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World Nuclear News Forensic Analysis Of Events At Fukushima Nuclear Plant

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Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:20 | 1044417 Muir
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Tis but a scratch.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:17 | 1044532 sushi
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1130 EST News Release:

Sunday, March 13, 2011

Meltdown Caused Nuke Plant Explosion: Safety Body

TOKYO (Nikkei)--The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) said Saturday afternoon the explosion at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant could only have been caused by a meltdown of the reactor core.

The same day, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501), which runs the plant, began to flood the damaged reactor with seawater to cool it down, resorting to measures that could rust the reactor and force the utility to scrap it.

edit to correct release time

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:32 | 1044578 goldfish1
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"It is unclear if the quake has undermined the containment building, which might allow radioactivity to leak out."

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:47 | 1044618 DosZap
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Out if 5 reactors damaged,( and all at risk) the shift in the earths Axis concerns me more.

Talk about Climate change?.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:09 | 1044915 Spalding_Smailes
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• Urgent: Cooling system fails at the Fukushima No. 2 plant •

TOKYO, March 12, Kyodo

The cooling system failed at three reactors of the quake-hit Fukushima No. 2 nuclear power plant Saturday, the operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

The company, which has already scrambled to deal with radiation leaks at its Fukushima No. 1 plant, notified the industry ministry that the failsafe system at the No. 2 plant stopped functioning as the temperature of coolant water has topped 100 C.



Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:26 | 1045114 Cognitive Dissonance
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This image appears to be of Unit 1 after the explosion. I posted other images on the main ZH story.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:13 | 1045262 Yardfarmer
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i suppose this is redundant by now, but Japanese Government has confirmed a meltdown at Fukushima


Sun, 03/13/2011 - 03:53 | 1045425 zhandax
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No, an intelligence (cough) company in Austin, TX has reported that the Japanese government has confirmed a meltdown of the core.  Stratfor (a company founded in Austin, TX in 1996) apparently does not differentiate between melting of the core and meltdown of the core.  I just deleted the remainder of this post after realizing I had a bad case of acronym dyslexia.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 23:21 | 1045683 Iam_Silverman
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The missing sheet metal that normally surrounds the upper part of the Reactor Building (Secondary Containment Structure are designed to "blow out" at about 8 - 15 psid.  That would be consistent with a hydrogen explosion in the exhaust ventilation plenum.

Hydrogen in the drywell (primary containment) is usually not a good sign.  As pointed out, the source could be from "zirc hydriding", or could be from the Hydrogen normally injected into the feedwater stream in order to scavenge free oxygen.  Either way, that is bad news.  I think that the DBA (Design Basis Accident) methodolgy has just be redefined.  There will be some interesting reading in the near future - I am sure that the lessons learned from this will change how nuclear plants are operated in future - not just in Japan, but around the world.  These incidents are usually disseminated by WANO ( http://www.wano.info/ )to INPO ( http://www.inpo.info/ ) here in the states.


Maybe I can get a job in the finance sector?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:51 | 1044767 Diogenes
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"Tis but a scratch."

Tis not so deep as a well, nor so wide as a church door but t'will serve, t'will answer.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:49 | 1044873 Muir
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Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:58 | 1045064 johnQpublic
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its all fun and games 'til somebody grows an extra eye

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 08:39 | 1046280 kita27
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Amish dude-  'tis a fine barn but sure it is no pool, english'

Homer- Doh!

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 06:57 | 1046199 The Alarmist
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How is that reactor name pronounced?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 08:43 | 1046283 Antipodeus
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Sigh! ... "F ... U ... K ... U ..."  Oh!?  I get it!  You were jaking the moke - no?  HAHAHA ... then FU2 & the 5-legged horse you came in ... err, 'on' ... err, 'over' ... um, 'got off'.  Aw, hell, you know what I mean.  ;=)


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:22 | 1044421 Caviar Emptor
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Right now, SkyNews nuclear consultant John Large states that he doubts the reassurances being given by Japanese government. Expanding evacuation zones and a 30 mile news "cordon" belie the reassurances. 

He agrees that the explosion pattern is highly suggestive of a blown reactor vessel. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1044486 Cognitive Dissonance
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In cases such as this expect the public announcements and explanations from "authorities" to be two or three steps behind the actual events. In a strange dance played by people who wish to cover up or diminish bad news, as events progress what was previously considered to be too explosive to be admitted to is now considered acceptable because circumstances have become even worse.

Often the authorities are themselves in denial about the severity of the problem and they are bargaining with themselves as to what to tell the public. This is why we often find out after the fact that things were much worse much earlier than we were told. Some of it is cover up, some outright denial and bargaining.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:30 | 1044834 RichardP
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And most of it is outright absence of factual information.  To expect "facts" to ever be correct in the midst of an emergency is foolish.

We admire science because of its careful process for sifting through information in order to figure out what the facts truely are.  No such careful sifting of information can ever be done until long after the emergency has played itself out.  Reporting during the middle of an emergency should always be suspect.  And not because the leaders are intentionally trying to mislead us.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:22 | 1044424 THE DORK OF CORK
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This is not a good day for the French nuclear industry - even though they use a different light water reactor design (PWR)

The bad karma from this will travel far.

On top of that the Gauls have just lost against the Romans for the first time in 2000 years !!!!!!!!!

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 08:47 | 1046287 Antipodeus
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That's curious ... I could have sworn that the Gauls had been under the thumb of 'Rome' for most of the last 2000-odd years.


Sun, 03/13/2011 - 14:47 | 1046902 THE DORK OF CORK
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True true - it was a rugby union thingy.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:31 | 1044440 Caviar Emptor
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I continue to be impressed by the superficial reporting about the effects of the tsunami itself. I'm watching 3 news sources simultaneously: No reporting about where rescue victims are being housed (and there are tens of thousands). No reports of disease containment (with open sewers pouring out and lack of available drinking water). No reports about security (anti-looting etc). No reports about Red Cross activity and the usual appeal for money. No reports about "our heroes" in the Japan or international rescue workers and armed forces. Letting a news op like this slip by is very uncharacteristic. 

This could be a tip off as to how massively they're covering something big. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1044491 AN0NYM0US
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interesting observation, on the networks last night there was alomost more coverage of the marina in Crescent City, CA along with the Tsunami vid loop

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:54 | 1044505 Bay of Pigs
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It is a wasteland.

The ADD MSM crowd thinks you just dust yourself off and sweep the floor and it's all good.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:00 | 1044517 TBT or not TBT
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Or it could be that this is a country and a people largely prepared and able to help themselves.     It ain't Haiti or Indonesia.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 15:49 | 1047005 hbjork1
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It did take the Japanese a couple of decades to get their industry in full swing after being A-bombed twice.  And another decade to start beating the victors in automotive sales.  It didn't hurt that they are a relatively old culture and have had many millennia to work out their mutually accepted societial disiplinary rules.  

Nuclear accidents are, under the best of conditions, bad news.  The population will have to deal with reduced expectations for awhile.  But, IMO, they will do it as efficiently as any population on earth. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:31 | 1044576 moneymutt
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Our MSM is obsessed with coast towns, anything that happens on East Coast or Cali is given way more attention than anything that happens in flyover land or PAc NW...however, if we Minot ND had major flooding and half town taken out, even if it was completely inaccessible from land/roads, we would be getting flyover palne and copter pics within 4-8 hours all over CNN but in Japan, just a couple of shots when tsunami is bitting....Japan is blacking out things


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 23:30 | 1045706 Iam_Silverman
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"Our MSM is obsessed with coast towns, anything that happens on East Coast or Cali"

Yup, almost 6,500 acres burn just a few miles from me and all they want to cover is the NFL labor strife.


Sun, 03/13/2011 - 16:05 | 1047041 New_Meat
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mutt:  was reminded of the red-blue county election maps, e.g.:


otoh, having the Boston Globe drooling over an illegal who scammed her way into a house, well, u don't need that kind of attention.

- Ned

{four legs good}

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:17 | 1044682 Id fight Gandhi
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Japanese are disciplined, honorable people. Looting shouldnt be an issue.
It isn't Haiti or L.A.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:37 | 1044849 DeeDeeTwo
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The Japanese lack the "crime gene"... unlike the Blacks or the Jews, baby. Expect a new genre of adult video... Tsunami Porn.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:29 | 1045029 granolageek
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Then what is the "Yakuza"?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:40 | 1045044 johnQpublic
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Tsunami Porn


thats not like mega bukake is it?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:49 | 1044874 thefedisscam
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Apparently, you know Little about Japanese culture. One thing you will NOT see in Japan under this kind of huge natural disaster is looting or robbery or any other human crime. Loot what? food and water and whatever service  are all FREE of Charge in hard hit areas. Rob money or jewelry? What is the point? when people are fighting for their own lives, Wealth will be the LAST thing on their mind!

One reason you do not hear much report perhaps has a lot to do with the large scale Blackout in Toyko. Looks like a lot of Toyko's electricity is supplied by those nuclear plant. So when they are shut down, Toyko has no much power left.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:43 | 1045296 Mentaliusanything
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One reason you do not hear much report perhaps has a lot to do with the large scale Blackout in Toyko. Looks like a lot of Toyko's electricity is supplied by those nuclear plant. So when they are shut down, Toyko has no much power left.

Then that means fresh food will spoil and food / fresh water will generally be hard to find for such a large population.

3 days from now we shall see if the Japanese will be the same gentle people.

These 'after shocks' are not always what you imagine. It is not a good idea to stay in a city at times like these.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:03 | 1046201 The Alarmist
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3 days from now we shall see if the Japanese will be the same gentle people.

Uh, the same "gentle people" who only a generation or so ago led the Bataan Death March?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 13:51 | 1046780 Orly
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Manchuria was an anomly as well, I believe.  But if any people have learned their lessons about the cruelty of war, it would be the Japanese.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:03 | 1044909 NewThor
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I was watching the coverage about 5 minutes after the Tsunami hit. 

I ended up on FOX NEWS and their coverage was obscene.

We're seeing an entire city being swept away like a horror film in black tides of flaming 

debris and the talking heads were doing an up to the minute Death count.

"We've got 1 confirmed death!"

"We've got 3 confirmed deaths!

"We've got 14 confirmed deaths!"

"We've got 18 confirmed deaths!"

"We've got 23 confirmed deaths!"

"We've got 27 confirmed deaths!"


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:06 | 1045254 goldfish1
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Obscene about sums it up.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:04 | 1046203 The Alarmist
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Yeah, they did this the last time there was a big tsunami.  800 dead, 4000 dead, 20000, etc.  Almost exponential after a couple days.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 08:54 | 1046295 Antipodeus
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Yeah, I think FauxNoose stopped counting after about 250,000.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 22:41 | 1045496 trav7777
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why the fuck would there be looting?  This is Japan...they are not blacks.

As for the rest, the Japs pull together in disasters and help each other...again, this isn't an african population

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 06:27 | 1046185 Lord Koos
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fuck you

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:11 | 1046210 h3m1ngw4y
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you may not realize it but you prove his point

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:30 | 1044446 vas deferens
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Time to call BP and smash open the sea floor to get at some oil. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:32 | 1044450 SignsAndWonders
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Setting aside cynicism and arm chair excitement over events accross the sea, I hope that all goes well.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:38 | 1044461 Caviar Emptor
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Japan nuclear agency rates Fukushima plant accident at 4 on the international scale of 1 to 7. (7 was Chernobyl)

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:38 | 1044466 fuu
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1 core is being supressed with sea water and boric acid.

6 others are being vented to release pressure. I know the quote is speaking directly to Daiichi 1-3 but does it apply for the venting of Daini 1-4 as well?

"Without enough power for cooling systems, decay heat from the reactor cores of units 1, 2 and 3 has gradually reduced coolant water levels through evaporation. The consequent increase in pressure in the coolant circuit can be managed via pressure release valves. However, this leads to an increase in pressure within the reactor building containment." 

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