Did Oakland Police Intentionally Shoot Marine Vet Scott Olsen In the Head?

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Wed, 11/09/2011 - 18:18 | 1863344 Ranger4564
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http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_OCCUPY_OAKLAND_VETERAN_HURT?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-11-05-16-32-07

Kayvan Sabeghi, 32,

The second Iraq war veteran hospitalized after a confrontation at an Occupy Oakland protest wasn't participating in the demonstration when he was injured and arrested, a friend and colleague said Saturday.

Kayvan Sabeghi, 32, had joined in a march the day before but was only trying to get home when he was beaten by police early Thursday, said Esther Goodstal, who co-owns a brewery with Sabeghi in nearby El Cerrito.

Sat, 11/05/2011 - 20:47 | 1849605 howardtlewisiii
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  Yes, a policeman shot him from a very short distance and YES at least 4 or 5 other policemen saw it and are lying to protect the offending officer. The entire lot should be fired and imprisoned for felonious assault and accomplices.

Sat, 11/05/2011 - 20:47 | 1849604 howardtlewisiii
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  Yes, a policeman shot him from a very short distance and YES at least 4 or 5 other policemen saw it and are lying to protect the offending officer. The entire lot should be fired and imprisoned for felonious assault and accomplices.

Sat, 11/05/2011 - 20:46 | 1849603 howardtlewisiii
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  Yes, a policeman shot him from a very short distance and YES at least 4 or 5 other policemen saw it and are lying to protect the offending officer. The entire lot should be fired and imprisoned for felonious assault and accomplices.

Mon, 10/31/2011 - 15:21 | 1829429 johnjb32
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All over this nation, honorable warriors are showing up place their bodies in harm's way. This is what will turn the tide. -- Michael C. Ruppert

 

http://www.collapsenet.com/154.html

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 14:55 | 1826533 Bastiat
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Just looking at that video again--that sailor had some stones--when the police assault started, and before Olsen got hit, the sailor had walked right up to the barricade facing the cops -- not much more than arms length.  That might have saved him--even the most real-world challenged, weapons-ignorant, consensus-biased, MSM-drenched dope might have to acknowledge the shot was deliberate if the muzzle of the weapon was within 2 feet of the victim - which it would have been in his case.

Oakland cops can be rough, the work in a rough town, but this has nothing to do with that. This is a felonious assault, possibly an attempted assassination. We don't know that the shooter was an Oakland cop.  I look forward to finding out. 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 13:08 | 1826347 boiltherich
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Scott is not even 12 feet from the barricade, look at where his feet are from the man right up against the fence, if Olsen is 6ish feet tall that is not even two body lengths distance.  All other thoughts and arguments as to the behavior of the police are irrelevant, they should not have been there in the first place.  Had Madame mayor cunt thought the crowd unsanitary or unduly placing themselves in danger then it was her obligation to meet with the people to address those concerns, which would have included the installation of port a potties or the 24 hour access to one of the city hall restrooms.  A few retired or off duty cops to patrol the situation to assure citizens are not being harmed or threatened would not have broken Oakland, or should I say if Oakland finances are in such shit shape a few extra foot patrols to safeguard the OWS people then perhaps it is time for the town to file bankruptcy.  And anyway they can't claim the city had no funds for the safety and sanitation of the OWS protesters when they were able to find many thousands more to hire 500 cops to come shoot at them.  The protesting citizens had as much right to be there as that whore bitch mayor has to show up at city hall and "occupy" her office.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 14:30 | 1826478 DavidPierre
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The Pig who shot Olsen in Oakland OWS demonstration has been outed...

http://i.imgur.com/mrlqY.jpg

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 16:12 | 1826640 Bastiat
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Scroll down and look carefully at the photo: Bergstressor is HUGE and he also holds a baton - the little guy next to him looks to carrying a short shoulder weapon.

 

http://underthemountainbunker.com/tag/esu-officer-bergstresser/

And I don't know why these guys on underthemountain bunker talk about someone 'throwing" a tear gas cannister.  If you go to the 1st youtube clip at the top of this thread, the one posted by GW, and play it full screen in 1080, about 1:40 in where the narrator says "watch this policeman" you can see the man stand up from his "marksman" position with elbow resting on the barricae, you can see the weapon, and you can see him give an underhand toss of the stund grenade when he gets to the back ranks of the cops (what the narrator is pointing out).  The big thing here to me is not just the grenade but he clearly had a shoulder weapon, which looks very much like a grenade launcher, and he sure looks like he'd been taking careful aim with it, leaning on the barricade.   I'll say it again: assassin, not a hothead.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 15:40 | 1826631 Bastiat
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The cop who backed away from the barricade, then tossed the stun greanade with a surreptitious underhanded flip as he slipped away does not look like Bergstressor to me.  This same guy prior to the grenade toss was leaning on the barricade with his weapon (likey the grenade launcher) as one would taking aim.  He's the guy.  He looks much shorter than Bergstressor who was huge.  Also Bergstressor, being  from the San Francisco Sheriff's Department likely did not know most of the other cops there (from like 15 agencies).  No reason to bring down hell on this guy just because his name was readable, wtf?

The guy acted like an assassin, taking his shot, slipping to the back, then sneakily tossing the stun grenade for good measure.  It won't surprise me if he never gets identified, but I can hope. 

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 15:52 | 1826652 DavidPierre
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In the time honoured tradition of ameriKlan assassinations a 'Patsy' will be used to cover the asses of the Nazi overlords who actually call the shots.  This pig  is as good as any... he will do just fine to sacrifice to the masses as a symbol to be crucified and wash away all  sin.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 16:14 | 1826692 Bastiat
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I hear ya but the 1080 HD video tells no lies.

Sun, 01/29/2012 - 19:26 | 2108181 taxi952
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I know that is not lieing but there is no need for shooting. Ia man it is a shame.To many shooting games for me

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 15:19 | 1826597 Bastiat
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Interesting, we'll see if it's confirmed and who he works for. 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 14:40 | 1824569 besnook
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does anyone know....who shot scott? he needs to be outed and his life made miserable as a message to all cops who might do the same thing.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 15:07 | 1824618 Bastiat
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Who Shot Scott?  Exactly who, what agency (ies) did he work for. Was it a personal decision to point that weapon at a mans head from 20-30 feet away or were there orders?  Did the same guy throw the flashbang at the rescuers?  If not, who did that? 

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Sat, 10/29/2011 - 23:48 | 1825652 thedrickster
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Whomever threw the flash bang at his rescuers should be brought to the Hague.

Whomever fired....well....use your imagination.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:34 | 1824194 Floordawg
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When I first heard of this event in Oakland (knowing a handful of OPD cops personally) I sadly thought, "well that makes sense." As an example, here's some of their handy-work from an anti-war protest in 2003:

http://tinyurl.com/5tv3l24

I know that womans face well because the photo of her massive contusion was proudly placed as a desktop background on one of the OPD cops I mentioned personal laptop computers. I know his laugh well.

At this point, I only hear mention of Scott Wilson in the blogosphere (thanks to ZH), but it needs to reach more Americans. Mr. Wilson, being a 2 tour Iraq war vet fuels this story into quite the powder keg... could it rightfully turn into a Mohamed Bouazizi sized uprising with enough people sickened by the use of force on a peaceful, unarmed man?

We like-minded, justice seeking people can dream... and spread the word.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 12:10 | 1824244 Bastiat
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"Olsen," dawg; Scott Olsen.  Great info and link, thanks.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:19 | 1824175 Strawboss
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Thomas Jefferson (yes - that Thomas Jefferson) wrote:

The tree of LIberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

I believe that current events are exactly what Jefferson had in mind.

The 1% that control this country (financiers, bankers, politicians, etc...) have sold out this country and the ideals it has stood for. They have made a mockery of our Constitution. They disregard our laws. They have no respect for individual citizens or liberty. In their eyes, we are simply cattle that they can exploit for their own greedy purposes.

The 1%ers are guilty of treason. Unfortunately, the system will NOT hold them accountable. If you dont believe me on this, consider this.

In the financial crisis, trillions and trillions of dollars were spent/injected into the system to prevent it from collapsing - much of it needed to counteract the effects of fraud.

You can count on 1 hand the number of people that have been prosecuted as a result of the financial crisis. Thats right. Less than 5. And none of them are even close to senior management of these multinational banks that are responsible for all the problems that we face.

They have taken control of all the insitutions of power (financial, political, media, educational) and they will not relinquish their control without a fight.

Thomas Jefferson was right - and his opinion as a Founding Father of this country is worthy of our consideration and respect.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:09 | 1824164 tim73
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What you except from these dumbasses. American cops usually go through maybe only seven months of training. He or she is not much more than glorified security guard.

In most European countries the training lasts usually 2-3 years and rambos/psychos are taken out in the selection process.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 10:18 | 1826101 moneymutt
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True, I think this lack of professionalism and brutality has been tolerated and allowed because it has been mostly directed at black community.

Imagine the surprise of the OPD when they did to this demonstration the sme thing they have done to black people for decades but got into trouble for it this time. The use of flash bang grenades, disproportionate dumb force, raiding people at 4 am when they are most sleepy, so there is most mayhem and confusion are tried and true tactics used on black community by Oakland PD.

It is no coincidence that the Black Panther Party was born in Oakland. The Black panthers carried legal guns and legally video recorded cops from legal distances in an attempt to stop the unchecked police brutality. Their main focus initially was checking OPD.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:03 | 1824160 hedlykarok
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"When policemen break the law, then there isn't any law - just a fight for survival"       - Billy Jack

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:54 | 1824146 Cman5000
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Most of the mayors ordering crack downs are Democrats... It doesn't matter who you or what party your in or no party.  " Your a threat to the system "

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:36 | 1824122 silverboy hong kong
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Fuck da police!!! So I suggest we all take out a bunch of loans and credit cards...and all default on them...our private bailout bitchez!!!

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:02 | 1824099 Mansizedtarget
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This communist rabble needs to be destroyed along with the bankers. 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:59 | 1824151 hedlykarok
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Then who would be left to run things? The church? God?

Yes, they have such a long and prestigious record of fairness and respect for life.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:00 | 1824097 Mansizedtarget
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I can't say I'm too maudlin about this.  This communist OWS rabble needs to be sorted out.  They're a dead end and a bunch of losers.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:59 | 1824155 hedlykarok
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Unlike you who are so full of solutions.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 09:57 | 1824091 razorthin
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I don't care who you are or what you believe, this is just plain wrong.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 09:37 | 1824075 bill1102inf
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I am a veteran, and also very pissed off. If you are wondering why there has not been more backlash by vets, here is why, we fought an insurgency, we fought folks who blend in with the population very well, just like the police and politicians. We will engage the enemy at a time and place of our choosing, where there is only the possibility of one outcome, our victory.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 09:58 | 1824094 High Plains Drifter
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uh hmm. please explain how this will be accomplished. 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 23:58 | 1825664 thedrickster
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A cursory read of history says the coup is coming.

Why exactly didn't Patreus run for Pres?

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 10:05 | 1824103 bill1102inf
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When you see the police in handcuffs you will start to get an idea.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 11:54 | 1824218 High Plains Drifter
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oh so you believe in the rule of law , i deduce?  hmmmm...........

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 08:09 | 1824006 BorisSDT
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I wish there'd be some blood on the other side of the aisle.

1.) Current politicians - execution
2.) Wall st. bankers - execution
3.) Cops that attack peaceful protestors - execution

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 03:31 | 1823886 swamp
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Occupy Egypt supports Occupy Oakland.

 

http://boingboing.net/2011/10/28/tahrir.html

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 02:36 | 1823857 swamp
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99%
TOO BIG TO FAIL!!

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 02:24 | 1823851 swamp
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Right to bear arms saves right to free speech.

Awesome phoenix ak-15 in action.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkE3GnsLF0w&list=

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 09:55 | 1824089 bill1102inf
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**********MUST WATCH!***************

 

No one is going to shoot a civilian in the face with these guys around.

 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 02:09 | 1823838 geekgrrl
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Thanks GW for yet another informative post.

I can't tell you how heartening it is to see the support of service folk in the OWS effort, and it strikes me as ironic that one the of most flagrant examples of police brutality was directed towards a Vet. I heard Scott is expected to make a complete recovery, so that is encouraging.

The cop should go to prison after being convicted of attempted murder.

This is a weird spot in history. I feel like the military protestors are a better defender of our Constitutional rights than the local goon squads setup to silence all dissent. It's starting to feel a bit fascist here.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 02:01 | 1823828 BarrySoetoro
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Wow.  How convenient that the person being videotaped was the same person - out of all those thousands of people - who got nailed in the head.  And how convenient that this cameraman, who had been paying so much attention to this guy, just happened to miss it when the guy got hit. 
Sorry to shatter your stick-it-to-the-man illusions, but the police were within their rights to ask these people to get the hell out of there.  They told this mob of retards to pack up and go, and they did it several times.  It was a legal order, and the mob defied it.  But things didn't heat up until they started lobbing bottles, paint, and piss at the police.  Guess what?  I don't pay the police to make suggestions to mobs.  I don't pay them to lose street-fights.  I don't pay them to get pushed around by a mob of smelly, malcontent drug-addicts and perennial failures.   If this douchebag was hell-bent on aligning himself with trust-fund revolutionaries, gang-bangers, tweakers, and lippy twinks who pranced over from the Castro, he doesn't have any business complaining about the consequences.  When the police give an order, you follow it.  Doing so will ensure you have the ability - unlike this flake - to walk into the police station the next day on your own two feet and file a complaint.

Maybe GW will get himself the Leni Riefenstahl lifetime achievement in propaganda award for this ridiculous post.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 08:21 | 1824019 DeeDeeTwo
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I just read this post worried about the Olsen Twins. As long as the girls are OK, the Marxist Olsen poseurs can die, baby. 

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 01:09 | 1823774 Milton Waddams
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Here is something that needs to be questioned and answered- just before SO was shot nearly dead blank in the face, some sort of 'grenade' moves from right to left - or from the 'occupiers' position to the police line.  

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/4974/olsenmysterygrenade.png

This looks to be fired from 30-50 feet behind SO and landed well behind the front line of the police presence.  Immediately afterward the police response occurred.  

Who launched it?

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 08:40 | 1824032 Goner
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If you watch the full videos you can see the police are throwing smoke. This is NOT an explosive or irritant and only used to obscure vision. The protesters are picking them up and throwing them back. Questions answered.

There is no excuse for a trained officer to hit a civilian 20 feet away in the face. There is no excuse for a trained officer to toss an explosive device into a crowd of people coming to give medical aid 20 feet away. It breaks several standing orders as well as conventional rules.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 00:29 | 1823718 High Plains Drifter
Sat, 10/29/2011 - 00:23 | 1823709 connda
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I've seen three pictures of people hit with rubber bullets during OWS demonstrations, and everyone of them has been a "head shot".  WTF!  Protect and Serve my ass. 

I think the US is slowly working toward another "Kent State moment" (if you're not old enough that Kent State rings a bell, Google Kent State Shooting that happen on May 4, 1970.  That was a game changer.

Sat, 10/29/2011 - 01:28 | 1823796 Arkadaba
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I know I may be slaughtered for this but for my generation, Kent State did squat. It should have been a game changer but wasn't. I was a toddler when that happend and and since then ... well yeah.

Sun, 10/30/2011 - 00:13 | 1825685 Cathartes Aura
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no junks from me, but I wanted to add that "Kent State" was a game changer for many, in that they "woke up" from the deep myths of this nationstate's history, and began to act accordingly - as individuals, not "loyal amrkns" or somesuch.

the same thing happens everywhere, and is happening even now - individuals absent themselves from the "beliefs" of the herd, withdraw their support, stop waving the flags, dis-appear - it's all we have in the end, our own points-of-views, our own realities, and honour.

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