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Yen Carry Unwind And Shift Into Dollar Carry Extends, US Stocks Decoupling From Dollar Weakness

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The dollar pain continues as the dollar drops below the 90 Yen support level.

Surprisingly despite the dollar weakness, there is no capital flow into domestic risky assets (10 Years are well bid). In fact, the bid in HY, the latest risk casualty of bubble psychology, is weakening. Is the carry trade now financing safer/foreign assets? If so, is yield chasing finally over?




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Fri, 09/25/2009 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:11 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 09/25/2009 - 13:05 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 09/25/2009 - 13:20 | Link to Comment Anonymous
Fri, 09/25/2009 - 11:59 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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Are people now heeding Schiff?

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:08 | Link to Comment lizzy36
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His Peso call on the USD this morning was a classic.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Margin Call
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On a somewhat related note, I came across this article on the globe and mail website yesterday which tries to perpetuate the usual "get your money out of savings and low-risk instruments to chase yield" meme directed towards retail investors.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/why-savin...

Taking a gander at the ensuing comments, I don't think too many people are biting this time around- the article and author get an absolute and near-unanimous thrashing! 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:22 | Link to Comment Green Sharts
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Here's a similar column from a personal finance columnist in the WSJ advising people to put emergency money into blue chip stocks.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020448830457443318190693552...

This is the game the government has played with savers for the last decade.  You get nothing for a safe investment, put your money at risk.  A lot of people who have been burned before are no longer biting.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:07 | Link to Comment Mos
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This is bad if true.  This was not supposed to happen, at least not yet.  Many people are betting on a flight to USTs and the dollar when the next panic hits, the above chart would seem to disprove that theory.  The fleeing of all US assets is the indicator of the final collapse.  Could it be that it is coming much sooner than most think?  Time will tell but the ironic and cruel nature of the universe would suggest that it is entirely possible that it will catch everyone off guard and by surprise.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 16:13 | Link to Comment Commander Cody
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The chart is a soundbite.  The smart money is slowly going into treasuries in preparation for an equity and commodity crash.  March 2009 redux.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 20:10 | Link to Comment TumblingDice
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I think this is a preview, a warning shot if you will, by the financial community to Congress to show them what will happen if the debt ceiling is not raised: everything in the United States loses value, assets and currency. Hopefully this correction CAN happen sooner rather than later or else it will happen irrevocably.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:14 | Link to Comment mdtrader
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The Japnese government has effectively given the green light to yen appreciation, at least for now anyway.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=adM8pgff4LNw

 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:14 | Link to Comment Gilgamesh
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They backtracked and tried to jawbone it down yesterday.  But it was too weak, and people now have taken the new PM's word that BOJ won't intervene against it.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 16:08 | Link to Comment Commander Cody
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I yen for yen.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:14 | Link to Comment deadhead
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perhaps appropriate to quote the late and great Warren Zevon:

"send lawyers, guns, and money

the shit has hit the fan."

 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:19 | Link to Comment mdtrader
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USDZAR interesting, that thing will go into melt up if de-risking comes back.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:24 | Link to Comment mdtrader
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The other trade that would have a huge unwind is the Nasdaq 100, that's where all the hot performance chasing money is. The NDX managed to get back to pre crisis 2006 levels at one point!

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 13:16 | Link to Comment AR
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We having been watching this... that the unwind of the recent trend (especially the last 6-8 weeks) of selling the dollar, buying all other asset classes against it, will be the trade that will hurt the most managers.  Remember (by some sentiment readings) 97% of the market is bearish the dollar.  From a contrarian standpoint, those are not good odds for dollar bears (short term).  Sentiment, seasonals, cycles, and technicals are all arguing for a reversal of recent trends.  The last few days has only been a warning flag. Stay nimble and be patient. Good luck everyone.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 16:53 | Link to Comment payitdown (not verified)
Fri, 09/25/2009 - 14:14 | Link to Comment pigpen
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DXY flat market flat. Yawn.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 15:13 | Link to Comment Jeanbon
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Have a look at the Topix Banking Index. Nomura

just had to raise USD6.5 Bio. worth of equity, and

the market looks terrible. If this Index manages

to break the lows, then my expectations are that

Japanese Investors will rather sell foreign assets

than buy them. Maybe they have already started

with it. We had several up moves in the Yen crosses 

during this month. Even against CHF, the Yen is

strengthening. Maybe one has to wait for a break

below 130 in EURYen and USDYen below 87 to

get things going. But a strong up move in the Yen

will certainly not be good for equities. The XLF

is trading around 14,70, if it doesn't hold that level

it would mark a fake out. So maybe the SPY USDYen

divergence will stop once the Yen really starts

to break out. We need to watch this Japanese Banking

index closely since it will certainly put pressure on

Financial stocks Indices around the world.

 

 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 15:21 | Link to Comment Jeanbon
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TOPIX Banks Exchange Traded Fund (1615)

 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 16:55 | Link to Comment payitdown (not verified)
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