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World Nuclear News Forensic Analysis Of Events At Fukushima Nuclear Plant

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With much conflicting and biased news coming out of the mainstream media in its perfectly explainable attempt to prevent panic among the population, the World Nuclear News has released the best and most objective analysis of the events that have transpired and that have yet to transpire at Fukushima we have read to date.

Reactor overview:

Fukushima Daiichi

Unit 1
- 439 MWe BWR, 1971
- Automatically shut down
- Water level decreasing
- Pressure release implemented
- Explosion observed 

- Containment believed intact
- Seawater injection has started
- Radiation levels unchanged after

Unit 2
- 760 MWe BWR, 1974
- Automatically shut down
- Water level lower but steady
- Preparations for pressure release

Unit 3
- 760 MWe BWR, 1976
- Automatically shut down
- Preparations for pressure release

Unit 4
- 760 MWe BWR, 1978
- Shut for periodic inspection

Unit 5
- 760 MWe BWR, 1978
- Shut for periodic inspection

Unit 6
- 1067 MWe BWR, 1979
- Shut for periodic inspection
Fukushima Daini 

Unit 1

- 1067 MWe BWR, 1982
- Automatically shut down
- Offsite power available
- Water level stable
- Preparations for pressure release

Unit 2
- 1067 MWe BWR, 1984
- Automatically shut down
- Offsite power available
- Water level stable
- Preparations for pressure release

Unit 3
- 1067 MWe BWR, 1985
- Automatically shut down
- Offsite power available
- Water level stable
- Preparations for pressure release

Unit 4
- 1067 MWe BWR, 1987
- Automatically shut down
- Offsite power available
- Water level stable
- Preparations for pressure release

From World Nuclear News.

Attention is focused on the Fukushima Daiichi and Daini
nuclear power plants as Japan struggles to cope in the aftermath of its
worst earthquake in recorded history. An explosion has been seen at the
site and seawater is now being injected to the plant.

Three of Fukushima Daiichi's six reactors were in operation when
yesterday's quake hit, at which point they shut down automatically and
commenced removal of residual heat with the help of emergency diesel
generators. These suddenly stopped about an hour later, and this has
been put down to tsunami flooding by the International Atomic Energy
Agency (IAEA).

The loss of the diesels led the plant owners Tokyo Electric Power Company (Tepco) to immediately notify the government of a technical emergency situation, which allows officials to take additional precautionary measures.

For many hours the primary focus of work at the site was to connect enough portable power modules to fully replace the diesels and enable the full operation of cooling systems.

Pressure and releases

Without enough power for cooling systems, decay heat from the reactor cores of units 1, 2 and 3 has gradually reduced coolant water levels through evaporation. The consequent increase in pressure in the coolant circuit can be managed via pressure release valves. However, this leads to an increase in pressure within the reactor building containment. Tepco has said that the pressure within the containment of Fukushima Daiichi 1 has reached around 840 kPa, compared to reference levels of 400 kPa.

The company has decided to manage this "for those units that cannot confirm certain levels of water injection" by means of a controlled release of air and water vapour to the atmosphere. Because this water has been through the reactor core, this would inevitably mean a certain release of radiation. The IAEA said this would be filtered to retain radiation within the containment. Tepco has confirmed it was in the process of relieving pressure at unit 1 while preparing to do the same for units 2 and 3


Television cameras trained on the plant captured a dramatic explosion surrounding unit 1 at around 6pm. Amid a visible pressure release and a cloud of dust it was not possible to know the extent of the damage. The external building structure does not act as the containment, which is an airtight engineered boundary within. Chief cabinet secretary Yukio Edano appeared on television to clarify that the explosion had damaged the walls and roof of the reactor building but had not compromised the containment. 

Monitoring of Fukushima Daiichi 1 had previously shown an increase in radiation levels detected emerging from the plant via routes such as the exhaust stack and the discharge canal. Tepco have said that the amount of radioactive material such as iodine it is detecting have been increasing. The amount of radiation at the site boundary now exceeds a regulatory limit triggering another set of emergency precautions.

To protect the public from potential health effects of radioactive isotopes of iodine that could potentially be released, authorities are preparing to distribute tablets of non-radioactive potassium-iodide. This is quickly taken up by the body and its presence prevents the take-up of iodine should people be exposed to it.

The injection of seawater into the building started at 8.20pm and this will be followed by addition of boric acid, which is used to inhibit nuclear reactions.

Over the last several hours evacuation orders for local residents have been incrementally increased and now cover people living within 20 kilometres of the power plant.

Raised temperatures  

Meanwhile at adjacent Fukushima Daini, where four reactors have been shut down safely since the earthquake hit, Tepco has notified government of another emergency status. 

Unit 1's reactor core isolation cooling system had been operating normally, and this was later supplemented by a separate make-up water condensate system. However, the latter was lost at 5.32am local time when its suppression chamber reached 100ºC. This led Tepco to notify government of another technical emergency situation. 

Tepco has announced it has decided to prepare for controlled releases to ease pressure in the containments of all four units at Fukushima Daini.  

A three kilometre evacuation is in progress, with residents in a zone out to ten kilometres given notice of potential expansion.


A seriously injured worker was trapped within Fukushima Daiichi unit 1 in the crane operating console of the exhaust stack and is now confirmed to have died. Four workers were injured by the explosion at the same reactor and have been taken to hospital. A contractor was found unconscious and taken to hospital.

Two workers of a 'cooperative firm' were injured, said Tepco; one with a broken bone.

At Fukushima Daiini unit 3 one worker received a radiation dose of 106 mSv. This is comparable to levels deemed acceptable in emergency situations by some national nuclear safety regulators.

The whereabout of two Tepco workers remains unkonwn.

h/t Themos Mitsos



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Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:20 | 1044417 Muir
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Tis but a scratch.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:17 | 1044532 sushi
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1130 EST News Release:

Sunday, March 13, 2011

Meltdown Caused Nuke Plant Explosion: Safety Body

TOKYO (Nikkei)--The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency (NISA) said Saturday afternoon the explosion at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant could only have been caused by a meltdown of the reactor core.

The same day, Tokyo Electric Power Co. (9501), which runs the plant, began to flood the damaged reactor with seawater to cool it down, resorting to measures that could rust the reactor and force the utility to scrap it.

edit to correct release time

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:32 | 1044578 goldfish1
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"It is unclear if the quake has undermined the containment building, which might allow radioactivity to leak out."

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:47 | 1044618 DosZap
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Out if 5 reactors damaged,( and all at risk) the shift in the earths Axis concerns me more.

Talk about Climate change?.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:09 | 1044915 Spalding_Smailes
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• Urgent: Cooling system fails at the Fukushima No. 2 plant •

TOKYO, March 12, Kyodo

The cooling system failed at three reactors of the quake-hit Fukushima No. 2 nuclear power plant Saturday, the operator Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

The company, which has already scrambled to deal with radiation leaks at its Fukushima No. 1 plant, notified the industry ministry that the failsafe system at the No. 2 plant stopped functioning as the temperature of coolant water has topped 100 C.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:26 | 1045114 Cognitive Dissonance
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This image appears to be of Unit 1 after the explosion. I posted other images on the main ZH story.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:13 | 1045262 Yardfarmer
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i suppose this is redundant by now, but Japanese Government has confirmed a meltdown at Fukushima

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 03:53 | 1045425 zhandax
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No, an intelligence (cough) company in Austin, TX has reported that the Japanese government has confirmed a meltdown of the core.  Stratfor (a company founded in Austin, TX in 1996) apparently does not differentiate between melting of the core and meltdown of the core.  I just deleted the remainder of this post after realizing I had a bad case of acronym dyslexia.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 23:21 | 1045683 Iam_Silverman
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The missing sheet metal that normally surrounds the upper part of the Reactor Building (Secondary Containment Structure are designed to "blow out" at about 8 - 15 psid.  That would be consistent with a hydrogen explosion in the exhaust ventilation plenum.

Hydrogen in the drywell (primary containment) is usually not a good sign.  As pointed out, the source could be from "zirc hydriding", or could be from the Hydrogen normally injected into the feedwater stream in order to scavenge free oxygen.  Either way, that is bad news.  I think that the DBA (Design Basis Accident) methodolgy has just be redefined.  There will be some interesting reading in the near future - I am sure that the lessons learned from this will change how nuclear plants are operated in future - not just in Japan, but around the world.  These incidents are usually disseminated by WANO ( )to INPO ( ) here in the states.


Maybe I can get a job in the finance sector?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:51 | 1044767 Diogenes
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"Tis but a scratch."

Tis not so deep as a well, nor so wide as a church door but t'will serve, t'will answer.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:49 | 1044873 Muir
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Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:58 | 1045064 johnQpublic
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its all fun and games 'til somebody grows an extra eye

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 08:39 | 1046280 kita27
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Amish dude-  'tis a fine barn but sure it is no pool, english'

Homer- Doh!

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 06:57 | 1046199 The Alarmist
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How is that reactor name pronounced?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 08:43 | 1046283 Antipodeus
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Sigh! ... "F ... U ... K ... U ..."  Oh!?  I get it!  You were jaking the moke - no?  HAHAHA ... then FU2 & the 5-legged horse you came in ... err, 'on' ... err, 'over' ... um, 'got off'.  Aw, hell, you know what I mean.  ;=)


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:22 | 1044421 Caviar Emptor
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Right now, SkyNews nuclear consultant John Large states that he doubts the reassurances being given by Japanese government. Expanding evacuation zones and a 30 mile news "cordon" belie the reassurances. 

He agrees that the explosion pattern is highly suggestive of a blown reactor vessel. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1044486 Cognitive Dissonance
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In cases such as this expect the public announcements and explanations from "authorities" to be two or three steps behind the actual events. In a strange dance played by people who wish to cover up or diminish bad news, as events progress what was previously considered to be too explosive to be admitted to is now considered acceptable because circumstances have become even worse.

Often the authorities are themselves in denial about the severity of the problem and they are bargaining with themselves as to what to tell the public. This is why we often find out after the fact that things were much worse much earlier than we were told. Some of it is cover up, some outright denial and bargaining.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:30 | 1044834 RichardP
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And most of it is outright absence of factual information.  To expect "facts" to ever be correct in the midst of an emergency is foolish.

We admire science because of its careful process for sifting through information in order to figure out what the facts truely are.  No such careful sifting of information can ever be done until long after the emergency has played itself out.  Reporting during the middle of an emergency should always be suspect.  And not because the leaders are intentionally trying to mislead us.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:22 | 1044424 THE DORK OF CORK
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This is not a good day for the French nuclear industry - even though they use a different light water reactor design (PWR)

The bad karma from this will travel far.

On top of that the Gauls have just lost against the Romans for the first time in 2000 years !!!!!!!!!

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 08:47 | 1046287 Antipodeus
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That's curious ... I could have sworn that the Gauls had been under the thumb of 'Rome' for most of the last 2000-odd years.


Sun, 03/13/2011 - 14:47 | 1046902 THE DORK OF CORK
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True true - it was a rugby union thingy.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:31 | 1044440 Caviar Emptor
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I continue to be impressed by the superficial reporting about the effects of the tsunami itself. I'm watching 3 news sources simultaneously: No reporting about where rescue victims are being housed (and there are tens of thousands). No reports of disease containment (with open sewers pouring out and lack of available drinking water). No reports about security (anti-looting etc). No reports about Red Cross activity and the usual appeal for money. No reports about "our heroes" in the Japan or international rescue workers and armed forces. Letting a news op like this slip by is very uncharacteristic. 

This could be a tip off as to how massively they're covering something big. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:47 | 1044491 AN0NYM0US
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interesting observation, on the networks last night there was alomost more coverage of the marina in Crescent City, CA along with the Tsunami vid loop

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:54 | 1044505 Bay of Pigs
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It is a wasteland.

The ADD MSM crowd thinks you just dust yourself off and sweep the floor and it's all good.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:00 | 1044517 TBT or not TBT
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Or it could be that this is a country and a people largely prepared and able to help themselves.     It ain't Haiti or Indonesia.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 15:49 | 1047005 hbjork1
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It did take the Japanese a couple of decades to get their industry in full swing after being A-bombed twice.  And another decade to start beating the victors in automotive sales.  It didn't hurt that they are a relatively old culture and have had many millennia to work out their mutually accepted societial disiplinary rules.  

Nuclear accidents are, under the best of conditions, bad news.  The population will have to deal with reduced expectations for awhile.  But, IMO, they will do it as efficiently as any population on earth. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:31 | 1044576 moneymutt
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Our MSM is obsessed with coast towns, anything that happens on East Coast or Cali is given way more attention than anything that happens in flyover land or PAc NW...however, if we Minot ND had major flooding and half town taken out, even if it was completely inaccessible from land/roads, we would be getting flyover palne and copter pics within 4-8 hours all over CNN but in Japan, just a couple of shots when tsunami is bitting....Japan is blacking out things


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 23:30 | 1045706 Iam_Silverman
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"Our MSM is obsessed with coast towns, anything that happens on East Coast or Cali"

Yup, almost 6,500 acres burn just a few miles from me and all they want to cover is the NFL labor strife.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 16:05 | 1047041 New_Meat
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mutt:  was reminded of the red-blue county election maps, e.g.:

otoh, having the Boston Globe drooling over an illegal who scammed her way into a house, well, u don't need that kind of attention.

- Ned

{four legs good}

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:17 | 1044682 Id fight Gandhi
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Japanese are disciplined, honorable people. Looting shouldnt be an issue.
It isn't Haiti or L.A.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:37 | 1044849 DeeDeeTwo
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The Japanese lack the "crime gene"... unlike the Blacks or the Jews, baby. Expect a new genre of adult video... Tsunami Porn.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:29 | 1045029 granolageek
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Then what is the "Yakuza"?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:40 | 1045044 johnQpublic
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Tsunami Porn


thats not like mega bukake is it?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:49 | 1044874 thefedisscam
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Apparently, you know Little about Japanese culture. One thing you will NOT see in Japan under this kind of huge natural disaster is looting or robbery or any other human crime. Loot what? food and water and whatever service  are all FREE of Charge in hard hit areas. Rob money or jewelry? What is the point? when people are fighting for their own lives, Wealth will be the LAST thing on their mind!

One reason you do not hear much report perhaps has a lot to do with the large scale Blackout in Toyko. Looks like a lot of Toyko's electricity is supplied by those nuclear plant. So when they are shut down, Toyko has no much power left.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:43 | 1045296 Mentaliusanything
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One reason you do not hear much report perhaps has a lot to do with the large scale Blackout in Toyko. Looks like a lot of Toyko's electricity is supplied by those nuclear plant. So when they are shut down, Toyko has no much power left.

Then that means fresh food will spoil and food / fresh water will generally be hard to find for such a large population.

3 days from now we shall see if the Japanese will be the same gentle people.

These 'after shocks' are not always what you imagine. It is not a good idea to stay in a city at times like these.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:03 | 1046201 The Alarmist
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3 days from now we shall see if the Japanese will be the same gentle people.

Uh, the same "gentle people" who only a generation or so ago led the Bataan Death March?

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 13:51 | 1046780 Orly
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Manchuria was an anomly as well, I believe.  But if any people have learned their lessons about the cruelty of war, it would be the Japanese.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:03 | 1044909 NewThor
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I was watching the coverage about 5 minutes after the Tsunami hit. 

I ended up on FOX NEWS and their coverage was obscene.

We're seeing an entire city being swept away like a horror film in black tides of flaming 

debris and the talking heads were doing an up to the minute Death count.

"We've got 1 confirmed death!"

"We've got 3 confirmed deaths!

"We've got 14 confirmed deaths!"

"We've got 18 confirmed deaths!"

"We've got 23 confirmed deaths!"

"We've got 27 confirmed deaths!"


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 20:06 | 1045254 goldfish1
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Obscene about sums it up.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:04 | 1046203 The Alarmist
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Yeah, they did this the last time there was a big tsunami.  800 dead, 4000 dead, 20000, etc.  Almost exponential after a couple days.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 08:54 | 1046295 Antipodeus
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Yeah, I think FauxNoose stopped counting after about 250,000.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 22:41 | 1045496 trav7777
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why the fuck would there be looting?  This is Japan...they are not blacks.

As for the rest, the Japs pull together in disasters and help each other...again, this isn't an african population

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 06:27 | 1046185 Lord Koos
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fuck you

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:11 | 1046210 h3m1ngw4y
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you may not realize it but you prove his point

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:30 | 1044446 vas deferens
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Time to call BP and smash open the sea floor to get at some oil. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:32 | 1044450 SignsAndWonders
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Setting aside cynicism and arm chair excitement over events accross the sea, I hope that all goes well.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:38 | 1044461 Caviar Emptor
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Japan nuclear agency rates Fukushima plant accident at 4 on the international scale of 1 to 7. (7 was Chernobyl)

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:38 | 1044466 fuu
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1 core is being supressed with sea water and boric acid.

6 others are being vented to release pressure. I know the quote is speaking directly to Daiichi 1-3 but does it apply for the venting of Daini 1-4 as well?

"Without enough power for cooling systems, decay heat from the reactor cores of units 1, 2 and 3 has gradually reduced coolant water levels through evaporation. The consequent increase in pressure in the coolant circuit can be managed via pressure release valves. However, this leads to an increase in pressure within the reactor building containment." 

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:05 | 1046204 The Alarmist
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At some point you need to say "forget saving the reactor, we need to stop the leak" and start entombing it before it becomes a real environmental problem like Chernobyl.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:49 | 1044470 AN0NYM0US
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a very informative comment from a ZHer in other thread



Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:42 | 1044480 bob_dabolina
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No one could have forseen that putting nuclear power plants on the border of MAJOR fault lines would be problematic in the future. Furthermore, we recommend that in the future these types of power plants be located near volcanos.

-Lehman Quant

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:55 | 1044628 DosZap
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This is WHy we thonk their so Intellligent?

Now if the did this at San Andreas, I would expect that.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:40 | 1044739 brandy night rocks
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I was thinking we should build them in the beds of monster trucks right before the rally on SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 22:45 | 1045519 trav7777
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are you people idiots?

The entire nation of Japan is a freakin fault line and near volcanos.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 02:51 | 1046066 BorisTheBlade
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Yeah, and that's why Japan should probably scrap its nuclear program and reserve to natgas and oil as primary sources of energy, oh wait refineries are blowing up even better than nuclear reactors:

Idiots indeed.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:44 | 1044484 moneymutt
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I agree, what do you think is the deal.


By now there should be fly over pics from the entire north east coast, we got plenty of those from Katrina and that was a govt CF if there ever was one.

Many countries will have live satellite images, and obviously Japan military copters have at least done recon by now, and yet nothing.

The MSM is trying to get to more remote areas via roads so they have little to offer.


A 30 foot wave hitting 12 mins after an earthquake, traveling on the ground at what, 20-30 miles an hour, not way many people got way, I don't know the pop of those low lying towns but even small towns would add up to massive numbers.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:06 | 1044527 Nefarious Deeds
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This is just one town.  I am praying for these people.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:44 | 1044485 Hulk
Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:12 | 1044673 dark pools of soros
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this really opens the window of it all:


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:37 | 1044841 Hulk
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Miss my Ninja, miss life beyond 110 mph!

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:13 | 1044493 fuu
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From here:

"An explosion was heard near the plant's No. 1 reactor about 3:30 p.m. and plumes of white smoke went up 10 minutes later. The ceiling of the building housing the reactor collapsed, according to information obtained by Fukushima prefectural authorities."

Sounds like the video posted earlier was the "plume of smoke" and "roof collapse" 10 minutes after the initial explosion.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 12:56 | 1044511 Seasmoke
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they will never tell you how bad it is until they have no choice left.....that goes for any dire situation

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:21 | 1044553 Alex Kintner
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+1. Damn straight. I read a book on Three Mile Island. They lied to the public on an hourly basis. They almost screwed the pooch on that one. The NRC said the public was never in danger, but years later after the event recordings were released, nuclear engineers said it came very close to meltdown.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:23 | 1044816 NidStyles
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,or they tell you how bad it could be until they want to rally their stock's.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:00 | 1044518 Bastiat
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Yeah, collapses are always accompied with vertical shockwaves -- and the violent high energy lateral propulsion of structural materials too -- we know that from WTC 1 & 2.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:25 | 1044704 Ident 7777 economy
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Don't. See. The. Correlation.



Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:03 | 1044524 Matte_Black
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Meltdown Caused Nuke Plant Explosion: Safety Body

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:12 | 1044540 smeagol
Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:28 | 1044561 redpill
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I'm pretty sure that for the fallout to come anywhere near the continental US there would need to be a much larger explosion and persistant cloud so that the particles would get high enough to make it across the Pacific.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:40 | 1044599 colorfulbliss
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Does anyone have any further insight into this video? This raised my hackles just a tad.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:48 | 1044620 fuu
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Pretty sure it's bs.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:35 | 1044727 RmcAZ
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This is BS, please check your sources before posting stupid crap like this.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:15 | 1044544 Alex Kintner
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Hmm. There is no mention of their ability to withdraw the feul rods from the reactor core or temperature readings in the core. If they can't remove the feul rods, isn't that a recipe for meltdown no matter how much sea water they dump into it? 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:40 | 1044600 thedrickster
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Holiday Inn Express and all.

My understanding is that the control rods went in immmeaditely following the earthquake and that the heat currently at issue is from residual decay and will dissapate over a 24-48 hour period.

No idea what impact the hydrogen explosion has on things.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:19 | 1044548 tempo
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Where does the world go for energy from here??  Electric cars need electricity.   New Nuclear plants are out of the question for a decade.  So we are left with windpower.  The LA community college system just spent $20 mm to install wind turbines to go green.  Now they discovered (after spending the money) there is not enough wind on the campuses to turn the turbines.   Today windpower is only generating enough electricity to power one light bulb.   So dems don't give me that BS that renewables are the answer.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:03 | 1044605 Matte_Black
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Ding.... somebody's asking the right question. Get ready for a whole lot of fail where energy is concerned, my friend. I don't know why anyone would junk you for making such excellent points. Perhaps it was the remark about dems... idk.

There is nothing renewable on the horizon that will scale up enough to keep on running the world as we do now, at least not within any reasonable time frame.

Financial ruin, climate change, and the end of cheap oil. If the fire doesn't get us the lightning will.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:32 | 1044836 New_Meat
Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:38 | 1045040 granolageek
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The junk (not by me) is his claim that wind is lighting "one light bulb".

Let's do some proper Wall St. gambling. Flip a coin 100 times. For each flip: Heads I pay you $250, the wattage of a _big_ light bulb. Tails, you pay me $1 for every _thousand_ watts of windpower feeding the grid at that time.

I would have a Goldman Sachs bonus.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:49 | 1045054 johnQpublic
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only if said bonus was in negative dollars

do read what the UK has written about their wind energy debacle

it will never pay for itself without subsidys

it takes a gas fired power generation plant to back up each windfarm watt for watt

small wind turbines never pay for themselves...that from denmark, a prolific wind country

the only thing it works well for, is small power generation on sailboats...research before speaking


Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:15 | 1046214 h3m1ngw4y
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peak energy is peak empire lucky for us its also peak government

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:44 | 1044607 CrazyCooter
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Not all nuclear energy is the same. The answer to your question is Thorium MSRs. Given that modern society runs on enormous amounts of energy per capita and given that fossil fuels are finite, the only viable source left that scales to demand (renewables sadly do not scale to demand) is nuclear and more specifically thorium (vastly more fissile material avaiable). How long it takes its the only question.

The youtube is ~2hrs and and the ppt is ~100 slides.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:56 | 1044634 thedrickster
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Yes! the millitary industrial complex needs to be silenced on this one, thorium is the real deal.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:22 | 1044697 Matte_Black
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Thx for that. Interesting and hopeful. But, timeframes.  Lot of time to scale. At least there's something, I guess.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 22:43 | 1045506 FeralSerf
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The Evil Empire doesn't have (and probably can't get) control over the thorium fuel cycle, such that it is.  Therefor thorium is unsuitable as an energy source.  It has and will continue to be a repressed undeveloped technology regardless of its technical benefits.

Large scale energy sources (i.e. fossil fuels and uranium), are the way the Power Elites maintain control over the proletariat.  Wind farms and similar non-starters are allowed as a distraction since they'll never be a significant reliable generator of energy.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:48 | 1044616 reader2010
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They didn't even do any feasibility studies for the project. It seems to be a wealth transfer vehicle to me. 

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:33 | 1044842 New_Meat
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"They didn't even do any feasibility studies..."

But their self-esteem was really up and they were able to lord it over old fossils. - Ned

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:52 | 1044626 thedrickster
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Why are nuke plants out of the question?

A plant engineered in the 1960s and brought on-line in the 1970s was hit by a 9.1 magnitude earthquake and accompanying 10M tsunami?

If this ends like TMI and not Chernobyl then holy fucking shit, hats off to the engineers. One can only assume the engineering in newer plants is even more advanced. The same six sigma event triggered a tsunami that killed thousands in the area surrounding the plant, what will the death toll be from the meltdown? Dunno but it seems to me that the Pacific looms far more threatening than the nuke plant.




Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:01 | 1044657 AN0NYM0US
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did you listen to Mr. Pres on Friday? wind and solar are the future

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:46 | 1044758 thedrickster
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Sweet, oh for the chance to buy Hansen Wheel LEAPS.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:04 | 1044662 Kaiser Zose
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spot on and very true.  Latest design Rx's have a higher reliance on "passive" emergency core cooling...vice older designs that rely on active systems (e.g. diesel generators for backup power, pumps to start, etc.).  As long as they keep primary containment intact at Fuk 1, there will be a TMI event but no Chernobyl.  Problem they could have is that people working on solving the problem may have been killed in the explosion.  Hard to say what kind of setback that explosion was to the effort to get the Rx into a long term stable condition.  I still can't figure how they had such a massive H2 explosion w/o having had fuel damage already, which TEPCO hasn't reported.  But reading the reports on the english websites don't reveal a lot of info.  In fact, they state very little of importance other than all rods are inserted into the cores at each unit - which is expected/good.  They stated all units are now injecting cooling water via makeup condensate systems.  If that's so...than they shouldn't have had an H2 buildup/explosion (if that's what happened).  Technical details are sparse here so I hesistate to draw too many, if any, conclusions...other than it appears they have lost secondary containment at one of their Fukushima Units.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:25 | 1044702 SWRichmond
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Thank you.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:31 | 1044717 Ident 7777 economy
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A plant engineered in the 1960s and brought on-line in the 1970s was hit by a 9.1 magnitude earthquake and accompanying 10M tsunami?

If this ends like TMI and not Chernobyl then holy fucking shit, hats off to the engineers.

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Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:48 | 1044878 sharkbait
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Cheers to you!  You are exactly right!  It is a testament to how well these palnts were designed and built. 

The eco-terrorist will fail to mention how many  thousands (maybe millions) of tons of green house gases were averted through the operation of this plant.  All we will  here are cries for no more nukes!

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:40 | 1044961 thedrickster
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They are either living in a fantasy world in which 21st century industrial society can run on wind OR they are actually advocating a return to the 18th century for the planet's sake.

I assume the latter.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:02 | 1044900 Hulk
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Live, learn, improve...

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:32 | 1044946 snowball777
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Apples and oranges; other than not building near coastlines (yeah, right), there's precious little we can do about tsunami, but we have a plethora of alternatives to fission reactors available (most importantly conservation) and choose to build nuke plants anyway.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:37 | 1044956 thedrickster
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If you think "conservation" can eliminate 30% of Japan's electricity needs then fantasy world fits the bill.

I stopped listening at "we".

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:08 | 1045080 snowball777
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Maybe not Japan's, but definitely possible in the US.

Too selfish to pursue self-preservation? We'll miss ya!

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 19:56 | 1045248 goldfish1
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what will the death toll be from the meltdown?

Let's see, in the 2010 report regarding the deaths of more than one million from Chernobyl(1986) nuclear power plant catastrophe, the toll was finally acknowledged.

My guess is any death toll will be buried in the earthquake/tsunami guesstimate and reactors will continue to be built on geological faults on the ocean.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:57 | 1044637 snowball777
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In 2009, 340Twh, you ignorant fuck. I guess living in a cave of ignorance has deprived you of knowledge of that bright thing in the sky the rest of us see on a daily basis too? And I suppose that natural gas and coal don't exist in your world either?

Your kind of "BS" is why we should have poll tests before people like you are allowed to fucking vote.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:19 | 1045098 snowball777
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Might be useful for a few hundred years, but it still makes actinides. Don't get me'll never catch me protesting the Pu cores used in deep space probes or anything, but the situation in Japan is reason enough to wind fission down as a power generation tool for the masses as soon as is feasible.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 22:52 | 1045546 trav7777
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Huh??  Are you retarded?

The fuckin thing got hit by a tsunami from the 5th most powerful quake recorded and you are writing off nuclear power as an institution...JFC, how hysterical can you get?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:08 | 1044917 NewThor
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If we'd only DRILL BABY DRILL then Gasoline would be $1.00 to infinity!

AND! My unicorn would stop being such a prude and finally give me a blowjob.

Oh, but on a serious note....

I suggest going back and looking over Nikola Tesla's inventions.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:22 | 1045104 snowball777
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Which one actually generates energy instead of transmitting it? Tesla was cool and so is wireless transmission (no wires, less I^2R loss), but that doesn't help mankind all that much.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:34 | 1044583 moneymutt
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CNN just had a nuke expert on, he said the seawater thing was complete desparation and not a good sign, said Japan had expeiremental form of plutonium at this facitility that is riskier and has more potential for harm when it goes bad.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:50 | 1044622 Matte_Black
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I've been watching this thing unfold since it started. You know that feeling you get when you feel like you're being conned? I've had it the whole time myself.

I guess one can hope.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:21 | 1044930 moneymutt
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yeah, I was freaked that Gulf oil spill was going to much worse for much longer....not that is was good, but my worst fears were not realized...we will see

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:51 | 1044623 Randall Cabot
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Meltdowns aren't as bad as most people think unless you are very close to it-people in the US have nothing to worry about.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:01 | 1044641 AN0NYM0US
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depends on the nature of the toxic products  involved  e.g.  Pu vs. MBS the latter being extremely dangerous for those in the US and most G20 countries (though banksters are immune)

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:32 | 1044723 Id fight Gandhi
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Meltdown isn't a recognized term. If someone uses that, discard the info.

The radiation they claimed was being released was about 1050 microSieverts. Which is enough to make you sick. 2 sieverts gets you hair loss, etc. Gets worse the higher you go.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:27 | 1044937 snowball777
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Google "airborne radionuclide" and get back to us, genius.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:46 | 1044969 thedrickster
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The gasses released in the explosion are likely gamma emitters with a very short half life.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:24 | 1045111 snowball777
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It's not the explosion that's already happened that has me browsing for KI tablets. It's the potential one, if the corium decides to head for the earth's core, that'll make life on the US west coast "dicey".

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:09 | 1044999 Randall Cabot
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"Google "airborne radionuclide" and get back to us, genius."

What do you mean "us", dickweed?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 18:23 | 1045106 snowball777
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Everyone you insulted by posting a highlight of your abject stupidity, dillhole.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 10:42 | 1046408 Randall Cabot
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"Everyone you insulted by posting a highlight of your abject stupidity, dillhole."

Right, every one-that means you, dickbreath!

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:56 | 1044633 John Law Lives
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Has anyone heard this?  9,500 residents of one town in Japan are unaccounted for?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:01 | 1044652 John Law Lives
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Another update.  Wow.  This is hard to believe.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:29 | 1044713 Matte_Black
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Sounds like a picnic in hell.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 13:57 | 1044639 Atomizer
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Your Timeline to research:


President Obama will fly to upstate New York on Friday to take a tour of a General Electric branch in Schenectady, the birthplace of the company. Joining him will be the company's CEO, Jeffrey Immelt. Afterward, Obama will speak about "the importance of growing the economy and making America more competitive by investing in jobs, innovation and clean energy," the White House said in guidance to reporters.


Obama: Hello Jeff, what's the latest good news?

Jeff: Everything is to plan Mr. President.

Obama: How are your plans in introducing the new reactor?

Jeff: Well, we blew it up old technology today & will blame it on the procedural shutdown inaccuracies within the IAEA charter.

Obama: Are you sure this story is airtight?

Jeff: C'mon Mr. President, we own the air waves.

Obama: Has all the approval steps been met with the NRC & IAEA? Don't wish to walk down the path Rumsfeld took with NK plants.

Jeff: Stop being so paranoid. Let's review our plan.


Obama: Nice work! How will this be sold to the taxpayer's?

Jeff: Don't worry about it, we're filling their brains with images of chaos. They'll sign up soon.

Obama: You’re a genius Jeff, so glad that the party of 6 recommended your services.

Jeff: We all pleasure to serve the Party of 6.. Mr. President.

Obama: Indeed we do.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:04 | 1044663 tamboo
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how it all could have been avoided:

cant have folks giving away precious energy now can we?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:14 | 1044925 snowball777
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You may want to spend a little time with a Merriam-Webster and clear up the difference between generation and transmission, whitetrash.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:11 | 1045006 Art Vandelay
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You're out of your depth here, Skippy. Back to Stormfront with you.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:18 | 1044684 Chumbadumba
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Get your iodine on.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:24 | 1044700 Chumbadumba
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Get your iodine on.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:27 | 1044710 Chumbadumba
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Double posts.. Fuck me!!

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:11 | 1044784 Flakmeister
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Naw... go fuck yourself...


PS: Sorry, just couldnt resist that... it was the perfect setup...

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:26 | 1044711 Marley
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Another sad day.  I feel deeply sorry for the loss of all life in Japan.  In particular, the individuals given the impossible task to prevent the rupture of the primary containment paid the ultimate price.  Their lives were given in the hope of preventing additional loss of life.  Hyperbole will triumph by individuals that aren't worth the spit of this brave people.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:32 | 1044725 Matte_Black
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Please. The Japan government just announced over NHK that there is no reason to believe that the radiation sickness was in any way caused by the unfortunate incident at Fukushima.

Are saying you don't believe them either?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:28 | 1044830 Marley
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I'm saying that those individuals, not to detract from the enormity of the quake and tsunami, who just died trying to prevent the steam explosion were brave.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:39 | 1044737 walcott
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the sake syndrome.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 14:41 | 1044740 walcott
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Propaganda machine CNN only 150 people have died.

Miraculously 2-3 million people all evacuated within 5 minutes.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:03 | 1044779 Quixote2
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The hydrogen is generated by steam reacting with the zirconium fuel cladding at elevated temperatures (the fuel is uncovered) page 38 of:

Apparently the fuel storage pool at the top of the reactor structure is now exposed. This fuel pool contains years of previously discharged fuel and could dry out and release radionuclides if water is not added. This may be a greater hazard than the fuel in the reactor core.

The hydrogen was generated by steam reaction of uncovered fuel in the reactor core. The pressure build in the reactor pressure vessel was relieved by venting steam and hydrogen to the containment building. A hydrogen explosion removed the containment structure.

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 15:14 | 1044800 samsara
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Apparently the fuel storage pool at the top of the reactor structure is now exposed. This fuel pool contains years of previously discharged fuel and could dry out and release radionuclides if water is not added. This may be a greater hazard than the fuel in the reactor core.


What would happen if you dumped tons of sodium polyborate on the pool?

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 17:12 | 1045004 thedrickster
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"Apparently the fuel storage pool at the top of the reactor structure is now exposed."


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 16:06 | 1044910 mt paul
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super happy

fun good time

nuclear rice cooker...

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 21:25 | 1045343 Newsboy
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Here is an expanded schematic and functional analysis of the 2 possible processes to blow the containment building. both involve meltdown. One involves destruction of the torus under the reactor, a total breach. the other involves hydrogen filling the containment building through improper venting, and just blowing that, with the reactor casing still intact, but a molten blob inside. Daily Kos got sent this.,-Meltdown

Sat, 03/12/2011 - 21:55 | 1045384 PulauHantu29
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Sorry, no one pays attention to "the facts" anymore. People just see how much The Bernank is printing.


Sat, 03/12/2011 - 22:53 | 1045563 trav7777
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Let's all just totally panic and throw out wild conjecture and moonbat conspiracy theories!

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 02:35 | 1046055 Kelly
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I don't know why we hang with these lunatics Trav.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 02:43 | 1046064 Aristarchan
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Ok....give me a few minutes and I will come up with something....:)

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 03:08 | 1046079 hero HNL
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I think this one was made by GE.....I studied Nuke Engr

at mit but I forgot the material.




Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:09 | 1046209 The Alarmist
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What you are witnessing here are people trying to save assets at a time when they should be trying to avert a real crisis.  Screw the reactors, they are toast and need to be entombed in concrete before they become a serious environmental issue.

Sun, 03/13/2011 - 07:32 | 1046222 ibjamming
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