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You Don't Mess With The LBMA - Assassination Attempt On Silver Market Manipulation Whistleblower?
The latest development in Silvergate, in which whistleblower Andrew Maguire has exposed the manipulation details in the London commodity market, is straight out of a John Le Carre or Ian Flemming novel: an assassination attempt. From GATA:
London metals trader Andrew Maguire, who warned an investigator for the
U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission in advance about a gold and
silver market manipulation to be undertaken by traders for JPMorgan
Chase in February and whose whistleblowing was publicized by GATA at
Thursday's CFTC hearing on metals futures trading was injured along with his wife the next day when their car was struck by a hit-and-run driver in the London area.
According to GATA's contact with Maguire, board member Adrian
Douglas, Maguire and his wife were admitted to a hospital overnight and
released today and are expected to recover fully.
Maguire told Douglas by telephone today that his car was struck by a
car careening out of a side road. When a pedestrian who witnessed the
crash tried to block the other driver's escape, the other driver
accelerated at the pedestrian, causing him to jump out of the way to
avoid being hit. The other driver's car then struck two other cars in
escaping. But the other driver was caught by police after a chase in
which police helicopters were summoned.
We'll convey more information about the incident as it becomes available.
We are in process of corroborating this story with independent sources. It will be interesting to see what information the escapee driver discloses and whether this was just a case of a little extra fish and chips and extra, extra beer. In the meantime, the battle against the big banks and the LBMA might have just gotten a little more personal.
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Should it turn out that this is a hit on him, this guy is now going through a scary and dark time. I hope he gets himself and his family out of the UK and gets them all to a place where he can at least defend them.
absolutely. not a pleasant position to be in. good job people are aware of the situation as that is there best protection.
Rothschild pulled out of the PM market several years ago.
.. yes, after 120 years in the business .. and just before the tungsten bars were discovered.
Tungsten, bingo! Also, not to be condescending but 120 is quite the conservative estimate. The Battle of Waterloo was Nathanial Rothschildes coup de grase, 1815. However, Amschel Meyer got going way before that, and he did fund Kings as well.
No doubt you're right about that. To be more specific, I was referring to the London Fix only.
They were forced out as a condition of their bailout. The Brit govenment backed up their shorts with it's own gold, in what is perhaps the highest act of treason the world has seen since the Rosenburgs.
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And conveniently coinciding with the launch of GLD...
Rothschilde (Redshield) almost pulled out completely in the public eye. However, the Rothschildes still own Barclays, and Barclays runs gold through the LBMA, and owns 90% of the worlds known silver reserves in ishares silver trust (SLV). How did they get all that silver? Their pawn Buffet (what a name!) bought it off of the comex, turned and sold it directly to Barclays.
Also, ask yourself, did they really walk away? Or did they say they did, so as to hide their actions and benefits? Do you know how many Rothschildes there are? There are thouands of them across the world. They multiplied like locusts right after the five brothers learned about "Darwinism"...too bad for them they thought it would be best to keep the blood in. IMO I think the fact that the Rothschildes are inbred has been one of our most serious problems. Now maybe it will finally be to our benefit (stand up people!) Read Nigel Ferguson's book "House of Rotheschilde"...there are two volumes.
DO NOT LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN! When you have been running ALL money for centuries and centuries and centuries, you don't just walk away.
PS, nice avatar...
http://www.lbma.org.uk/assocn/membrshp
Dude! Chill out with a nice bottle of Chateau Mouton Rothschild, and consider, I only pointed out that the Rothschilds were forced out of the PM market due to some unstated improprieties a few years ago.
hahaha! cool, nah Im chill...I mean, I've been like this for a while now. anyway, care to share the "unstated improprieties" with everyone?? I was not aware they had an "excuse".
And who is bigger than the Rothchilds to run them out? No one. It had to be a staged event if that is the reported version.
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/slavery.htm
a rothschild/rockefeller secretary, reported that her boss was illegally removing gold from fort knox, just days before she fell to her death, from a highrise balcony
protip: cite sources
I know an attorney who was disbarred and imprisoned for 6 years after publicly revealing the drug running and money laundering in South America done by Barclays. They got him on some fraud wire transfer B.S.
When this sort of shit starts happening you need to just go apeshit. You would have nothing to lose at that point. Your enemy's domain should become a free fire zone.
It's time to stop pretending things are normal.
I am Chumbawamba.
"It's time to stop pretending things are normal."
There it is, simply stated, instructions on how we either escape from the Matrix or imprison ourselves forever. This is voluntary folks. No one is forcing us to participate in the insanity. As much as we complain and bitch about the injustice, we all hope it will end without damage to ourselves.
Sure, we might have egalitarian motives but it all comes down to our own safety, our own well being, our own ass. So we over emphasize the potential danger to ourselves so we have no choice but not to act or we pretend things are normal, thus removing any reason to act.
We pretend that it isn't that bad, that it could be much worse, that there's too much to lose if we actually act as if the house is on fire and we're in terrible danger. Someone else needs to do something first and then maybe I'll possibly think about participating.....maybe. After I talk it over with the wife, husband, brother, priest, dad, friend, whatever.
This is all voluntary folks, it's all voluntary. Don't point fingers at your jailer when the door is unlocked and you can leave at any time. I can understand being frightened, worried for your safety, concerned for your family. But please, let's not dress this situation up as too difficult to handle. The door is unlocked. You don't want to step through? Fine. But don't bullshit me with some story about how some outside force is stopping you.
+1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-lsz-Bg72k
M has balls. First he accepts the Illuminati name "M"arshal "M"athers, then he talks them down. I am surprised he is still alive to be honest.
" i dont rap for dead president$/ i'd rather see the president dead/ its never been said/,... but i set precedents!!!/ Shady-Records/ was 80 seconds, away from the towers/ them cowards fucked with the wrong building,.. they meant to hit ours. "/ - em
Immortal Technique Ft. Mos Def & Eminem - Bin Laden - HD:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vow7sD1LcbY&feature=related
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cute ;)
Many are clones. Solves the "breeding" issues.
They not only own just Barclays bank, they established Bank of England and FED, and control/own all other big banks like JP morgan,Citibank, B of A , UBS, Deutshe bank, and ofcurse the main ship is the God'sman Sachs.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12751826/Rothschild-Banking-Diagramm
Agreed under duress to pull out , they were booted out .
It sounds arbitary, but by all means let us know if more comes from this, I hate drunk drivers without insurance, licence, running from the law etc....beee careful lest yee loose creditability, its a hard thing to recapture.
license
sorry i am a teacher
"Licence" is the British form.
Then use some punctuation and capitalization.
Licence is the noun form, license is the infinitive verb form. If you need something to help you remember the rule, think of advice and advise (unless you're writing in US English, in which case you can use license as a noun too).
Don't feel sorry for yourself - go and do something for which you are better qualified!
pretty clumsy if it was an attempt. Probably just a coincidence. Now if he dies a mysterious death while in custody, game's afoot.
could make maguire run to less safety, where he could disappear, presumably by his own decision
It's hard to "assasinate" somebody with a car when they're in a car, too unless the conditions are just right. It's probably a coincidence but I don't like coincidences...
Um, why couldn't it just be a message? A horse head in your bed, or a dead fish in the mail probably won't kill you either...
Btw, I love you guys, great thing you have, exposing the TRUTH.
We must all be a bunch of truthers. I guess it is better than being liars:-)
What is truly sad is that the truth is considered the fringe now but it cannot stay there forever.
Everyday I'm more impressed at the comments and vision of Chumbawamba.
Yesterday afternoon Chumba wrote:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/whistleblower-exposes-jp-morgans-silver...
"Actually, I don't think we'll be hearing from Andy anymore :(
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Jeane_Palfrey
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Connell
I am Chumbawamba."
Wow! Incredible call Chumbawamba!
I knew Chumbawamba was a mole, just flushing out all the hardcore gold bugs!
Not really. It's so obvious as to be silly.
I am Chumbawamba.
indeed. The traders' safety was the first thought that crossed my mind when I first read the story when it was put on the 'tubes'. Thanks for letting everyone know my thoughts for me, you have far more credibility here than V :)
I remember. Chumbawamba called it out. We may not hear anything from Mr.Maguire again.
Umm, anybody know where Chumbawamba is??
Just kidding. It's like ghost stories around a campfire . . . scary, but irresistable.
Yeah, uh, Chumba, check in with us!
Oh, look, our marshmellows are ready! Mmm, mmm, mmm!
Now where were we? Oh, back to the ghost stories...
i have been askin about chumbWHABA since the dude flew the plane into the IRS building in austin Texas
i waz thinkin it was chumbawaba, but i have since collected my thoughts that he is a precious metals collector in southern california
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-FldpeZmlc
Must be tough to kill someone in a city where no one has a gun, not even the cops, and all the cars weigh 300 pounds.
if he was killed with a gun there would have to be a police investigation. most cars weigh between 1 and 2 tons way more than the average american ( 300 pounds).
Maybe it's time to leave??
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TAKE YOUR PM'S WITH YOU and claim Machine Parts...
We discuss this at work continually. I work with a Brit expat (nuclear power plant designer, tells me he left, early 80's, after 7 years of rain and cold ). He's bugging out in Feb,2011. Says he feels bad about running away from the situation, feels cowardly. I told him thats a load of nonsense and his is a perfectly good solution provided he doesn't jump from the pan into the fire, which is my fear. "We" have decided to stay and fight if necessary,but we are well equipped and situated to do so. Will go over your links though, I was not aware of the vast amount of information available on the subject. Thanks
Einstein was 'cowardly' and fled Germany, tell your coworker to read about him.
Vendetta,,In what form?
You would pave your own way to Auschwitz willingly? Let history record your bravery and ultimate contribution to resistance..
geopol:
The Einstein comment was "exterme sarcasm." Not like you to miss a joke. You are tense ZH friend.
oh geo you need to quit.
am thinking maybe get laid, is that correct english.
Will have to go to France for that VeloBabe!
la plus belle fille du monde ne peut donner que ce qu’elle a
Geo is pretty mobile....it will be like searching for bigfoot. France, Italy, Russia, America, who knows where he is......good luck velobabe!
well quite frankly i don't know what to say at this point†
except refrigerators have succeeded
geo pol weirdness
geo needs to ge a grip and a sense of humour
Could not agree more and thanks for the links! About a year ago I would have never considered leaving...now only my mom pleading with me to finish grad school is keeping me here. May 2011 free to go.
Wonder if we will have an American diaspora as things get worse and worse...
For those wealthy enough , we will. The coming tax increases alone are going to send many packing..
Done purposefully? Or else the bureaucrats are dumber than I can conceptualize.
I have been wondering if those "in charge" are plain stupid, or evil for some time now.
The top is extremely intelligent and evil. All sociopaths are. We call them evil because they are not hindered by any social norms or barriers. Underestimate these people at your own peril. Many laws and policies are disguised as stupidity and implemented foolishly or stupidly in order to disarm the intended victim and slip in the back door stealthy like. Those underneath are selected for loyalty and stupidity, or at least the desire to step in front of moving trucks when ordered to do so.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley
And they put it right in front of you:
http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1948
"This ain't no alien conspiracy theory/This shit is REAL/Written on the dollar underneath the MASONIC SEAL." -Immortal Technique
Don't try to wrap your mind around it unless you enjoy snapping your neurons.
Bix Weir's road to roota series made me feel warm and fuzzy about it for awhile like there are some good guys out there but then that feeling wore off. Bummer. I have to hide in my music when not buried in work to maintain sanity. "We stab it with our steely knives but we cannot kill the beast"
Shameful,,
There will / is a financial IRON CURTAIN in Amerika at present. Next will be a physical Berlin Wall...or SPP North American Union...Amero currency...
http://www.spp.gov/
http://escapeartist.com/ imho is one of the best
expat sites though it's been "watched" iykwim.
Yes, but where to go... where to go..
Sure beats a cuppa 210.
Would you like steamed milk on your plutonium, sir?
I wondered when Murphy mentioned his name, if Andrew had wanted to be outed this way. Perhaps he should have read Harry MArkopolis' book first and taken the same precautions. HArry's military training was an asset...unless it was a story told to sell books.
But I believe Harry was telling it like it was.
Crazy sh stuff!
The real is stranger than fiction
Last year's film "The International" should replace "Fight Club" as the Official ZH Movie.
Good flick. Scary too.
A lot of people didn't like the film because the bad guys didn't lose and are still out there. Sort of like life, isn't it?
I'm convinced that the movie industry has operatives inside that deliberately push out various pieces of propaganda to influence the masses. The International was designed to rub our faces in our own impotence, to demoralize the masses.
I could write a book on this subject but it would never be well received. Who wants to read about how powerless they are and how they enable themselves to be enslaved. People rather dream of the fantasy where the occasional indentured servant escapes to the tropical island. Keeps people getting out of bed in the morning and off to the machine. Our lot in life. Pitiful.
One willing hamster running on the wheel until they no longer can, only to be replaced by a fresh one... Gotta love the concept of productivity as envisioned and applied.
Keeps people getting out of bed in the morning and off to the machine. Our lot in life. Pitiful.
It is pitiful and the government has become a great burden on our shoulders, ruining our families and family life.
I will soon be getting off this treadmill and converting to the simple life, leaving behind the madness of so called civilized living....
A humble man once replied thoughtfully:
The hit man is disposable too. I'm kinda surprised the police sent helicopters and caught the culprit, who will probably be suicided in jail by hanging. (Assuming it was a hit.)
This is related to the death of Abu Dabai's financial guru how?
The market will speak to us Sunday night when Asia opens.
Wonder if any of this is going to matter to the price of gold and silver?
We'll find out soon enough.
Could be a huge scandal, could turn out to be nothing.
Gold $5000
Silver $100
damn robo your breasts just fascinates me. are they real?
I think Robo is shy velobabe, thats why he spends all his time looking at charts!
You talkin' to me???
Holy moley. That was a screen filler! Whoa.
I sit corrected...
A thread is never complete until a robo babe shows her...er..face.
a big chicago boo-yah to you allesandra!
Hard to get past this one ... took me 1 minute to scroll past, but not a second of regret
oooooo garter....
I refuse to believe someone f's that
Then refuse to believe that someone is tired of that shit!
whoa!!! You can manipulate me anytime!!!;-)
My guess is the markets won't care. Guy would be found crucified in his home with a 1hg bar shoved in his ass and would not matter (would be ruled suicide anyway). The game plays on till it doesn't and I expect it to play on till there is a convenient excuse to stop the music.
hahaha! you may be correct, for now....
Jon nadler is that you? (robotrader)
The guy running the Abu Dhabi Investment Authorityhas gone down missing after a glider incident. If things happen in 3's then who's next and how.
If you want to read an interesting little tid bit about the GLD fund extrapolated to a spacially demented level, then be my guest:
http://funy1.blogspot.com/2010/03/justice-is-just-dice-to-rico-racket.html
The enemy is spooked by the resistance - its desperate measures are beginning to show its hand........ who will challenge its monopoly of violence?
We've moved from price suppression to people suppression. Mr. Maguire you are in my prayers; may God keep you & your family safe from harm.
Let me talk to him. I just need to rummage through my stuff and find the soldering iron ...
The pieces by ZH do not show up on a Google News search 'Andrew Maguire', even when including the words Zero Hedge. No MSM news source is carrying the story, not even Clusterstock who I mailed the link to twice.
The CIA has you blocked Tyler, I take my hat of to you, a very brave man/group of people.
Whistleblower to CFTC in JPM Silver Manipulation Struck by Hit and Run Car In London
tip o' the cap to uncle jesse. agree with him: coincidence or not, we're certainly down the rabbit hole at this point.
mmm, yeah it does. It's the first link returned by Google on my machine here in the US - are you in China? Maybe at a large IB? Sounds like someone is blocking you, rather than the site...
I am so glad I have been buying PMs and lead delivery systems lately.
If this sh!t about suppressing gold and/or silver is true, then things are really going to hit the fan bad.
I too wish the Maguires all the best. Whistleblowers do not seem to be on a roll lately (bad things happen to them rather than the good that should).
Regarding the brother of the Abu Dhabi sheikh, that is curious too.
As Robo above said, we may get an idea of how much this matters Sunday night (USA) when Asia is up & running.
I'm shocked SHOCKED I tell you SHOCKED.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Connell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deborah_Palfrey
I rest my case. This isn't even mysterious anymore. Do they want us to know that if we speak out we'll be suicided or accidented?
I'm buying more slugs for Mr. Mossberg tomorrow.
I am Chumbawamba.
Glad to hear from you.
We were speculating that you might have flown your plane into an IRS building somewhere!
yes, you are.
I actually posted your comments from yesterday.
When I read this post I couldnt beleive it. My whole spine and hairs shivered. I was so fucking shocked that my gf asked what was wrong. I had to explain.
I hope this fucking scam is brought to light and people find out. The problem is that everyone is watching LOST and dont give a rat's ass. Sheeple are LOSTER than LOST.
Like we say in spanish: "Que Dios nos coja confesados"!!!
Relieved you are still among us Chumba.
I guess after buying Pt and Au today, that I may follow your example and buy some more rounds for my recently acquired Mr. 9mm Beretta and Mr. Kalashnikov 7.62x39.
I shall follow your example and acquire more weapons ;)
I am Chumbawamba.
You be the Chumbawamba!
This coming week a similarly inclined friend of mine are going to practice marksmanship of our mutual firearms.
I am so glad that I have phyiscal gold in Peru, very well hidden!
Diversification is an answer to our anxieties. This guy (me, and hence our daughter, and maybe grandchildren later on) will give Au, Pt, Ag and Pd to her, or better yet her children.
ZH-ers! I have little trust in our USA authorities! Buy gold (silver, platinum, whatever) ASAP if you are under 1% of your net assets!!! You will likely sleep better at night.
+1
Get serious about it:
http://www.ssrsi.org/Onsite/cacheguns.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1735279/posts
My Favorite:
http://www.barrett.net/firearms/model82a1
in use photo
http://www.barrettrifles.com/Store/catalog/Model-82A1M107-Accessories,60.htm
Note that windcaller and Leupold spotting scope not included
Google results... fwiw...
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Andrew+Maguire&aq=f&aqi=g-s1g-sx1g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=Andrew+Maguire+car+accident&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
Maybe its because I'm in Thailand, but when I use the same search I get only 1 or 2 of these results.
Hmmm
google is our friend
Right. That's why they've saved every search you have ever done. One day they will be forced to hand that data over to the CIA and you won't feel the same way. They should never have been saving our searches in the first place. And they have them All!
One day?
sorry i should have said scroogle ssl is our friend
Maguires was secretly thrashing his car he saw the car coming out behind the dumpsters in the ally.. and positioned himself,, a case of insurance fraud,,
disquised under the motive of horsehead in bed motiff,,
check to see if claim is paid lol
Whistleblowing can be extremely lucrative, especially if government funds are involved:
Under current law, a qui tam relator files suit against the alleged perpetrator of government fraud. The filing is sealed for sixty days, until the Department of Justice (DOJ) determines whether or not it will take on the lawsuit. If the DOJ decides that it will assume the case, the whistleblower is eligible for 15 to 25 percent of the government’s total award for the case; the exact amount depends on the whistleblower’s contribution to the success ofthe suit. If the Justice Department declines to take on the suit, the relator is free to pursue it on his or her own. In this case, the relator is eligible for 25 to 30 percent of the total award.
I believe the award is supposed to be the full amount of government money fraudulantly obtained.
Hmmmm, let's see: 30% of, say, $1.5 Trillion.
Damn.
If you live to see the payday
Too bad it's just hypothetical--I'd take them odds. Hell, even a billion would be worthwhile. Or a meager 100 million . . . 10 million . . .
And doing the right thing: priceless.
It was a hit gone bad luckily for Andrew. Hopefully he will be smarter now about driving around England a day after he exposes the center of the biggest manipulation in the history of the world! WW3 is an economic war fought with money and the center of the war is gold and silver. Wake up sheeple!!
No major news outlets are reporting this story. I've emailed drudgereport.
Probably because they drive on the wrong side of the street
i wonder how many people realize just how big this situation is. What i mean is, the gold and silver situation and the entities and powers that move it. During my many, truly many years of research the forces are far above me and probably you and a vast majority of people (and all sheeple of course). This is no game like all those stocks or paper assets.
One day many may wake up and find the FIAT currency fraud has reached the inevitable conclusion. Keep in mind the USA is on their THIRD central banking scheme. So this scheme is nothing new or something that has not been tried (and failed) before.
Ask yourself why central banks hold gold, perhaps silver, and not any other hard currency. Why is it that gold is the real money of those at the highest levels and countries do gold swaps. The more questions you ask and the more information you seek to learn, the more interesting it gets.
Got gold?
i wonder how many people realize just how big this situation is
The answer to that question is:
(# of ZH readers - 1)
Sorry Master Bates!
Damn.
OK, when I said in my last comment on this subject in the previous article that I was worried that the only way to profit from this was likely to be a life insurance policy on Andrew Maguire, I seriously had no idea that I was going to be right about that ...
Stay safe, Andrew!
Unfortunately, life insurance policies don't pay out on "suicides"...
the wait is two years ,, in most cases,, buy wait for two years shoot your self in the back of the head ,, while your hands are tied behind your back and blindfolded ,,,
I see "Animal Farm" is alive and flourishing..
Sad to see "The Grand Experiment" (America) going down the tubes this way..
I seem to remember some 'Eastern European Leader' long ago saying America would rot from the inside out, and fall from the tree, like an over-ripe plum..(I paraphrase..) Yes, sad..
The world wide 'chess game' goes on..
The good guys (individuals) who try to make a difference and shine the light of truth and are 'taken down' for their efforts need to be remembered..It is part of 'the plan' for them to just fade away..I would like to see a website, (as long as the 'net is still up), that lists, in one place, in chronilogical order, with just a line or two about what their efforts were that led to their demise..
God bless ZH and it's 'community'.........
We are all part of a controlled hampster farm experiment. Stray away from the herd, and you will soon find or self euthanized or immobilized.
I am sure this all just one large misunderstanding. Likely the driver of the offending vehicle was just swerving to avoid an unexpected green shoot which obstructed his path.
It is surely a coincidence if he turns out to have been ex-Mossad now working janitorial services at J.P. Morgan Chase.
Is anyone really surprised? Looks like they are getting desperate!
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Being a US citizen will not spare an American from getting assassinated by military or intelligence operatives overseas if the individual is working with terrorists and planning to attack fellow Americans - blowing the whistle on an American Organization Deemed Too Big to Fail - especially if JP is massively short with the blessing of the Fed - and no doubt it is so as agent of the Fed - would this not be defendable by the PTB a threat to the nation's strategic security, with potentially 'terrifying' implications - hence a fully legal strike? Won't be surprised to find the survellience cameras in the vicinity were down for scheduled maintenance, especially if it was in the City.
ever wonder why gold is valuable?
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"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
uranium delivery systems trump lead delivery systems.
uranium delivery systems trump lead delivery systems.
You are correct Sir!
And for all intents and purposes "Ours" are controlled by the CFR......guys like this......
Dean Rusk (General Advisory Committee of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency), Gerald Smith (Director, Arms Control and Disarmament Agency), Cyrus Vance (General Advisory Committee of the U.S. Arms Control and Disarmament Agency)
QUESTION: It seems obvious that there is far more paper contracts for gold, silver etc than what actually exists in the world. Even the witness from the CFTC in the meetings admitted there is paper backing packer in a fractional reserve manner.
What does that mean, though? In the worst case scenario, it would mean a run on gold, but if everyone realizes that their gold contracts are worthless, won't that mean that gold itself will be worthless? People will run away from gold, and start selling it in order to get their hands on real assets. So, the take down of paper gold will result in the take down of gold itself, including physical gold. So, in fact, it's worthless to buy physical gold, because it's essentially a Ponzi scheme.
I don't think it will be the case where physical gold will become more valuable, I think it will just result in massive counterparty risk, just like the CDSs we saw in 2008, where counterparties were unable to pay back their contracts, and the contracts themselves became worthless. When the gold run starts, gold will spike, but when people realize they won't be able to deliver real gold, they'll just renege on their contracts, which will spark a domino effect on all the contracts, rendering them worthless, to the point where everyone will try to get out of their gold positions, making gold virtually worthless.
People would naturally run towards a more stable asset, such as the US dollar or Chinese Yuan, or some other asset that would then become the next "gold".
huh? Physical gold has stored wealth for millenia - the crooked bankers and their phony paper games aren't going to change that even if they collapse. Paper gold goes and folks rush for paper money? I'd say if paper gold goes, the markets realize gold is more scarce than they previously were led to believe. The menu is not the meal.
That's exactly what I'm saying. It's the consequences of a gold run.
In a bank run, people rush to take their money out of bank before the notes that a bank have given as IOUs become worthless. Essentially the risk is that the counterparty of the IOU that you hold won't be able to pay back the IOU, making the value of the IOU worthless.
If you have a gold contract or some derivative of paper gold, and the paper is deemed worthless, what will you do as a speculator? Sell your gold contract and buy physical gold? Or would you sell off your gold and move your money into a completely different asset class? I think if the entire gold market's integrity is at question, people will reject gold outright and move their money into something they can trust. Who knows what that will be, but if this were to occur in the next 5 years, it would likely be either the USD or yuan.
There would be a short period of time where gold spiked to some very high number, but once counterparties stopped delivering and go bankrupt, the paper gold contracts would become worthless and people would be dumping gold hand over fist just to get out of their positions and move their money into something safer and more real.
Think about what happened in the CDS market. CDSs were great, up until the point where counterparty risk now became a factor. If Lehman and AIG went belly up, the value of all the CDS contracts would become worthless. I think possibly the same thing will happen.
I'm thinking about the CDS market - paper junk derived from paper junk - I don't see it as analogous at all. If I believed that the paper market was responsible for inflating the price of gold over its underlying value, then I would probably agree with you. I believe quite sincerely that it's quite the opposite though, so the paper house of cards coming down would have quite the opposite effect. Gold's true value is quite relative - relative to the ability of alternatives to store value - there are precious few alternatives right now and neither the USD nor the Yuan look like they will be getting better with time, at least not in the short to middle term - they are hardly 'real'. I still am at a loss to explain the how those who point to gold as having zero intrinsic value are all fiat currency bugs. The intrinsic value of the dollar is what? The heat it would yield on fire?
I'm not saying that the USD has any inherent value, it's just that people tend to have the reaction of running to whatever makes them feel safe. I was surprised that people fled gold and bought USDs during the height of the 2008 crisis. If the next crisis wasn't because of US debt but because of a run on gold, then possibly the same thing could occur again. Anyway, this is just idle speculation on my side.