunnies as dumpster divers when the dollar collapses
we are screwed as these flocks truly see either Mao or Hitler as their saviour
fire all the "teachers" and put the greedy ministers in concentration camps
this is spreading like wildfire
http://www.businessinsider.com/costa-mesa-2011-3
Affluent OC city laying off 43% of their employees
Well, signing off today. I've enjoyed my time here, but I've got actual work to do. Have a good one Bob, the rest of you Koch astroturfers, I can smell your Cheeto breath from here. Auf weidersehn!
You forgot to suck my c*** before you left!
The IQ of this thread just went up about 20-points.
You're being too generous here ... the dog was only 1 of a large sample of sub-50 IQs ...
Good point. Out.
Methinks you misunderestimated.
Why don`t you get it? This American generation has nothing to do with the great generation that won world word I and II! It is so easy to see. You can`t build planes, rockets or ships and when you fight a small war you loose it, there is no democracy anymore just a corrupt finance oligarchy. Revolution or civil war are the only medicine. I know what I am talking about, I just wonder how much it will last...
Some of those 100k a year teachers will likely not live as well on unemployment benefits.
The conservative think tank said the average annual compensation for a Milwaukee Public Schools teacher would exceed $100,000 in 2011. As of July 1, 2011, according to the school district, that figure will be $101,091. http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2011/mar/04/maciver-institute/maciver-institute-says-average-annual-salary-and-b/
Achtung! Heil Walker, mein fuherer, please send in the storm troopers (I mean state troopers to arrest the political opposition! Do what Hitler did, eliminate the unions the day after he gave them a pay raise, and promise the Koch Brothers a hands off policy to get their politcal money, and when the timing is right privatize the state police and arrest all reasonable opposing views, and privatize the educational system to permit the re-education of the new hitler youth group. Ask the holocaust survivors and the hitler youth group survivors how this worked the last time the government teamed up with monopolizing corporations
When an argument is bad, or non-existent, it always regresses to 'Hitler' name calling. HAHA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
Almost feel sorry for Walker. You've got to admit it, the resemblance to Hitler is astonishing.
And to make matters worse, this asshole Walker has basically guaranteed that every Democrat will go out and vote in masse for Obama in 2012.
Get ready for the black guy to be in WH until 2016. Thanks a lot Walker, you moron.
Seems your anger may be slightly mis-directed, though the whole Walker thing has probably worked to distract the lemming class (democrats) from looking at what is going on on Wall Street and instead takes their focus to that Kock guy and Walker. The media machine of the left is really pretty impressive. Goebbels would no doubt be jealous. Too bad Walker couldn't just print money 24x7 and avoid the whole nasty issue of balancing a state budget.
I think those demos are waiting for a ransom offer. They feel they are worth at least the price offered to Khadaffi's son for caving in. 1 billion $ each and they'll be back in Madison.
never thought i would look up to Prezbo's voting "present"
Go packers!
I support the idea of them leaving Wisconsin, but where should they go?
It seems like they'd fit in well in the sewer of politics that is known as ILLINOIS.
to hell
Walker will give notice to workers they're being laid off.
Democrats continue to nullify the Nov elections by remaining absent and on strike in IL.
LEMMINGS OF THE WORLD UNITE AGAINST WALKER!!!
rotfl
Hey, us hard working taxpayers should form a union. IT'S OUR RIGHT, WE'RE ENTITLED!
Interesting, would it be true ya think?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/1/State-of-Wisconsin-under-W-by-DEBRA-H...
thought provoking poll
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41876558/ns/politics/
Interesting indeed. Take a look at the entire poll (link is in the article.) The vast majority of the population wants to see specific changes that are mind bogglingly to the "left" of the so-called political spectrum. None on the clowns in Washington represent the real priorities of the public. Special interests rule.
This Hitler scene gets a new twist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ugz7W17GQOs
Funny. The word is just beginning to get out about how badly Walker fucked up in his previous job in Milwaukee and how completely fucked that county is now that the bills are coming due.
The real problem is that there just aren't enough good jobs for everyone. In fact, there is no need for good jobs for everyone, because there really isn't that much work to do. That fact does not mean that over half of the worlds populate should go hungry.
Low level Walmart jobs exist because not everyone can be the CEO of Walmart. It really is that easy.
Instead of knocking down the union workers why don't we raise up the non-union workers. Give everybody a govt job. The private sector would have to match or better that wage and benefits plan.
See generally, rampant inflation eventually leading to unsustainable prices for necessities across the world.
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