40% of Americans Are Now Independent. Independents Would Vote for Paul Over Obama

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By Washington’s Blog

 While mainstream pundits desperately cling to their mantra that Ron Paul is “unelectable”, the numbers show a different story.

Gallup finds a record high-high 40%
of all Americans now identify as independents. This is higher than the
31% of Americans who identify as Democrats and 27% as Republicans.

And which candidate do independents like?

According to a new CBS poll, they like Ron Paul.

As Forbes notes:

In a head to head match up with incumbent President
Barack Obama, the indie voter chooses Ron Paul, a CBS News poll
suggested on Monday.

 

A total of 47% of independent voters said they would choose Ron Paul
compared to 45% of independent voters choosing Mitt Romney against
Obama, and 41% of independents saying they would choose Rick Santorum.
If a Paul-Obama showdown were ever to take place, 47% of independent
voters would vote for Paul, 81% republicans and 10% Democrats for a
total of 45% of the vote. Obama would get just 40% of the independent
vote in that contest, with 85% of the Democrats choosing Obama and 9% of
Republicans choosing the President on election day in November.

Admittedly, Forbes notes that – if the general election were held today – Romney could beat Obama, and Paul couldn’t:

Obama would win the general election by a narrow one point margin if the election was held today between the two.

 

However, Ron Paul is not the favorite among conservatives polled.
Romney is the leader there, getting 90% of the conservative vote,
followed by Texas governor Rick Perry at 85%. Ron Paul comes in tied
with Newt Gingrich at No. 4 with 81% of conservatives voting for that
particular candidate.

 

Romney is the only GOP candidate seen beating Obama in November by a two point margin, according to the poll. Paul is in second.

However, given that the CBS poll has a 3% margin of error, Romney and Paul are statistically tied in a match-up against Obama.

And Romney’s Gordon Gekko background is just starting to get air time in this campaign. And watch this short video.

And while I don’t believe that anyone should be discriminated against
based upon their religion, the more protestants learn that Romney is a
Mormon, the less they like him.

So – despite the mainstream’s attempts to sideline Paul as
“unelectable” – I think that once the facts are aired, Paul would do
better against Obama than Romney.

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Thu, 01/12/2012 - 15:01 | 2058946 cranky-old-geezer
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Ron Paul has about 1% chance of being elected president ...if that much.

If by some amazing quirk of fate he were to be electd, he would be shut down on every single thing of any significance by 535 bought-off banker-owned people in congress.

This government is run by a very large gang of CRIMINALS folks.  They have no problem eliminating someone who messes with their power and money.  If RP lived through a term in office I would be amazed.

And yes its all about power and money these days.  They don't give a damn about the constitution.  They don't give a damn about any law. 

But we don't have to worry about RP being offed, because there's no fucking way he'd be elected.  Remember what Stalin said:  Who votes doesn't matter.  Who COUNTS the votes is what matters.

You ignoramuses hoping & praying RP will be elected and "save America" for you (so you don't have to do it yourself) are living in a dreamworld.  I have doubts America-as-we-know-it will survive another presidential term, much less be restored to the constitution by RP or anyone else.

And no, that's not being negative nor defeatist. It's being realistic.  Living the real world, not some fantasy land many of you apparently live in.

Sure, I'd vote for Ron Paul.  Who in their right mind wouldn't?

That's the problem. There aren't many people in their right mind these days.  Certainly not enough to get him elected.

There's just too many people who (a) like those government benefits and / or (b) don't have a fucking clue what's going on in government ...and don't care either. 

They're gonna vote for whoever gives them the best emotional high and promises them the most.  End of story.

One of the greatest achievements in American history ...aside from starting the Fed... was having people at large vote for the president rather than state legislatures like the original constitution said.

Because TPTB know the American people are some of the most ignorant gullible people on the planet, voting with their feelings, not their head, so whoever sways their feelings the best get's elected.

That's how Obama got elected.  Swaying people's feelings better than McCain.  Big smile.  Charismatic.  Good (teleprompter-reading) orator.  Hope and change and all those great sounding empty slogans.

Think Ron Paul can put on a show like that?

Hell no.

You have to be a PROFESSIONAL LIAR and CON-MAN to do that. 

Ron Paul isn't either one of those.

So forget it GW and the rest of you pseudo-patriots out there.  Your man ain't gonna be elected over Obama, no way, no how.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 13:42 | 2058834 paintman
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Another election cycle where we set our expectations low and prepare ourselves to be dissappointed.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 07:45 | 2057668 Raskolnikoff
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Paul should steal more votes from Obama. Who in the world would vote for Barry? Only the most ardent appreciative slave would.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 08:11 | 2057689 Theosebes Goodfellow
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~"Who in the world would vote for Barry?"~

Anyone on the entitlement gravy train. Anyone who would lose out if it ended. Barry Soetoro has the govt. vote. Plus their spouses, plus the Unions, (and their spouses), plus academia, (and their SOs, spouses, lovers, sex toys, etc.). Those aren't slaves, they're teat-suckers.

 

"You take the blue pill – the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill – you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes."

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 05:55 | 2057617 Colonial Intent
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You should try it in britain, the tories (a left wing party) provide buses for OAP's to vote in the elections, entire granny farming units of 100-300 voting tory for an increase in their state pensions.

On a lighter note obama just used all provisions of the laws enacted by John woo, ashcroft and bush2 as he saw fit, guess you can now see why we (the rest of the world) got so worried about bush's legal power grabs.

Patriot act was necessary to preserve the american way of life when bush was in, now obama's in its a socialist conspiracy to deny you your rights?

I like ZH a lot of free thinkers and smart people here, however a lot of posters seem to need a Whaaambulance since the black guy got in.

Get past the right/left paridigm.0

Many a good analysis posted here is ruined by racism, IMHO.

 

P.S.

Any other students of history see the parallels with germany circa 1933?

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 06:29 | 2057631 The Swedish Chef
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"...the tories (a left wing party)...Get past the right/left paridigm"

 

Yeah, you seem to have done just that, haven´t you? 

 

On another note, unless Paul get the nomination, there is no way in hell Obama will lose. Who really likes Romney anyway? 

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 08:08 | 2057645 Colonial Intent
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Thu, 01/12/2012 - 05:34 | 2057607 The Heart
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Obamnutz and Crony Capitalism March-ing off to War

 

A GOOD REQAD FROM THE APFN YAHOOGROUPS:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ctrl/message/142487

 

January 11, 2012

Happy New Year?

FLASH NEWS STORY:

And herein below lies the problem with Mittney and the corrupted election system. It is tainted like this and the people no longer matter because they do not act to matter. The crony capitalism and those who profit from having another war monger at the helm are acting. Here is a story of corruption in action. It is nothing less than the same old bovine excrement! Corruption a la royal.

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-primary-advance-0108-20120105,0,424169.story

And another alarming fact came to light last night. What was sickening as heck to see was in the NH primary, there was the ridicules democRAT numbers of obamanutz still voting for the lying usurping lying warmongering globalist bankster socialist stooge puppet!

http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/primaries/state/nh

WAKE UP PEOPLE!

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THOSE IDIOTS? CAN'T SEND ENOUGH OF THEIR CHILDREN OFF TO DIE FOR THE BANKSTERS AND WAR PROFITEERS? LETS SEND ALL THOSE STUPID BLIND VOTERS WHO VOTED FOR OBAMA TO CHINA FIRST WAVE IF THEY ARE SO HAPPY FOR MORE WAR. THE CHINESE ARE PRESENTLY PREPARING FOR WAR WITH USA! GO GET THEM DEMOCRATS AND MITTNEY VOTERS. YOU WILL GET THE SAME EITHER WAY. WAR WITH CHINA.

Obamney?

Not again!

Another coming vote for the lesser of two evils, one the obama thing, and the portended lesser and intended winner, mittney rom thing?

Same old bovine excrement.

Obamney, or obamney, come see, come saw. It will not matter who steers the ship into the ground nevermore to sail as the USs America again if either of these two cronies are the emperious head-puppet. These two bulls-balls are bought and paid for by the same wall street zionist banksters and war mongering population reductionist elite slop-buckets.

Of course, things could be different. For example, if all you good hearted folks really give heartedly LIKE IT IS THE LAST CHANCE FOR AMERICA to the Ron Paul Campaign so he can get his messages out, and many people are educated about his platform AND VOTE IN THE PRIMARIES AND CACUSES FOR RON PAUL, there is a slim chance we could see a President Paul surrounded with US Marines to be the strong arm of his implementation of the REAL sword of Truth and Justice.

Because the SS works for the IMF/UN/FR treasury, and were fully complicit in the murder of JFK and RFK and Everyone Knows it, they CAN NOT be trusted with President Paul's security. When REAL Justice makes the elder bush talk, we will all know how deep the nazi rabbit hole goes. (Hi Homeland Flunkies of death and destructionous evil!~)-(How's your Gestapo day going?)-(Just wait till the real courts get a hold of you for violations of the Constitutional Law of this Land)-(Remember those who said they were "just following orders" at Nuremberg?)-(You are all encouraged to follow your Heart, and not the easily fooled mind)-> Any three year old knows the difference between right and wrong.

Constant exposure of the profiterious moneychanging bankster MEDIA military industrial war machine and complex assorted minions and outright slop-bucket licking flunky's here and all over the net now will help bring back old America, God, and the Square Foundations upon which this Country was founded. Yes! On the square, and level with the people not only of America, but also the world. The corruption of George Orwell's 1984 madness, Protocols of Zion, and black is white, and up is down world is dead.

Onward all you REAL Soldiers who wield God’s Holy Double-edged Sword of Truth and Justice. It is way past time to house-clean this corrupted chaotic mess. The Force is with you ALL!

Ignorance is not bliss...it is just plain stupid lifeless existence.

BE THE TRUTH!

ROSE KING

Fri, 03/09/2012 - 08:08 | 2057650 Colonial Intent
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Thu, 01/12/2012 - 02:50 | 2057510 nah
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lol i cant decide if i should vote for a fag

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 02:49 | 2057508 nah
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Mitt Romney has the republinazis locked up in 2 weeks

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Obama 2012

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 02:18 | 2057479 e_goldstein
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"Heil Paul!"
or is it
"Paul Uber Alles?"
Sorry, I'm with the boomers on this one.
I can't decide. 

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 00:34 | 2057336 c'mon man
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The Republicans can't corrupt him:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1pY7oSfcmc

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 00:05 | 2057291 Jim in MN
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I was going to write a limerick, but I can't come up with a rhyme for 'waffle'. 
 
Ooooh, yes I can: 
 
There once was a robot named Mitt, 
Whose opponents din't know when to quit. 
They fumed 'Oh how awful' 
While just watching him waffle 
So Ron Paul's got to clean up the shit.

Had to clean that up a bit for the Washington Post website :*)

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 01:16 | 2057410 contagiousNY
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what, 'stop" and "slop"?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 22:22 | 2057061 ??
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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2012/01/homeland-security-moni...

 

 

GW you and ZH did not appear to make the cut along with Alex Jones etc.

but Bird Flu???

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 23:35 | 2057239 covert
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the elections are rigged so it doesn't matter.

http://expose2.wordpress.com

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 23:07 | 2057190 Bear
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Crap ... and my tax dollars go for them to sit around and do what I do for free ... how can I get that job and get paid $87,500?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 23:06 | 2057187 Eireann go Brach
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Could anybody be worse than O'robyofuckingmamma!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 00:05 | 2057292 Row Well Number 41
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Every president and congress we have elected for the last 50 years has been worse then the last, so you decide.  The think speak has been so prevasive for so long the american people don't even know what an honest government should look like.

 

#41

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 22:15 | 2057045 Jim in MN
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So howzabout a little local color.  I give you the local paper in Columbia South Carolina (did you know that this, the biggest city in SC, has fewer than 130,000 people?):

http://www.thestate.com/

I like that in their polling info they list the candidates alphabetically.  Refreshing.

Featured article: S.C. campaigns: Nasty, dark, dirty, ugly, sleazy, bloody, vicious

Also: Ron Paul lands in Columbia with message about reduced government, constitution

 http://www.thestate.com/2012/01/11/2110127/ron-paul-lands-in-columbia-with.html#storylink=cpy

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 14:24 | 2059007 Lednbrass
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Most of the 4 mill some population here prefers to live in the country, if you look at the current populations of the urbanized areas a large chunk are northern transplants or retirees and will make up the core of the Romney support here.

If Paul hammers away hard at the creeping growth of the federal government and states rights/10th Amendment views he could help himself alot, opposing the central government is still a very popular view here.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 22:01 | 2057009 Jim in MN
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A vote for Romney is a vote for violence, both here and abroad.

We are very close now. 

 

Ron Paul: The Speed Bump Between You and Collapse

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 21:46 | 2056967 rosiescenario
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I voted for Ron Paul during the last election....all my friends said that was nut, etc.....and here we are today.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 02:33 | 2057490 fourchan
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we will not be ignored!

if its not paul over those other fucktards im voting twice for obamabeenlaggin.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 21:43 | 2056955 PSEUDOLOGOI
Wed, 01/11/2012 - 21:23 | 2056904 Fartman7000
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If RP doesn't become the President, I say we go take over an already inhabited land overseas and declare ourselves independent from these tyrants. VIVA LA CONSTITUCION

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:59 | 2056822 ilovefreedom
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After Romney gets to the south and LDS coupled with his stripmining history get pumped up watch how fast his poll success errodes amongst "conservative" voters.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:54 | 2056795 JuicedGamma
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I just re-registered as a Repub for only one reason, so I can vote for RP over the twit.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:47 | 2056773 ifishivote
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sorry guys.. I have no problem backing Ron Paul. However if he doesn't get the nod, there is no way I'm writing him in. This guy in office is 100x worse then Romney. My passion in life is Recreational fishing. Do you guys know who Jane Lubchenco is? She was put in charge of NOAA which means she is in charge of fishing. She comes from the environmental Defense fund. Let that sink in. Obama took a person from one of the biggest fishing anti-organizations and put her in charge of fishing.  400k people are employed in the recreational fishing industry. Most of them are middle class Americans. I realize that Romeny is not what this country needs but I can assure you 4 more years of Obama and we wont have a country.  In case you don't care about fishing maybe this will get you to vote Obama out...

 

President Obama is putting plans in motion to give the Commerce Department authority to create an Internet ID for all Americans, a White House official told CNET.com.

White House Cybersecurity Coordinator Howard Schmidt told the website it is "the absolute perfect spot in the U.S. government" to centralize efforts toward creating an "identity ecosystem" for the Internet.

The National Strategy for Trusted Identities in Cyberspace is currently being drafted by the Obama administration and will be released by the president in a few months.

"We are not talking about a national ID card. We are not talking about a government-controlled system. What we are talking about is enhancing online security and privacy, and reducing and perhaps even eliminating the need to memorize a dozen passwords, through creation and use of more trusted digital identities," Commerce Secretary Gary Locke said at an event Friday at the Stanford Institute for Economic Policy Research, according to CNET.com.

Locke added that the Commerce Department will be setting up a national program office to work on this project.

The move has raised eyebrows about privacy issues.

"The government cannot create that identity infrastructure," Jim Dempsey of the Center for Democracy and Technology told the website. "If I tried to, I wouldn't be trusted."

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 21:13 | 2056866 Citxmech
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"This guy in office is 100x worse then Romney."

If Rommney gets elected he will be functionally 100% the same as "the guy in office" because he'd get his marching orders from the same source.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 22:38 | 2057116 Reese Bobby
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And they are called The Global Bank Cartel and The Military-Industrial Complex, among other things.

To the special operatives who junked you:  Matthew 6:14-15

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 21:06 | 2056843 Apocalypse_Now
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I was going to say, "Unbelievable," but after NDAA and SOPA I can't claim ignorance anymore.

Obummer is making "W" look like one of our founding fathers. Sometimes I think about flying away to another country but I don't want to get naked-scanned nor groped by the TSA and harassed by the DHS. Ugh.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 22:49 | 2057148 escargot
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Some of us have flown away already....and trust me the groping and harassment are definitely worth it.  Ain't goin' back to the US any time soon!

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 00:14 | 2057308 A Lunatic
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You are writing from Gitmo I presume?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:56 | 2056804 JuicedGamma
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Don't be surprised when marshal law is declared if the elections go the wrong way.

 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 23:13 | 2057206 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Martial law.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 23:46 | 2057257 Gringo Viejo
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Marshal Dillon.

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 02:36 | 2057495 fourchan
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matt damon

Thu, 01/12/2012 - 03:41 | 2057531 akak
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Martia Law.

Martia Martia Martia!!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 21:47 | 2056971 Harbanger
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Are you saying if he loses, he may declare marshal law?  The crash would have to happen before the election. 

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:47 | 2056771 Yen Cross
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 Does Lunatic Qualify , Rinse / Repeat?      Perhaps it's Insanity?

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:40 | 2056760 A Lunatic
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Who is John Hexilmonaphee.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:50 | 2056778 Yen Cross
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I respect  " loquacious" People!

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:15 | 2056694 Hohum
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The Presidential election will be decided by the least informed and the least interested.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 20:35 | 2056746 besnook
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the bottom half of the class rules the world.

 

that is ron paul's biggest obstacle,

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 23:12 | 2057204 CrockettAlmanac.com
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Never underestimate the desire of the lowest common denominator to want to be in with the in crowd. All the cool kids love Ron Paul.

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 21:21 | 2056898 New_Meat
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"that is ron paul's biggest obstacle,"

or not, might be something else. - Ned

Wed, 01/11/2012 - 19:52 | 2056625 Barbarians_R_Us
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Agree

 

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