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Yeonpyeong Island Residents Ordered To Move Into Air Raid Bunkers As North Korea Places Rocket Launchers Along Western Coast

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The din out of North Korea was a little too quiet recently. Not so much anymore. Yonhap has just reported that the residents of the infamous Yeonpyeong island, which was recently shelled by North Korea in response to a South Korea drill, and other bordering islands. have been ordered to move into air raid bunkers. This is a very rapid escalation following the earlier announcement by The Chosunilbo that North Korea has deployed rocket launchers along its west coast, in response to a live fire artillery drill which South Korea announced earlier would proceed as planned. "The North also reportedly made coastal artillery ready to fire and put some fighter jets on the west coast on standby."

From Chosunilbo:

North Korea has deployed multiple rocket launchers along the shore north of Yeonpyeong, Baeknyeong and Gangwha islands in response to a planned South Korean artillery drill on Yeonpyeong, government sources here say. The North earlier threatened an "unpredicted self-defense counterattack" to the drills.

A South Korean government source said, "After making the threat in a message sent Friday, North Korea raised the alert level at artillery divisions on the west coast and deployed the multiple rocket launchers." The source added the South Korean military is monitoring the situation.

And just to make sure that the world is fully aware which axis is now calling the geopolitical shots, Russia's UN envoy Churkin told South Korea it would be "better" it the country did not hold its military exercises (which had previously received America's blessing) at this time. 


Elsewhere, the USAF 36th Wing,which includes B-52a and B-2s, is being put on speical alert in case things get really out of hand:

All active personnel serving with the Air Force Global Strike Command have been issued a special alert on Dec 18. Air Force Global Strike Command is responsible for deploying Long Range Strategic
Bombers including B-52 and B-2 bombers. There are believed to be 30
B-52 and 11 B-2 bombers stationed at Anderson Air Force base on the
Island of Guam. The USAF 36th Wing would be used as the main bomber
force in advent of a war on the Korean Peninsula. The Amateur radio
operator affiliation known as Sky Watchers has been reporting a substantial increase in Air Traffic at Anderson Air Force base since Dec 15. Strategic
bombers deployed from Guam would rendezvous with Fighters from the 5th
Air Force stationed in Japan before entering a combat area such as North
Korea. The last confirmed deployment of Stealth Aircraft to Guam was in 2009.

And here we were hoping that the coming week would be quiet and peaceful...


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Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:21 | 817564 Arius
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i wonder where in the world is Wolf Blitzer?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:36 | 817600 High Plains Drifter
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Where is Wolfy? He is on the phone to Tel Aviv.


Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:44 | 817897 Max Hunter
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No.. He's probably there.. Getting the latest Zionist propaganda for all "educated and sensible" Americans to consume..

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 03:40 | 818224 Popo
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Nevermind the stream of Wikileaks revelations that Israel beats a far smaller war drum than her tight-lipped neighbors...

Oh what would happen to that simple vision of Zionist-fueled aggression if Saudi Arabia, Jordan and others were the true hawks vs. Iran...  Best not consider it.

Damn Zionists!


Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:38 | 817608 Turd Ferguson
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Maybe this is the real thing. USDX suddenly spiking higher.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:42 | 817614 High Plains Drifter
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Gold and silver approaching 1400 and 30 respectively , again. We must check it again at about 2:00 AM.



Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:52 | 817645 Turd Ferguson
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Check out that $ chart...Shit might be happening right now.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:56 | 817658 Arius
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Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:05 | 817936 Turd Ferguson
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Or not.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:30 | 817742 Royal Fleming
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Asia always buys the USD at open, If you want to watch a pair for a korean fuck frenzy you watch the USD/JPY, yen spike will let you know real quick. Faster than wolfy.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:24 | 817575 TheGreatPonzi
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More drama. I bet $1,000 this will never become a real war.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:34 | 817597 Don Birnam
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No. War on the Korean peninsula would be bad for [ PRC ] business.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:38 | 817598 Don Birnam
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( Post deleted/duplicate posting. )

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:40 | 817612 Worker Bee
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I agree. They have nothing to gain from being bombed off the map. The North does this kinda shit every six months or so. But it is intresting that the country that does have nukes and threatens to use them gets a free pass while if Iran said some shit about using nukes it would be on.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:48 | 817906 Max Hunter
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Actually... Even through denial and proof submitted by the IAEA that Iran does not have a nuclear program will get them bombed sometime in the next 6 months.. Mainly because Israel wants us too and Big Oil has no objections.. or is it the other way around.. I can never remember..

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:20 | 817961 Rick64
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 Bank on it, they are going down the same path as Iraq.  Already started assassinating, this is another warning.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 04:00 | 818227 Popo
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1)  Israel (or someone?) has already derailed the Iran nuclear program with Stuxnet. 

2)  Wikileaks has dozens of documents showing the Saudi's together with Jordan are the primary hawks re: Iran.  -- And are pledging massive support for military intervention.

I know it's easy to keep blaming Israel for everything, but the reality is that Israel (or at least we assume it was Israel) used a non-violent solution, and the fact that military preparations are still underway is entirely due to other (non-Israeli) players.


Mon, 12/20/2010 - 09:20 | 818359 Max Hunter
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Yeah.. The ruling FAMILIES of Saudi and Jordan may have concern with Iran.. But the people DO NOT.. Get your head out of your ass..

If you are trying to make like Israel is not the war hawk against Iran than you think everyone on the forum is a fucking retard.. They are not.. But some are.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:25 | 817579 tahoebumsmith
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Yeah and of course we had to go over there and stir it up even more over the past 3 weeks by taunting them into this response.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:40 | 817609 High Plains Drifter
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Hey we exist at the mercy and the good wishes of the military industrial complex.  We are in perpetual war now. We cannot ever stop unless they are made to stop it by whatever means necessary.  Its all about wars and enemies and it has been for a long time now. If we have too much peace then the military industrial complex cannot sell any useless and unneeded toys such as missles etc to countries. There is no profit in taking care of your poor people and helping your country become a better place to live.  Such is life.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:42 | 817613 Cdad
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Zero value added.  Everything you write...nothing.  Why are you here?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:43 | 817620 High Plains Drifter
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Well my my. Are you in my fan club now, slick?  Well get in line and get off of my nutts.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:45 | 817624 Cdad
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I asked you a question moron.  Why are you here?

You have been posting your Marxist rant across every singe article ALL FREAKIN' DAY LONG.  You are cutting and pasting and going post-a-holic while...


Answer my question...and then log out.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:49 | 817637 cosmictrainwreck
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HEY - kiss our collective ass, ya jag-off

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:50 | 817643 Rick Masters
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Sic Semper Tyrannis CDad. I didn't realuize you get to tell people what they can and can't post. I didn't read shit that was marxist from him but you're statements are tyrannical. If you don't agree with me, don't and log off. It goes againts the ethos of this board, imo. BTW, you don't have to log off.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:54 | 817654 Cdad
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I see, and my getting all up in your grill because a group of folk are obviously useless...IS NOT within the ethos of this board?  Is that what you are saying?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:01 | 817671 tmosley
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You will get a better response if you go off on people while they are actually saying the things you say he said.

Several people on this board, including myself, have had some success in driving a couple of trolls off of the board in this manner.  Right now, you just look like an asshole.  I don't know the whole story here, just saying as someone walking in on the situation.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:11 | 817697 Cdad
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Understood tmosely.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:18 | 817720 Rick Masters
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I meant part of the ethos of the board is for free discussion of ideas, mainly those related to finance but alos of things that affect it. I think it is against it to tell people to log off especially whne nothing he said was marxist unless any statement that includes poor is marxist? Or was it him using the term military indisttrial complex, coined by the most marxist president ever, Pres. Eisenhower. That commie.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:30 | 817740 Cdad
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Ummmm, I do believe the Ethos of the board would include a shot to the ear...if you know what I mean...but understood [although I don't know much about Eisenhower and whether or not he was a commie.] 



Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:55 | 817659 Kali
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Cdad, go trank out for awhile.  When you are calmer, I find you make some interesting comments.  However, of late, you seem to be in a growing state of hysteria.  Chill.  Go take a walk, pet your dog.  Have a joint or a drink or get laid or something.  And be nice.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:58 | 817667 Cdad
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Sorry Kali,

Logging out soon.  Sometimes, price discovery is important, if you know what I mean.  Engaged in a little of that...that is all.

I assure you I shall again become my usual avuncular self in due course. 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:20 | 817721 liberal sodomy
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By avuncular, do you mean queer?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:24 | 817728 Cdad
Cdad's picture did not mean queer.  But if I have some sort of epiphany that way, I'll be sure to let you know...considering your handle and all...

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:55 | 817792 liberal sodomy
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The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:14 | 817709 ZakuKommander
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What is with this "or" business in the sentence penultimate?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:14 | 817705 ZakuKommander
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Gee, Marxist.  And all along I thought it was Eisenhower who used the "military-industrial complex" phraseology.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:47 | 817902 PeterSchump
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Eisenhower using the term does not make him a marxist, and a marxist using the term does not turn them into Eisenhower.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:47 | 817634 cosmictrainwreck
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seems cdad has annointed himself as thread cleanser; not sure of his credentials, exactly, except he's apparently a legend in his own mind

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:52 | 817649 Cdad
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Not at all.  I'm just very good at spotting value.  There is none between you.

You post away, most of it someone else's words, hardly connected to what is being discussed, and asking the dumbest of each other.

You are clutter monkeys.  I have been trying to figure what value is in you...and I can discover none.  Meanignless drivel and I am curious...why are you here?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:54 | 817655 Jeff Lebowski
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The angry tone of your post makes it difficult to masturbate to...  *



*Stolen form another fine ZH user.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:00 | 817668 wowser22
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Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:14 | 817704 Worker Bee
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+ fap fap fap

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:23 | 817859 Ricky Bobby
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I guess I will add my 2 cents, Fuck Off CDAD

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:00 | 817669 fuu
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You have added what exactly in your 11 weeks here?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:05 | 817680 Cdad
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Well, actually, I think I have been adding a unique perspective on issues discussed here.  I have an unusual way, a certain communication skill that has served me well over the years.

It is a method, combined with some satire, and sprinkled with my market own personal knowledge of our currently broken be specific in answer to your question.

I try to think about the articles...and then engage them the broad concepts within them.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:27 | 817736 fuu
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" then becomes evidence in support of my theory that our problem is that we have far too many criminal syndicate Wall Street bankers in our system."

"But I will digress and watch Hong Kong work on cutting and pasting and "pushing stuff of the page" because when Hong Kong does that, they end up posting some stuff that is SO is very LOLable. "

"None of this will have negative impact on UnicornDew production or PixieDust factories. And nothing matters any more because The Bernank will just print another trillion dollars and jam it into the Blight of America bank. "

"I mean seriously, why wouldn't you go ahead and sign up for a savings account at .1% interest and trust them with your money?  After all, and everything else said, there is like 180,000 of them sitting around trading treasuries with The Bernank using counterfit US's the problem with these guys?  Someone is going to finally make a really good case that I should not bank at the Blight on America.  'Cause I just don't see it yet, I guess."

"If the gathering is in N. America, count me in.  Why not?  None of us here have anything left to lose anyway."

"I'm with Tyler on this one...and I have only one word:  martini"




"Exactly.  Well said.  From the thin facade to the rising stink...I get every bit of that."

"Okay...we now resume normal cdad complete insanity programing.....hooooooooooooooootinany!"


Thanks for posting the sweet charts.  I really like this one because of the pattern it the thing...whatever it is...the spikes like a monkey on crack [like in May..and again in Nov]...and then....whoosh. "

"Listen, I am not exactly feeling patient tonight, but I consider it, you know, common decency to try to be patient with guys in Hong Kong that post stuff that, as far as I can tell, means absolutely nothing.  And if you are not in Hong Kong, I also apologize for that....I do....most sincerely."

"I'm only going to say one thing here.  I don't want a little piece of Cramer any more than I want a big piece of Cramer...but then I don't have any idea about high art or such things."

" Well...I would say you are sophisticated with language, allbeit unconventional with punctuation."

"But it is my duty...not because of any contracts but out of decency tell you that things are probably going to keep on sucking really bad [in the event that you did not already know]...and maybe really even the fiction of our economy is starting to read like a pop up book, if you know what I mean."

"This site is so polluted Iphone 4 zombies everywhere ...barely able to contain even one cogent thought.  But I know...I know...its about the cut and paste and pushing things over the edge and such.

Good grief."


Pot meet kettle.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:33 | 817981 Rick64
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Modest too.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 01:53 | 818131 trav7777
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get real bitch, you ain't addin shit

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:02 | 817673 traderjoe
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Huh? Where did that come from? I like HPD's comments.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:06 | 817683 Cdad
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Much of them today were not his own comments.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:50 | 818010 WaterWings
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How 'bout some f'n examples.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 01:06 | 818089 Drag Racer
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Well, actually, I think I have been adding a unique perspective on issues discussed here.  I have an unusual way, a certain communication skill that has served me well over the years.

Your perspective is unique due to your own mind to not being able to see any other perspective.

unique: existing as the only one or as the sole example

Your communication skill does serve YOU well but no one else. Keep it to yourself unless you can be constructive to the conversation and not just a grandstanding fool.


Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:50 | 818013 SheHunter
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'Zero value added.'

You are talking about yourself Cdad I presume. 

High Plains has my vote on this issue. Go take a cold shower.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:15 | 817716 gwar5
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The military-industrial complex is old school.

It's been overtaken by the welfare-industrial complex, medical-industrial complex, educational-industrial complex, media-industrial complex, agricultural-industrial complex, etc.

The mothership is the financial-industrial complex which owns virtually all of the above key players as major institutional investors -- eg., The Goldman Sack, The JP Morgue, Barclays ...

I think NKorea is one China is giggling about. The fiat money system is fighting to survive. This helps gold, hurts fiat. China knows they can't afford another war.  Looks like a sidebar to the currency war.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:32 | 817746 Kali
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Well said.  Ah yes, the complex-complex.  And we all know what rises in complex systems.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 00:17 | 818046 Oh regional Indian
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Good observations gwar. We are definitely suffering from some complex. Or the other. For a long time.

And these wars, they'll be subtle till they won't. So far, it's been the decade of the proxy war. Everyone has these proxy hot-points, each someone or the other of the UN security council's protected spawn.

North Korea, Venezuela, Taiwan and of course Iraq and soon to be Iran and poor old Pakistan and Afghanistan.

Cowards fighting proxy wars, with proxy pilots and real bombs.

Fit's with the rest of our lives by proxy I guess.


Mon, 12/20/2010 - 01:08 | 818093 Ahmeexnal
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You are forgetting Al Komeini Gore's Climategate Industrial Complex.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:49 | 817908 Whats that smell
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Did you piss on the cornflakes of one of those defense contractor types? You know the kind that maybe works an hour a day total making bombs and the other 7 hours is spent drinking coffee, grab assing, and telling each other how wonderful they are to be protecting the "free" world.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:26 | 817583 DosZap
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Yes, Kim Dong Dill, has stated this is /will lead to a nuclear exchange.(IF the South conducts conventional Drills.)

Go ahead, make the worlds day,JUST ONE, pls JUST one.

You loud mouthed sorry SOB.

Another prime example of why some animals eat their young at birth.


Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:27 | 817587 Oligarchs Gone Wild
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Oh please, they'll be playing soccer on the DMZ in a few days.  All iz well.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:37 | 817601 High Plains Drifter
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Can't play there. Too many land mines and tunnels.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:46 | 817622 liberal sodomy
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Not to worry.  barry X's US Ambassador to the UN, mulatto susan rice is on the case.

We're really represented by the mongrel scum of the Earth.

These mongrels don't speak for me, and I can't see anyone on the planet taking this crew seriously outside of the washington press club.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:17 | 817719 lizzy36
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I am guessing only your fellow klansman can speak for you.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:52 | 817788 liberal sodomy
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You must like the spectre of rape.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:16 | 817953 tickhound
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I don't get it... so your saying remove the blue dildo from my ass and replace it with the red? And this changes what exactly...

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:28 | 817973 JohnG
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Please don't feed the trolls.  It's not worth it.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 00:03 | 818029 SheHunter
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'mulatto susan rice'

and I'm a brunnette.  real pertinent, huh ?


Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:45 | 817627 bugs_
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Has the taunting with bullhorns begun yet?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:55 | 817657 DosZap
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Yes, I think someone yelled, "There's no room for you on my Ass!!".

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:59 | 817665 StychoKiller
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Time to escalate up to "comfy chairs" and "fluffy pillows!"

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:49 | 817781 tickhound
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"Alright all you freshman bitchez... AIR RAID!"

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:49 | 817636 ThisIsBob
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Well as I type its a clear sunny morning there, so wonder what they are waiting for.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:52 | 817647 MGA_1
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And how badly do we all want a war ???

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:52 | 817650 Spalding_Smailes
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Pull up a 10 year US Dollar chart. Its coming off support lows, big bounce coming.

A monkeyhammer for Lira', Peter Schiff ... Lol'



Peter Schiff ~  The Video Peter Schiff Doesn't Want You To See! His Definitive Guide To Doggy Style Stock Picking!

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:57 | 817662 liberal sodomy
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Selling eur/buying gold.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:04 | 817679 Spalding_Smailes
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You should buy CAT or JPM or BAC.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:07 | 817684 liberal sodomy
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Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:11 | 817700 Spalding_Smailes
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And AIG, Prudential, or US Bancorp


Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:40 | 817895 hamurobby
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What about Citi? you left them out.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:08 | 817686 tmosley
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Go all in short gold on margin and call me back when you've lost everything.

You know, dumbshits like you really need to learn the difference between fund managers and stock brokers.  Just because some kid got in at the absolute worst time possible and chose the absolute highest risk investments he could and lost some money doesn't make Peter Schiff a bad stock picker.  You act like that one kid was an average Europac client.

So fucking stupid.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 20:58 | 817664 almost_have_a_name
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My guess is that China want's to know how well our anti missile technology is.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:00 | 817670 sgorem
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Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:07 | 817688 cosmictrainwreck
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somebody call cdad - quick! need an evaluation.........

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:15 | 817710 hdunn2
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+1000 hahaha hilarious

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:15 | 817707 breezer1
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we'll all meet on the road when its over. i'll bring the salt.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:56 | 818023 Things that go bump
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I thought we were going to meet somewhere for drinks.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:56 | 817795 merehuman
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Gee , thanks for shouting. I love the math. there are so few challenges these days.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:43 | 817898 hardcleareye
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I think it is time to increase the difficulty of the math problems, how about adding some square roots to the math problems? 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:05 | 817675 HungrySeagull
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It just occurred to me that North Korea will have no problem erasing Yeonpyeong Island. It would be about 45 miles from Seoul I would think sufficient artillery fired will reach Seoul by sound if the Island is pounded to dust. If I was South Korea, I would want to go ahead and evacuate that Island totally. It's indefensible against the artillery that can reach it. When the sun comes up tomorrow, we will see what goes.

It is easier for NK to crush an island that means nothing than it is for NK to crush Seoul. So little ankle biter doggie gets a small island biscut and then a bigger biscut from the handouts via a world desperate to avoid a hot shooting war in the area.

I will say that C130's fly regularly at all hours of the day and night. I noticed the skies have been quiet of late over the weekend. There is enough C130's to move and I have a bad feeling about this coming week.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:04 | 817681 smeagol
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yes and christmas tv is so boring too. Be nice to watch some flashing lights, whizzes pops and bangs.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:06 | 817682 sgorem
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Hey "hungry seagull", i should sell you my avatar for a couple grams? gold that is:)

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:31 | 817744 HungrySeagull
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Nice offer, but I think I will stick with the paper bags lining the bridges where the homeless have been staying lately sleeping off the fat meal handouts for the holidays LOL.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:08 | 817687 Psquared
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They might fire a couple of shots but it likely will not escalate. If it does escalate it will be the second shortest war in history - second only after the 6 Day War between Israel and Egypt. The North Koreans don't have the weapons or the ammo to fight for long.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:14 | 817708 ThisIsBob
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Or food?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:08 | 817689 Dollar Bill Hiccup
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In the words of my first Tae Kwon Do master : "Never back up!"

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:16 | 817691 YHC-FTSE
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Read Reuters. This story is all about the impending live-fire exercises the South Korean military will conduct on 20th/21st into waters claimed by the North (again). After the announcement, the North responded. So the South really wants to call the North's bluff. This is the biggest gamble I've seen in a long time.


I guess Washington's replaced the subliminal stop smoking tape whispering in President Lee's ear with, "You are a strong, confident man who does not need to smoke cigarettes. You need to smoke some North Koreans instead."


The trouble with playing this game is, what if it's not a bluff like all the other times? The point of no return is when the shells start landing in Seoul instead of Yeonpyeong and we have WWIII. Good luck running to the shelter when 10m people are trying to do the same. I thought surely Lee would never want to witness another war in Korea in his lifetime? But the guy must have taken a shrapnel to the head the last time Seoul was shelled and the moron actually thinks it's worth gambling the lives of his people just to show himself as a strong leader. Doesn't he know the nutjobs in the North are in the exact same situation, and far more desperate than he will ever be? Lee's not even Korean - he was born in Osaka - and that may explain his stupidity.


Stupid. Really stupid. When your adversary is willing to risk everything, you win by not playing his game. I feel desperately sorry for all the poor innocents in Seoul. I hope nothing will come of this madness.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:20 | 817723 Mitchman
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Unfortunately, I think the North has forced his hand.  When the North shot back and killed a couple of civilians after sinking the South's coast guard vessel, I don't think they guy has a choice but to either continue with the military exercise as planned or get voted out of office.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:24 | 817729 BigJim
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Nah - why would anyone other than the US get involved?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:55 | 817794 tmosley
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NK is more or less a vassal state of China.  China, if it went to war with the US, would surely drag in Russia and Iran.  India and Pakistan would get involved, etc.

Of course, none of that will happen, because everyone here is nuclear armed.  No one wants to risk all out nuclear war.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 00:41 | 818066 Oh regional Indian
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tmosely, I think the drums are beign beaten for it though. It always starts like this, ne?

A flash point here, a flashpoint there. And then, the thing that triggers it all comes from left field.


I have a feeling that in the coming conflict (and come it will, too much momentum, both verbal and real is being built into it), nations with military's over-dependent on electronics and supply-chains are going to get the crap kicked out of them.

I see it here, in India, where in all of our little internal war-fare, the guerrilla's always kick the military/para-military's ass. Every time.

In symmetric vs unsymmetric styles, the un-symmetric will ultimately win out.


Mon, 12/20/2010 - 01:15 | 818101 Ahmeexnal
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WWIII will start in the same place where previous world wars started: Europe.


Mon, 12/20/2010 - 08:52 | 818337 Cash_is_Trash
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How many more resources would we squander on another war? We can't even win the ones we are currently fighting. In case of conflict on the Korean Peninsula, how much more debt can this nation take, its called a Phyrric Victory...

What is Hillary proposing??

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:56 | 817793 tip e. canoe
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I guess Washington's replaced the subliminal stop smoking tape whispering in President Lee's ear with, "You are a strong, confident man who does not need to smoke cigarettes. You need to smoke some North Koreans instead."

that's fucking funny.   must be the same tape (slightly altered) they give to our own narcissist-in-chief.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 08:54 | 818330 YHC-FTSE
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It was called, and found to be.....Bluff! (Again). Thank God.


According to Reuters:  "the North's military later said it was not worth reacting to the drill, saying "the world should properly know who is the true champion of peace.""  You couldn't make it up! 


I guess that just means they're probably going to try another bold act of aggression when they have enough rice and money to fund one. It's always been the South with the high principles and measured response, but with that right wing-nut Lee at the helm, expect more uncertainties in the Korean peninsula soon. Personally, I'd love to see the North collapse and the Kim-legacy leaders executed for crimes against their own people, but as things stand the cost is far too high for the civilians on both sides of the border.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:11 | 817699 trav7777
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why the hell has Korea not been reunified yet??

I mean GFD, get it over with.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:14 | 817706 Mitchman
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Nice photo of the B2.  Why aren't the bomb bay doors open?

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 01:30 | 818115 cbxer55
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Because they are stealthy, you can't sees em! ;-)

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:17 | 817718 Worker Bee
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Cant we all just get along? Koombafucking yah motherfuckers..roasting rice cakes around an open fire and shit? Kim just needs a hug.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:27 | 817737 Worker Bee
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Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:29 | 817739 knukles
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Kumbaya time......

Now artillery drills at 27 different locations.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:21 | 817725 AUD
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Maybe the Chinese have sold some sophisticated anti aircraft weapons to North Korea. An attack by the US on N. Korea would have to be getting a bit close to home for the Chinese.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:21 | 817856 squexx
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NK's real value to China is that it is a finger to poke the USA in the eye with. NK is like a stupid, drunk hillbilly neighbor with lots of guns. I seriously doubt that the Chinese would give the North any advanced weapons that could possibly be used against them. Most of NK's weaponry is of Viet Nam era vintage. NK is more than a pain in the ass for China than anything. If it really came down to it, China would get itself "invited" in, march in and put a puppet in control of the government that cowtows to Beijing.

China CANNOT afford a war on this border. Something else the media doesn't mention is that NK has $TRILLIONS worth of mineral deposits sitting in the ground. Including lots of RRE's, which China currently has a monopoly on. They simply will NOT let things spin out of control there.



Mon, 12/20/2010 - 00:23 | 818054 ColonelCooper
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As a stupid, drunk hillbilly with a lot of guns, I resent your comment.  We prefer coonass. Unless we know each other, in which case woodtick is also acceptable. 

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:32 | 817747 RobotTrader
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I met a weapons system designer in a bar the other night.

He said that the latest and greatest rockets and missles being deployed by the U.S. Navy are second to none.

Check out the new "Rail" guns.....

I asked this guy if we should be worried about N. Korea.

He laughed......

He said the Koreans had no chance of matching our guns that can launch a projectile over 200 miles at Mach 7....


Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:39 | 817758 Mitchman
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It's comforting to see this on the same weekend I read about the Chinese planning their first aircraft carrier.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:58 | 817800 tmosley
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Missile cruisers make aircraft carriers obsolete.  They are just too vulnerable against modern weapons.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:19 | 817852 High Plains Drifter
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Agreed. It is ww2 technology really.  Too bulky and too much of a target for sea skimming missles. Which makes me very surrised why China is going whole hog into the carrier business. Too me, they are late to the party and should be spending their money on 21st century weapons if that is what they want, for whatever reason.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:38 | 817890 cosmictrainwreck
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jackin' up the labor in shipyards.... let's hope that remains their priority

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 02:05 | 818140 trav7777
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because aircraft carriers really AREN'T useless.

I know this is very difficult for people to understand, but just because these are large ships does not make them easy to hit.

SURELY, you do not believe that the Navy hasn't thought of this before you just did, right?  Getting a radar lock on one of these things during wartime ECM is next to impossible.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:00 | 817929 PeterSchump
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Aircraft carriers are useful against the armed forces of third world countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, and the future USA.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 00:06 | 818033 palmereldritch
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third world countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, and the future USA.



aka Globalstan

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:44 | 817767 honestann
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Easy to laugh at a joke like NorthKorea.  However, everyone with half a brain understands that all the high tech goodies in the world do not work so well against massively unconventional techniques.  Therefore, he who laughs so easily has a very limited scope of thought.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:47 | 817775 TheGreatPonzi
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The real threat with North Korea is not their army, it's a nuclear winter.

Otherwise, Kim Jong Il would already be dead.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:21 | 817857 High Plains Drifter
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For North Korea, it is not so much the nukes it has (if it does indeed have them). It is the two new reactor complexes that they have now up and running producing cobalt 60, a old idea whose time has come, according to some. If they ever get this stuff into someone's country and somehow disperse it, it is nothing but bad news.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:55 | 817796 Anarchist
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A practical ship borne power source for a rail gun like tested does not exist. Who wants to wait hours between shots? Rail guns are decades away from deployment just like air borne lasers.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:06 | 817823 almost_have_a_name
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Most of the navy's newest small ships are turbo-electric, some even have superconducting motors (high power to weight).

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:10 | 817937 Anarchist
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The instantaneous power required to fire this rail gun is huge. No land based or ship borne generator could supply it. The way around this it to slowly charge a massive bank of capacitors. This keeps the average power drawn within the generators capability. The capacitors are then discharged into the main coil. To use this type of gun on a ship would require a very slow rate of fire. A rocket or missle would be a better use of space on a ship.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 00:38 | 818064 Rotwang
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You should learn to operate a calculator.

And be made aware of that a 32 MegaJoules is merely another descriptor for 32 MegaWattSeconds, and even Wikipedia publishes the alleged power available on modern war ships.


Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:25 | 817867 High Plains Drifter
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Another wasted effort on some toy that we can go and kill our fellow man with?  When does it stop?  We are broke now. Many of our people are living in tents with no food to speak of. We have unemployment in the area of 20 percent, yet somehow we have time and the money to play with these silly inventions that mean nothing to world peace. So we see, that the so-called peace dividend we supposedly got when the Russians supposedly folded in 1992, was not to be. Now we have terrorist enemies that cannot be found and we fight on forever chasing them and the world is not safe as long as terrorist states are allowed to pursue this never ending conflict based upon lies, lies that many willingly believe and die for ..........

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:46 | 817901 StychoKiller
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Commissars and pin-stripe bosses
Roll the dice.
Any way they fall,
Guess who gets to pay the price.
Money green or proletarian gray,
Selling guns 'stead of food today.

So the kids they dance
And shake their bones,
And the politicians throwin' stones,
Singing ashes, ashes, all fall down.
Ashes, ashes, all fall down.

Heartless powers try to tell us
What to think.
If the spirit's sleeping,
Then the flesh is ink
History's page will thus be carved in stone.
And we are here, and we are on our own.
On our own.

[/quote] -- "Throwin' Stones", Grateful Dead

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 23:13 | 817947 High Plains Drifter
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I used to like the Dead. I was never a "Dead Head" but nevertheless I found them interesting. They did their own thing. Some crazy people used to follow them around everywhere. I think this sort of behavior kind of died off when Garcia died.

Check out this old Austin guy. Never made it big but he is very good and writes his own songs. Listen to the words.

When I was a soldier boy in 1970, they told us that people who went to Canada were traitors and cowards, simply because they did not want to fight that stupid war in Vietnam. I never agreed with that summation. Now they can go and get you when you do this.

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 01:26 | 818111 Ahmeexnal
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Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes

Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh lord yeah!

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:57 | 817798 Charles Mackay
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I don't dispute what are saying.  In 1988, I actually visited the DMZ and was a tad concerned I was within shooting distance of NK.

Anyway after going there, you realize just how close many millions in SK are within artillery range of NK.  

Even in a one hour war, many would die in SK.

Having said that I don't think this will spread and become WWIII - well as long as it is only SK troops on the ground in NK.





Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:07 | 817818 squexx
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Correct-a-mundo! NK's threat to Sk is the same as a bee's. Yes, they've got that huge sting to contend with, but afterwards it dies. NK can kill millions in Seoul, but they would be a grease spot on the map shortly afterwards.........and they know it.

Seoul itself has about 12 million proper and the "burbs" around it have another 8 or so million. Around 40% of Korea's 47 million population lives in the vicinity of Seoul. If the North ever did get that stupid, it would be suicide for all of NK.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:20 | 817855 almost_have_a_name
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We have hundreds (if not thousands) of anti-mortar installations. Most are designed to counter attack the gun that fired the shell, return fire is within a few meters. After that we do have some equipment that can shoot down incomming rounds (but not a volly).

How awesome is that, and only $4000 each round a real bargain?



Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:04 | 817817 AUD
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What sort of accuracy are we looking at over 200 miles?

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:37 | 817888 almost_have_a_name
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Meters, JDAM guidance in a tungsten rod (Rods from God)...

Mon, 12/20/2010 - 15:33 | 819178 themosmitsos
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Robot, your guy is CLUELESS. Just fyi

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:34 | 817749 buzzsaw99
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I want to have sex with north korea. hot dirty monkey love.

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 22:40 | 817893 cosmictrainwreck
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I think she might....but you be the two-bagger

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:40 | 817759 AGoldhamster
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Gold bitches on their way to 1600 and the odds are that this is already the second leg of the halfway pattern

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:41 | 817762 treemagnet
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If they use B-52's they are really serious.  B-2'S, its a joke - when the USAF uses these fucking flying atari's you know its a rouse.  They use B-2's like a high school coach who is ahead (in the only real sport) in a hockey game like 10 -1 (football scores +).  JV, fourth line, whatever, everbody but the best plays.  Yes, I was 4th line.  Yes, it sucks and yes, hockey (and maybe rugby) are really they only true sports played today.  Whats the metric....if you play it (and I do) after high school, its a real sport.  And I mean play it like you used to play it, so, maybe basketball - but not softball - no way, thats just a drinking game.  Merry Christmas.  Not Happy Holidays! (sincerely)

Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:46 | 817772 Royal Fleming
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Whats the vegas odds?


Sun, 12/19/2010 - 21:45 | 817774 gwar5
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NK: Bang Dae-Ho?

SK: Yoo Dae-Ho.

NK: Ai Dae-Ho?

SK: Yoo Dae-Ho.

NK: Hoo Dae-Ho??

SK: Yoo Dae-Ho!

NK: Ai Dae-Ho??!!

SK: YOOOO Dae-Ho!!



Mon, 12/20/2010 - 00:13 | 818041 palmereldritch
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this could explain why Clinton keeps popping up over there

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