Come on now. Do you not realize the US Gov't owns GM. Do you not realize the weak dollar policy helps GM. In a few months, you won't be able to afford any car but a car made in USA. Get with the program...the sales and news flow over the next year will send this stock a lot higher until folks remember they just bought a GM.
Well that leaves GM cars out, since most of their engines, transmissions, and even some actual final vehicle assemblies are being made in Mexico or Canada. You also might look into where the fabulous engines powering such vehicles as the Chevy Equinox and Aveo are manufactured. How about that...China. Yessir, GM is as Amrikan as apple pie!
Oddly enough, if you want a car built by american citizens, you might actually have to buy a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, or BMW...depending on the model. How twisted is that?
The reason I said 24hr's instead of the 5 days which is a safe bet is that I don't think they will make it to 5 days. CNBC is acting like a cheerleader for this stock for the past few weeks and half of their guests or more said that this IPO isn't good to hold long term. Especially like that one Hedge fund guy from yesterday who said to sell and sell right away because he didn't believe in holding in Govt. Motors and it's long term viability. As I said before, this company still have the same problems and they aren't going away. These "paybacks" of govt. money was just GM paying back the govt. with money it borrowed from the govt..
If this stock shoots up to over 40, thats the govt. pumping it up with the help of some MM institutions. If it stays four to 5 bucks above the opening price, the govt. is fighting to push it up with selling happening in great numbers.
I figure it will be longer than 24hrs but less than five days. I don't see this leaky vessel standing for five days afloat but who knows, as much hoopla as it's gotten there could be a lot people with euphoric thoughts who in reality are idiots...who knows.
Just like some of the recent stories about the Fed's money "leaking" to emerging market Corporate ca-pex, so too will Corporate "America" divest themselves of unprofitable centers and reforge their identity on the profitable foreign markets.
GM is a study in the new bankruptcy - shit canning the bond holders overnight, foist all your long term pension and health care obligations on a handful of union hacks soon to retire in Costa Rica and laugh as the taxpayer finances and then takes a lose on the new iPO. GM will sell off the bad US operations to decay with the rest of Detroit and emerge anew with golden streams of China, Brazil and Africa? revenue. One need only look to the Pension Guaranty Benefit Corporation and its continuing yet unspoken meltdown - read Fannie/Freddie part deux cubed - to see where this is heading.
I'm curious if Becky or any of her fellow cheerleaders at CNBC have asked their favorite financial folk hero Warren Buffett how many shares of this IPO he plans to buy.
I had a tough time deciding between 24 hours and never. I have a sneaking suspicion the administration has a strong interest in keeping this turd afloat. OTOH, markets tend to do what markets want to do regardless of what the criminals in charge want. In the end, I decided if the stock price was going to slide, it would happen pretty much right away. If it doesnt slide straight out of the shute, it probably never will. The IPO actually reminds me a lot of Google's for some reason. I was 100% sure that IPO would die a quick death, and I couldnt have been more wrong. So there you go...
Too close to call. A lot of negative sentiment about GM from folks I tend to disrespect but the hype is pretty thick. I wonder more where the cash is going to come from. IMO Treasury crashed the market trying to dump C. In a thin tape, this could be a big pill so swallow.
What is amazing to me is the advertisement that CNBC and Bloomberg has been giving this...all week and all day long today...how great there cars are...how smart the government was...how much the taxpayers are going to get paid back..of course all the numbers are gross numbers....before you take out the selling expenses...and GS does not work for free...just political donations..the memo came down from the Whitehouse on what to do and say...and they are spewing it...snake oil to me..
I've spent 30 years watching the parade of sad American car makers do their best to trip over their own feet.
Government Motors sucks. They can still build some good engines, and bodies, but that is like a girl that has nice lips and feet but can't have babies or write complete sentences.
Cramer...spare me...that tool is a sellout from his head to his little toe.
How transparent and stupid is the financial media in promoting this assonine IPO. This oversubscribed bs and scarcity play to lure in all retail retards. Lets make everyone feel like they CAN'T get in on the great deal.
I had to stop watching a recorded Bloomberg show due to the nauseating GM IPO lovefest couched in a cheesy late-night infomercial format. I turned off the TV, because otherwise I was going to need the mental equivalent of a trash can or bucket next to me if I saw another inane, babysoft question asked. What little respect I had for a couple of the Bloomberg staff just got shredded.
So funny, I was asking myself this same question on my drive to Philly today, then got home and saw the post.
Logic would say 24 hours. But, I'm thinking it could be longer before the big traders and hedge funds get medevil on this stock. Since most of them are recipients of bailouts, (directly or indirectly), they will probably try to play nice until the gov completely liquidates its position. Then the barbarians will storm the gates. I'm thinking I'll get short or buy puts myself just before the gov sells its last lot.
If the FED can walk the SP to 1225 how in the hell is GM gonna fall on its face? This piece of shit is a buy out of the gates for a quick pump and dump. Absolutely no way with all this hype does this thing tank in early trade.
The Hollywood actress with the worst behavior ever (Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton) become the biggest stars.
The Hollywood producers with the absolute worst records who make bomb after bomb (N. Night Shayamalan) can raise money for a new film at the drop of a hat.
The biggest political bimbo (Sarah Palin) is now a legitimate candidate for President.
Just look at Michael Vick in the NFL, now a huge hero.
wouldn't call vick a hero..not really a fan, watched him mountaineer field as he ran amuck..but the man's got game..the rest...not so much in respectful field(s)..gotta give it up to him in that respect..oh yeah, female dogz!
There is lots of money and government behind this IPO. The market cheerleaders will be out in force (as they have already). I expect a huge up market day with the IPO going up as well... Friday and a few days after should be good as well as the little guys get suckered into buying the government motors shares.
It better go down. As a shareholder (via gov) I want to sell our shares high. IF it takes off after the IPO, it means we got too little for our equity and missed out on our reward for the high risk we undertook for the past 2 years.
Just 24 hours isn't a respectable amount of time for the insiders to get out. All of 10 business days and the bagholders will have beaten the insiders out the fire escape. No, five days is right. Not too hot, and not too cool. A Goldilocks IPO only a mother could love. (Quite the mixed metaphor there.)
All you 24hrs guys don't know how this is going to work. While it will eventually be worth zero, it should trade up for a little while. Ever hear of a greenshoe, I mean naked short that can be canceled?
In 1952, Charles Wilson, the head of General Motors and later Dwight D. Eisenhower's Secretary of Defense, uttered the famous quote "What is good for the country is good for General Motors, and what's good for General Motors is good for the country."
One week: If we as a nation could survive it, the first dose of the medicine ought to be administered Black Friday. Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas. Those rugged bastages on the Olden High Western Plains -- they ain't us anymore, or we're not them. Naw, they'll roll this limp old ox through the balance of the year, 'til summer, maybe longer. By then the details, garnered by what few today are paying attention, will be blurred or relegated to a "sense" in lieu of a recollection, and one day the invoice will be forwarded to our box: Congratulations, you are now the proud owner...
10 days my best guess. 33% owned by goverment still even after today. It is very Soviet style company. State run for the benefit of all.
Come on now. Do you not realize the US Gov't owns GM. Do you not realize the weak dollar policy helps GM. In a few months, you won't be able to afford any car but a car made in USA. Get with the program...the sales and news flow over the next year will send this stock a lot higher until folks remember they just bought a GM.
Well that leaves GM cars out, since most of their engines, transmissions, and even some actual final vehicle assemblies are being made in Mexico or Canada. You also might look into where the fabulous engines powering such vehicles as the Chevy Equinox and Aveo are manufactured. How about that...China. Yessir, GM is as Amrikan as apple pie!
Oddly enough, if you want a car built by american citizens, you might actually have to buy a Honda, Toyota, Nissan, or BMW...depending on the model. How twisted is that?
I would expect a gap up in the morning. If there's no follow through in the first half hour it will end the day lower.
The reason I said 24hr's instead of the 5 days which is a safe bet is that I don't think they will make it to 5 days. CNBC is acting like a cheerleader for this stock for the past few weeks and half of their guests or more said that this IPO isn't good to hold long term. Especially like that one Hedge fund guy from yesterday who said to sell and sell right away because he didn't believe in holding in Govt. Motors and it's long term viability. As I said before, this company still have the same problems and they aren't going away. These "paybacks" of govt. money was just GM paying back the govt. with money it borrowed from the govt..
If this stock shoots up to over 40, thats the govt. pumping it up with the help of some MM institutions. If it stays four to 5 bucks above the opening price, the govt. is fighting to push it up with selling happening in great numbers.
The 5 day people a funny. These are the lap dogs and liars.
There is nothing for you allhole, but to lick my balls. And yet
you know this. You still come fore the suck cause asshole Obama says.
Suck it.
1. Look at the ZH poll results.
2. Do the opposite.
3. Make money.
Very astute observation as everybody on the Forum in on the same side of the boat.
Curious IPO price: $33
Sounds like the usual suspects are perhaps signaling 'Never' (?) ...What are the odds?
Could be worth tracking for the influence of HFT propping above that floor 'value'....
Bernanke loves General Motors. Think what will happen if this is not a success.
I figure it will be longer than 24hrs but less than five days. I don't see this leaky vessel standing for five days afloat but who knows, as much hoopla as it's gotten there could be a lot people with euphoric thoughts who in reality are idiots...who knows.
They kept the same symbol GM? Figured they would have gone with UAW.
Just like some of the recent stories about the Fed's money "leaking" to emerging market Corporate ca-pex, so too will Corporate "America" divest themselves of unprofitable centers and reforge their identity on the profitable foreign markets.
GM is a study in the new bankruptcy - shit canning the bond holders overnight, foist all your long term pension and health care obligations on a handful of union hacks soon to retire in Costa Rica and laugh as the taxpayer finances and then takes a lose on the new iPO. GM will sell off the bad US operations to decay with the rest of Detroit and emerge anew with golden streams of China, Brazil and Africa? revenue. One need only look to the Pension Guaranty Benefit Corporation and its continuing yet unspoken meltdown - read Fannie/Freddie part deux cubed - to see where this is heading.
I'm curious if Becky or any of her fellow cheerleaders at CNBC have asked their favorite financial folk hero Warren Buffett how many shares of this IPO he plans to buy.
plusses for that query!
I had a tough time deciding between 24 hours and never. I have a sneaking suspicion the administration has a strong interest in keeping this turd afloat. OTOH, markets tend to do what markets want to do regardless of what the criminals in charge want. In the end, I decided if the stock price was going to slide, it would happen pretty much right away. If it doesnt slide straight out of the shute, it probably never will. The IPO actually reminds me a lot of Google's for some reason. I was 100% sure that IPO would die a quick death, and I couldnt have been more wrong. So there you go...
Just a feeling it will do well initially, markets will rally with this junker for a few days on the hype...
Ditto. I reckoned 5-10 days.
Goat blow IPO
Too close to call. A lot of negative sentiment about GM from folks I tend to disrespect but the hype is pretty thick. I wonder more where the cash is going to come from. IMO Treasury crashed the market trying to dump C. In a thin tape, this could be a big pill so swallow.
What is amazing to me is the advertisement that CNBC and Bloomberg has been giving this...all week and all day long today...how great there cars are...how smart the government was...how much the taxpayers are going to get paid back..of course all the numbers are gross numbers....before you take out the selling expenses...and GS does not work for free...just political donations..the memo came down from the Whitehouse on what to do and say...and they are spewing it...snake oil to me..
Cramer is bullish on this IPO, says GM has bright future.
Is he having a laugh?
OMG
I've spent 30 years watching the parade of sad American car makers do their best to trip over their own feet.
Government Motors sucks. They can still build some good engines, and bodies, but that is like a girl that has nice lips and feet but can't have babies or write complete sentences.
Cramer...spare me...that tool is a sellout from his head to his little toe.
You have to ask? You're joking, right?
How transparent and stupid is the financial media in promoting this assonine IPO. This oversubscribed bs and scarcity play to lure in all retail retards. Lets make everyone feel like they CAN'T get in on the great deal.
All freaking criminals.
I had to stop watching a recorded Bloomberg show due to the nauseating GM IPO lovefest couched in a cheesy late-night infomercial format. I turned off the TV, because otherwise I was going to need the mental equivalent of a trash can or bucket next to me if I saw another inane, babysoft question asked. What little respect I had for a couple of the Bloomberg staff just got shredded.
So funny, I was asking myself this same question on my drive to Philly today, then got home and saw the post.
Logic would say 24 hours. But, I'm thinking it could be longer before the big traders and hedge funds get medevil on this stock. Since most of them are recipients of bailouts, (directly or indirectly), they will probably try to play nice until the gov completely liquidates its position. Then the barbarians will storm the gates. I'm thinking I'll get short or buy puts myself just before the gov sells its last lot.
If the FED can walk the SP to 1225 how in the hell is GM gonna fall on its face? This piece of shit is a buy out of the gates for a quick pump and dump. Absolutely no way with all this hype does this thing tank in early trade.
GM hasn't built anything decent in twenty five fucking years. Their stock may be the only thing worth less than Heli-Ben's toilet paper.
I hope the buyer of Bernie Madoff's boxers can still get in on GM's IPO.
America loves failure.
The Hollywood actress with the worst behavior ever (Lindsay Lohan, Paris Hilton) become the biggest stars.
The Hollywood producers with the absolute worst records who make bomb after bomb (N. Night Shayamalan) can raise money for a new film at the drop of a hat.
The biggest political bimbo (Sarah Palin) is now a legitimate candidate for President.
Just look at Michael Vick in the NFL, now a huge hero.
A successful GM offering makes total sense.
Just look at Robert Rubin
Biggest financial fuck up in the last 25 years...
Just look at "Fat Larry" Summers
If you salted his loafers, he'd put his foot in his mouth and eat it...
Just look at Timmay Geithner
He wets the bed for chrissakes...
Larry is Centerfold-of-the-Year in PIGMAN Magazine.
wouldn't call vick a hero..not really a fan, watched him mountaineer field as he ran amuck..but the man's got game..the rest...not so much in respectful field(s)..gotta give it up to him in that respect..oh yeah, female dogz!
There is lots of money and government behind this IPO. The market cheerleaders will be out in force (as they have already). I expect a huge up market day with the IPO going up as well... Friday and a few days after should be good as well as the little guys get suckered into buying the government motors shares.
It better go down. As a shareholder (via gov) I want to sell our shares high. IF it takes off after the IPO, it means we got too little for our equity and missed out on our reward for the high risk we undertook for the past 2 years.
Just 24 hours isn't a respectable amount of time for the insiders to get out. All of 10 business days and the bagholders will have beaten the insiders out the fire escape. No, five days is right. Not too hot, and not too cool. A Goldilocks IPO only a mother could love. (Quite the mixed metaphor there.)
Markets been heading lower for a while now. It'll be below it by eod.
GM stock ain't going down ever. Even ig GM doesn't sell one car in five years the stock is going up
What happened to hr3808?
All you 24hrs guys don't know how this is going to work. While it will eventually be worth zero, it should trade up for a little while. Ever hear of a greenshoe, I mean naked short that can be canceled?
Every dollar spent on this ipo will require a dollar to be raised from a sale in substution
In 1952, Charles Wilson, the head of General Motors and later Dwight D. Eisenhower's Secretary of Defense, uttered the famous quote "What is good for the country is good for General Motors, and what's good for General Motors is good for the country."
http://brilliantatbreakfast.blogspot.com/2007/04/remember-whats-good-for...
One week: If we as a nation could survive it, the first dose of the medicine ought to be administered Black Friday. Happy Thanksgiving and Merry Christmas. Those rugged bastages on the Olden High Western Plains -- they ain't us anymore, or we're not them. Naw, they'll roll this limp old ox through the balance of the year, 'til summer, maybe longer. By then the details, garnered by what few today are paying attention, will be blurred or relegated to a "sense" in lieu of a recollection, and one day the invoice will be forwarded to our box: Congratulations, you are now the proud owner...
Isn't the daily pomos meant to hold up the market and pump gm? Seems everyone is saying they'll flip this.
I really hope it flops and closes lower day one
If this thing flops day one whole market is f***ed.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/15/gms-ipo-5-reasons-to-avoi_n_783464.html#s182343
The $30 Billion in goodwill marked as an asset (according to the Huffington Post) is particularly worrisome for me.
Not in the near future...check out TSLA. Initial sell off by insiders, etc...then rocket up.
I am quite sure PPT / Ben / Govt., will levitate the stock higher...IMHO
I dont think you fahkers have any idea how much money The Uncle Sam is gonna pour into the markets so this can be BOUGHT UP.
All y our IPO's are belong to us, make your time.
PS: I HOPE GM DIES AGAIN
Anyone out there buying GM vehicles? (other than GE)
1968 Pontiac Firebird with a 455, here. They can keep the new shit...