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Woman Who Invented Credit Default Swaps is One of the Key Architects of Carbon Derivatives, Which Would Be at the Very CENTER of Cap and Trade

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I have written hundreds of articles documenting that unregulated, speculative derivatives (especially credit default swaps) are a primary cause of the economic crisis.

And I have pointed out that (1) the giant banks will make a killing on carbon trading, (2) while the leading scientist crusading against global warming says it won't work, and (3) there is a very high probability of massive fraud and insider trading in the carbon trading markets.

Now, Bloomberg notes that the carbon trading scheme will be centered around derivatives:

The banks are preparing to do with carbon what they’ve done before: design and market derivatives contracts that will help client companies hedge their price risk over the long term. They’re also ready to sell carbon-related financial products to outside investors.

 

[Blythe] Masters says banks must be allowed to lead the way if a mandatory carbon-trading system is going to help save the planet at the lowest possible cost. And derivatives related to carbon must be part of the mix, she says. Derivatives are securities whose value is derived from the value of an underlying commodity -- in this case, CO2 and other greenhouse gases...

 

 

Who is Blythe Masters?

She is the JP Morgan employee who invented credit default swaps, and is now heading JPM's carbon trading efforts. As Bloomberg notes (this and all remaining quotes are from the above-linked Bloomberg article):

Masters, 40, oversees the New York bank’s environmental businesses as the firm’s global head of commodities...

 

As a young London banker in the early 1990s, Masters was part of JPMorgan’s team developing ideas for transferring risk to third parties. She went on to manage credit risk for JPMorgan’s investment bank.

Among the credit derivatives that grew from the bank’s early efforts was the credit-default swap.

Some in congress are fighting against carbon derivatives:

“People are going to be cutting up carbon futures, and we’ll be in trouble,” says Maria Cantwell, a Democratic senator from Washington state. “You can’t stay ahead of the next tool they’re going to create.”

 

Cantwell, 51, proposed in November that U.S. state governments be given the right to ban unregulated financial products. “The derivatives market has done so much damage to our economy and is nothing more than a very-high-stakes casino -- except that casinos have to abide by regulations,” she wrote in a press release...

However, Congress may cave in to industry pressure to let carbon derivatives trade over-the-counter:

The House cap-and-trade bill bans OTC derivatives, requiring that all carbon trading be done on exchanges...The bankers say such a ban would be a mistake...The banks and companies may get their way on carbon derivatives in separate legislation now being worked out in Congress...

Financial experts are also opposed to cap and trade:

Even George Soros, the billionaire hedge fund operator, says money managers would find ways to manipulate cap-and-trade markets. “The system can be gamed,” Soros, 79, remarked at a London School of Economics seminar in July. “That’s why financial types like me like it -- because there are financial opportunities”...

 

Hedge fund manager Michael Masters, founder of Masters Capital Management LLC, based in St. Croix, U.S. Virgin Islands [and unrelated to Blythe Masters] says speculators will end up controlling U.S. carbon prices, and their participation could trigger the same type of boom-and-bust cycles that have buffeted other commodities...

 

The hedge fund manager says that banks will attempt to inflate the carbon market by recruiting investors from hedge funds and pension funds.

 

“Wall Street is going to sell it as an investment product to people that have nothing to do with carbon,” he says. “Then suddenly investment managers are dominating the asset class, and nothing is related to actual supply and demand. We have seen this movie before.”

Indeed, as I have previously pointed out, many environmentalists are opposed to cap and trade as well. For example:

Michelle Chan, a senior policy analyst in San Francisco for Friends of the Earth, isn’t convinced.

 

“Should we really create a new $2 trillion market when we haven’t yet finished the job of revamping and testing new financial regulation?” she asks. Chan says that, given their recent history, the banks’ ability to turn climate change into a new commodities market should be curbed...

 

“What we have just been woken up to in the credit crisis -- to a jarring and shocking degree -- is what happens in the real world,” she says...

 

Friends of the Earth’s Chan is working hard to prevent the banks from adding carbon to their repertoire. She titled a March FOE report “Subprime Carbon?” In testimony on Capitol Hill, she warned, “Wall Street won’t just be brokering in plain carbon derivatives -- they’ll get creative.”

Yes, they'll get creative, and we have seen this movie before ...an inadequately-regulated carbon derivatives boom will destabilize the economy and lead to another crash.

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by anynonmous
on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 21:44
#156104

Testimony of Blythe Masters
JPMorgan Chase & Co.
Senate Agriculture Committee
December 2, 2009

statement

http://216.40.253.202/~usscanf/index.php?option=com_docman&task=doc_down...

video
http://www.senate.gov/fplayers/CommPlayer/commFlashPlayer.cfm?fn=ag12020...

 

Bloomberg

 

Carbon Capitalists Warming to Climate Market Using Derivatives

...That’s because Land Rover, official purveyor of 4x4s to Queen Elizabeth II, is helping Ugandans cut their greenhouse gas emissions with those new stoves.

These two worlds came together in the offices of Blythe Masters at JPMorgan Chase & Co. Masters, 40, oversees the New York bank’s environmental businesses as the firm’s global head of commodities. JPMorgan brokered a deal in 2007 for Land Rover to buy carbon credits from ClimateCare, an Oxford, England-based group that develops energy-efficiency projects around the world. Land Rover, now owned by Mumbai-based Tata Motors Ltd., is using the credits to offset some of the CO2 emissions produced by its vehicles.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aXRBOxU5KT5M

 

and Jamie's favorite website:

http://www.jpmorganclimatecare.com/

by zeta34
on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 22:37
#156161

None other than Goldman made sizeable acquisitions of private cap and trade companies back in pits of despair in October 2008.  So 1) they won't be regulated; 2) the government will bear massive losses to pay face value to Goldman and 3) Goldman knew with certainty more than a year ago that Cap and Trade would be a reality.

 

Re: #3...probably a lucky guess!

by Narcolepzzzzzz
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 10:12
#156494

Al Gore's Carbon Crusade

The Money and Connections Behind It:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:piOWhBVP0FgJ:www.capitalresear...

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 13:03
#156684

Of course GS freakin knew a year ago that Cap & Trade would be a reality. They also knew TARP would be a reality before Paulson went to the White House. They knew because they knew Obama would win? They gareenteed it when they crashed the market one month before the freakin presendential election.

Obama proabably would of won just on his lies about the war. But GS really wanted there investment in Obama guareeteed, and that is why the market was crashed one month before the election. Got it? Good.

Yes Wall St paid for Obama to look the other way while the looting still continues under the guise of "reform." And know this shit about Cap and Trade.

TD why the hell are you still in the game?

by E pluribus unum
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 18:20
#157175

Just out of curiosity, why did the markets crash in March 09 after Obama was already inaugurated?

by Shameful
on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 21:43
#156108

Sweet!  Confirmation that the carbon scheme will grow the infinite black hole of debt and impoverish anyone!  Why am I overcome with the desire to guzzle vodka till I kill enough brain cells so this trading plan with either make sense or I black out?  Who am I kidding, till I black out.  Even dead drunk this plan doesn't make sense unless you are a banker and raking in the suckers money. 

by Grifter
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 09:35
#156434

My family owns a considerable tract of land in western NY, and was just approached by a firm that pools small landowners together so that we can offer up our credits on the CCX in a size that will matter. 

My parents are jumping all over this so they can get an extra couple of $K per year as long as we continue to meet the extensive requirements put forth in the pooling agreement. 

I have been foaming at the mouth trying to convince them that they are ceding control over their property in order to participate in a scheme that will only make GS & the Goracle even more wealthy. 

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 15:27
#156909

That is one of the problems right there. If you buy credits from, say, a landowner who has acreage with lots a trees, then you are buying the right to pollute while there is nothing offsetting that created pollution. The trees were already there sucking up CO2. Calling this a carbon "offset" is entirely misleading, being there is nothing being offset in this example from before the credit to after the credit, just more legalized pollution. This is a bullshit scam and absolutely ridiculous that it is even considered. However, since this isn't about pollution control and noone cares about anything but money and campaign contributions, I expect it to pass overwhelmingly

by anynonmous
on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 22:24
#156118

forgive the link to the Sierra Club

 

JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon: Time to Walk the Talk on Coal

 

JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon professes profound concern for our future.  He has made numerous statements about how his company supports strong action on global warming. He waxes eloquently about how JP Morgan Chase is committed to investments in clean energy and he wants policy makers to provide leadership on curbing emissions of global warming.    But Sierra Club’s diligent researchers have pulled back the curtain and uncovered that his rhetoric doesn’t match his company’s action.  JPMorgan Chase is pouring billions of dollars into dirty coal plant projects

 

http://sierraclub.typepad.com/compass/2009/08/jp-morgan-chase-ceo-jamie-...

 

and this apparent epiphany

http://www.jpmorganclimatecare.com/about/news/GIIN/

and this

Carbon Acquisition Company Ltd to acquire EcoSecurities Group plc

http://www.jpmorgan.com/cm/cs?pagename=JPM_redesign/JPM_Content_C/Generi...

by anynonmous
on Mon, 12/07/2009 - 22:31
#156155

and this article from the summer from Bloomberg

Goldman Faces Carbon Market Curbs in Senate Proposals (Update1)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601130&sid=a9qWGysLQ.Cg

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 00:50
#156233

Australian Stock Exchange already trading futures and Option contracts on Certified Emission Reductions (CERs) and Australian Emissions Units (AEUs).

http://www.asx.com.au/products/futures/emissions_trading/index.htm

by digalert
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 00:53
#156235

Have they found anyone to insure these carbon trades? AIG maybe? Could be quite profitable for awhile.

by George Washington
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 00:53
#156236

For those who are not that familiar with credit default swaps, the version at my blog has a fuller discussion:

Woman Who Invented Credit Default Swaps is One of the Key Architects of Carbon Derivatives, Which Would Be at the Very CENTER of Cap and Trade

 

by Slewburger
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 02:25
#156279

Didn't Kenny Boy come up with this at Enron??

by George Washington
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 13:51
#156760

I've heard that rumor, but haven't been able to find a credible link.

Anyone ... Bueller?

by lovejoy
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 14:08
#156793

I don't know how much Ken Lay knew about cap and trade, but he was definately key in wrestling control of the over the counter market from the CFTC with the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000.

by Apocalypse Now
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 14:47
#156851

It's in the movie "Fall of the Republic" in direct questioning of Al Gore by a representative - the Representative said didn't you work with Ken L. on this to set it up - and Al Gore sputtered and stumbled and mumbled and blinked quickly then said something like that was before we learned he was crooked. 

This is the same kind of financial innovation that Enron was up to, no different.

by sgt_doom
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 20:12
#157364

Outstanding blog, GW, and since that GAO study explaining it is nothing more than a financial fraud and does little (actually NOTHING) to counter pollution, and as I, the intrepid sgt_doom am against this latest securitization scam, as is Peter Defazio, Dennis (super K) Kucinich, those Greenpeace people, and that husband-and-wife attorney team from EPA (carbonfees.org) as well as Dr. James Hansen (and he certainly ain't no DENIER!), it is voted down by mass opinion!

And to review:  Climate Exchange PLC (holding company registered in Isle of Man) financed by Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and the oil cartel. (And it owns all those other climate exchanges, from Chicago to Tienjin.)

The clearing house will be ICE US Trust (which is owned by ICE, Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan, Morgan Stanley, Markit Group, et al.)

ICE, InterContinental Exchange, is owned by Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley and the oil cartel).

Markit Group was originally finaced (and probably still covertly owned by) Goldman Sachs, JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup and B of A.

And we all know who owns the DTCC, right?

Now that's the big picture.

 

by delacroix
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 01:03
#156240

made me think of the guy, who got a ticket, for farting in a police car

by Rollerball
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 01:36
#156251

LOL +10

by rayen36
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 01:07
#156242

Is she hot?

by George Washington
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 01:41
#156255

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 02:10
#156271

NO

by DaveyJones
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 13:36
#156734

Is she hot? No but her afterlife is

by WaterWings
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 13:41
#156744

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 01:40
#156254

"ban unregulated financial products. "

Now *THAT* is a good idea.

by Comrade de Chaos
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 01:48
#156259

we all are traders:

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/tables/09s1169.pdf

 

trading, tradin, tradin 

by tom a taxpayer
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 01:48
#156260

Excerpt's from Crain's website about Blythe Masters:

When Blythe Masters checked into a London hospital to have her baby, she brought a wireless device to get quotes on commodity derivatives. It remained unused.

“Funnily enough, it turned out that being a mother was somewhat more time-consuming than I thought it would be,” Ms. Masters says.

Her passion for trading derivatives has served her well at J.P. Morgan, which she joined in 1991 after she got a degree from Cambridge University.

Ms. Masters made her career early on by recognizing the potential for credit derivatives, hedges that banks use to offset the risk of loan defaults. Despite her youth, she had enough gravitas to convince regulators around the world of the essential soundness of the little-known financial instruments.

Now she heads a team at J.P. Morgan that trades the contracts with all the world’s largest banks and other financial institutions, making her a rare commodity on Wall Street: a high-ranking, powerful female. Industrywide, the derivatives contracts she fostered total $4 trillion a year.

Ms. Masters’ hard-charging personal style once alienated others at J.P. Morgan, but she has become a smooth executive who inspires with her passion. She has gone through many other changes in the 10 years since her daughter was born. She moved from London to Manhattan, got a divorce and injected balance into her life.

Although she has mellowed, she hasn’t lost her zeal. In addition to overseeing the trading of credit derivatives, she sets industry concentration caps and establishes other limits for the bank’s global loan portfolio. To unwind, she competes in serious amateur horse shows.

http://mycrains.crainsnewyork.com/40under40/profiles/2004/228

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 14:11
#156803

Well, there y'go . . . . she was only doin' her job . . . "befehle sind befehle"

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 02:26
#156280

oh. my. ghod.

by Rick64
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 02:34
#156283

Well who do you expect to do it? GS? They are busy running the FED and the treasury, HFT, ect..

by bobby02
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 03:13
#156291

If our policy is to cut carbon emissions, we should simply tax them. That is not politically palatable, but probably much more effective than cap and trade (and would generate revenue for G).

"Woman Who Invented Credit Default Swaps" What is this, the New York Post? Amazing how many times this headline has been used. The woman was a jr banker on a team. That's like writting "Hillary Clinton Forced Nixon to Resign"

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 08:39
#156376

not so fast bobby:

http://www.newyorker.com/arts/critics/books/2009/06/01/090601crbo_books_...

 

The Boca Raton meeting first bore fruit when Exxon needed to open a line of credit to cover potential damages of five billion dollars resulting from the 1989 Exxon Valdez oil spill. J. P. Morgan was reluctant to turn down Exxon, which was an old client, but the deal would tie up a lot of reserve cash to provide for the risk of the loans going bad.

In late 1994, Blythe Masters, a member of the J. P. Morgan swaps team, pitched the idea of selling the credit risk to the European Bank of Reconstruction and Development. So, if Exxon defaulted, the E.B.R.D. would be on the hook for it—and, in return for taking on the risk, would receive a fee from J. P. Morgan. Exxon would get its credit line, and J. P. Morgan would get to honor its client relationship but also to keep its credit lines intact for sexier activities. The deal was so new that it didn’t even have a name: eventually, the one settled on was “credit-default swap.”

a bit ironic that the 1st CDS was to offload the risk of a oil spill cleanup yes?

by bobby02
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 10:53
#156547

Interesting. Didn't know that. Maybe we should change the title to "15-years on, Exxon Toxic Waste Still Causes Problems."

 

 

 

 

Still, 20-smth jr bankers at bulge bracket firms don't decide sht. Just sayin.

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 11:05
#156556

agreed...however 20-smth jr bankers who come up with ingenious ways to push risks off to some other sucker do get promoted into positions where they do decide shit...positions like Global Head of Commodities (oil, PMs, food, carbon) for JPMorganRockafella.

by bobby02
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 13:08
#156690

touche

by Apocalypse Now
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 04:41
#156305

I saw Obama's head of the EPA on the Daily Show and she said that they weren't going to regulate your exhaling breath...yet (to chuckles, nervous laughter).  They might as well regulate water and call it a dangerous substance.  This administration is losing  credibility, it's dangerous to lie to the american public, just tell us the truth about peak cheap oil, mercury pollution, and our foreign war policy position to defend oil imports.  Do not sacrifice any sovereignty over fake global warming and enrich oligarch bankers.

I think a reference to the Police song "Every Breath You Take" is apt for the coming Police state:

Every breath you take and every move you make
Every bond you break
Every step you take, I'll be watching you
Every single day and every word you say
Every game you play
Every night you stay, I'll be watching you
Oh can't you see you belong to me?

Your breath generates CO2, your freedom of movement generates CO2, CO2 is generated by the breaking of molecular bonds.  The police state wants to track it all, they'll be watching you and they want to own you.

Best video ever on "global warming": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8

The video is from a nobel prize winner, when they meant something.

by Shameful
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 08:15
#156356

"it's dangerous to lie to the american public"

Since when?  Has any admistration told us the truth for the last 100 years?  Find me a good man in the white house since 1913 and I'll show you Warren G Harding.  And they want the carbon tax, it's the ultimate F-You.  After all what tyrant has not dreamed of an air tax?  "Wait now, you are breathing the kings air!  Have you paid you're air taxes?"

by docj
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 08:36
#156374

+1, well said.

Anytime the climate-change pimps want to stop exhaling is fine by me.

by Apocalypse Now
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 13:51
#156759

It's dangerous because we now have the communication medium called the internet, and it spreads truth far and wide.  This is why Obama now has the lowest approval rating of any president at this point of presidency and our congress is about the same.  This can only go so far as the government makes itself completely irrelevant and they lose all credibility, by supporting and embracing frauds, they become frauds. Their propaganda programming machine, the TV, is breaking down as more and more people can't pay their cable bills and the public tunes out.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” - Joseph Goebbels

by Whatta
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 10:24
#156512

your post reminds me of the news item out of, I believe it was Denamrk in the last couple of weeks. GPS units to be mandated into all vehicles. Purpose - to determine where you drive and how much you  drive so you can be taxed accordingly.

 

Do you suppose if enough of us pooled our funds together we could buy a small nation somewhere and manifest our own destinies for the common good rahter than the oligarchial good?.....though I suppose 0Bama would invade us as a terrorist threat...

by quezrho
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 11:24
#156582

Good video, thanks fo posting

by bonddude
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 17:35
#157106

Fresh water contracts are part of the plan. I wish I could link it for you. But that idea was offered by one of the inside people.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 05:39
#156313

My background is almost 25 years in market regulation and development, six of them as director of a global energy exchange.

I wrote five years ago in Energy Risk

http://www.opencapital.net/papers/Opinionemissions.pdf

about the structurally flawed EU emissions scheme, and since then I have been working - with a little support from a Norwegian government agency - to develop an alternative solution that should be comprehensible to anyone who understands Frequent Flyer Miles.

This is simply for energy producers collectively to create - within an Energy Clearing Union framework - "Energy Pools" of Units redeemable in payment for energy, and for the resulting funds to be used for direct 'Peer to Peer' investment in renewable Mega Watts, and energy saving Nega Watts.

This recent presentation in Scotland focused on electricity

http://www.slideshare.net/ChrisJCook/energy-pools-scottish-energy-institute-11-11-2009

and this one, was in Rotterdam at a gas trading conference

http://www.slideshare.net/ChrisJCook/gas-market-presentation-03-12-2009

The key is to 'monetise', value appropriately, and distribute Units which are intrinsically valuable, rather than Units whose value is imposed by political and administrative 'fiat'.

Is it any surprise that the people behind the monetisation of intrinsically worthless CO2 are the same people who brought us the Credit Crunch by monetising intrinsically worthless bank IOUs...?

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 08:47
#156387

thanks for sharing this chris.

to answer your question: no surprise at all....then again, this is really not about saving our environment is it? 

it's about saving the banks (and the queen's dowry).

cap & trade is the eye of the needle they're going to try to force their camels through.

by bonddude
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 17:39
#157114

M att Ta ibbi discussed the "who" part at the end of his bubbles article in july. It doesn't take much guessing as to who.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/28816321/inside_the_great_ame... ?

by MBP_67
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 07:58
#156344

She looks like that pig maddow..:-)

by Hidetora
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 08:06
#156345

Shaking my head with a languid sorrow...

by Cognitive Dissonance
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 09:22
#156421

Well it's nice to see that women participate in the financial alchemy as well or even better than the boyz. The world has become an equal opportunity employer for anyone who can create financial weapons of mass destruction.

Of course, no one who creates these items ever assumes they will be used in any manner other than what they created them for. To do so would require placing responsibility for your actions squarely where it belongs. That's the wonderful denial of faceless blameless destruction.

And pretty at that. All the better than ugly old men with beer bellies.

http://mycrains.crainsnewyork.com/40under40/profiles/2004/228

by tip e. canoe
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 09:52
#156460

maybe mistress masters of morgan is just trying to invoke her inner kali.
if so, she's doing a damn fine job.

 

by dark pools of soros
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 12:48
#156657

great .. what is she really injecting herself with these days??

She has gone through many other changes in the 10 years since her daughter was born. She moved from London to Manhattan, got a divorce and injected balance into her life

by Sqworl
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 09:36
#156436

She was the main Character in Fool's Gold...She should be deported back to UK and hung by the neck till DEAD.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 09:57
#156468

I don't know why anyone should get all worked up over this. Masters and Jamie are our friends. Let them alone! They're just building a great big house of cards. If the POG goes south because of this fantastic financial innovation....well, ok then. The ultimate collapse makes a little gold bug happy.

by vanderrook
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 10:01
#156474

I can't believe we are still even talking about this shit. Carbon derivatives?! The global warming, at least to the degree that people like IPCC et al are talking about, is complete bullshit. No matter though; the fraud must be expanded to the banking system- we've run out of other fraudulent games to play.

How is this even a consideration at this point?

I am currently writing this while freezing my stones off; bring the REAL warming on- not the Goddamn Cap and Fraud!

 

by bonddude
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 17:42
#157118

Think it's BS do ya? Google C hicago C limate  exchange and see who's involved and what they've done.

by Failure to Comm...
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 19:59
#157351

Most of the usual suspects...I see that their credit prices have dropped like a rock since July. And,'CFI®-US Futures

The first tool for directly hedging exposure under a potential mandatory U.S. greenhouse gas trading program.'

They are off to the races... Thank god JPM is supplying liquidity to this market.

 

by sgt_doom
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 20:14
#157367

And just wait until that so-called "public option" is passed, with the taxpayer now forced to underwrite the insurance companies and banksters' exchange (insurance exchange) where they will then speculate on their fairly recently developed mortality-linked securities and mortality derivatives and mortality swaps and q-Forwards......

by Miyagi_san
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 10:44
#156534

So my nice lawn and plentiful trees can get me a carbon credit for my 9 MPG truck

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 10:45
#156535

Just one of thus weird ass mumbo jumbo factoids from the thoughtosphere:

Carbon is 6 electrons, 6 neutrons and 6 protons.

666.

The number of Teh Beast.

-MobBarles

by Apocalypse Now
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 13:55
#156767

That is interesting, thanks.

If they couple this with tracking health care, finances, and carbon credits using RFID chips (already used in pets and some people) you can call BINGO.  The new RFID chips use lithium and are implanted between the thumb and pointer finger where there are enough temperature changes to recharge the RFID chip.  It sounds much like the Revelations prophecy stating nobody could buy or sell without it.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 10:54
#156548

The Cap & Trade scheme is engineered to cause a crisis. Being at the right end of a crisis poses the possibility of massive profits and massive fraud. This scheme exploits the economic principle of "perfectly inelastic" supply. With the supply absolutely fixed, increase in demand can not bring new suppliers online. That means nothing except the ability to pay constrains the price. Not only is the supply fixed, but the supply is deliberately reduced year by year until the crisis explodes. The people who designed this know this is the endgame.

Carbon credit isn't a good or service. It contains no productivity. This is just a massive black hole to steal money from the people while they pay everything for nothing.

by Apocalypse Now
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 13:41
#156742

Excellent Comment!!

Glad to see you know the end game and why this must be stopped.

How many others want to pay everything for nothing?

by Failure to Comm...
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 19:51
#157337

'Want' does not enter the equation here.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 11:01
#156552

I find it interesting that the woman does not have a Wikipedia entry. Anyone feel like starting one?

Awhile ago there was an article in the Huffington Post that blamed the derivatives crisis on greedy men, that women would never do something like that and maybe women should be put in charge of the financial system from now on, yadayada. That's about when I stopped reading the Huffington Post.

by JacksWastedLife
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 11:17
#156571

wow! they're almost created the global market for literally selling the air - at least CO2 part of it - the Carbon Default Swaps. =)

I admire those shameless bastards!

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 12:01
#156617

"Belvedere: Tell me. What do you do with witches?
Villager: BUUUURN!!!!! BUUUUUURRRRNN!!!!! You BURN them!!!! BURN!!
Belvedere: And what do you burn apart from witches?
Villager: More Witches!.........

Belvedere: So, *logically*...
Villager: (very slowly, with pauses between each word) If... she.. .weighs the same as a duck...... she's made of wood.
Belvedere: and therefore...

(pause)

Villager: A Witch!
All Villagers: A WITCH! BUUUUUUUURRRB HER

Got Ducks?

by Failure to Comm...
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 20:05
#157355

Is AFLAC involved ?

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 12:22
#156633

Looking for an easy way to explain to your friends and family is not a good idea? Check this out...

http://www.storyofstuff.com/capandtrade/

by dark pools of soros
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 12:39
#156647

I've been saying this over and over.. so happy to hear a rep say it.. I will donate to her even though I dont live in her state.

 

The derivatives market has done so much damage to our economy and is nothing more than a very-high-stakes casino -- except that casinos have to abide by regulations,” she wrote in a press release...

by Prophet of Wise
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 12:40
#156648

The time is come, the day draweth near: let not the buyer rejoice, nor the seller mourn: for wrath is upon all the multitude thereof. Ezekiel 7:12

by joebren
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 13:12
#156699

Now we're goin to trade 'stink bombs' - wow.

by Hammer59
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 15:10
#156888

Senator Cantwell (D), WA decries "You cant stay ahead of the next tool their going to create". If the two party political system were not so consumed with destroying each other--and consequently the nation that they were elected to govern--they could regulate or outlaw these counter-intuitive "tools" the banksters regurgitate. The Blythe Masters of the world need to punished for the misery they inflict whilst seeking to greedily enrich themselves. Climate change is a real problem. Self serving schemers who try to "game" the solutions should'nt be.

by Hammer59
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 15:14
#156894

Senator Cantwell (D), WA decries "You cant stay ahead of the next tool their going to create". If the two party political system were not so consumed with destroying each other--and consequently the nation that they were elected to govern--they could regulate or outlaw these counter-intuitive "tools" the banksters regurgitate. The Blythe Masters of the world need to punished for the misery they inflict whilst seeking to greedily enrich themselves. Climate change is a real problem. Self serving schemers who try to "game" the solutions should'nt be.

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 17:47
#157130

Trading hot air seems appropriate :)

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/dec/03/copenhagen-summit-carbon-trading-scam

by Failure to Comm...
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 20:11
#157363

Copenhagen fallout from Der Spiegel...

'

Copenhagen's city council in conjunction with Lord Mayor Ritt Bjerregaard sent postcards out to 160 Copenhagen hotels urging COP15 guests and delegates to 'Be sustainable - don't buy sex'.

 

"Dear hotel owner, we would like to urge you not to arrange contacts between hotel guests and prostitutes," the approach to hotels says.

Now, Copenhagen prostitutes are up in arms, saying that the council has no business meddling in their affairs. They have now offered free sex to anyone who can produce one of the offending postcards and their COP15 identity card, according to the Web site avisen.dk. '

http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,665182,00.html

Probably explains why Obama isn't showing up till the last day. Michelle must have read this...heh

by Anonymous
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 18:37
#157201

the level of this post reminds me of the english tabloid The Evening Standard or one of those papers you find for free in the metro. These simplistic, trivial and completely under-researched posts are giving a bad name to this website.

Oh you've proved cds are evil evil evil by writing " hundreds of posts "? How very interesting...

GW, why don't you leave the more technical posts to people who know what they are talking about and stick instead with the geopolitical stuff ??

by Failure to Comm...
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 20:12
#157366

Such a brave,anonymous poster...

by TumblingDice
on Wed, 12/09/2009 - 09:10
#157716

why don't you present additional research that you feel is missing from this post?

by celticgold
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 19:18
#157284

 yep

by Privatus
on Tue, 12/08/2009 - 21:40
#157440

The carbon trading hustlers and their government whores (but I repeat myself) are painting a very, very big target on themselves. If people wake up to the fact that the core of their existence is being taxed by unaccountable elites based on the biggest lie in history, there will be blood in the streets. If not, we are facing a new dark age as the lifeblood of modern civilisation, energy, is taxed into oblivion. The parallels are ominous. The global warming scam is our generation's Final Solution, with the carbon trading cartel running the gas chambers. Pure fucking evil.

by TumblingDice
on Wed, 12/09/2009 - 09:15
#157719

Hard to surprise me nowadays but this was quite the eye opener GW. To be fair, we need to expand our synthetic economy in order to be able to funnel the necessary debt into it, because we sure can funnel the exponentially expanding debt into the real economy lest we risk inflation and non-moral hazard. Don't know if I'm making sense so I'll rephrase. We need to expand our debt in order to preserve the current system since it depends on an ever expanding money supply to account for the interest...so they are going to try to put this new money as far away from the economy and as close to them as possible, while enjoying the niceties of gambling in the process.

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