9/11 and the War on Terror: Polls Show What People Think 10 Years Later

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Sun, 09/11/2011 - 04:12 | 1655814 The Alarmist
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The war on terror is being fought by the same people who have been fighting the war on drugs for nearly fifty years. Either they are incredibly inept, or they have a vast sinister agenda ... Either way, we, the protected sheep, lose.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 04:12 | 1655813 The Alarmist
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The war on terror is being fought by the same people who have been fighting the war on drugs for nearly fifty years. Either they are incredibly inept, or they have a vast sinister agenda ... Either way, we, the protected sheep, lose.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 18:49 | 1655213 geekgrrl
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"Support for the decision to go to war is highly correlated with beliefs held by substantial and undiminishing minorities that Iraq was providing support to al Qaeda (46%) and either had a WMD program or actual WMDs (47%). Among those with such beliefs, large majorities say the war was the right thing while among those without such beliefs large majorities have the opposite views."

The bigger question is: where did people first get the idea that Iraq had anything to do with al Qaeda, or had WMD's, or was involved in 9/11? Well, it's been known for years now that the "evidence" was manufactured out of thin air by Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld and pals, and sold, lock, stock, and barrel to the American public, with the complete complicity of the mass media. So it shouldn't be too surprising to see "substantial and undiminishing minorities" regurgitating back what they heard on television. Any deviation would be considered heretical. This regurgitating back ridiculous stories is all I ever hear on talk radio, both left and right, so it appears obvious that a big chunk of the population can't really think for themselves, or do even basic fact-checking, instead swallowing wholesale whatever they hear on news outlets that confirm their biases.

The high number of Germans who don't buy the official story is a surprise, though. 90%? I wonder how the coverage of 9/11 differed in Germany compared to the US?

 

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:20 | 1655083 The Heart
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Ten years after...have we learned anything?

Here is an excellent video by AE for 9/11 truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW6mJOqRDI4

http://www.ae911truth.org/

Pass this around folks and especially send it to those who still think some clown in a cave and 19 guys with box cutters outsmarted our 400 billion dollar NORAD defense system.

Also, a big question to ask them is, if fires bring down buildings at the speed of gravity, why doesn't my BBQ or fireplace grill come crashing down at the speed of gravity when lit and on fire for hours and hours?

Who was responsible for 9/11?

http://republicbroadcasting.org/?p=7058

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:37 | 1655013 JW n FL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-yscpNIxjI&feature=relmfu

The 9/11 Chronicles: Part One, Truth Rising full length

 

Project for the New American Century

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century

External links

 

http://metanoia-films.org/index.php

http://metanoia-films.org/psywar.php

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Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:44 | 1655022 JW n FL
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If you dont know how important that PNAC Document (PNAC Document Rebuilding America's Defenses ) is..

watch this.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uT7kcAu4i8

Then you can download the pdf and see for yourself..

 

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:08 | 1654955 Jumbotron
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All you need to know about 9/11 and voting in America is this....

 

If you make friends with and empower devils...don't bitch when they eventually pitchfork you in the ass.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:12 | 1654963 Jumbotron
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Also remember this....

The enemy of your enemy is NOT your friend....he's just another fucking enemy so kill both of them while you're at it.

(What George Patton was thinking when he wanted to march on Russia)

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:48 | 1655027 JW n FL
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYjnWXFTQkM

Patton speech in Los Angeles 1945 and death. Narrated by Ronald Reagan

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:53 | 1655034 JW n FL
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http://www.car-accidents.com/general-patton-car-accident.html

General George S Patton Car Crash Accident
Patton died on December 21,1945 from injuries sustained in a car accident that happened in Occupied Germany on December 9, 1945. The accident occurred one day before Patton was to return to the United States. In one account Patton was riding in a 1939 Cadillac Model 75 with his chief of staff, Major General Hobart R. Gay while being driven by PFC Horace Woodring. Patton was sitting in the back seat with Gay. At some point a 2.5 ton truck driven attempted a left-hand turn towards a side road in fornt of the Cadillac near Neckarstadt, Germany. The Cadillac crashed into the truck throwing Patton violently forward. Patton's head hit a metal partition between the front and back seats resulting in severe injuries. Gay and the driver Woodring were unharmed. Patton was left paralyzed and died of a heart attack or embolism on December 21, 1945 at the military hospital in Heidelberg. His wife came but he wa sunable to speak to her. This is the offical version of the accident and death. There is much speculation that Patton due to his unpopular views and political potential was assassinated by either the USSR or US ( see picture of the crash and more theories below).

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:22 | 1654870 Lord Koos
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45% of Americans think that the invasion of Iraq was a good idea, that's scary.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:19 | 1654866 ozziindaus
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Motives

 

  • Secure oil ($3T/year Global industry)
  • Increase defense spending ($2T/year Global industry)
  • Restore the heroin trade out of Afganistan ($1.7T/year Global industry)
  • Further protection of Isreal through false flag operations (King David Hotel bombing take 2) PRICELESS.

 

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:12 | 1654850 vast-dom
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Uh........doesn't war according to Neo-Keynesian psychos like Krugman, Freidman et. al bolster the economy? So this alleged war on terror actually allowed the administrations to prolong and extend the financial fuckery, zombie banks, toxic assets, and bailouts to the Nth.

 

The "War on Terror" = SucKses$........until  it all catches up to the untenable unsustainable planetary Ponzi $kam. 

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:58 | 1654830 digalert
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At Least the rest of the world see's the USA as an evil state. Propping up murdering dictators or taking out country heads that don't cooperate with the anglo bankster cartel. Hussein, Mubarak, Ghadafi, DSK? to name a few of the latest.

The USA has the Nobel Peace Prize Assassin Obama in charge to spred their democracy. Whether a country wants to submit matters not. They will be persuaded/forced to accept the kumbaya marxist NWO. Life will be grand...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:52 | 1654814 dot_bust
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The Box Cutter Story

The biggest hole in the official U.S. Government explanation for the 9/11 attacks is the box cutter story. Never in all of aviation history has any plane been hijacked by someone using only box cutters. In this instance, the government tells us that men armed only with Wal-Mart box cutters hijacked four passenger planes.

During all previous plane hijackings, the hijackers used machine guns. Why? Because no pilot would be scared enough to relinquish control of a plane to someone who has only a tiny knife.

If you simply hammer away at the government's ridiculous box cutter story, the entire official explanation will collapse like a house of cards.

The Stripping of Security

This is very similar to the most problematic part of the JFK assassination. It's not the physical evidence of multiple shooters that's compelling. It's the stripping of virtually all of JFK's secret service protection that screams for attention. On November 22, 1963, virtually all Presidential security protocals were violated and the President was left unprotected. The government didn't even have to directly participate in the assassination to be complicit. All they had to do to be complicit was to give assassins a clear shot.

On 9/11, NORAD violated basic security protocals, too. They failed to scramble jets in a timely manner when the four planes went off course and failed to hit their mile markets. And, when jets were finally scrambled, they were sent from the wrong bases, bases that were too far from New York.

In addition, the jets didn't travel at top speed -- that is, on afterburners. So, interception became impossible.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:58 | 1655042 blunderdog
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That part that never made any sense to me...unless there's security footage of the events on the planes, how do we know who did it? 

Or how?

Nah.  It's all bullshit, top to bottom.  It's just a matter of prefence which version of bullshit you find most appealing--and basically it's a Rorschach test.  Some folks buy the government story because they hate Arabs and wanted to wage war in the MidEast.  Some folks accuse Israel 'cause they hate Jews.  Some folks think it was a financial coverup 'cause they hate rich folks, or believe everyone involved was a criminal.  CIA?  Sure, blame Cheney 'cause you hate him.

There's more to learn about the individual speaker from their interpretation than you'll learn about the events reading all this stuff.  Any number of possible causes are plausible.  The most zealous and confident speakers are the ones who simply cannot tolerate demonstration of their own ignorance.

I admit I don't know what happened.  I doubt the government story, for damn sure, but I can't draw any meaningful conclusion about what ACTUALLY happened based only on one set of lies.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:38 | 1655014 SuperRay
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The military was involved in Three separate 'operations' on 9/11 - Vigilant Guardian, Vigilant Warrior, and Northern Vigilance.  Part of the operation included putting false blips on radar screens, so when the planes went off course, the ATC's didn't know what was real and what was a part of the operation.  That's why they weren't sure what to do.  And Cheney, in the white house, when asked if "the order still stands" as the plane approached the pentagon, said, "yes, the order still stands. Have you heard anything to the contrary?"  Norman Minetta gave that testimony and confirmed it on several occasions.

It doesn't take a phd from Havard, Yale or Princeton to see this as unimportant and coincidental (on second thought, maybe it does).

The worse part of this whole story is how these arrogant fucks are just getting away with it.  Kill me, but don't insult my intelligence, you obnoxious motherfuckers...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:11 | 1654852 escargot
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Yeah that box cutter thing is almost laughable.  Can you imagine walking into a bank with a box cutter and holding it up and screaming "Everyone on the floor, now!  Give me all the money!"  People would bust out laughing.  Then again, if hijackers cut someone's throat immediately the people would have been so shocked they'd have had a hard time thinking straight.  Who knows.

 

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:12 | 1654717 Tuffmug
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Polls like this and many others show that majority now know they are being conned and sold out by their "representatives".

Unfortunately, they haven't moved toward the Peter Finch " I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!" stage but are stuck in the "I'm powerless!" mode and have surrendered to the belief that voting is futile . See no change till incumbents are crucified at the polls for their sell outs. For starters, will vote against any candidate who voted for or supports the Patriot Act, TARP and the other bailouts, ObamaCare,  or the Iraq War.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 16:01 | 1654940 Jumbotron
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Bad analogy my friend.

Peter Finch (Howard Beale in the movie Network) mad as hell speech prompted the network to develop a new show for Beale who was about to be fired for bad ratings, because his ratings were so high now from the mad as hell message.

Then when his mad as hell message turned against a deal made by the network and a Saudi Arabian conglomerate, Beale had a "come to Jesus" moment with the network owner who told him to preach a new evangel.

Ratings went down and the owner, through a terrorist group, had Beale assasinated on air.

The people are correct....you are powerless and voting is futile.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 17:05 | 1655058 Tuffmug
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Jumbotron,

You must be one of those incumbents I'm going to vote out of office.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:13 | 1654715 malek
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So what exactly has Iraq to do with 9/11? Just the wording of the poll questions is stultification at it's best.

Sorry GW, but these kind of marketing pieces "every / the majority of Americans thinks this or believes that", which are actually more trying to form an opinion than to detect an existing one, well those pieces are completely misplaced on ZH.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:06 | 1654700 mt paul
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fake wars 

that did not need 

to be fought

 

911 was pre planned controlled demolition 

Architects and Engineers for 911 truth

 

AE911truth.org 

science 

physics 

truth

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:34 | 1654626 caconhma
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173 elite troops of the 22nd regiment of the British Special Air Service (SAS) will return home from Libya in the coming days. Losses incurred during the military campaign, the UK Defense Ministry declared unacceptable.  British military expert Peter Beynchli said, citing sources at SAS. 
According to him, "the official casualty figures were not disclosed. But, according to various sources, about 35 troops were killed. " 

 


The greatest loss, according to Beynchli, SAS has suffered during the assault on Tripoli when the SAS helicopter was shot down on the border of Libya and Algeria. 

Note, the training and support of a single member of the regiment, according to experts, cost more than 1 million pounds per year.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:24 | 1654605 tim73
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Americans behave exactly how OBL wanted Americans to behave. Slowly bleeding to oblivion. There is no limit in American stupidity.

Next Republican corn pone freak at White House will finish the "job", collapse USA like USSR. Hold on your US flag, it will be a museum item soon...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:57 | 1654675 Spirit Of Truth
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The USSR didn't collapse, it simply reinvented itself:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/08/bogus-moscow-coup-20-years-...

But you're right about American stupidity, and consequently we're all soon gonna die:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2009/05/russias-secret-war-plans.html

Congratz Moscow!  Tis' checkmate...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:00 | 1654553 laomei
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personally, i'm baking a 9/11 cake for tomorrow's celebration.  following it up with a rousing game of double jenga.  the finale for the night is setting off some leftover rockets made up like airplanes.  9/11, a holiday the whole world can celebrate.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 12:57 | 1654551 nah
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the ME went from unstable-> to war-> to revolt revolution-> future global financial panic

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the petrodollar is one big hog, and asia is far away

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to be honest i think iraq/saddam was the reason for cheap oil... once he was out of the picture oil was on the march to $5... and with saddam around the ME was just insecure

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 12:17 | 1654492 Rick64
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  I found it strange that the U.S. was friendly with Iraq and supported Saddam then he became our enemy and the most dangerous man in the world yet he never attacked the U.S.. What transpired that would reverse our position? Libya and Gaddafi same story. Yet Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are our allies, the countries where the 9/11 terrorists came from as well as numerous terrorist activities against the U.S. within their borders. You must understand that these wars are not about terrorism or protecting you, but are about justifying the aggression they need in order to control just as communism was the reason for so long. Now we are doing business with our old enemies China and Russia.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 12:15 | 1654485 Fix It Again Timmy
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Hell, when you can send the world's most powerful [not necessarily most effective] military halfway across the world to start a war of death and destruction and not have the slightest concern about being held accountable, why would you NOT do it.  It's very exciting, very manly [in today's perverted views], and definitely shows who is the boss.  Diplomacy and concern for the welfare of others is SO boring, so unexciting, and so feminine.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 12:09 | 1654473 Bagbalm
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Remember the Star Trek movie where the Klingon gunner is told to shoot the Federation starship in the engines and disable it?

He puts a round into it and the whole ship disintegrates in a zillion glowing fragments. He shrugs and says: "Lucky shot."

I have always suspected 9/11 was allowed to happen thinking a few offices on two or three floors would be burned out, just big enough to justify a small war, and the guys who engineered it sat looking at the total devastation and said "Oh, shit."

They also likely knew immediately they had not arranged a tight enough cover-up for the unexpected magnitude of the event.

Our grandchildren may find out about what really happened when all the players are dead and gone.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:48 | 1654809 High Plains Drifter
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heck they still don't know what happened to JFK and after ten years, all 911 truth does is argue about how it was done and not talking about who did it? the quickest way to get kicked off of a 911 truth forum is to join up and then for your first question, just say..........what is 911 truth....and then you are gone............biggest bunch of idiot losers i have ever seen and it is the blind leading the blind.......

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:20 | 1654738 sgt_doom
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"I have always suspected 9/11 was allowed to happen thinking a few offices on two or three floors would be burned ..."

And that, bagbalm, is exactly what Rumsfeld, Cheney, the Blackstone Group, AIG and Veritas Capital want you to think --- rather lazily, and sloppily, and never, ever think independently and in an analytical fashion.

Time for Peter G. Peterson's Sesame Street, bagbalm......

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 12:40 | 1654527 TaxSlave
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Love the analogy but building 7 at the very least was not a lucky shot.

My opinion is that just like JFK nobody will ever be able to authoritatively separate truth from disinformation.  Even if the truth cannot be hidden, it can be obfuscated with a zillion contradictory diversions.

What cannot be hidden is the physical facts and the lies about them.  And that's enough for me.  I didn't trust them before they did this!

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:51 | 1654810 High Plains Drifter
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the truth will never come out with most people because they don't want to know the truth..........these idiots will argue with you, even while they are being lead off to a fema camp..............the amerikan people are so stupid now, it is beyond comprehension...........

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:23 | 1654746 sgt_doom
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"My opinion is that just like JFK nobody will ever be able to authoritatively separate truth from disinformation. "

Hate to burst your bubble, TaxSlave, but you might actually exercise those neurons you just may possess and read the following:

David Talbot's, Brothers: Hidden History of the Kennedy Years

and

James Douglass' JFK and the Unspeakable

Plenty of evidence and thanks to those who have followed up on it.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:01 | 1654833 High Plains Drifter
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kennedy's father made a deal with the jews and their money,  that if they got his son elected, he would help them......jfk reneged. he acted independently. i think he made many enemies. one of the enemies he made was the italian and jewish mobs when he lied about helping the right wing rebels retake castro's cuba. at the bay of pigs....., number 2.  he signed into law a executive order authorizing silver certificates to compete with the fed's dollar notes....., number 3. he dragged his feet on helping the israelis in their push to become nuclear and demanded that the israelis comply with united nations mandates and allow united nations weapons inspectors into dimona.....number 4....after the bay of pigs fiaco, he told the cia that he was going to dismember it and destroy it and discontinue it......number 5. the kennedys were rabid catholics. they had their own money and they hated jews. for many reasons. catholics and jews have been at each other's throats for almost 2000 years fighting over who would be the world power, perhaps, who knows exactly on that one... so............he pissed in a lot of cornflakes and therefore he was found to be a problem by many people.  after oswald was captured in that theatre and brought out by the cops into the street, he was heard on the newsreel yelling that he was a scapegoat and that he had been setup........perhaps the situation had dawned on him finally and he realized he was the patsy.....

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:21 | 1654869 Lord Koos
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Thank you for contributing your ignorant prejudices.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 12:07 | 1654471 prains
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Cheney cornered the market on douchium that day in September and has been long human sacrifice ever since. How pure evil was able to ascend to the oval office is as mysterious as 9/11. Look into his eyes and what you see is so creepy it's as if he is saying "I've just diddled your kid and there's not a damn thing you can do about it".

September 11 starts and ends with him, no one else could run a smear campaign on the CIA after the fact an win as convincingly as that. GW
was still trying to find his missing car keys while this all went down. Clueless.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:30 | 1654882 Conax
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While he's culpable, it doesn't end just with him.

Other than that, 100% agree wit you.

cheney has no pulse, he's like the borg, electronically alive.

Now he's publishing a book and trying to act like he gives a shit about his 'legacy'.

Enjoy the pits, dick. Your suite is ready.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:50 | 1654666 aint no fortuna...
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The war ON terror was a lie from day ONE. It was always meant to be a war OF terror, and it was meant to be perpetrated against the American people. Terrified people are malleable people. Malleable people will happily give up some of their constitutional freedoms in exchange for more "protection" from the State for themselves, and more particularly for their children. We fell for this monstrous con hook, line and sinker and we pay a larger price every day that it continues.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 12:07 | 1654470 High Plains Drifter
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPLU4N7gmY4

israhole did 911. they had motive, opportunity and ability to pull this off. now, what are we going to do about it? anything?

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:52 | 1654816 ToNYC
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USS Liberty met the same fate in 1967 during Six-Day War. "When the Truth is replaced by silence, the silence is a lie."

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 12:01 | 1654454 66Sexy
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Not to mention, the investment group that Silverstein was involved in which purchased the lease for the WTC from the port authority had deep ties to Israeli intelligence...

9/11 an inside job? You bet your ass.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 11:52 | 1654434 Shineola
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I do not believe the official version of the 9-11 events.  And of course, I do have my own theories about the powers that were actually behind the attack.   But, lets remember this very important fact!   America is just walking up to the brutal reality that 9-11 has a huge cover-up in the mix of events that dreadful day.   Publicly postulating about, who or whom may have been involved, would be totally counter-productive at this time.  Accusations lacking clear facts, and the clear facts are just beginning to be understood, will deteriorate quickly into infighting and more confusion.   More confusion is exactly what the perpetrators of the crime are hoping for.   Please, do not speculate about who did it.  Only focus tenaciously on how the official explanations fail miserably.   Once the people see that the official version is a very well coordinated lie, the truth of who participated, and who is guilty, will be established for all to see.   And the truth will implicate people from several nations, ethnic backgrounds, religions, and political parties.  

 

It's simple really:  Follow the money. 

 

If you want to reveal the identity of the man behind the curtain remember Frank Baum's model.  Have courage, have a heart, have a brain, and follow the yellow brick road......

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:01 | 1654448 Spirit Of Truth
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You have no idea of, and likely lack the courage to see, the power that perpetrated 9/11:

http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/09/10-years-later-was-russia-behind-911.html

Too bad I'm surrounded by intellectual and moral cowards who can't fathom the truth in their American and Jew hatred....but it is what it is...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:14 | 1654860 High Plains Drifter
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why don't you take your troll droppings somewhere else numbnutts.  you call yourself the spirit of truth?  give me a break...

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