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You Don't Mess With The LBMA - Assassination Attempt On Silver Market Manipulation Whistleblower?

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The latest development in Silvergate, in which whistleblower Andrew Maguire has exposed the manipulation details in the London commodity market, is straight out of a John Le Carre or Ian Flemming novel: an assassination attempt. From GATA:

London metals trader Andrew Maguire, who warned an investigator for the
U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission in advance about a gold and
silver market manipulation to be undertaken by traders for JPMorgan
Chase in February and whose whistleblowing was publicized by GATA at
Thursday's CFTC hearing on metals futures trading was injured along with his wife the next day when their car was struck by a hit-and-run driver in the London area.

According to GATA's contact with Maguire, board member Adrian
Douglas, Maguire and his wife were admitted to a hospital overnight and
released today and are expected to recover fully.

Maguire told Douglas by telephone today that his car was struck by a
car careening out of a side road. When a pedestrian who witnessed the
crash tried to block the other driver's escape, the other driver
accelerated at the pedestrian, causing him to jump out of the way to
avoid being hit. The other driver's car then struck two other cars in
escaping. But the other driver was caught by police after a chase in
which police helicopters were summoned.

We'll convey more information about the incident as it becomes available.

We are in process of corroborating this story with independent sources. It will be interesting to see what information the escapee driver discloses and whether this was just a case of a little extra fish and chips and extra, extra beer. In the meantime, the battle against the big banks and the LBMA might have just gotten a little more personal.



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Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:00 | 278351 lawton
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Hopefully the guy who hired him will give up some names but maybe the bankers already have all scenarios covered. Guess they wanted to get him before he made the rounds on some TV networks...

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:50 | 278407 perchprism
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That's what it sounds like to me.  Take him out of circulation for awhile and let the heat dissipate.  At the same time it delivers a bit of a personal message.  Strong move by the bad guys.

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:56 | 278412 strike for retu...
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Truth-seekers and whistleblowers are always heroes.

Whether this was an accident or something more sinister, the Maguires will be in my prayers.

Truth always prevails in the end.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:06 | 278471 hungrydweller
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Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:17 | 278490 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Whatever is right! Wait...whatever what? 9/11? Here I go again!

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 06:45 | 278574 Cognitive Dissonance
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Yup, looks like your normal 47 story building collapsing in 7 seconds from minor fire and smoke damage, after which no mainstream media outlet is willing to discuss that it ever happened, let alone how it happened.

After viewing that video, a person has three choices. Crawl even deeper into your denial or start asking questions. Or troll the boards as an operative of the machine dismissing anyone who is asking questions as crazy.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 09:41 | 278616 Internet Tough Guy
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You troofers have two choices; crawl deeper into your psychosis or get medicated. Now carry on searching for Obama's 'real' birth certificate.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 09:53 | 278620 taraxias
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Wow, you are one hell of a tough guy. Does the CIA pay you with a cheque or direct deposit now days? Just wondering.......

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:28 | 278632 Internet Tough Guy
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CIA doesn't have to pay to discredit you chemtrail sniffers. You do it yourselves, for free.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:32 | 278635 jedwards
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lol anyone who doesn't think that 9-11 wasn't an inside plot is paid by the CIA?  I wish that were the case, I could use the extra money.


Plain and simple: anyone who thinks the US planned 9-11 on themselves is cuckoo.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:54 | 278643 taraxias
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After such persuasive arguments you are putting forth, how can possibly deny being a cuckoo? <<<sarcasm off>>>

Are you really that thick, or are those hundreds the CIA has put in front of you obstruct your vision.

I'm a practicing engineer from one of the best schools in the country. Those building were in free fall. Translation for dimwits like you: they collapsed from the bottom down, not from the top down as claimed by the USG. They were imploded. That's all I need to know.

Wake up FFS.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:15 | 278652 strike for retu...
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Interesting how those who would deny the reality of 9/11 always want to drag in some unrelated issue or make an ad hominem attack.  Did they take a debating class in high school?

Stick to the facts.  According to the official conspiracy theory three steel-framed skyscrapers collapsed from "fire" on 9/11.  No other steel-framed skyscraper has collapsed from fire before or since.

Here's the wacko theory... A handful of bored Saudi youths outwitted the US air defense systems and forced a peace-loving nation to start two wars that have killed an unknown number of innocent civilians and enlarged the US empire.  BTW, many estimates have the number of Iraqi deaths resulting from US sanctions and wars in the last twenty years as being over 1,000,000.

There is evil in this world, and you can choose to try to stop it or be part of it or to stick your head in the sand and wait until your ass is the target.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:10 | 278660 Internet Tough Guy
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You are a lunatic. If the CIA wanted to discredit your kind, the easiest thing to do is simply let you speak. Or the CIA may be helping spread trooferism, which is a great way to discredit it.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:19 | 278667 strike for retu...
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Calling people names is such a time-tested method of proving that you are correct.  I remember it as the most popular form of debate among third graders.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 13:12 | 278760 gdub53
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You can't be for real. Or you are just a complete fucking idiot.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:17 | 278665 jedwards
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I too am a practicing engineer from a top school.  My closest friend is a civil engineer with almost 20 years of experience.  He works with explosives all the time.  He is sickened by all the so-called experts who claim that explosives brought down the WTCs.

You must have been the worst student in your engineering class if you believe that the buildings were in freefall.  Let me guess, were you an industrial engineering student?  Biomechanical?  Mining engineer?  Computer?  You certainly weren't in a discipline where both physics and common sense were a pre-requisite.

So forgive me, I was wrong.  Not everyone who believes that 9-11 was a US government conspiracy is cuckoo.  Some are just plain stupid, such as yourself.  The situation is far too complex for you to understand, however, you have filled in the gaps of your own intelligence with imagination, and have fooled yourself into thinking you understand.  You're kind of like global warming nutzis.  The idea that CO2 causes global warming is a very easy concept to visualize, therefore you think you understand it, whereas the actual mechanism of atmospheric science is far more complex then simply heat bouncing off CO2 in the atmosphere, and doesn't exist except in mythology.  But because your mind has grasped this idea, you think it's correct, but in fact, you're completely wrong.

If you need some help in visualizing how the WTCs collapsed, how about I dumb it down for you:

Did you ever play the video game Burgertime, where the chef runs over parts of a burger such as the lettuce, meat, or bun, and it creates a burger at the bottom of the screen?  Hopefully that is something that your mind can grasp.  Now, when you run over the top part of the bun, it actually causes a chain-reaction effect where the weight of the top layers cause the bottom layers to all collapse because of the weight of the upper layers hitting it.  One layer can cause the entire hamburger to collapse.

This is what happened in the WTC.  It was a giant hamburger that collapsed because the top parts collapsed on the lower layers.  It doesn't require explosives to bring down the entire building.  And no, the building was not "freefalling" despite what Loose Change would like you to think.



Like I said, I wish the CIA would pay me.  I would gladly take any free money coming my way.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:47 | 278679 strike for retu...
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NIST admits WTC 7 fell at freefall.

WTC 1 and WTC 2 fell at less than freefall speed.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:30 | 278682 taraxias
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Wow, you can't even sound convincing in creating a strawman argument. Nice try in trying to bring CO2 into the picture.

You and your "engineer" friend must be confused. Or, perhaps you mean "engineer" in the loose European sense of a "boiler maintenance person" (look it up). If you don't undertsand what freefall is you have no business in even mentioning the word "engineer"

For the record, I'm a Civil Engineer and if you live in NY, there's probably a very good chance you've walked into buildings that I was the project lead on their design and construction. 

Grow up, and if you don't want top stop lying to us at least stop lying to yourself.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:52 | 278695 gmrpeabody
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ZH is starting to remind me  of the Yahoo message boards from years ago. You made your point, someone replied, move on.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 12:41 | 278731 strike for retu...
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As Ghandi, Martin Luther King and others have demonstrated some forms of evil can be destroyed through patiently publicizing the evil.  

At the same time there are those who would deny the existence of that evil either because of their own ignorance or fear or because they benefit from the evil.  Watch the video of the CFTC procedings.  Watch the video of Gensler's face while Murphy was speaking about Maguire.  See the faces of the other panelists.  From that alone you can tell who is lying and who is a hero.

Maguire is a hero.  Truth seekers are heroes.  Whistleblowers are heroes.

Anybody can choose to be a hero instead of being a coward or a criminal.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 13:29 | 278778 Cistercian
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 Excellent.Speaking the truth fearlessly is difficult.

 And it really angers the treasonous criminal liars.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 12:47 | 278742 Sabremesh
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"Incredulity" doesn't quite cover my response to your analogy. "Stupefaction" almost gets there. You are comparing the structural qualities of a hamburger versus the steel and concrete WTC a means of clarifying your argument? Wait, not even. A computer game in which you make a burger, which collapses if you do it wrong, and this is supposed to illuminate your point? You are, without doubt, the purest, most perfectly complete, moron I have ever encountered. 

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 13:14 | 278765 boiow
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+10 with bells on

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 13:14 | 278767 gdub53
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another fucking idiot !!!

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 13:43 | 278786 Hulk
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Hassan Astaneh - "The crash of the planes themselves must have had little, if any, impact on the internal structure of the towers at first, Astaneh explained, as the planes' weight alone -- even at a few hundred thousand pounds each -- would not have ruptured the girders. But the thousands of gallons of burning fuel and the instant explosions produced temperatures of more than 2,000 degrees, Astaneh said. That was more than enough to destroy the insulation around the steel beams and columns and weaken the steel members until they became "soft and mushy," he said. Those structural columns and beams, however strong originally, could not possibly have supported the undamaged upper floors of the two towers above the explosions. Suddenly, "as the columns collapsed, those whole upper stories of the buildings dropped like dead bodies," Astaneh said. "That impact was too much, and no building could possibly withstand such weight, so floor after floor came down in what we call progressive collapse."[4]

We are back to the fact that folks do not understand the amount of energy contained in a gallon of gas or jet fuel.

4 gas stations at an intersection represent the equivalent of "Little Boy" in energy.

IMHO, 911 represents a massive failure in US intelligence and not conspiracy

Junk away!


Sun, 03/28/2010 - 14:21 | 278804 strike for retu...
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Oh, please.  Even NIST never claimed that jet fuel melted steel.

Melting temperature of steel ~1500 Celsius.  Jet fuel in a jet engine burns at ~1000 Celsius.  Jet fuel in an open air fire burns at less than 300 Celsius.  Clouds of black smoke indicate low temperature / inefficient burning.

Your gas station claim is absurd if you are refering to a chemical reaction.  Yeah a few tens of thousands of gallons of gasoline compare to tens of millions of pounds of TNT, not.  Do let us know what cities have been incinerated by errant gas stations.

Yet melted steel was found under all three towers more than a month after the collapse.  Unconsumed thermite and thermate were found in dust samples from around NYC after /11.  Likewise the byproduct of the burning of those materials. 

Firefighters had nearly extinguished the fires in the south tower.  Stop being a coward or a criminal.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 15:49 | 278864 WaterWings
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Mmm. Burgers. Hold the nano-thermite please.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 16:46 | 278926 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings!:

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 16:54 | 278931 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Seconds please? - 4 Suspects in World Trade Center Before 9/11 Doing Construction:

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 17:02 | 278937 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Dubs, I am still hungry!

Barry Jennings..RIP:

Barry Jennings WTC 7 Interview (short version):

Barry Jennings - 9/11 WTC7 Full Uncut Interview - 2 of 2:

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 20:09 | 279135 cephalo
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You are a burgerneer of clown proportions.

The twin towers dustified.

Tue, 05/25/2010 - 22:47 | 373490 SILENCE DOOGOOD

  Ok jedwards,

           Your hamburger theory coupled with denial makes it real easy for me to see through your disguise. I can spot a BUSH by the childrens' books that he reads and the adolescent video games he plays, that patch over your eye and that terrible pseudonym doesn't fool me. It's a new day George. We knew there were NO WEAPONS of MASS DESTRUCTION, just as we know that the Twin Towers didn't collapse from heat exhaustion. Have another beer George; it's on US...........

Mon, 03/29/2010 - 07:10 | 279492 Frankie Carbone
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2nd practicing engineer here. 14 years in the field. The buildings fell too fast. Laymen opining on physics is worse than Cramer opining on stocks. 

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:58 | 278649 Manbarepig
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Is 9/11 a gov't conspiracy? Probably.


Who flew planes into lower Manhattan, the Pentagon and PA farmland? About 2 dozen pissed off Arabs who believed in a higher power than American Idol, People magazine, and limitless fast food.


People have a hard time differentiating the ACT of 9/11 from the STORY of 9/11. Its much better on this side.


Oh, and stop watching Loose Change... such garbage...

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:06 | 278655 boiow
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nobody is saying idiot bush planned it. this was planned at levels above the president and in case you havn't noticed they are not apple pie eatin' uncle sam ,founding father US constitutionalists.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 16:20 | 278892 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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"Angel" was next, the threat stated.  This threat was made directly to the White House.  "Angel" is code for "Air Force One".  So up Angel rose into the heavens, and in a holding pattern she stayed for Horus...I mean hours.  Baby boy had no idea what was going on.  All he was told was to read his favorite book with a classroom full of children.

Seven Minutes - The Bush 9/11 Split Screen Video:

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 14:16 | 278802 A Nanny Moose
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The US govt cannot even run R-Amtrack, however anyone who thinks wtc7 is anything other than a demo, is in denial. Just because one believes it was a demo, does not mean one believes the Goobermint was behind it. FTM.

How did structures bombed during the Bosnia conflict fare? How about Earthquakes? Not so neat is it?


Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:26 | 278631 boiow
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Tue, 04/06/2010 - 19:30 | 289175 SILENCE DOOGOOD


                         Silence Doogood

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:22 | 278673 boiow
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anyone that flags CD's posts as junk has an agenda.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:42 | 278692 Bob
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He seems to have a stalker, fwiw.  It happens. 

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 16:08 | 278883 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I didn't get **junked**?!  I sort of feel left out...maybe I should post more videos.  Here is the CCTV Buiding burning red hot, and then the day after.  Building did not fall.  Because steel framed skyscrapers were made to withstand, well, anything.

CCTV (China Central Television Station)'s new building get burned:

Aftermath of Oriental Tower fire:

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 17:04 | 278943 Hulk
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We shall agree to disagree, Mr Lennon Hendrix and I shall not junk you!

Alas, I fear the ZH server hard drives are in danger of running out of space and will post no more on the 911 issue.....


Sun, 03/28/2010 - 17:08 | 278945 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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touche.  I made my points.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 07:04 | 278577 boiow
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+10  great site

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 01:07 | 278514 tmosley
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Assassination of a person shortly after blowing the whistle is NOT a strong move.  It only brings more attention.  The strong move would have been to assassinate him BEFORE he leaked the information.

This, instead, reeks of desperation. 

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 01:57 | 278532 Bob
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On the chance, however unlikely, that it was an assassination attempt, not only was it pathetic both in concept and execution (London is blanketed with police surveilance cameras and the streets aren't really that great for get-away driving), but it would backfire badly.  Even if the "hit man" doesn't spill, this whistleblower is definitely on the charts now.  And you don't have two potentially fatal accidents.

He's golden. 

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 06:17 | 278570 Quintus
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I doubt they wanted to kill him.  Probably just scare the bejesus out of him and remind him that his wife and family are also in the firing line.  "Nice family you got there.  Be a shame if something bad happened to them...".  You'd have to be very determined, and have the full backing of your family, to continue speaking out after an incident like this.  

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 07:59 | 278592 SWRichmond
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Sun, 03/28/2010 - 09:02 | 278606 Crime of the Century
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Markopolis slept with a 12 gauge. Markopolis was not paranoid.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:44 | 278623 Bob
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And he still ain't dead.  The fear is real, but the magnitude of the threat is questionable . . . regardless of how strong the fear.  You'd naturally be paranoid--it's normal under high stress and comes with the psychological territory of "war"--but that doesn't mean the chances of anything actually happening are statistically significant.  In reality, they just aren't.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 12:21 | 278706 Quintus
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OK I'll bite.  What, then, do you feel is the statistical probability of being rammed by a hit-and-run driver the day after attempting to expose one of the largest and wealthiest organisations in the world in the act of committing a fraud of intergalactic proportions?  By a driver showing extraordinary determination not to get caught, at that.  

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 12:48 | 278744 Bob
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OK, I'd guess that in this single instance the odds would be about 1/10,000 (the simple number of days the average person goes between traffic accidents in London, circumstances not a factor, either having blown a whistle or the driver trying to get away.)  Weird shit does happen in individual cases.  Lightening even strikes the same spot twice. 

But how many people go whistleblower and then have mysterious accidents using a meaningful, i.e., reasonably-sized, sample of that population?

Maybe one in a million would be my guess. 

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 01:32 | 278522 Howard_Beale
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For anyone who watches the brilliant BBC series Spooks ad has spent any time there (as I have), London has more cameras on their streets than any city in the world. If MI5 investigates, it will interesting to see what information is let out (especially if MI6 has a say about it!).

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 01:59 | 278534 Bob
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Same thought, Howard.  Didn't notice you had already commented on it. 

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:57 | 278648 Rollerball
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Yeah, like MI6's investigation of MI7's assassination of Benazir Bhutto. 

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:59 | 278700 Miles Kendig
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Some folks forget that with the ability to lay claim to recording everything comes the expectation that such events would be resolved quickly and completely.  Looks like total and abject failure on point with some deep shadows.  

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 15:53 | 278871 WaterWings
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Truly! Although I imagine we will see as much footage as the Christmas bomber at Schipol and 9/11 Pentagon "sitchyations".

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 08:59 | 278605 IBelieveInMagic
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Was this story carried in any MSM? I fear this is the kind of kookie story that may circulated to undermine the conspiracy theorists by painting them as crazies. I will be skeptical of this story until I see more evidence.

BTW, I do believe the markets are highly manipulated.

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:05 | 278354 non-anon
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The criminal cabal will stop at nothing to keep us in the dark. Those shining the light and blowing the whistle are doing so in the face of all odds, keep exposing these vermin!

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 08:30 | 278596 Missing_Link
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See, I don't see how the Ahmed bin Zayed al-Nahyan could be any kind of conspiracy.  He's not a whistleblower, and the pilot survived.

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:06 | 278355 Jim in MN
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Wow, better torture that driver with a ball point pen or something.  And to think '24' just got cancelled.  Who needs it any more? 

We are all programmed by Fox you better TALK

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 02:01 | 278535 TheGoodDoctor
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Probably for the better on 24. I got so sick of all the relationship crap they put in. And this season with the blond gal Dana? Give me a break. It's almost crossing the line of a soap opera. Jeez. I thought they might kill Jack off this year. No way now or there is no movie franchise.

On topic. Wow. Should be interesting what becomes of this, especially with all the cameras in the UK.

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:11 | 278356 Bob
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This seems to me to be a problem that ZH could help solve.  I'm thinking a FAQ for whistleblowers and some links to serious employment law attorneys who want to hear from them even as much as we do. 

The courageous first of the onslaught of whistleblowers we dream of deserve our help to do what they need to do.  Not the least of which would be to enjoy the "cover" that comes in numbers, i.e., they're not the only ones. 

Couldn't hurt traffic, either, I would think. 

Just my opinion. 

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:18 | 278362 Tyler Durden
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We have been soliciting whistleblower input for a year. And we are working on your proposal.

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:30 | 278367 Bob
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It's really cool when a community of aware and capable people really pull together.  You are the man, man!

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:48 | 278376 Rusty Shorts
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Fight Club rule #1 & #2


Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:07 | 278381 Hulk
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I wish you success in this endeavor TD. I went at it twice with rock solid evidence and ended up in the same shape as Marko.

Perhaps you will find the angle I never could...

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:20 | 278386 Bob
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Did you have expert guidance and ongoing support, even in the documentation phase of your quest?

Just curious.  I think numbers will trump all, if they come forth.  But still, you have personal experience. 

So do I.  I was missing the expert guidance component.

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:36 | 278394 Hulk
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I was guided by a person two levels under the president. At the time it felt like it was good, very sincere guidance, but I have since found an attorney who is familiar with the players involved and she has told me that I was played for a fool...

Nice to know the truth finally

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:40 | 278398 Bob
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Sucks.  I guess I coulda suffered getting bad advice.  But I got advice that was good enough to fully recognize when I got it too late. 

There have to be alot of first rate aggressive and ambitious attorneys who would love to sink their teeth into this stuff. 

Not only getting paid, but getting famous, too. 


Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:46 | 278405 Hulk
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I should have added that the attorney's advice, had I consulted her, would have been not to pursue the case. She told me their was no way in the world to win, and I fully believe her now. Also interesting to note that MISH published part of my case

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:52 | 278409 Bob
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That's the beauty of consulting an expert, imo.  You get good advice.  Surely not everyone who would should.  But we all know how many don't even get that far. 

Chances of winning in your case aside, do you regret trying?

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 23:20 | 278426 velobabe
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law of contracts?

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 23:25 | 278432 Hulk
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No, it gave me great understanding into the depth of fraud and corruption we are up against. I have been banished to Siberia though, which allows me to read ZH during the day!

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 23:28 | 278435 Bob
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I don't regret one damn thing, either. 

That counts alot for me. 

Hope you're collecting unemployment at least, Hulk!

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 23:37 | 278442 Hulk
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I am still a fed employee, just wondering when the federal whistleblower protection runs out! They will get me, sooner or later,but at this point, thats ok. Glad to hear you are happy with your decision too

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 23:42 | 278446 Bob
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My attitude is that life brings us all pain at times.  I'd prefer to take mine with doing the right thing (many fewer regrets to go with that inevitable pain.)

Good luck, man!

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 23:51 | 278455 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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'And the Buddha sat beneath the tree of enlightenment, and realizing he was hungry, stood up and went to dinner.'
Life is suffering; "what matters most is how well you walk through the fire." You two be proud of your actions. You do not need me to tell you that, but it is the truth.

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 23:57 | 278463 velobabe
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ahem life is suffering†

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:03 | 278470 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:09 | 278475 Hulk
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Its the family that suffers. I was essentially in a perpetual state of pissed off during most of the investigation, once I realized what was happening. I could not be reasoned with or talked to for months at a time.At the time, I likened it to fighting an enemy who wouldn't show up, very frustrating

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 15:01 | 278824 MsCreant
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Looks like you picked a good avatar to articulate "a perpetual state of pissed off" and "fighting an enemy who wouldn't show up, very frustrating."

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:00 | 278466 DoChenRollingBearing
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Hulk & Bob, I second Mr. Lennon's kudos.

Would be nice if truth does win out.

My experience with the Feds is that if something real sexy is secret, then it will not be for too long.

Best of luck to all whistleblowers.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 15:03 | 278827 MsCreant
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Whistle blowers are HOT, HOT, HOT!

Saying stuff like that seems to get my husband to do quite a few things I like him to do...

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 15:56 | 278873 WaterWings
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Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:15 | 278383 Roy Bush
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Be careful.  I've seen what has happened recently with Wikileaks and Cryptome.  This is best accomplished with an offshore site.  Wikileaks is positioning themselves well in Iceland.  

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 22:45 | 278404 carbonmutant
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More than attorneys you need to provide protection.

Anybody who talks is going to be walking away from life as they know it.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:14 | 278420 Bob
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There's nothing like publicity to discourage that kind of thing.  Worst case, numbers dictate that eventually they'll get caught red-handed if they go after more than just a few people. 

Not everybody is meant to lead, that's for sure.  But those who are overdue on that call from their consciences may still decide to go for it. 

Hey, we could all die any minute.  And we all certainly will, eventually.  Question is, imo, how did you live?

Of course, in the real world, the vast majority of whistleblowers don't die.  We all know the names of famous ones.  It's understandable being afraid, but alot of people can handle it.  They're the whistleblower type

And thank God for that. 

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:10 | 278357 geopol
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The general state we are in.....


PCR Now leaves us because there is no truth.... Goodbye Paul...


Truth Has Fallen and Taken Liberty With It


There was a time when the pen was mightier than the sword. That was a time when people believed in truth and regarded truth as an independent power and not as an auxiliary for government, class, race, ideological, personal, or financial interest.

Today Americans are ruled by propaganda. Americans have little regard for truth, little access to it, and little ability to recognize it.

Truth is an unwelcome entity. It is disturbing. It is off limits. Those who speak it run the risk of being branded “anti-American,” “anti-semite” or “conspiracy theorist.”

Truth is an inconvenience for government and for the interest groups whose campaign contributions control government.

Truth is an inconvenience for prosecutors who want convictions, not the discovery of innocence or guilt.

Truth is inconvenient for ideologues.

Today many whose goal once was the discovery of truth are now paid handsomely to hide it. “Free market economists” are paid to sell offshoring to the American people. High-productivity, high value-added American jobs are denigrated as dirty, old industrial jobs. Relicts from long ago, we are best shed of them. Their place has been taken by “the New Economy,” a mythical economy that allegedly consists of high-tech white collar jobs in which Americans innovate and finance activities that occur offshore. All Americans need in order to participate in this “new economy” are finance degrees from Ivy League universities, and then they will work on Wall Street at million dollar jobs.

Economists who were once respectable took money to contribute to this myth of “the New Economy.”

And not only economists sell their souls for filthy lucre. Recently we have had reports of medical doctors who, for money, have published in peer-reviewed journals concocted “studies” that hype this or that new medicine produced by pharmaceutical companies that paid for the “studies.”

The Council of Europe is investigating the drug companies’ role in hyping a false swine flu pandemic in order to gain billions of dollars in sales of the vaccine.

The media helped the US military hype its recent Marja offensive in Afghanistan, describing Marja as a city of 80,000 under Taliban control. It turns out that Marja is not urban but a collection of village farms.

And there is the global warming scandal, in which  NGOs. the UN, and the nuclear industry colluded in concocting  a doomsday scenario in order to create profit in pollution.

Wherever one looks, truth has fallen to money.

Wherever money is insufficient to bury the truth, ignorance, propaganda, and short memories finish the job.

I remember when, following CIA director William Colby’s testimony before the Church Committee in the mid-1970s, presidents Gerald Ford and Ronald Reagan issued executive orders preventing the CIA and U.S. black-op groups from assassinating foreign leaders.  In 2010 the US Congress was told by Dennis Blair, head of national intelligence, that the US now assassinates its own citizens in addition to foreign leaders.

When Blair told the House Intelligence Committee that US citizens no longer needed to be arrested, charged, tried, and convicted of a capital crime, just murdered on suspicion  alone of being a “threat,” he wasn’t impeached. No investigation pursued. Nothing happened. There was no Church Committee. In the mid-1970s the CIA got into trouble for plots to kill Castro. Today it is American citizens who are on the hit list. Whatever objections there might be don’t carry any weight. No one in government is in any trouble over the assassination of U.S. citizens by the U.S. government. 

As an economist, I am astonished that the American economics profession has no awareness whatsoever that the U.S. economy has been destroyed by the offshoring of U.S. GDP to overseas countries. U.S. corporations, in pursuit of absolute advantage or lowest labor costs and maximum CEO “performance bonuses,” have moved the production of goods and services marketed to Americans to China, India, and elsewhere abroad. When I read economists describe offshoring as free trade based on comparative advantage, I realize that there is no intelligence or integrity in the American economics profession.

Intelligence and integrity have been purchased by money. The transnational or global U.S. corporations pay multi-million dollar compensation packages to top managers, who achieve these “performance awards” by replacing U.S. labor with foreign labor. While Washington worries about “the Muslim threat,” Wall Street, U.S. corporations and “free market” shills destroy the U.S. economy and the prospects of tens of millions of Americans.

Americans, or most of them, have proved to be putty in the hands of the police state.

Americans have bought into the government’s claim that security requires the suspension of civil liberties and accountable government. Astonishingly, Americans, or most of them, believe that civil liberties, such as habeas corpus and due process, protect “terrorists,” and not themselves. Many also believe that the Constitution is a tired old document that prevents government from exercising the kind of police state powers necessary to keep Americans safe and free.

Most Americans are unlikely to hear from anyone who would tell them any different.

I was associate editor and columnist for the Wall Street Journal. I was Business Week’s first outside columnist, a position I held for 15 years. I was columnist for a decade for Scripps Howard News Service, carried in 300 newspapers. I was a columnist for the Washington Times and for newspapers in France and Italy and for a magazine in Germany. I was a contributor to the New York Times and a regular feature in the Los Angeles Times. Today I cannot publish in, or appear on, the American “mainstream media.”

For the last six years I have been banned from the “mainstream media.” My last column in the New York Times appeared in January, 2004, coauthored with Democratic U.S. Senator Charles Schumer representing New York. We addressed the offshoring of U.S. jobs. Our op-ed article produced a conference at the Brookings Institution in Washington, D.C. and live coverage by C-Span. A debate was launched. No such thing could happen today.

For years I was a mainstay at the Washington Times, producing credibility for the Moony newspaper as a Business Week columnist, former Wall Street Journal editor, and former Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury. But when I began criticizing Bush’s wars of aggression, the order came down to Mary Lou Forbes to cancel my column.

The American corporate media does not serve the truth.  It serves the government and the interest groups that empower the government.

America’s fate was sealed when the public and the anti-war movement bought the government’s 9/11 conspiracy theory. The government’s account of 9/11 is contradicted by much evidence. Nevertheless, this defining event of our time, which has launched the US on interminable wars of aggression and a domestic police state, is a taboo topic for investigation in the media. It is pointless to complain of war and a police state when one accepts the premise upon which they are based.

These trillion dollar wars have created financing problems for Washington’s deficits and threaten the U.S. dollar’s role as world reserve currency. The wars and the pressure that the budget deficits put on the dollar’s value have put Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block. Former Goldman Sachs chairman and U.S. Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson is after these protections for the elderly. Fed chairman Bernanke is also after them. The Republicans are after them as well. These protections are called “entitlements” as if they are some sort of welfare that people have not paid for in payroll taxes all their working lives.

With over 21 per cent unemployment as measured by the methodology of 1980, with American jobs, GDP, and technology having been given to China and India, with war being Washington’s greatest commitment, with the dollar over-burdened with debt, with civil liberty sacrificed to the “war on terror,” the liberty and prosperity of the American people have been thrown into the trash bin of history.

The militarism of the U.S. and Israeli states, and Wall Street and corporate greed, will now run their course. As the pen is censored and its might extinguished, I am signing off.

Paul Craig Roberts was an editor of the Wall Street Journal and an Assistant Secretary of the U.S. Treasury.  His latest book, HOW THE ECONOMY WAS LOST, has just been published by CounterPunch/AK Press. He can be reached at:

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:44 | 278375 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Thanks "Geo"....and thanks to PCR. You guys rock, and we need you.
-GHWB aka Poppy Bush, aka Magog, threw the '92 election (yes he did!!! it was the "economy", and they ran it into the ground on purpose!) so a Fem Dem would be elected and ram NAFTA through. That is how important the New World Order is to them. This was a very old plan, from the Revolutionary War (the destruction of America), and the Brit 'ish used spies (Herberts and Walkers and Pierces, Forbeses and Roosevelts and Rockefellers and Morgans) to get the job done.
-"These trillion dollar wars have created financing problems for Washington’s deficits and threaten the U.S. dollar’s role as world reserve currency."....The doelarr is so done.
-And so is PCR? What are we going to do without him? This is bad........

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:11 | 278479 hungrydweller
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Reagan is the one who ran the economy into the ground.  By agreeing in principle with the Dumbocrats in conrtol of congress to ratchet up the debt so he could bankrupt the USSR he sealed our economic doom.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:23 | 278493 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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I was merely pointing out that GHWB threw the '92 election. Yes, I agree, R.R. was a crock, crook, what have you. Nixon closing the gold window, and instituting the TRUE FIAT standard was crushing. Carter increased military spending over Nixon, and dude was an idiot, still is. Dubya put on the finishing touches....or wait, was that Barry that put the star on the tree? Well, pretty much they were all worthless.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 01:57 | 278529 Howard_Beale
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Carter was not a good politician because he didn't know how to play the game, but by no means an idiot. He got stuck in the second oil crisis, the Iranian hostage nightmare, and the Cold War wasn't over--with your name I would think you might remember that.

There is a distinct difference between politican and person and it disturbs me that you think that all the work he has done since his Presidency is worthless. Habitat for Humanity is a noble cause that has helped more than can be counted, amongst his other philanthropic endeavors. Nixon was a scumbag.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:14 | 278625 Johnny Dangereaux
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Carter was a creation of Brzyzinski. Just like Oscama....packaged for the gum-chewing public.

H4H is propaganda for the Nasty building-products industry.

"[Vinyl] is absolutely the material of choice of most Habitat for Humanity affiliates in the U.S.," said HFHI Founder and President Millard Fuller. Habitat affiliates across the country choose vinyl products because they are cost-effective, durable and easy for volunteer workers to install."

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:16 | 278662 Howard_Beale
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Oh Snap!--using a better product that is donated is a mighty criminal act. And all of the recycled materials they use? ? Let's not be so cynical.

From your link--"Habitat affiliates across the country choose vinyl products because they are cost-effective, durable and easy for volunteer workers to install."

Vinyl windows are the best. Exteriors are better in many regions because they don't need upkeep. PVC pipe is much cheaper. What's wrong with that?

I know people that have built H4H houses and it's a bunch of volunteers and good people.

You going after Doctors without Borders and the Salvation Army next?

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:49 | 278693 Johnny Dangereaux
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"Chlorine is one of the most commonly manufactured chemicals in the United States. In gas form, chlorine is poisonous and was actually used during World War I as a choking agent, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

Vinyl=Poison   Poison is THE BEST!! I Love Poison! Yummy!

Tell me, what product is Medecins Sans Frontieres pushing? If it turns out they are financed by the vaccination industry AND distribute unsafe products or use people as guinea pigs, I would go after them too.

I think Monsanto claimed Dioxin was safe ! Yep, just trust those guys running that stinky filthy plant!

"This message(chlorine is a danger) is of utmost importance to the general public, because chlorine will one day, in the near future, be exposed as a major cause and contributor to cancer and degenerative disease. Chlorine will also be found to be responsible for damaging the body’s immune and hormonal systems by mutating the food-based plant estrogens and phytochemicals that support those systems.  A healthy immune system should be your first and best line of defense against disease"

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 12:35 | 278730 dark pools of soros
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i can attest...yesterday i was doing some spring cleaning and opened the pool chlorine tabs bucket while i was right above it....  fucking nasty shit!!!!

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 16:14 | 278877 WaterWings
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Pour some muriatic acid right into those dark pools and see how they like it in the deep end.



LOL! Bioguard pool cleaning Google ads.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 17:14 | 278949 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Hulk made me realize that vids take up valuable space, and as I see 9/11 as the utmost important issue, I will not post the video where Jimmy says arming the Mujahideen was pertinent to beating up those darned ruskies (WeAreCHANGE confronts Jimmy Carter).  The CIA funded the Russians you takes two to tango!  Oh, and Jimmy was flipping idiotic.

Mon, 03/29/2010 - 11:13 | 279649 Absinthe Minded
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Who the hell is junking all these posts?!?!?! It seems we have some instigating, liberal pussies infiltrating our site! It's time to junk them into oblivion if they can't handle the opinions of other intellects. We don't mind a good old fashioned debate, but save your junking for spammers and scammers.

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:50 | 278377 Hulk
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Been reading PCR for years. One less source for the truth but who can blame him.Its 100  percent fraud and corruption 100 percent of the time. Collapse is inevitable, perhaps on the other side we can put this thing together correctly, perhaps not.Get prepared...

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 23:03 | 278411 swamp
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Thanks geopol — James Sinclair, who was on the short list to be Secretary of Treasury under Nixon, appropriately scribed yesterday, "When the Devils are in charge, virtue become a crime."

Liberty is a total cave-in. My search for a new country of residence intensified as of yesterday.

And as for this: I worked as an investigator conducting criminal investigations (investigated more than 80 homicides and attempted homicides) and sat through a few trials, I can say with certainty having worked on thousands of major crime cases the following is true: "Truth is an inconvenience for prosecutors who want convictions, not the discovery of innocence or guilt."

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 23:46 | 278449 Hulk
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I would like to see those prosecuters who knowingly place innocents behind bars hung from their neck until dead....

I'd like to kick em in the balls too, while they are hanging...

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 01:18 | 278516 chumbawamba
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I'd like to see them decapitated on an "jihadist" video.

That would be fitting.  And satisfying.

I am Chumbawamba.

Mon, 03/29/2010 - 09:09 | 279527 MsCreant
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Reality T.V. Show pitch?

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 01:19 | 278517 swamp
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You'd be busy for a long time, they're a plenty. "Mean Justice" is an excellent example, although unusual in magnitude.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 01:21 | 278518 swamp
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You'd be busy for a long time, they're a plenty. "Mean Justice" is an excellent example, although unusual in magnitude.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:26 | 278675 Crime of the Century
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There are thousands and thousands of Nifong's out there...

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 16:03 | 278879 WaterWings
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Your foot would get wet but I second that motion.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:04 | 278430 velobabe
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god i wish i had more hours in my life to read ZH posters

oh shit i am getting dizzy†

i have just become aware of the new world order airport. NWOa

guess what i am thinkin it is probably true.

DIA conspriracy.

SUGAR SUGAR (chorus) sugar you are just too sweet for me

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 00:27 | 278496 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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As long as you aren't drinking HFCS you will be fine, but remember, brush your teeth! Oh, and not with fluoride paste.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:05 | 278622 velobabe
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no, i only use agave nectar

100% pure sweetener†

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:28 | 278678 Crime of the Century
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i only use agave nectar

Patron and Herradura among the good ones...

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:21 | 278671 cbaba
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Thanks a lot LH, i didnt know this, i stopped using corn syrup a month ago just because i prefer cane sugar taste but i had some allergies for a long time and i feel better since i stopped may be it was because of mercury in corn syrup.


Sun, 03/28/2010 - 16:05 | 278880 WaterWings
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They've got commercials now "sponsored by the Corn Refiners Association" trying to fight back the wave of people saying, "Oh, I don't eat/drink that anymore. High fructose corn syrup is bad for you."

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 17:20 | 278951 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Buy what we tell you to buy, and sleep when we tell you to sleep.  Nothing to read about HFCS, back to 'Mercan Idull....oh and nice top.

I would love to work for SNL right now...."What have you heard about it?"  [pause]  "That it has Mercury in it!"  Women gives 'shit in the pants' look and runs around frantically pouring out all of the drinks.

Mon, 03/29/2010 - 01:10 | 279401 texpat
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Stopping using HFCS is a move you will NOT regret.

I've lost shitloads of weight, and feel a LOT healthier. HFCS jacks up your liver and gives you diabetes. That's the long and short of it.

Once you've quit HFCS, eat more veg and cook more, maybe start making your own bread... It's a great way to get more in touch with the good stuff.

Mon, 03/29/2010 - 13:54 | 279817 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Yes!  Also, if you like HFCS but now realize you can not drink it, and this makes you sad, drink juice!  Eat honey!  Nature's HFCS......

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 14:50 | 278816 A Nanny Moose
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too late. its in the water

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 09:46 | 278619 three chord sloth
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Sigh. That was such a good screed up until he dropped the 911 conspiracy rat poison is the punch bowl. 911 conspiracies only serve one purpose -- to undermine everything else you say. Sorry, but the evidence is that the government's "story" is true, the conspiracy buffs have nothing of substance.

The science of the collapse makes perfect sense... no need for hundreds of invisible ninjas wiring invisible charges to bring down any building.

The politics of the conspiracy make no sense. An actual conspiracy would point the blame at Iran or Iraq directly, not to third rate political nobodies like the Taliban and al Qaeda, and certainly wouldn't make the only legitimate avenue of counter-attack be in the middle of Bumfuck, Nowhere, Afghanistan. And, of course, if the point of the conspiracy was to increase America's involvement in the Middle East and the oil business, it would help if the blame could be laid at the feet of someone in either the actual Middle East and/or someone with oil.

And that doesn't even take into account the choice of target. There are a thousand better choices than the Twin Towers... targets that wouldn't cost the economy a trillion dollars and would anger the populace far more than an attack on already unpopular financial/broker types.

So keep that in mind. Those 911 conspiracy beliefs only serve to discredit you, and they don't pass the science or political tests... nor do they pass Occam's Razor.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:35 | 278627 velobabe
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your heavy

geez, this page is heavy

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:33 | 278637 Hansel
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I react to people like you the way you react to "truthers".  Anyone who thinks a buildng can collapse in freefall straight down onto its base without help has no education in physics.  They are too stupid to argue with.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:06 | 278654 Rollerball
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Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:24 | 278674 perchprism
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Really, it's mechanics more than physics, and what happens to Euler's Limit when the steel support beams are liquified from flaming jet fuel, with 20+ storeys of weight bearing on them?



Sun, 03/28/2010 - 12:05 | 278704 strike for retu...
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Audio of firefighters in the minutes before the first collapse.  Note the title "Let me know when you see fire".  The fires were almost extinguished.  The temperatures were low enough for firemen to be doing their jobs.

BTW, the melting temperature of steel is much higher than the burning temperature of jet fuel.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 13:58 | 278791 perchprism
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They flew jetliners filled with fuel into the Tradecenter Towers.  I watched it happen on TV, along with everybody else.  The goddamned towers collapsed.  They weren't blown out with CIA plastique.  Anybody who thinks so is a brainless tumor.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 16:10 | 278886 WaterWings
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I want to know why we don't have more fuck-ups in jail for gross criminal negligence. The investigation is incomplete - and they don't want to address valid questions. The whole thing has a bad smell once you look at photos, videos, etc that they left out completely.

Wrapped up the damn investigation, printed a bunch of "official" books, and now it's all kooky, laughable magic bullet theory?

The investigation is not complete.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 23:59 | 279347 delacroix
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the second plane was not a commercial passenger plane, wrong color, and had no windows it was blue and grey

Mon, 03/29/2010 - 05:26 | 279473 delacroix
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perch, dig into it a little. at first I dismissed it as rediculous, but information, that was undeniable, caused me to doubt, as time went on, I came to my own conclusion. watch the videos on youtube, or even better take a look at the pentagon event. the story just doesn't align, with the facts. I've believed in the patriotism of our leadership most of my life. not anymore

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 12:38 | 278732 dark pools of soros
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flaming jet fuel...  yeah that is like hot as the sun, ididinit???

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 13:29 | 278777 Vendetta
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I wish I had known.  Had I only used jet fuel in the 2 blast furnaces I built instead of a mix of propane and blown air I could have saved my silicon carbide crucible from destruction when the propane ran out after 3 hours of running full bore (real nice roaring sound) and the iron I was trying to melt in it was only softened.  My Omega pyrometer was pegged at its limit of 2450 F most of the casting run.  Stupid me.

Mon, 03/29/2010 - 05:09 | 279466 delacroix
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jet fuel is pretty much, kerosene, less combustible than gasoline.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 10:42 | 278639 boiow
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you probably need to do some research on the subject.

 people that don't know that 911 was a staged event lose all (or at least some) credibility for anything else they say.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:30 | 278681 three chord sloth
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Later, taters.

If you wanna stay in your fantasy world it's no skin off my nose. Keep on pretending that you're the wise ones, that you see the hidden strings that move the world. Just don't be surprised that no one takes you seriously. On anything.

The science is all on my side. The geopolitics are all on my side. The way the world actually works is on my side. The history and agenda of al Qaeda is on my side.

On your side is an impossibly big conspiracy of silence, an understanding of physics that any high schooler can debunk, a plot that makes no sense geopolitically, and, after all of the diabolically clever planning of the biggest false flag op ever, a poorly chosen target that guarantees limited long-term domestic and international support.

But oooh... you've got it all figured out.


Wed, 04/07/2010 - 00:59 | 278968 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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On your side?  What the hell?  Sides huh?  Fuckin Hegel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do you know the name Zbigniew Brzezinski?  Do you know who his father was?  Karl Rove?  Do you know who his Grandfather was?  Do you know where George Bush gets the names Herbert and Walker?  Do you know Barbara Pierce Bush's direct relative was the 14th President said Pierce?  Do you know the Pierces were founders of the Massachusetts Bay colony?  The same colony that massacred the natives the day after Thanksgiving!  A day we celebrate!  Do you know the Pierces are related to the Forbses?  Do you know that all said Bushes were members of Scull and Bones?  So was John Forbes Kerry!  Do you know Scull and Bones was funded on money from the Chinese Opium Trade?  The same trade that the Delanos and Forbses made their fortunes!  Do you know the Civil War bonds were sold by the House of Delano and the House of Morgan?  This while the Rockefellers sold the arms!  Standard Oil during WWII????  Prescott Bush?  The Harrimans?  Brown Brothers Bank?  Fritz Thysenn?  The "Trading with the Enemies Act"?  I mean, dude, you get on here, site meaningless rhetoric, and expect to have a side.  BTW, you are siding with the enemy....

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 11:42 | 278691 cbaba
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I am a civil/structural engineer, i cannot explain how it can collapse on exactly same spot, there is no way, no chance, it has to get a slight angle and fall on one side leaving some floors intact. This is a clear controlled collapse.

Besides guess who benefited  from this ?

we went to iraq, and the only connection between iraq and alqaeda is the letter Q. There was no iraqi terrorists most of them were saudi citizens, and why didnt we attack saudi arabia ? why didnt we ask compensation for losses from saudi arabia ? well you cannot see a question in the media you have to ask yourself why we went to iraq, the answer is simple, we went there for oil, need oil for future growth and we created a war scenario.

We dont ask anything from saudia is because we control the oil there too, we protect the king, pump the oil get 50%.



Sun, 03/28/2010 - 12:41 | 278734 dark pools of soros
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almost - we didn't go for oil.. we went to switch back oil for dollars, not euro

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 13:34 | 278782 Vendetta
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Orrrr ... we went there to assure the US has a supply of oil to tide us over during the transition to a new currency when the dollar collapses.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 17:51 | 278970 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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+1.5 quadrillion

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 21:54 | 279225 dark pools of soros
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this was 7 years ago..  it was to keep the dollar & debt humming..  we get most of our oil form Chavez anyway.  But you can pin anything to the eventual destruction of the dollar that you feel comfortable with.  

Mon, 03/29/2010 - 05:18 | 279469 delacroix
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susan glaspie suckered saddam, on kuwait. he put out feelers, before going in, and got the green light. the reason, kuwait had drilled horizontal wells, on the border, and were sucking crude out of iraq's fields. saddam, just got too wealthy, and successful, he made himself a target, too tempting to resist. after all, this isn't politics, it's organized crime

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 16:13 | 278888 WaterWings
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Exactly - the cui bono? part is on any informed Americans mind, and the ridicule and stern warnings for asking questions makes me even more interested.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 21:49 | 279219 Altan311
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If I ever met you in real life and said that to me I would slap you first, your mother shortly thereafter.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 13:42 | 278785 pan-the-ist
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He will be missed.

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:11 | 278359 rapier
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I thought the whole breathless story of the 'whistle blower' revealing manipulation in the silver pits was a wonderful 'you mean there is gambling at Rick's' story.  Everybody knows any centrally traded  asset or piece of paper gets pushed around from time to time by large and or inside traders.  Nobody cares.  Yawn. 

Not directly related but I recall back in the day GATA was saying if gold went over $300 that JPM would collapse.

Sun, 03/28/2010 - 01:16 | 278515 tmosley
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They did.  They had to get bailed out by Gordon Brown's looting of the English Treasury of all of its gold.  If that had not happened, many banks would have collapsed, and gold and silver would be priced appropriately today (hell, our economy might even still be functioning!).

Sat, 03/27/2010 - 21:49 | 278360 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Well, he is fucking with the Rothschildes' money....and the Rothschildes don't like their money to be fucked with!!!
Best wishes to Maguire, we need you buddy.

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