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Yen Carry Unwind And Shift Into Dollar Carry Extends, US Stocks Decoupling From Dollar Weakness

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The dollar pain continues as the dollar drops below the 90 Yen support level.

Surprisingly despite the dollar weakness, there is no capital flow into domestic risky assets (10 Years are well bid). In fact, the bid in HY, the latest risk casualty of bubble psychology, is weakening. Is the carry trade now financing safer/foreign assets? If so, is yield chasing finally over?

 

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Fri, 09/25/2009 - 11:59 | 79607 Anonymous
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A de-coupling of the reverse correlation between stocks and dollar would surprise, and crush, an awful lot of investors.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:11 | 79621 Anonymous
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Why? I don't get it.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 13:05 | 79711 Anonymous
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People who are looking for a bounce in the dollar are going long the dollar and hedging by going long the stock market. They will get slammed both ways.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 13:20 | 79732 Anonymous
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I have been planning on a temporary strengthening of the dollar when the market swooned. Assumed the dollar and UST would gain for awhile, then I'd make the inflation play. Looks like we could be skipping over the "flight to safety" in dollar and treasuries. The really big problem is it could signal a simultaneous fall in all US assets.

Nowhere to run to baby, nowhere to hide.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 11:59 | 79609 Gilgamesh
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Are people now heeding Schiff?

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:08 | 79618 lizzy36
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His Peso call on the USD this morning was a classic.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:07 | 79615 Margin Call
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On a somewhat related note, I came across this article on the globe and mail website yesterday which tries to perpetuate the usual "get your money out of savings and low-risk instruments to chase yield" meme directed towards retail investors.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/why-savin...

Taking a gander at the ensuing comments, I don't think too many people are biting this time around- the article and author get an absolute and near-unanimous thrashing! 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:22 | 79639 Green Sharts
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Here's a similar column from a personal finance columnist in the WSJ advising people to put emergency money into blue chip stocks.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405297020448830457443318190693552...

This is the game the government has played with savers for the last decade.  You get nothing for a safe investment, put your money at risk.  A lot of people who have been burned before are no longer biting.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:07 | 79616 Mos
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This is bad if true.  This was not supposed to happen, at least not yet.  Many people are betting on a flight to USTs and the dollar when the next panic hits, the above chart would seem to disprove that theory.  The fleeing of all US assets is the indicator of the final collapse.  Could it be that it is coming much sooner than most think?  Time will tell but the ironic and cruel nature of the universe would suggest that it is entirely possible that it will catch everyone off guard and by surprise.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 16:13 | 79929 Commander Cody
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The chart is a soundbite.  The smart money is slowly going into treasuries in preparation for an equity and commodity crash.  March 2009 redux.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 20:10 | 80143 TumblingDice
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I think this is a preview, a warning shot if you will, by the financial community to Congress to show them what will happen if the debt ceiling is not raised: everything in the United States loses value, assets and currency. Hopefully this correction CAN happen sooner rather than later or else it will happen irrevocably.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:14 | 79622 mdtrader
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The Japnese government has effectively given the green light to yen appreciation, at least for now anyway.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601101&sid=adM8pgff4LNw

 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:14 | 79627 Gilgamesh
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They backtracked and tried to jawbone it down yesterday.  But it was too weak, and people now have taken the new PM's word that BOJ won't intervene against it.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 16:08 | 79919 Commander Cody
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I yen for yen.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:14 | 79626 deadhead
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perhaps appropriate to quote the late and great Warren Zevon:

"send lawyers, guns, and money

the shit has hit the fan."

 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:19 | 79636 mdtrader
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USDZAR interesting, that thing will go into melt up if de-risking comes back.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 12:24 | 79640 mdtrader
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The other trade that would have a huge unwind is the Nasdaq 100, that's where all the hot performance chasing money is. The NDX managed to get back to pre crisis 2006 levels at one point!

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 13:16 | 79728 AR
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We having been watching this... that the unwind of the recent trend (especially the last 6-8 weeks) of selling the dollar, buying all other asset classes against it, will be the trade that will hurt the most managers.  Remember (by some sentiment readings) 97% of the market is bearish the dollar.  From a contrarian standpoint, those are not good odds for dollar bears (short term).  Sentiment, seasonals, cycles, and technicals are all arguing for a reversal of recent trends.  The last few days has only been a warning flag. Stay nimble and be patient. Good luck everyone.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 16:53 | 79981 payitdown (not verified)
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Um, when have they not? Thats a better question. The whole idea to the fed is that of a centralized planned market manipulator.

Goldman and Bank of Amerika run the markets along with Geithner, and beagle boy Ben. There is no free markets, only welfare capitalism and socialism for capitalism.

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Fri, 09/25/2009 - 14:14 | 79800 pigpen
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DXY flat market flat. Yawn.

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 15:13 | 79859 Jeanbon
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Have a look at the Topix Banking Index. Nomura

just had to raise USD6.5 Bio. worth of equity, and

the market looks terrible. If this Index manages

to break the lows, then my expectations are that

Japanese Investors will rather sell foreign assets

than buy them. Maybe they have already started

with it. We had several up moves in the Yen crosses 

during this month. Even against CHF, the Yen is

strengthening. Maybe one has to wait for a break

below 130 in EURYen and USDYen below 87 to

get things going. But a strong up move in the Yen

will certainly not be good for equities. The XLF

is trading around 14,70, if it doesn't hold that level

it would mark a fake out. So maybe the SPY USDYen

divergence will stop once the Yen really starts

to break out. We need to watch this Japanese Banking

index closely since it will certainly put pressure on

Financial stocks Indices around the world.

 

 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 15:21 | 79870 Jeanbon
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TOPIX Banks Exchange Traded Fund (1615)

 

Fri, 09/25/2009 - 16:55 | 79975 payitdown (not verified)
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Goldman and Bank of Amerika run the markets along with Geithner, and beagle boy Ben. There is no free markets, only welfare capitalism and socialism for capitalism.

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