Zero Hedge's Anonymity Policy
Friday being a slow news day, stories going around today purport to identity one of Zero Hedge's contributors. Ironically, each piece seems to reference another media outlet as a source in an interlocking circle of recursive reference that boggles the mind.
This, by our very rough count, is the fourth widespread rumor floating around purporting to identify a Zero Hedge contributor or staff member. As a matter of policy, Zero Hedge does not comment on the identity of the nearly 40 contributors of staff members that constitute our little family. Now does, however, seem an opportune time to remind readers to read our manifesto, our full-disclosure policy, "How To [Read/Tip Off] Zero Hedge Without Attracting The Interest Of [Human Resources/The Treasury/Black Helicopters]," and 1-2 and Marla Singer's missive on "The Financial Media."
Zero Hedge contributors and staff are not so narcissisticly married to fame that we find it necessary to take credit for our content. Nor do we believe that any amount of author reputation is (or should be) able to prop up a bad piece. We credit our readers with the requisite intelligence and skepticism to do their own fact checking and assign their own credibility ratings to our content. We cannot say the same for many of the other "financial journalists" out there.
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on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:44
#43619
The last paragraph says it all. Well done TD
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:45
#43620
TD, who gives a damn what MSM says.Keep up the great work as you have obviously touched a nerve.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:52
#43650
Amen!
RE who TD is... It's about THE MESSAGE not the messenger. I weep for America because this simple concept is forgotten or ignored.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:45
#43621
Does it really matter who TD is? To be honest I really don't care and his identity doesn't change the truth of the message. I wish the media would focus more on the message and less on the messenger. But alas I may be asking too much...
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:46
#43623
All 40 of you, please don't tell, don't breathe a clue as to who you are. Please.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:56
#43664
x 100
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:04
#43682
reading ZH is like i'm listening to Happy Harry Hardon run pirate radio out of his basement
keep kicking ass TD
fuck the establishment
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:28
#43770
Finally a commenter who will understand my name as it is one of HHH's signature tag lines! "Talk hard; I like that. I like the idea that a thought can go somewhere uninvited..." Of course the line was inspired by the Eat-me-beat-me Lady. Talkhard everyone!
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 03:13
#44627
TD could be any of the ones who work at ZH.. Next TV call, have another voice do the honors to keep them guessing I think old Max was a little bored on the detailed delivery of the last episode... throw a curve and have a female call in next
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:47
#44081
You're correct. Here's the link for committee membership:
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 10:43
#44735
It is a hoot, and you certainly have gotten under the skin of
MSM. Let the ire continue, it's quite an entertaining spectacle.
On another note, thank god that you revealed there are 40 contributors to ZH. As a financial blogger, I know how hard it is to post 3-4 times a day and work at the same time. I couldn't figure how you guys can rifle off 20 or more a day, and the reading that all that would require. I felt like a mental midget thinking you guys were just one or two folks.Greatly relieved, I feel like less of a mental midget now. :-)
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:47
#43627
Nice ZH...stick to what counts...kick ass content and let your content stand for itself. Those who are looking to identify you are just trying to divert their readers attention away from the fact that their content sucks!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:48
#43630
Tell Elvis I'm a huge fan, will you please.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:49
#43632
I found a picture of Tyler. Sorry to give up your identity.
http://www.fantasymundo.com/galeria/imagenes/vendetta-cine/vendetta-cine...
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:52
#43653
Because ideas are bullet proof.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:14
#43725
Fat white guy is Goldman Sachs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE-OMF-O27c&feature=related
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:49
#43634
So why did the person identified in one of the stories confirm that he is a contributor? Why not "no comment"? Or is "no comment" seen as a tacit admission anyway?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:24
#43754
because, when Romans had defeated the slaves and were searching to crucify their leader....all present said, "I am Spartacus!"
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:27
#43767
Of course we cannot be sure whether he acutally does 'contribute'. Since ZH doesn't comment anyone can claim to write or speak for ZH.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:59
#43836
I guess if I was barred from the financial industry and probably unemployed or under employed I would go:
"Yeah that's it yeah, I write for Zerohedge..."
Sure would help my income potential a little in the near future as I cash my unemployment check...
No?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:50
#43635
well, who was the master @ chartres, beauvais or, to use some mainstream stuff every liberal/american sniffs, notre dame?
in angels we trust
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:50
#43638
Michelle Caruso-Cabrera says anonymity makes it impossible to know whether the content is true.
Just a total logical fallacy. "We need to be able to attack the arguer and not the argument."
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:14
#43724
Michelle is a fucking idiot.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:17
#43740
Michele is a fucking bimbo
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:50
#43965
Michelle Cabrona Cabra...translation Michelle Fucker Goat...lol
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 16:48
#44156
Michele Caruso Cabrera = Boobs
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 16:49
#44157
yes but she is a hot babe. come on, cut her some slack. do we have a choice when it comes to hot babes? :)
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:33
#43787
Now I understand. This is all about world views. They don't belief in concepts like science. If their high-priest says its true than it must be true. No questioning allowed even if the facts are contrary.
I feel reminded of the middle ages.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:40
#43796
Wow, and I thought I was old.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:31
#44064
but I don't look my age.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:45
#43955
Caruso-Cabrera is Larry Kudlow with tits and a nasty streak.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 22:48
#44547
I hear ya, Michelle. So like when Ben Bernanke says recovery is here, like you know, we know who he is, so it must be true.
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 13:59
#44831
The Unknown Comic says MCC should wear a bag over her head and if she was funny we'd laugh. So much for the messenger. The mafia works by the same rules, it's 'who' first, the 'what' we know what we're doing. The truth is for praying for, almost never found on TV with anonymous producers shouting in their ear to stop this and that making sure it doesn't get out.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:50
#43641
Que this:
Zero Credibility.
You should have seen this coming. Do you think you could trash GS and they wouldn't do some digging?
Ok so now Daniel is only one of forty?
Be upfront man. You're acting like a little scared bitch.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:24
#43884
Dude(tte):
Chillax. Of course any and all of us who rely on our anonymity/psuedonymity to tell our side of the story know what's possible, and, likely, in the "long run," inevitable.
If you don't understand that the message is more important than the messenger though, please, do us all a favor and turn back to your TV and enjoy your bubblevision.
We'll be here when you decided you're ready to handle some truthiness in your life.
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 03:17
#44630
they didnt even give joan of arc any slack once she lost her cover... imagine what they would do to Tyler
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:50
#43644
Dick fuld is that you
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:52
#43646
Isn't that the system in place, propaganda spreads via repeaters.
One source ... followed by distribution without fact checking ?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:51
#43647
You go girl....boy.....whatever.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:52
#43651
mouth breathing morons nipping at your toes
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:52
#43652
I'm ZH Spartacus.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:23
#43751
I am Spartacus.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:29
#43773
I'm ZH Spartacus
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:53
#43656
I donated again. Please do not give up
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:54
#43659
Ok, I admit I did Google for every former bond trader named "Nic", before that effort was deemed a wild goose chase.
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 14:01
#44837
'Nic' is huge! You got nothing!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:54
#43660
I hear that ZH is in fact run by the administration; what a better way to control the media than by secretly controlling the opposition. Some even say that he might be Timmy himself using the blog as a way to get back at his step daddy Mr.Goldman-Sachs.
I also heard that Marla was raised by wolves until she was 9, but that seems improbable.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:05
#43689
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:37
#43792
but not on a moonlit night
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:35
#43913
I lol'd
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:07
#43846
Hey Tyler... He called you a Timmie.
Them's fighting words. Of course Tyler could be a Rubin, not just a Rubinite...
Think about it... every one look over here at GS. Takes the clown bound events at Citi right off the radar....
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:43
#43940
No wonder she needs a wash.
Now that I think about it. I've never seen TG and TD together at the same time, coincidence? I think not!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:55
#43662
Who does the MSM claim TD is? I'm curious. Not sure I'll believe it or not but hell does not hurt.
You do a fantastic job anyway so whoever you are won't affect my view of your blog!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:11
#43859
Allow me:
Murdoch's Post right next to some naked pictures of Paris Hilton (sarcasm...)...
"A 30-year-old New Yorker who was barred from the securities industry last year may be behind an increasingly popular financial blog known as Zerohedge.com.."
"Daniel Ivandjiiski, whose most recently listed address is on the Upper East Side, was barred last September by the financial industry's self regulatory authority, FINRA, for insider trading."
http://www.nypost.com/seven/08212009/business/blogger_may_have_a_past_18...
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:28
#43892
Brad Pitt. They did some research and image processing on TD's picture.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 12:58
#43672
Harumph! fvck the traditional media!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:01
#43675
Since the heads on CNBC will probably run here to see what was is said about their recent mentioning of this site, may I take the opportunity to offer some advise.
CNBC - How about some content, some real reporting, and some facts. You are nothing but a bunch of pumpers and shrills for the Wall Street crooks, and most of your viewers know it. That's why we shut you off.
We don't want YOUR opinions on politics, we don't want Kudlow's relentless rants, Cramer's buy, buy, buy regurgitation, or Fast Money's guide to how to lose yours.
How about covering the financial news like you claim to do, and that includes all of it, not just what pleases the Mother Ship or the Banksters.
And fire Dennis Kneale, Missy Francis, Kudlow, and that arrogant Cabrera.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:22
#43878
Hey man take it easy on CNBS, Liesman is in Jackson Hole giving free rimjobs to the fed... er I mean he's doing some serious reporting on the Fed.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:35
#43912
General Electric is in big business-- you know like weapons for NATO
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:03
#43681
DO NOT surrender your identity to no one...
I've been lurking here for the past 6 months gaining as much insight to the fraud and scum we call our political representatives... I'm motivated to learn more from the ZERO-HEDGE head staff about the evil truths coming about...
Stay Safe Zero Hedge and remain below the radar screen under stealth mode...
I strongly appreciate what has been posted as of late...
Sincerely,
Extremely Angry Taxpayer
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:17
#43738
I agree with you AT. As ZH said earlier it is the content that matters. I'd rather be informed and make my decisions rather than one-sided media do that for me. I have been worried about ZH/TD considering how many enemies of this site are out there.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:04
#43683
I am surprised that you would do an interview on Bloomberg or others.
Spoken media is not the same as written.
Once you speak, you lose your anonymity and become a public person.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:07
#43696
What if someone different went out to do the interview, each time?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:07
#43697
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:09
#43702
Sure. I volunteer to do the next one. May you can get Putin to do one too.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:12
#43711
That does explain the prodigious output.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:49
#43961
Please, please, please, can Wallstreetpro pretend to be Tyler and do an interview? I'd pay serious coin to see/hear that one.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:21
#44210
Particularly if the interview is with Dennis Kneale and Wallstreetpro brings his bat to it.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:41
#44069
Attire for interviews.... a bag over your head
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:09
#43701
40 contirbutors and 4 user names? There's room for more... Meatloaf & Jared Leto.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:36
#43919
Marla is stingy with the privs
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:50
#44091
No word from durbin but burris
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:09
#43704
man if that is you, you got screwed! banned for life for making 780 bucks from insider trading! wtf. punishment does not meet the crime on that one.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:13
#43712
meh, I got nothing
Thanks ZH
check that. one of the contributors should be named 'double latte enema'. solid
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:12
#43716
Zorro
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:13
#43718
front runners are always taking the shots from the insecure jerks in the joint. drama alert. hit the ignore button.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:13
#43720
Notice the end of the article in the NY Post states the level of traffic on this site is catching and surpassing several well known financial media sites, that should speak for itself. People from all walks of life want the truth, and it is told right here on a daily basis.
Thanks for all of your efforts, all 40 of you!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:42
#43803
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:02
#43841
Marla,
How many of you are there? I hope none of you are dudes or my faith in ZH will be shattered.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:12
#43863
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:16
#43865
I talked to some chick on the 800 number once. Was that you?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:53
#44094
I was wondering about that.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 16:50
#44160
no, silly. it was some fat chick with a sexy voice.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:15
#44032
I bet you are the most attractive among Marla(s).
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:16
#44203
How do you know which Marla you're saying that to?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:13
#43721
Now, let's see if I get this here...
A said "financial journalist"-- and I use the term loosely-- uses an article from "The New York Post" as the basis of uncovering the identity of "Tyler Durden", and concluding that said webmeister is an unabashed anti-semite for hating on the leader of Goldman Sachs.
All of this, mind you, on a "financial news network"-- and,again, I use the term loosely-- claimed as the most respected in the business world.
Has MSM really come down to this? Really???
It's little wonder why the ratings of said netwrok are going one way, and the web traffic of ZH is going in exactly the opposite direction.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:43
#43939
Love that pic!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:13
#43722
Never ever give up!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:16
#43734
I ve heard the FBI is running a financial fraud e-mail hotline:
whiteflag@zerohedge.com
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:16
#43736
This piece is a take-off on the much more cleverly written story titled, Blue Tulip, posted here a few days ago.
Yellow Flower
I had made a good amount of money from the stock market. I had jumped out just before the bubble burst and my broker buddy disappeared. Now at 55, I have my own little place outside of town. I have a 7,000 square foot garden and plenty of machinery and tools to make it a pleasant hobby. I go to work and come home each day. It is not a great life, but it is mine.
But now I have been invited by a young woman I once knew to a weekend at the beach. She is a city girl about 12 years younger than me. She had been an employee of my broker buddy. In the 1990’s, she would call me occasionally when she was mad at her husband and was looking for someone to help her make his life miserable. It was a time in my life when, if trouble did not follow me home, then I would lasso it and drag it home. I heard they had been divorced for a few years. Evidently she has not adjusted very well to the dating scene.
I had dropped out of the dating scene a long time ago. I had gotten fed up with women standing in my front doorway screaming that I was going to grow up to be a very lonely old man and then slamming the door off of its hinges as they left. What is it with women and slamming doors?
I loaded up my beach stuff. I walked into the garden and told all the plants that I would be back in a few days. I spoke sternly to the tomato plants about setting tomatoes before I got back. The squash got a bath of malethion and I Seven dusted the corn. I set the water timers for the peppers and okra. Man, leaving has gotten to be a major chore. Half the broccoli had flowered and I had 6 giant heads that needed to be cut off and thrown onto the compost pile.
I got this brilliant idea. Why don’t I cut one of the flowered broccoli heads and give it to her; these heads where a foot wide and had over a thousand compacted tiny yellow flowers. So I did. To make things even better, I cut off some of the egg plant flowers and stuck them into the broccoli flower. Then to give it a clever balance, I put some cucumber flowers into the mix. Satisfied with my arrangement, I took off for her place.
I gave her the bouquet and she exclaimed she had never seen anything like it, she loved it. She took the gift into the kitchen while I loaded her stuff into the car. We took off for the beach.
We got to the beach and while unloading the car she found a bag of sand toys I had brought. What is this? I responded they were fort wall sand molds that my grandson played with at the beach. There was also a shovel and a bucket.
2 hours after getting undressed to put on our bathing suits, we headed down to the beach. She brought the sand toys. Shortly after we settled in she began to make walls with the molds. She worked for 3 hours making a fort. When she was done the fort was 4 feet by 4 feet. Complete with a moat, stick drawbridge, and castle. I was thinking that at any moment she would pull Malibu Barbie out of her beach bag. I could tell she was very proud of her work. Unfortunately she built the fort above the high water line.
The next morning at 1 minute past sun up she headed for the beach. The fort was still intact. She made improvements to the fort (coquina floor, shell art, etc) all day. The following morning we packed to go home. She went out to see her fort for the last time. Some kids had stomped it into ruin. She was extremely angry. An anger that only grew more intense on the way home.
We got back to her place and went to the front door. Upon stepping inside the door, a stench that could only be described as dead wet rat hit us in the face like a molding wet washcloth. She began to frantically look under the furniture for the source of the smell. I still could not smell real well having spent 3 days and 2 nights smelling Coppertone and K-Y. I walked into the kitchen. There it was- rotted to the max- the broccoli bouquet. It was no longer yellow and it had dumped a thousand tiny black seeds onto the counter. It looked like a herd of insects had pooped all over the counter. I guess it had flowered longer than I thought before I picked it. She had placed the arrangement into a 20 ounce glass of water. All of the water had evaporated and there was this unusual white film all over the inside of the glass. She entered the kitchen before I could get rid of the problem. She asked, while holding her hand over her nose and mouth, what the heck is that? I explained the broccoli head had rotted. Broccoli head she screamed, you brought me a broccoli head as flowers. And it is full of insects she further screamed. I tried to think of something to say to calm her. I brought up the white film inside the glass and inquired what it might be. In a sarcastic tone that only a woman can deliver, she said, I wanted to put an aspirin in the water for the flowers, but I only take Advil. So I put an old Goody’s powder that I had into the water. My first thought was, I have never heard Richard Petty talk about putting Goody’s headache powder into water for a flower. I responded instinctively with, that makes as much sense as giving a hormone shot to a reptile. I was roughly pushed out the back door. As I walked to my car trying to figure out what had just happened, she hollered from the doorway, do not ever call her again, and then she tossed the glass and all at me, and then slammed the door. I thought, wait a minute, she called me.
I had never been so glad to get home. I went to the garden to check on the plants. The tomatoes had set and everything was good. I turned over the 5 gallon bucket, sat on it next to the pole beans and watched the sun go down beyond the pine trees. It was quiet and peaceful. I thought about the past 3 days. It cost me $600 to end up miserable. Maybe I should start that lonely old man thing tomorrow. What is it with women and slamming doors?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:06
#43847
Oo! Rotten potatoes and rotten onions are also powerful.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:48
#44086
Stick to content and live/die by contecnt. The machine wants to destroy "him".
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:19
#43742
Send the rules to the MSM, they may not be aware of them,
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:39
#43795
BTW, modify Rule 4. Up to 40 guys to a fight, until we get more staff.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:44
#43804
Now imagine your pain as a white ball of healing light,
I don't think so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHWRo5gzxl0
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:20
#43743
It is really funny that Goldman sent the smear squad out and the best they could do with 40 targets is get a weak-ass no admission of guilt FINRA settlement. The kind of thing extracted under duress with the threat of six-figure legal bills and with zero employer support for the employee... for.. wait for it... $700 in supposed insider trading? Best they could do was some hack New York Post chick needing a lesson in grammar? She couldn't even get the story above the trademark fight for "tweet" article on a Friday in August. That is if it is even the right guy which I doubt.
What a joke. Rock on ZH. Wake me when someone finds a manslaughter conviction from 1997.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:20
#43744
More blogs/websites like this will start sprouting up. And thank God for that. Too many very knowledgable insiders got burned over the past year(not that anyone at zerohedge has been burned) and they're ready to talk - tell the masses how things really work. This site will probably have ten times the traffic a year from now if not more. Congratulations! You're on a roll, keep it up!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:21
#43746
TD, do what you know best. All these low life creeps who try to bash you don't have the balls to face reality. They are doing things on a daily basis based on what their cronies/advertisers demand them to say (i.e. CNBC). Your site is the "best".....I cancelled cable b/c of it....keep up the good work....
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:22
#43749
I would like to say, that although I was concerned about the allegations of insider trading when I first heard the story, upon further consideration i have come to my conclusion. A previous poster is correct, all this digging by the M$M can only mean one thing.
Operation Mayhem is in full effect sir. HU-RAH!
Viva la MAYHEM!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 22:29
#44524
Narrator: Why wasn't I told about Project Mayhem?
Tyler Durden: What are you talking about?
Narrator: Why didn't you include me, in the beginning?
Tyler Durden: Fight Club *was* the beginning.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:22
#43750
"Nor do we believe that any amount of author reputation can (or should) be able to prop up a bad piece. We credit our readers with the requisite intelligence and skepticism to do their own fact checking and assign their own credibility ratings to our content."
The above is the most important statement of this posting. While I find ZH informative and a site that instigates much thought, its myopic focus on "the sky is falling" reflects a bias arguably as one-dimensional as MSM's pollyannaish babblings about the economy. Worse, the echo chamber commentary seldom allows for intelligent criticism on the substance of ZH's postings. Such vetting is in my opinion necessary to foster credibility on this most important topic of our day--the state of our economy. That said, this is mostly the fault of a core group of sycophantic followers, but ZH bears responsibility for encouraging this ethos too. ZH would be a far better site if dissenting comments to the predominately "liquidationist" and/or "conspiratorial" views were treated with respect, and ZH postings were argued mainly on their merits not their politics.
Let the brouhaha begin...
Anonymous
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:30
#43777
I am more than open to listen to a fact based argument that somehow justifies current stock market valuations or a rosy outlook for the United States' economic future. Can you provide one?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:31
#43782
I think most postings are argued on both sides around here. The problem is that a lot of the info on ZH is never reported by MSM.
If MSM reported both sides, there wouldn't be a need for ZH.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:45
#43805
If your arguments against ZH stories are valid, post your blog with rebuttals. You should be able to control the dialog as you like on your own blog, right?
Or....if you truly believe your ideas, then post them anyways, if the mob does not agree with you, looks like anonymity will protect you anyhow.
For every angry response, I guarantee you there will be 4 thoughtful readings (if your idea has merit). Such is the nature of all public discourse.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:20
#43873
I agree that the site is somewhat one-sided. But yesterday I posted about an excessively negative headline based on the linked article it referenced. TD acknowledged the point and changed the headline.
I've seen links to a couple or three different blogs or groups that I think are borderline crackpot, but I can look past that and suggest most here can do the same.
As another person has said, if you have a bullish case to make for stocks or anything else that is at odds with the majority view on this site, by all means make it.
I would also suggest that you drop the anonymous and identify yourself by a handle. Other participants can know if they're talking with one or more people and people who see that your posts are good can make a point of looking for them. I don't think that's inconsistent with what ZH says about anonymity, because you're establishing or destroying credibility through what you write, not because of where you went to school or who you work for.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:07
#44189
I have a handle but don't use it anymore for the exact reason that attractor/detractor bias develops for/against a handle. I say this because I'm guilty of the same.
Take even the assumption above that I'm bullish on stocks. Fact is, I never stated such in my original comment.
I do post comments on subjects that I have an expertise in, and/or in which I think I'm adding value to the discussion at some level. I prefer now to do this as "anonymous" because some of my comments are critical of the analysis or of what I believe to be an inherent bias in ZH postings.
I get the banter, but only continue to read comments because of the occasional interesting thought. The best comments in my opinion are those that challenge a ZH analysis and/or provide additional insight to a topic. The boring comments are ones that inanely cheer-on ZH.
My point is that we must be careful to not slavishly seek out analysis which only validates our personal bias--this is too easy and leads to bad investment decisions. The credibility of this site is ultimately based on the integrity of thoughtful critique and commentary.
The industry needs a "Tyler Durden" (there are many problems to expose and fix in this business), but ZH is only going to be a meaningful voice if TD/ZH and its followers are intellectually honest and credible.
Anonymous (and likely to stay that way)
"Your comment has been queued for moderation by site administrators and will be published after approval."
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 09:42
#44697
My point is that we must be careful to not slavishly seek out analysis which only validates our personal bias--this is too easy and leads to bad investment decisions. The credibility of this site is ultimately based on the integrity of thoughtful critique and commentary.
I agree 100%. Seeking out information that validates our position and avoiding or attacking anything that contradicts our opinion is called confirmation bias as you probably know. Commitment bias is also something to watch out for. The more often and emphatically we say something, particularly in writing, the more committed we become to it and the harder it is for us to look at contrary evidence and change our minds if necessary.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 21:29
#44480
Take it from Krugman, global liquidity trap, the world looks like Japan 20 years ago, no idea how to get out of it,
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232/?video=1209893939&play=1
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:24
#43753
You must have struck a nerve in GS/Gubmint/Finra land. Good for you my friend. Wasn't the guy who brought down big tobacco banned by his own industry? Truth always trumps propaganda in the end. Ask the Romans, the Germans, or the Soviets.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:24
#43759
Keep it up! You guys are great and have taught me a lot. Many of us little guys never have access to Bloomberg terminals, or inside desk info that you bring! If it takes 40 of you great! I hope even more join your cause....
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:04
#43760
By the way, TD & Co' not all of the shady finance is located on WS, check out this story:
http://www.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/2009/lr20920.htm
by the way, the rumor was Sunwest Management Inc., has applied for gov bailout funds, the bid was supported by local senator etc and thankfully rejected.
Pretty much the firm was moving money from each of the partnerships it was running into "the mother ship" account...; it has done so for years breaking numerous clauses in partnership agreements, etc. In addition they lowered the entry level for sophisticated investor requirement to 50K.
p.s. It get's better:
"
Sunwest Management Inc.
A lawsuit has been filed and is seeking class action status against the national retirement care operator for allegedly charging for services it has no intention of providing. The lawsuit was filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court and names all 50 Sunwest facilities in the state of Oregon as defendants. The lawsuit claims Sunwest's standard admission agreement misled residents about the number of staff available to provide daily care. It alleges Sunwest understaffed assisted living homes and made a considered decision to promote profit at the expense of their contractual and legal obligations to residents."
have "no idea" why the story has not reached media yet, well SELLING green shootz might be much more... lucrative?
p.s.s. http://www.sunwestmanagement.com/locations.php
E-commerce journal:
"The SEC’s complaint states that Sunwest concealed from its investors the fact that the company was run as a single enterprise with its fortunes tied to the success of hundreds of properties and dependant on future financing ability. According to the lawsuit by June 2008 the project was operated as a Ponzi scheme with the money paid to the older investors from the cash invested by the new customers. The SEC reports that by January 2009, more than 100 Sunwest retirement homes were placed in foreclosure, receivership or bankruptcy."
well, it would be my wild guess, but i am willing to bet that there are hundreds of similar RE,Energy,Etc fraudulent partnerships still standing.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 22:39
#44539
Nice find -- thank you
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:26
#43762
Authorship shows ownership -- People want to know that you are putting your reputation on the line when you write something.
This model (the French model) triumphed over the former English model in the United States because as a free society, we are not worried about retribution from a tyrannical govt.
In time even the English acquiesced and took by-lines (save a few like the Economist that do it b/c their writers are mostly freelancers and the FT's LEX opinion column, which does it b/c many of their straight news reporters contribute to the column and they want to avoid a conflict of interest)
There is no reason for Zero Hedge to remain anonymous -- UNLESS the people contributing have day jobs where they fear corporate retribution -- under that scenario, I can understand - but that is not the case here...
You have nothing to fear in coming out...
But hey, if this is your marketing gimmick and its working for ya, just say it and don't hide behind all this self-righteous crap and degrade financial journalists who insist on be held accountable for their work.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:37
#43793
Freedom can not guarantee protection from the tyrannical or unjust.
Independent actors seek vengeance and destruction on those they deem threatening to their entitlements, ala Dennis Kneale.
Anonymity is just one tool used to thwart such independent actors.
Only the weak stand on reputation to promote their ideas, and only the weak decry a good idea because of another's bad reputation.
The revolution you describe occurred because during the enlightenment, ideas became more powerful than people, kings, and mysticism.
viva la ZH
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:48
#43813
There is no reason for Zero Hedge to remain anonymous -- UNLESS the people contributing have day jobs where they fear corporate retribution -- under that scenario, I can understand - but that is not the case here...
You have nothing to fear in coming out...
Uh... yeah. Whatever.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:51
#43817
Hypocrite? Pot. Kettle. Black.
I started to find your argument interesting, then I saw it was written by "Anonymous" and realized it was simply vapid stupidity.
Identify yourself and I will read your post again and reconsider the merit of your arguments, taking into account your identity, of course.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:20
#43874
My argument is still valid even though I remain anonymous in my posting -- I actually fear retribution as I revealed some information about Pearson - you can do the math -
here is a disclaimer -- I like Zero Hedge! I am a fan, really.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:52
#43820
Funny coming from a poster with an Anonymous moniker.
Which financial journalists so far have insisted on being held accountable for their work?
And ZH--I hope you guys know how to be sufficiently anonymous to handle subpoenas, since that seems to be your weakest line of defense from what I can tell (I assume you've registered the domain name sufficiently anonymously--I haven't bothered checking, because I don't really care)
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:52
#43821
"financial journalists who insist on be[ing] held accountable for their work."
LOL! Oh wow that's is a good one... You're a funny guy anon, now I see why you lurk...
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:56
#43828
Your comment states that "in the United States because as a free society, we are not worried about retribution from a tyrannical govt." This is not the problem.
ZH possibly fears retribution from the corporations that control the government. The smear campaigns will continue.
You also state "UNLESS the people contributing have day jobs where they fear corporate retribution -- under that scenario, I can understand - but that is not the case here..."
And how would you know that Anonymous? Is that you Gasparino?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:01
#43840
Once you remove the paper bag from your visage, dear sir/madam, your argument for disclosure becomes a bit more convincing... You obviously missed some rather significant changes in the range of responses of the power elite ZH sometimes calls to task (govt. or otherwise) in the years/decades/centuries since your examples. And sure, all ZH contributors are unemployed/privately wealthy/useless ballscratchers, none of whom work productive jobs. Also, what in the world is wrong with a novel, rarely tried (let alone successfully executed) marketing gimmick? Last but not least: "financial journalists who insist on be held accountable for their work"??? I can do no better than let that one stand on its own merit. But please do bring some examples of these fine professionals' insistence. And also examples of the fine quality of said reporting.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:48
#43953
When you have the White House encouraging people to report suspicious material to flag@whitehouse.gov, when the media is dominated by small groups of malicious corporations, when people are denounced as 'un-American' due to their opposition to government policies, when innocent people are held for YEARS without evidence or a trial, when billions upon billions are stolen yet no one dare speak of it...
...your 'free society' is closing down.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:27
#43765
Stick to your guns. CNBC is a GE TARP baby. They just mimic the garbage propaganda they get fed.
My all-time favorite was how they kept repeating NYSE floor specialists garbage about how large stocks need specialists @ the NYSE when stocks like Microsoft and Cisco had traded electronically for years. Those morons believe anything they are told.
It was too funny to watch their little victory lap today.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:30
#43774
earth to you fucksters, nobody gives a rats ass who you are
shut the fuck up and keep writing
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:30
#43775
Never ever give up! I will stand shoulder to shoulder with you anytime and i have no idea who you are.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:31
#43780
Dennis Kneale is that you?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:34
#43786
Damn, was it that obvious?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:41
#43798
Dam TD just 1 of you come out please!!!!!!!!!!!! You should be proud
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:45
#43806
Anonymity, 'tis like a warm blanket.
Now if only that damn phone would stop ringing, I unplugged it a long time ago.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:48
#43812
GS 32,000 staff. ZH 40. It's a fair fight.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:38
#43925
GS 32,000 staff.
Not to mention former Goldman partners in senior government positions, former senior government officials who lobby for Goldman (like Arthur Levitt), influential businesspeople with major investments in Goldman (like Warren Buffett) or members of Congress who have received generous campaign contributions from Goldman over the years.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:49
#43815
Hey TD-
Send this guy to your next interveiw...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxSntYtkaao
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:52
#43819
Short term gain, long term pain. Your safe word is Dollar Index. This is Ms. Bank Holiday she's been sharpening her teeth.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:54
#43824
I personally don't care if Daniel Ivandjiiski is one of the posters that is "Tyler Durden". The identity of "Tyler Durden" is not the point here.
The point is this: our government has been lying to us about this financial crisis, and the mainstream media has been complicit in keeping infirmation from us that we need to know. Whether this is because they are too stupid, too lazy, or just don't want to get a hair out of place - I don't know. In the case of CNBC, I fully suspect that GE put the screws to their so-called "talent" after being reamed by Obama's minions, and since they are in to the government for TARP money, they felt they had no choice but to step down. No more Rick Santelli and his cross baiting of Obama's sleazy to the core press secretary on national TV, which I personally enjoyed. Gibbs is a scumbag.
We have been forced to go to the internet and financial bloggers to get information to keep out money safe. Tout-TV doesn't work for us anymore-which is why CNBS's ratings have fallen off a cliff. If the American people want to watch morons yell at each other over money matters, most don't have to roam too far from their own living rooms. If you look at things from that perspective, suddenly the image of Dennis Kneale or Charlie Gasparino berating people endlessly and the tanking of the ratings shouldn't surprise a lot of people. Most knowledgable people have just turned them off, or just put the TV on mute so they can check their stocks and click off to something else. That something else, for the most part, has been blogs like Zero Hedge.
Daniel Ivandjiiski, if indeed a poster at Zero Hedge, if he can be faulted for anything, it's for the violation of the number one rule of Fight Club - You do not talk about Fight Club.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 22:47
#44544
Greater violation of the second rule, if you ask me,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pGV1MBca6k
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:55
#43826
So the corporate news media identified this new Zero-Hedgie as a...
"A 30-year-old New Yorker who was barred from the securities industry...last September by the financial industry's self regulatory authority, FINRA, for insider trading."
Gasp!
If the SEC could not find some minor 30 year old Serbian emigre to prosecute for insider trading...
They might have to look at the massive insider trading by Prince and Rubin at Citi as alleged in the share holder lawsuit and other titans of Wall Street?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:11
#44028
They don't bite the hand that feeds them...For the love of money, JPM knew Madoff was a Ponzi and so did the SEC for more than 10 years!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:57
#43833
"Zero Hedge contributors and staff are not so narcissisticly married to fame that we find it necessary to take credit for our content. Nor do we believe that any amount of author reputation can (or should) be able to prop up a bad piece."
come on... Are you f-ing kidding me!? We all know the facts of a story are in complete and perfect proportion to the broadcasters bra size...
Michelle tits Cabrera...
Erin flapjacks burnett...
Maria mounds Bartiromo...
I'm Bill Kurtis....... and I just found Dennis Kneale's pussy
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:59
#43837
Having just completed a very long (sweaty) walk down Madison Ave,where every 3rd storefront is vacant (but, you can still get $2500 sheets @ pratesi), i wanted to check the state of the market. ZH is the first place I came.
I don't care who Tyler Durden is, i don't ever want to know. The content at this site is why i come, and why i will keep coming back.
I have always adored the way Tyler writes, and the information provided herein. Seriously, that is all that matters.
Tyler, Marla and the rest of the cast, thank you for what you do and how you do it.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:22
#43877
completely agree. just wanted to add that you, lizzy (along with a few regulars), are another reason i come to ZH.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 19:53
#44410
You just "responded" as well as one could to one of the comments in the article...
"
Still, the site has proven unusually popular since its launch in January, according to data from Web traffic data provider Alexa.com.
"
The unusualness of the popularity is pretty evident as you point out.
Pete
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:04
#43843
"Having just completed a very long (sweaty) walk down Madison Ave,where every 3rd storefront is vacant"
See that's what is wrong with you bears, you don't see "pent up demand" when you walk across it.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:06
#43848
"Having just completed a very long (sweaty) walk down Madison Ave,where every 3rd storefront is vacant"
That's the problem with you bears, you don't see "pent up demand for CRE" when you should
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:12
#43861
Well, near as i can tell, there is enough CRE supply in this city to meet at least the next 20 years of demand.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:08
#43853
Anybody a Lawyer here...it's time to have a tribunal for the SEC OTS Treasy Fed ect, for crimes of high treason. The Fed needs to go under the HLS Dept as they know how to stop domestic terrorism.
PS this rally is making me sick
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:15
#43864
Nice work ZH. You have a lot of fans out here. I can't say this for a certain moronic CNBCer who pretends to know something about finance and purports to be a journalist. I am of course referring to Charles Gasbagarumor. His sources that go on the record a simply a bunch of drunks who are angry at their own Wall st failures. His off the record sources (annonymous) are simply tidbits he gets while hanging out at the men's room at Elaine's. This guy must be full of shit - he spends more time on the can that fucking Prince Albert. He gets played lower than the two of clubs. Perhaps a reflection of his academic underachievement and general intellectual deficiencies? I mean guy had a hard time pulling C's at Pace. Got into a training program at UofM and pretends he's got a brain. The Scarecrow had more intelellectual depth. "I broke dat story and dat story and dis news and yous guys don't know jack". You insecurites so plainly manifest themselves. Is that why you nominated yourself for a Pullitzer? You have nothing but anonymous sources (a la made up stories) and then you complain about ZH's anonymity. Fuck you guinea boy.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:21
#43875
Wow FINRA got the Master Criminal Ivandjiiski, too bad they missed that whole Madoff thing-a-mig-jig:
"In May 2005, Ivandjiiski became employed by another firm, Miller
Buckfire & Co. Nevertheless, before the financing deal for Hawaiian
Holdings was announced, he obtained confidential documents that his
former firm had prepared concerning the impending deal. On March 14,
2006, while in possession of that material, non-public information,
Ivandjiiski bought 1000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings for $4.75 a share.
On March 15th, when the new financing was publicly announced, the
share price of Hawaiian Holdings increased 6%, to close at $5.30. On
March 21, 2006, Ivandjiiski sold his 1,000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings
stock for $5.53 per share, for a profit of $780."
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:32
#43903
But that's the beauty of it, they FINRA DID "catch" Madoff -- and slapped a $25K fine on his wrist. For not providing proper documentation of short trades.
See #43691, or just page 2 of the report you are quoting from.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:40
#43933
Yeah and off course thanks to her tremendous investigatory skills the then head of FINRA is now head of the SEC.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:28
#43891
I particularly don't like the implication that there is more than one contributor using the byline Tyler Durden. Having read inconsistent statements on several issues between the different Tyler voices makes it hard to grasp the credibility of any of them. Remember, you may keep talking about facts, but most of the content is really opinions, and the same facts can be used to reach different conclusions by different people.
If you guys don't care about having one voice that's fine, but at least use other aliases besides Tyler Durden, especially in your "front page."
And as I keep saying here, there are no secrets.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:37
#43921
I fail to concur. Are you dense, or simply unable to understand written English?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:44
#43949
The first clue is 'Tyler Durden' - just in case you missed it. Anonymity, multiple people posting under the same nom de plume, etc. is part of the gig here. If that bothers you then you're missing the point.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:07
#44013
The gig here didn't become obvious until recently, and even today is not obvious to people who casually read this site. The "Tyler Durdens" have different knowledge, different personalities and even different perspectives. What's wrong with each having their own alias?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:30
#43896
I find it interesting that in this time of unprecedented and incalculable fraud and robbery at all levels of government and Wall Street that FINRA is spending it's time investigating some gentleman who made a $768.00 profit on a trade by buying 1000 shares of some stock at $4.75 and selling it for $5.30.
Are you freaking kidding me?
Is that really where the "watchdogs" are at?
Is this an appropriate use of taxpayer resources? Madoff anyone?
How would such an insignificant thing even get on FINRA's radar screen?
Something is not quite right with this story.
... sounds like helicopters. UN helicopters.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:57
#44098
here, here!
Sickening to think of all those people Madoff scammed....and even when Markopolis (sp?) <i>directed</i> them to the scam they still didn't (or chose not to) see it.
Then of course there are all those who stupidly invested in that offal known as "mortgage-backed securities" --- who was watching that henhouse?
We're all fucked. It's all rigged. and now? Market Rally?? "the first rule of the ponzi scheme: gain the mark's trust."
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 16:12
#44120
Well, September 2008 was a slow time for the regulators.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:36
#43920
TD, Marla, Andy, Ray,Bruce, PM, RoboT, i have only two quotes for you and the entire ZH staff
" Don't get too cocky my boy. No matter how good you are don't ever let them see you coming. That's the gaffe my friend. You gotta keep yourself small. Innocuous. Be the little guy. You know, the nerd... the leper... shit-kickin' surfer."
"Never compromise. Not even in the face of Armageddon."
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:25
#44219
Cheeky, thank you! :-)
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:37
#43922
"His name was Henry Paulson .."
The real Tyler Durden.
It sounds like a counterintelligence move, shake the tree and see what falls out.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:44
#43950
Charlie Charlie Charlie........ He is shown to be a fraud and a hypocrite and now leaks information to try and discredit others. Guess Charlies "reporting" is taking on a whole new form. Oh and is Denise Neale going bye bye (If so he can go on and say 'look they are calling me denise how clever'...that one is for u Dennis and cya)?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:49
#43962
Ah, the allusions, and predictions of Ender's Game never cease to amaze.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:20
#44042
I was just thinking the EXACT same thing yesterday. Wonder if the ZH crew also liked the book. And if there is a counterpoint to ZH as was "Demosthenes" to "Locke". Or would ZH be "Demosthenes" in this case...? This meta-meta-meta sh%t gets confusing after a couple of derivatives...
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:55
#43976
Hedgehogs vs foxes?
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:56
#43979
I am Sparticus... er.... I.... I.... mean, Tyler Durden....
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 14:57
#43981
There is no such thing as anonymity on the web. Just ask Liskula Cohen and Google.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:03
#44000
We are all Tylder Durden!
Come and get us!
Tyler Durdens of the world...unite and be heard!!!!1
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:04
#44003
Proud to be ZH, thanks....We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day
As ever...may God Bless America.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:08
#44016
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day
As ever...may God Bless America.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:09
#44021
i KNOW WHO YA'RE
YOU THE AZZHOLE THAT JUST COST YOUR READERS THE RALLY OF A LIFETIME
YOU ADMIRE YOURSELVES WAY TOO MUCH
DARE YA TO PRINT THIS, FRAUDS
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:11
#44026
I am Tyler Durden. Well, I would be if I knew the first damn thing about finance. As it is, I'll just comment as, well, me.
I am surprised to learn that there are as many as 40 contributors. TD must do a ton of rewriting from that variety of source material, because the voice of his/her posts is extremely consistent.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:16
#44033
I guess they think you're a joke.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:16
#44035
OK...Tyler...Marla....and the rest of you.
Time to get the shirts out.
I am Tylder Durden!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:16
#44036
I had the 11 to 3 shift on the $2 Pole..WTF happened???
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:17
#44038
I'M SPARTACUS!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:21
#44044
Shirts for everyone!!!
I AM TYLDER DURDEN!!!!!!!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 19:54
#44413
Good one...or, if I may,
I am Zero Hedge
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:25
#44051
ZH is getting props in the comments over on Naked Capitalism
CNBC just keeps digging their own grave while doing their little victory laps
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:29
#44058
>>Is that really where the "watchdogs" are at?
The watchdogs must give the appearance of doing something useful, so they drag small-time (VERY small-time) offenders in for review but let all the big fish do whatever the hell they want.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:44
#44071
To the TD that posted the Guide to the Credit Crisis, Trader, various CRE missives, and illuminating us all on HFT and flash trading... Thanks!
To the TD that posts letters from redneck attorneys, Cliff Asness, and others that raise the hackles of the armchair libertarians... No Thanks, but don't stop. Its what makes the site great
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:45
#44075
According to my sources TD is Dick Grasso...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONDZr840nkg
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:45
#44076
nd i use that loosely) network is taking time to respond to a blog that is raising a lot of questions
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 15:46
#44077
Ritholtz picked it up too:
The Zero Hedge backlash begins: BLOGGER MAY HAVE A PAST My assumption was that everyone had a past — and a present and future too, but my bias is due to my existence in 4 dimensions.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 16:09
#44118
We all know that the MSM is one-dimensional, two at best, hence their constant confusion I suppose.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 16:05
#44116
I have a past too I am Tyler Durden.
TD and the gang, you receive the most flack when you are over the target.
Keep up the work.
Someone is getting nurrrrrrrrrevouuusssssssss
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 16:18
#44129
The funny thing is, when you click on the NY Post article, it gives an ad for...
.... INGLORIUS BASTERDS! :)
Too right.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 16:27
#44138
This is great free publicity for zero hedge. It doesn't matter what they say about zero hedge. As long as they spell the name zerohedge.com correctly, it's all good.
George Orwell
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:02
#44149
Zero Hedge is the ONLY voice in the wilderness that calls attention to the massive stock manipulation going on in this market, and attempts to make sense of the ‘shell game’ going on with the toxic assets. Two areas where CNBC is sorely lacking. I for one, don’t care what checkered past any may have, as long as they keep serving the cause of truth and keep fighting all the ‘firkin’ corruption that is going on.
And regarding any checkered past, CNBC has got to be kidding, right? Cramer was caught on tape, giving lessons on how to manipulate the stock market while an employee of CNBC, in a position most suited for his ‘moonlight career’ as bastard extraordinaire.
Amazing as well, is that Gasparino even has a job, after he has ‘tanked’ the market on several occasions (shades of chicanery). For instance the Goldman “secret meeting” incident -LOL - That one reeked of insider trading, though perhaps not provable, but it did send, Charley on “THE” retraining furlough, where he arose a new "gold" man.
And finally, would someone please explain to these loons the difference between a “Blogger” and the general comments from us in the peanut gallery? That grandmotherly ‘glazed look’ they get is a little disconcerting.
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 17:32
#44963
Well, there's Matt Taibbi, too. At least to a certain extent.
But yeah, beyond ZH and MT ... wilderness.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 16:58
#44166
I am very relieved, it increases your credibility of not being part of the system and decreases the NY Compost credibility (if the story is true, I am very cynical).
This means at least one writer is not with Goldman Sachs (a very good thing), is a target of the financial system (going after a small fish on a trumped up charge), has a chip on his shoulder over the fiasco and will exact revenge (hooray!).
Of course this whole site could be a clever co-opt campaign of controlled opposition, but if you continue to hit them in the mouth on the largest fraudulent activities we will know you are legit.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:20
#44207
It has been a good run, but it is only a matter of time now before zero hedge's ID will be outed. Too much pressure to ID, and human beings are tragically by nature unable to maintain any sense of principal and/or honor, if the price is right. The more zero hedge speaks the truth, the more the pressure builds to ID intensifying their attack on your flank until they are within the wire. I would think to ID now or risk being discredited. The question now becomes how to sustain your principles after being Identified. Keep up the good work.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:44
#44254
Seinfeld could do a show about you. The blog nazi. No more zerohedge for you !!!!
And because I hate hypocrites, censors, and fakes:
www.ZeroHedgeExposed.blogspot.com
I really don't have the time for this so I'll let someone else take it over. See, now you've created a cottage industry.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 17:58
#44274
Tyler Durden is Bernie Madoff blogging from his prison cell.
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 13:53
#44826
Apparently, Madoff's only crime was to veer from the acceptable form of ponzi scheme, to the unacceptable, freelance version of the same thing.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 18:17
#44299
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2009/08/who-is-tyler-durden.html
Doesn't matter to me who "you all" are / or what you have or haven't done yesterday or last year or ten years ago . By the content you write its obvious you are professional and qualified . Insiders on very neat market shennanigans . Good work , keep it up !! Blast away !!
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 19:05
#44365
it's obvious from the writing style that "Tyler Durden" is multiple people.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 20:37
#44443
Fine example of communitas this is. As Chuck Palahniuk puts it,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOWI4jr06ZY&feature=related
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 23:18
#44578
This is a good reminder for me to make another donation.
on Fri, 08/21/2009 - 23:28
#44585
CNBC talks about insider trading and has their "aha!" moment re TD?
Perhaps you "journalists" at CNBC can do a little research and find the many videos of your Cramer admitting market manipulation and other jailable offenses. Maybe you can get an exclusive when the SEC makes the little man do a Perp Walk and sends him off to get a daily buggering at Rahway.
Also, I believe in at least 37 states it is a crime to impersonate a journalist, so I would guess about 95% of you Mouthing Heads over at CNBC (nobody except for shut-ins actually turns on the sound unless Faber or Santelli is speaking) are about to be indicted. Better get your affairs in order. Or maybe I haven't seen it and you are running the same disclaimer that preceeds Jon Stewart's Daily Show: "the reporters are not journalists, the stories are not fact checked, the opinions not well thought out". That might save you.
It must really hurt when a poorly funded, rag-tag operation comes out of nowhere and trounces the self-proclaimed "First in Business Worldwide", the bastard child of yet another failed financial institution (who took down a great manufacturer) that continues to exist merely because of taxpayer largesse. I would think that you lot would be embarrassed to cash your paychecks, or you would if any of you had a modicum of integrity or pride. And if you were in Japan, you would all do the honorable thing and lay the white cloth down at your knees, pick up the sword and...
Hey Dennis, How's that recovery going?
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 00:06
#44601
Dear Tyler and the rest of the ZH crew,
This is bar none the best source of financial information anywhere on the web. Not only for the unique angles and analysis of the usual stuff but also for the story selections. You chose topics the other guys wouldn't touch and you told the truth. That takes huge, brass ones.
That said, you've stomped on some powerful toes. The MAN doesn't like what he sees in this corner of cyberspace. Having Rupert Murdoch, GE, and Goldman Sachs as enemies is obviously not easy feat. The Establishment is retaliating. Watch out for the Gasparinos, the Canadays, and the random hit from anywhere in Murdoch-land. I like what this blog does and we need to start up more of these fight clubs. We need more anonymous space monkeys.
on Sat, 08/22/2009 - 00:09
#44602
I hope you understand that the information in that article was probably not had through "investigative journalism". Often times, companies hire private investigators and then "release" the findings to journalists in need of cash / stories. That little line regarding "last known" address is exactly spook speak.
I hope you understand what you are up against.