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Yes, please. Hold the light bulbs...
imo the important difference is not liberal/conservative it is authoritarian/libertarian. and both u.s. political parties at the leadership level are authoritarian. dianne feinstein and john boehner have far more in common than not. just like w. and b.o.
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Somebody hand this guy a microphone
It is a surprise to you that the brainwashed nationalists are republicans and the brave imprisoned freedom fighters are liberal?
Im sorry, you are confused by the terminology. In the US we stopped calling classical liberals, liberal in the 1930s. We call them libertarians. What we call liberal in the US is a crony capitalist pseudo Marxist with a sense of entitlement and self deluded feelings of greatness and elitism.
So, to review. In the US the term Libertarian is used to describe a person that believes in the government exerting the minimal level of influence and threat of violence against its sovereign citizens. A Liberal believes that everyone not in his/her circle is too dimwitted to care for themselves which forces them not only to rob someone else’s pocket to care for the lesser being, but to place themselves in a paternal role of ruling (always with a soft and kind whip) those not in the elite group.
Socialism is not for the socialist but for the people.
the last decade of u.s. history, particularly, makes nonsense of what you wrote. crony capitalism? guess george w. bush is a liberal to you.
what about the too big to fail seems pseudo marxist (or any kind of marxist)? these guys are more from each according to his need to each according to his ability (to steal). it's pseudo-capitalism in bull markets, socialism for the rich in bear. and obama is much the same. lots of robbing and nation building (foreign ones) under both parties.
liberal is a red herring. it's libertarian vs. authoritarian and the first includes both leftists like glenn greenwald and rightists like ron paul.
The US has been a story of entitlements since the beginning.
Deluded feelings of greatness and elitism? From the beginning.
Commonly, the US citizens have come to consider themselves as the elite of humanity way, way before the 1930s. The whole conquest of the US soil is based on and rationalized by elitistic thoughts.
"The whole conquest of the US soil is based on and rationalized by elitistic thoughts."
And the assorted tribes that were here already did not attack & kill one another and take land by force?
They most certainly did...Creek fought Cherokee...Apache fought Comanche...it's the nature of man...skin color & lineage has zero to do with it.
Just so you know...I identify with the Creek's...wanna fight? ;-)
Holy cow. You identify with the Creek's? Through blood sampling probably. And of course, you wont identify with the negro if ever test reported the same.
Myself I identify with Neanderthalis. Same logics. And as worthwile.
My idea was not expressed that you had to reinforce it by more examples?
Explaining your course of actions by others' and the fact you're better than them at the game,ummm, well, well, well, that is rationalization through elitistic thoughts.
US citizens have deep issues in self perception.
"And of course, you wont identify with the negro if ever test reported the same."
A presumption on your part is not proof of anything my man. Care to explain how you come by this ability to peer into a man's soul & heart?
"Explaining your course of actions by others' and the fact you're better than them at the game,ummm, well, well, well, that is rationalization through elitistic thoughts."
You saying that you have the market cornered on virtue?...that's seems a rather high opinion of yourself.
"US citizens have deep issues in self perception."
Ahhh...here we get to the nub of it...and your nationality is?...
It is very simple. It is named actions. Process known for centuries. Actions speak louder than words. Available to most people around the world.
In the US, people love to dilute their responsibility. Branching to Indians is a sure way to dilute the very fact the US stole the land.
Genetic data and the exposure of it show that trend: US citizens proclaim out when they are shown Indian ancestry and deny when shown negro ancestry (exception of course of people who can not deny because too obvious)
The depiction does not require any other quality than observation. Virtueless people can observe the elitistic patterns of rationalization used by US citizens.
The nationality? So observing that US citizens have deep issues in self perception is dependent on nationality? Sure.
No, just my observation that your on a anti-American rant this morning...as seen here on GW's thread;
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/founding-fathers-would-be-proud-people-egypt-and-disgusted-people-america#comment-955398
And here;
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/founding-fathers-would-be-proud-people-egypt-and-disgusted-people-america#comment-955513
And you still haven't answered my question of your nationality...any particular reason why you hold this as such a closely guarded secret?
You do realize part of free and open debate is...ya know...being free & open, correct?
Could it be that you are British?...I mean, you do make the point that "the king" held up his end of a treaty in the second link...so unless otherwise advised I will address you as a British citizen...any problem with that? ;-)
Free and open? So people can choose their answers. Or not.
Nationality? So far, I have seen, observed nothing that convinced me that facts are constrained by nationality. I hold a fact for a fact, no matter the nationality of the person uttering it. Therefore making nationality irrelevant to the topic of factuality.
Could it be that King held his promise and the US did not, a fact invariant of the nationality, age, or any other group the US citizens are accustomed to list people in.
Just wondering... Actually not. If you understand the gangs, you understand the US. Usually, when people say something that might be adverse to the gang, it is not because it is a fact but because they want to harm the gang, or they do not love the gang etc...
Gangs hold for true/or want to pretend that the observation of facts and the statements of facts are dependent on belonging to this or that gang.
For US citizens, when somebody comes with the very fact that Good King Georges the Fifth was a man on his words on certain topic, two conclusions impose themselves: the person stating the fact is a member of another gang, that is the reason why he states such a fact. Or the person is of the same gang but hate on the gang, and the hate is the root of the statement.
The very idea that the fact is stated because it is fact, independent of any other consideration, is alien to US citizens.
So you're a Brit then...commenting upon US citizens both past & present...trying mightly to avoid looking in the mirror and avoiding the fact that at the point of our founding as a nation...that your people played a part in what you now criticize...and the former kings subjects pushed inward from the coast displacing Indians, enslaving Indians, slaughtering Indians and importing Africans as slaves to these shores.
Thanks fpr playing ;-)
As a broader remark, I havent paid this guy to act as a paid shill as he made my points as the convo unfolded.
Another thing about gangs, which matters to understand the US, is that gangs do not oppose a behaviour because of the behaviour, they oppose others displaying the behaviour.
A gang might not oppose racket but the gang opposes others racketting.
A key point. The US citizens are not against tyranny, they are against being tyrannized.
As a reflex, gangs, in order to cope with the fact, tend to look for a fraternity in crimes. Everytime one of their crime is pointed, they point at others gangs' crimes.
Hence the importance of knowing a nationality. US citizens want absolutely to point at others.
At present moment, there is one guy, that is you, who is trying mightly to avoid looking in the mirror. You are the one who are clinging to the idea I am a Briton so you can dismiss the facts I underlined.
No matter how hard you want this to be, no matter whatever the British have done and all the others in the world since man started to walk the Earth, this wont change the very fact that the good King George the Fifth upheld the Indians' treaties and freed the Black Loyalists after the war, contrary to the US.
No matter how hard you'll wish it, no matter who you will choose to found a frat in crime, you'll never manage to change those facts.
Facts are facts. They exist outside of you. Reality is a nasty mother.
"No matter how hard you want this to be, no matter whatever the British have done and all the others in the world since man started to walk the Earth, this wont change the very fact that the good >>>King George the Fifth<<< upheld the Indians' treaties and freed the Black Loyalists after the war, contrary to the US.
No matter how hard you'll wish it, no matter who you will choose to found a frat in crime, you'll never manage to change those facts.
Facts are facts. They exist outside of you. Reality is a nasty mother."
Facts & reality certainly are stubborn things...ROTFLMAO!!!
Oh, horseshit. What the hell is a "useful" degree?
Is working at Monsanto or Blackwater "useful"? How about Jones Day or Burson Marsteller?
What you call 'useful' deserves the firing squad in civilized societies.
And as for those in Uncle Sam's torture chambers: the handful of Blacks and Chicanos behind enemy lines who actually bother with 2-party Politricks (who cares when you can't vote?) probably identify as Democrats because most aren't White.
And Republicans are a Whites-Only party.
Not that Obamanation is worth a damn, but with their Ron Pauls and Rick Sanotoriums, an either/or choice isn't too hard if you're Black or Chicano, is it?
Dude, I gots one. Taught me how to bail 20 years ago. Almost 60 now, got zip in the favorite entitlements of the day; just enough to qualify. Funny how those low paying jobs in College counted as quarters.
So 3rd year undergraduate finance courses teach government control ? What is 4th year about?
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How much iCit do you have?
"Ron Paul fails to differentiate productive capitalism from modern financial capitalism."
Fail. Try reading some of his work. He's perfectly well aware of the difference... troll.
Paul simply refuses to understand the origin of profit! He has to evade his eyes in fright!
Like Uncle Sam's little Muslim Brotherhood during a REVOLUTION!
"Thou shalt not speak of Capitalism's Original Sin," might as well be his 2012 campaign slogan.
i'd vote for Paul except that he's no spring chicken. come election time next year, he'll be 77. think some people couldn't see themselves voting for McCain for this reason and historically, older candidates have not fared very well at the polls. Think Reagan may have been the only commander in chief while in his 80's if i'm not mistaken.
If we are being honest.....
...look, McCain looked like he would have given up the ghost. Hes stiff, had work done, and completely out of touch (hahahahaha, I can't believe I wrote that last part).
well, guess what? i am not absolutely sure about this. but i think for the last couple of decades all of the past and present presidents have only bear, daughters.
Big miss. Eisenhower. Kennedy. GHW Bush.
Then on your side are Truman, Nixon, Johnson, Carter, GWB, Clinton, O.
i for sure don't want any of them on my side, but thanks for clearing up my post for me†
>>Ron Paul fails to differentiate productive capitalism from modern financial capitalism.<<
You should avoid making statements about things you haven't a clue about. Dr. Paul speaks often against corpratism, the very ologarchical system you described above.
'Corporatism' is a make-believe word invented by people aiming to conceal the brutal record of White Capital's 500-year rule.
Why can't you acknowledge that Capital dominates our social system? You act like it doesn't exist!
Its getting tiresome. All you do is complain about the whites. Hate to tell you, but there are alot of white folk not doing so well right now. How does that fit into your theory?
While I can appreciate what you are saying, I am unsure that its all Whitey's fault. So fuck off.
Being White doesn't mean you control production and distribution. That's the mechanism by which White Capital rules.
White people get fucked by White Capital, too.
What about Elite power? Seems more reasonable than "White Capital." No?
I'm not arguing with you. But this type of thinking just furthers the divide between people.
I think Capital - plain and simple - is most accurate.
'Elite' is abstract, whereas Capital is concrete. Elite can mean political office holders, bankers, judges, lawyers, etc. Capital specifically points to the productive interests who placed them into 'power' to begin with.
I use 'White' because that how those who control the world's wealth and power identify themselves.
The divide is broken when White people recognize the privilege their skin offers rather than blaming those not 'fortunate' enough to be born differently.
Right. Because if all 'Capital' was in the hands of people with darker skin, that would make ALL the difference.
The point is that White people came up with the scam 5 centuries ago and have used it to pillage the world since then.
And just so we are clear. I didn't junk you.
Rev. Jackson, don't you have an illegitimate child to create somewhere??
"Reverand" Jackson helped the government kill Martin Luther King, Jr.
Ron Paul has said exactly this. Maybe you should listen to the man.
There is no needs. The dichotomy is an illusion.
There is no modern financial capitalism other by the accumulation of knowledge. The principles are the same as they were at start. They got refined.
The difficulties of productive capitalism stem from production is consumption first. To produce, you have to consume. A rise in production can be achieved by two ways: better ways of production and/or increase of inputs.
As globalization is ending, the rise by increase of inputs (expansionism) is dying as well. Remains only rise by better ways of production. Trouble is better ways often include limiting the number of people involved in the productive process hence the discontentment.
Labour is a drain on resources. People in charge are already testing policies to accomodate this reality as we are heading for a world of dwindling resources.
This is bullshit. To consume you have to produce before. And this is true for any system,.
And this again is true for any system.
Marxisms a bit? Since the industrialization started some people have been saying that the increase in productivity will make "end the jobs". Its basically not true. New jobs appear. Also we work less time (which is great if you ask me), because we produce in better ways.
So increasing productivity is not going to disolve the system, only strengthen it (which is a disgrace if you ask me).
How? Please provide one single example that the human activity called production is not consumption first.
From what I know from Marxism, it does not differ from the others on this very specific point. The inputs side is supremely ignored.
Increase in productivity can include limiting the number of people involved in the productive process. Never stated it will "end the jobs"
The translation of the loss in jobs due to gains in productivity is not forcefully met by the creation of new jobs. Most of the times, it is sectors that start to grow bigger than they used to be. For example, the entertainment industry. Nothing new in it, but the number of entertainers at all levels has seriously increased.
Another point about new jobs and the loss due to productivity is that people have to retrain their skills (waste economy) Besides the point that no every one is able to perform the new jobs, the retraining is itself an act of consumption and therefore eats partially at the gains accomplished by productivity.
Marx talks about this extensively throughout all three volumes of Capital.
He does so by differentiating "Fixed Capital" - machinery & technology - from "Variable Capital" - labor power.
The trend towards the former to be more productive necessarily leads to something he refers to as the "falling rate of profit", which declines on a per-unit basis as productivity increases.
Fishing and eating the fish. You first have to fish (production) and then you can eat the fish (consumption). All human activities production comes before consumption. This is basic.
First you have to consume? That exposes a basic and complete misunderstanding of economics. Consumers are first producers where they gain the capital to consume.
Production has many orders. But the first order of production starts as a means of increasing the efficiency and productivity of production and the capital used to fund it. The consumer and consumption are completely disconnected from this dynamic. In other words, supply side economics is utter bullsheet. And the American economy for the last thirty years has been completely tied to stimulating production through consumption aka supply side voodoo. And that means a collapse back to the levels of the early 1980s when this Republican fraud first started is quite probable.
If I am guaranteed to learn anything when reading comments on ZH, it's that almost no one knows what they are talking about. It's the viscious and unreasoned mob in electronic form.
Verbose. Please provide a production activity that is not consumption at first.
Production has many orders. But the first order of production starts as a means of increasing the efficiency and productivity of production and the capital used to fund it. The consumer and consumption are completely disconnected from this dynamic.
You are even more dense than you appear if you cannot actually name a particular product or activity within the framework of my aforementioned remarks. Are you a bankster or do you just sit in an office all day and pretend to do productive work? Talk about ad hominem....
If you are referring to consuption the way everyone else does - using up a good or service - then you need to explain yourself, because I (and everyone else) have to produce something before we can either consume it, or swap it for something we do consume.
So exactly how does consumption precede production?
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ron paul is an asspirate....."if we could only have ron paul! he'll save the world for democracy and get this country on track!.."
blah. he'll end up senile and embarassing like ronald raygun
They have a dream of lower taxes, and on that he would deliver. Of course we'd be taken over by China almost immediately, but I digress.
It's funny to see the ideologues on here repeatedly flag remarks that make sense. The comments about Ron Paul not understanding economics, which by the way are true, received 11 flags and counting. Ideologues come on here and often espouse completely ridiculous notions, and then when anyone provides reasoned dissent, they are marginalized just like the Soviet polity we have running our country here in the US. Rather than appointing Ron Paul as God because he actually speaks a modicum of what he really believes as opposed to most political crooks, maybe you should actually consider dissenting points of view. You might learn something other than how to flag a post with a dissenting view. That's what the Nazis did. You can do better. Eh?
Aside from violating Godwin's Law, a pretty good comment. The Hedge can tend to Internet thuggery on topics like this. Unfortunately, the ideologues are blind to the internal contradictions of their logic.
Godwin's Law is not a law at all. And except for your violation of the ethics, morality and truth of what law actually is, that was a pretty good comment.
No doubt drive-by junkers are pussies...however,
This a place to do battle. Present your point and fight for it. Why should your opinion be accepted as revealed truth?
Who the hell do you think you are?
In what way does Ron Paul not understand economics? I have read some of his work and listened to him talking and it's clear he has a sounder grasp of economics and monetary theory (not to mention foreign policy) than 99.99% of the people running for office.
Far from offering 'reasoned' dissent, stating that 'Ron Paul doesn't understand economics' is not reasoned dissent, it's just a contrarian statement without anything to back it up. People are perfectly entitled to express their opinion that such postings are junk - they're under no obligation to engage in dialogue with someone who appears to be either ignorant, or a troll.
As for appointing "Ron Paul as God" - well, merely stating that the man has a sound grasp of the constitution, monetary theory, and would do an enormous amount of good in office, is hardly deification.
So fuck off with your nazi accusations... troll.
Ron Paul just cares about money-making. He doesn't give a rats ass about how it is made, or who is steamroleld in the process.
He doesn't care from whence wealth came, only that it remain in the hands of those who somehow - magically - got it, like manna from heaven.
Yes, but the Europods fell for the EU, socialism, and global warming taxes. They have their own media issues.
Ron Paul is great, but marginalized by the MSM propaganda. They are not about the let Ron Paul look good and be taken seriously.
Don't blame individual Americans, blame TPTB that control the media conglomerates. Propaganda works. That's why theyy want the kill switch for the internet.
"...but marginalized by the MSM propaganda. They are not about the let Ron Paul look good and be taken seriously."
You say this as if the MSM mattered. They don't. The world has changed, and will continue changing in a direction very different from the one we grew up in. The future will be nothing like the promise or dream we've been led to believe.
"Don't blame individual Americans, blame TPTB that control the media conglomerates. Propaganda works. That's why theyy want the kill switch for the internet."
Fail. The corporate status quo agenda is collaspsing - it's done. We are the unfortunate generation that will serve as stewards/victims of the transition from a dying paradigm to a new paradigm... a new paradigm that is still largely unknown and unpredictable.
Giving any credit to the MSM at this point is like measuring the health of our economy by the performance of the stock market in $USD. Laughable.
No you're wrong, but I digress, really f*ck you. Thanks in advance.
Well the idiots are easily brainwashed by TV and it is ALL the same. All Obama - All elites all the time. Ball games, reality Tv, oprah, fast food, beer and other idiocy. Look at how they are kept as Federal Reserve slaves.
"average" Egyptians are fucking illiterate and believe in a rock god and FGM
Like Tyson says, every fighter has a plan til he gets hit.
wrong video comment
makes me want to be off-grid
glad I just had a vasectomy
a snip in time saves more than nine
Here's an old one. What do you call it when a woman has a sex change? An "addadictomy". Badum-bum.
Americans have freedom of speech and democracy?
Do you know where this exists because I live here and have been looking and cannot seem to find it.
What the fuck is Zerohedge? You fucking idiot. As if there is rampant censorship or suppression of assembly and freedom of speech. Jesus Christ, the posters here are getting worse and worse daily. This is about the STOCK MARKET and MONETARY POLICY. Not about some BS lack of freedoms that only a dipshit would perceive as actually being enforced.
The post was actually a reply to another and was misplaced.
Try not to fall off that pedestal.
How strange, seems I was thinking the same thing about you.
Amabo Kcarab = Barack Obama backward.
Wow, I hope you spent a lot of time on that you fucking worthless troll.
Lothar! Our favorite rottie guarding the flock;)
Ruth and Lothar in a single post...sublime.
I read an interesting book about Russia under Putin. Putin was all for free speech and democracy. There is a catch however:
Newspapers can print whatever they'd like about the government but the TV was only allowed to give the "proscribed" message. Why... most people don't read, and those who do have little to no influence on those who don't.
Elections were free and fair from a functional standpoint but only the government chosen candidate would get positive news (and a lot of it) on the TV, opponents would receive little air time and it would often only be of some controversy or mis-step. People would vote for the chosen candidate every time because they honestly thought this was the best candidate.
It is a very Machiavellian maneuver; the veneer of free speech builds trust in media in general which allows governments to control the most popular forms. Web sites like Zerohedge are not a threat to the system. In many ways they are useful to governments because dissidents gather here and vent their frustrations with little or no cost to the system.
Not only that. But there are some smart people here and they slug it out with each other for free. Lobbyists can get tons of legislative history and "what if's" before the legislation/policy is even mentioned to government. I just wish they would reduce their billable hours accordingly....
This has been an observed phenomenon about Russia since Gorbatchev left office. We adopted it a few years later. Websites like Zerohedge are our current version of Soviet-era undergound publishing, which, well before the Internet, was distributed on mimeographed papers, or worse.
There are few things really new in politics; I suspect that the last true insights were made by de Toqueville, and Mark Twain.
Sam had to get published, so he needed some coin, Toqueville was like Gibbon, more independent. Rogers. Kipling, Service probably didn't make any money, Bierce, H.L. Mencken.
Then we get more-so into the machine politi... er ... 'journalists/writers'
- Ned
(and let's not forget Maggie and THE Pope who smuggled early Laserjets into Poland and the Eastern block as 'office machines' that, well, voila, were latter day mimeographs).
Samizdat. And with the internet, the NSA never has to worry they're missing a morsel of it. They are hugely advantaged compared to the old KGB.
Big Brother approves this message.
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Mostly I agree, but I think you understate the value of newspapers.
The combination of unique target audiences (Wall St. Journal & Financial Times to the banker-gangsters and NY Times to the hard-core bourgeoisie, for example) and ability to set the agenda, the major media corporations and their brands have power far beyond their intellectual and/or journalistic capacity.
Were it not for Judy Miller preaching to the NY Times-trusting lemmings, Uncle Sam's 2003 Shock-n-Awe Blitzkrieg might not go down - or at least not the same way.
They position the lie (the psyop) like a nail, and drive it in with their hammer (in-bed reporters). That matters to nations who need wars.
Because their Capitalists need more Capital.
Concise and accurate.
By Founding Fathers's own words, freedom of speech was supposed to be a threat to power apparatus.
We are going more and more a society of fantasy. In order to conciliate various fragments of reality, people use fantasy.
In order to think that a site like this one is freedom of speech, people need to depict power through marginal behaviours.
Historically, people in power seldom have seldom looked for suppressing anything that is not a threat to them. But now, this reality is erased as power is more and more described as obsessed with suppressing non threats.
It goes that far that some people feel that bankers and co, who got cleared by justicial powers, keeping their loot and all, should spend money on means to suppress sites like this one.
Interesting point; I have often thought that in an ideal Republic, news would be banned from TV and elections would be publicly funded (it would be affordable with no overpriced commercials). TV is an entertainment venue and the first choice for everyone willing to pay to misdirect the lazy.
"What the fuck is Zerohedge? You fucking idiot. As if there is rampant censorship or suppression of assembly and freedom of speech. Jesus Christ, the posters here are getting worse and worse daily."
Are ZH servers located in the US? (honest question)
Fuck ya back in tha day ZH was all this and all that, now it's like, so commercial, ykn0w? Fuck, how dare other people speak their stupid minds while I ironically rant about how many freedom fries America has compared to Equatorial Guinea. Oh, how it doth offend mine upturned nose to have to smell those that still have the mendacity to maintain some patchouli stinking hippy protestors in America might have been corralled and beaten by our God Given men/women in blue (all hail), who are just trying to feed their families while serving the just interests of our betters. Those long hairs deserved anything they got, as long as it is all bad...but America is free, so very very very very fucking free; fuck off if you think otherwise. I'm right. I'm always right and don't you forget it or question me. EVER.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsEkhy7fGLw
(or something like that - I paraphrased)
BM (heh), if it 'costs' your delicate sensibilities too much to endure the BS you get for free the door is only a mouse click away last time I checked
Buck up and learn how to glean or fuck you and the splintered saddle horn you rode in on.
Warmest Regards
Indeed.
This is not the USA. That country ended circa 1913.
<rolling eyes>
Errr...
It's "rolls eyes," not "rolling eyes."
This here is a fine example of CIA trolling. Advanced, to be sure. But a troll nonetheless.
Not to get off topic Orly, but the USA ended in 1865 due to the machinations of Abraham Lincoln.
Some interesting facts in the book: Lincoln Unmasked, by Thomas J. DiLorenzo
6 May 1965, right? Now, if we could just pin it down to the second...
you can make children while jackin off to a mirror?? surround yourself with some more mirrors you fuckin attention whore
1863. The National Bank Act.
I was just reading a good article by DiLorenzo the other day on the propagandist's claim that unions "created" the Middle Class".
1798...Alien and Sedition Acts.
War of Northern Agression
The North attacked Fort Sumter?
Took me a lot of years and reading through the "Federalist Papers" before I understood my Rebel (and might I say my Cracka' ;-) friends comments in this regard.
Lincoln wished to give Lee overall command. Lee stayed with Virginia. Why would an absolutely honorable man, brilliant administrative and field commander both, make this decision?
(Come to think about it, it is the Citadel grads who have the fastest 'correction: War of Northern Agression' retort.)
- Ned
The North attacked Fort Sumter?
Just as the South attacked Bull Run ;-) Picnic day, walk in the park.
<rolling eyes>
I guess it's your ability to formulate an argument that impresses me most.
You can't argue against stupidy.
I think he is doing a mighty fine job here. WTF is wrong with the rest of you?
Party on, Boilermaker.
I guess I must have missed the part where BM (heh) added any value to the conversation. Could you recap for me?
"... But a troll nonetheless."
Cass S in Da house!
I'd call that an excuse.
The halcyon days of lynchings and child labor ...
i just went lul
Child labour is a result of poverty, not lack of government regulation.
You think if the Bangladeshi government legislated against child labour, it would stop? No, because half their population would starve to death.
While poverty may well be the main driver of child labor, there is an odd sense of filial piety in Asia that also contributes. Over my few decades in Asia, much of it in "developing" nations, I've seen countless examples of thirty-something "parents' sitting on their butts at home while the six and seven year olds beg or work in everything from tea shops to brickmaking factories. Kids think their job is to take care of the parents, even if the parents are still young and able-bodied.
chindit13, your observations from Asia are very informative to me.
Never leave us!
I myself value very much expert (and regular) opinion from Europe and Asia. We live in one world, and it helps ME (and my family) to receive good analysis and remarks from knowledgeable people.
+ $1360
Most reasonable post I've read in some time. Thanks. We need more positivity.
That is quite young to developp consciously such filial piety feeling.
And lynchings?
Child labor under wage slavery results from the imperative to accumulate as much Capital as possible for the owners as quickly as possible.
They're a cheap and easily exploited labor market.
Hooray!
We don't do child labor in the US. If your country allows it, your country sucks.
It is not the US's job to save you from yourselves.
Uncle Sam DID do child labor in 1913 - the point, to which I responded.
Ancient history.
Do you think anyone alive, today, is responsible?
There's nothing wrong with child labour. Ever heard about capitalism? Libertarianism?
No-one owes those children an education, or health care,...
Sure that's not 1920 ???
When them damn wimmen got to vote ?
/snark
/really - snark
Unplug from the matrix. "Your Life According To The Government" is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, yet signifies nothing. Life according to you is the only one worth living after all.
BTW, anyone know when is American Idol on this week? I heard Snooki might be a guest host this week. http://therookiecynic.wordpress.com/
And the end of the story is that Wall Street took out your Retirement Money before you did and you have nothing left.
Welcome to the game. We have a player.
Did anybody catch the picture of the guy sneaking out the window with everyone's social security?
I swear it looked like George W. Bush.
Actually, it was good ole Ronnie Reagan that started the theft of the proletariats social security.
http://www.populistdaily.com/economics/who-stole-your-social-security-and-why.html
No, GWB was the one that wanted to slam it into the stock market just before the jig was up. Keep focused!
Be really careful...they sucked you in. Do you want me to post some of your responses from 10 months ago before you became a slut?
Be really careful? What is your problem? Like this one? http://www.zerohedge.com/article/us-revises-estimate-bp-oil-spill-higher-third-time-now-35000-60000-day
Are you Heidi Fleiss?
Are you BM's (heh) life partner?
Not to mention destroying the value of most Americans "nest egg".
Getting the IRAs out before they confiscate. No doubt.
Sadly I envision sitting in a foreign country having vino with another American shooting the shit about the Old Country. There is still a small part of me that thinks the USA has one final shot for political revolution. If flipping over 700 seats nationwide isn't a leading indicator then what is?
Of course the Gods Must Be Crazy and Ron Paul gets his foot in the door at the Fed. POTUS 44 gets to join the Muslim Brotherhood in 2013. Bankruptcy for the states is enacted and we stick it to the public sector union leaders (everyone goes back to working for the taxpayer not the unions). NOW WE pick and choose winners and losers. Muni Bondholders with any connection to the Big 5 get stiffed first. Repeal of the repeal of Glass-Steagal. Immediately raise interest rates and let housing prices wash out while wiping out all shareholder equity at the Big 5.
Like I said. A very very small part of me thinks it can happen. Did I say it was small? But not impossible.
Join me at Casey's place in Argentina. We can smoke cigars and screw horses all day, and watch V for Vendetta.
"I did not fuck the horse"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tleSL7uk74s&feature=related
Not impossible, but not with this Congress, and indeed, not with this current electorate. They need to see far more pain, and understand that the government is the cause, not the solution. This may take a bit more time. But the way things are headed, and the way extreme situations tend to devolve generally (simply look at Tunisia and Egypt), i.e., rather quickly, we may well see a more favorable progression before too long.
http://www.youtube.com/user/NothingButHitsEnt#p/a/u/1/BbqMnwMwf6k
A Day at Goldman SachsBTDT. Now I just BTFD!
I suppose that most of you are aware that certain government agencies not only track the web generally, but are able to track usage of the internet by single users; just a reminder.
Free speech was effectively terminated by the Patriot Act, which is still in effect. Most of the other provisions of the Bill of Rights were also terminated by the Patriot Act.
Apparently this has never been enough to galvanize even a small number of people to protest, because, hey, WTF, what's going on with Lindsey Lohan, anyway???
I hope they hire her to work on CNBC. The current crop are still attractive but are getting old. They got courtney, mandy and another new girl but they lost whats her face to CBS.
Imagine the ratings if they had Lohan and Megan Fox selling AAPL and NETFLIX stocks. Ben could exit POMO and QE2 safely.
whats with the junk?
My solid state electronics professor (chineese of course) taught me all I needed to know about marketing. 18 year old kids, mostly Indian, Paki, Korean trying to understand why 'trons will break the rule of diodes and flow up the bottom gate of a PnP junction.
He says "Wook, it ris rust wike this, if I bring a pretty girl into this crassroom you will all rush in here, but then you will get out and go home and do your homework sets"
Quiz and homework scores went up dramatically for a couple of weeks. Then he blows our minds again when we move onto mosfet. He says
"Actually its not 'trons flowing. its the holes"
One of the best professors I have ever had in my life. I expect CNBC to uphold those standards as I work on my PhD in Keynesian economics.
Walked into Fluid Mechanics final with 'Fluids Sucks' in Calligraphy on the board. Prof looks at it and says "Ah, but fruids also brow."
They are also incompressable. But I've got a little time for an honors project if you want to prove me wrong ;-)
Some of our work is in supercritical boilers, beta (dang, how to do greek alphabet letters here) like 5,000. So in the modeling and piping design, the compressibiiity is taken into account because mass flow through the boiler matches to mass flow through the machine matches to net output matches to Ta-Da! revenue.
Not wrong, just neglect when not needed ;-)
Oh, another: 'raminar frow.'
- Ned
Kinda like the military.
"Life sucks, but the Navy blows hard enough to equalize the pressure."
" ... then they won't let you die."
Getting killed is not authorized on my watch.
Who wants to get out and protest. Then I'd have to Tivo Jersey Shore.
Wow, does anyone use Tivo anymore?
I miss TiVo. My DirecTV DVR doesn't give me happy surprise recordings (YOU SAID THAT YOU LIKED THE HORSEY SHOWS) and it frequently forgets to record Tosh.0, which makes me nerd rage and spill my Monster Energy Drink all over my Hot Pockets.
Jersey Shore, by the way, is wonderful television programming. Why wouldn't you want a front-row seat to the decline of Western Civilization?
First 48 is another eye-opener
The Patriot Act was deposited curbside last week: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s112-291
I just saw Mubarak (dishevled, in the gutter) fumbling through it, he mumbled something to the effect "I coulda come up with this any day."
"A bill to repeal the sunset provisions in the USA PATRIOT Improvement and Reauthorization Act of 2005 and other related provisions and permanently reauthorize the USA PATRIOT Act./"
That doesn't sound like deposited curbside to me. That sounds like the expiration is cancelled and the Act made permanent.
Hmm: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2011/02/ahead-of-patriot-act-vote-so... There is room for us both to be right here, the original act was struck down and now there are 3 different versions yet to be voted on, I've always hated Feinstein. Sorry for the misunderstanding.