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Admiral: Indefinite Military Detention Of U.S. Citizens Is A Big Win For Terrorists: “The Enemy Is Just Laughing Over This"
Top counter-terrorism officials have said for years that indefinite detention increases terrorism.
As Huffington Post notes today, the indefinite detention bill passed by the Senate last week hands the terrorists a big win:
A measure that Congress will likely pass this week allowing indefinite detentions of Americans by the U.S. military will mark a significant loss in the war on terrorism, says a retired admiral who ran the Navy legal system.
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To Ret. Adm. John Hutson, who was Judge Advocate General of the Navy from 1997 to 2000 and is dean emeritus of the University of New Hampshire School of Law, the idea that the United States is chipping away at one of its fundamental principles of civilian law enforcement is a win for terrorists.
“The enemy is just laughing over this, because they will have gotten another victory,” Hutson told The Huffington Post. “There’ll be one more victory. There won’t be any bloodshed or immediate bloodshed, there’s not a big explosion, except in a metaphorical sense, but it is a victory nonetheless for the enemy. And it’s a self-inflicted wound.”
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Besides Hutson’s 28 years in the military justice system, he counted himself a conservative and Republican who “didn’t vote for a Democrat for dogcatcher” until he became worried about the direction of the country and backed Obama in 2008.
He thinks Obama should be very concerned about the detainee provisions, and explained why passage of them would be a victory for terrorists, who he argued cannot beat the United States on the battlefield. Instead, he said terrorists have to focus their attacks and violence on getting the United States to beat itself. And infringing on its own liberties is a step in that direction, he said.
“In this war, the enemy doesn’t have to win,” Hutson said. “They can cause us to do things we wouldn’t otherwise do, such as indefinite detentions, in the name of fighting a war,” he said, noting that the country has already subjected itself to invasive scrutiny that would not have been tolerated before Sept. 11, 2001.
In the case of the defense bill, the detention provisions would raise key questions about basic legal concepts that have long underpinned guarantees of freedom in America, including the habeas corpus right to contest being jailed and the Posse Comitatus Act passed after the Civil War to limit the military’s role in law enforcement.
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“As it turns out, our enemies’ greatest weakness is that they are bereft of ideals,” he added. “If we can maintain our ideals, our sense of justice, in the face of this, we can win. What the enemy, what the terrorists want to do — because they know they can’t beat us militarily — [is] they can try to change us. They can cause us to become more like them, and for them, that’s victory.”
The reason why, he argues, is that if the United States cannot portray itself as the holder of loftier ideals, then it is much harder to convince the rest of the world to stay on its side — and it’s harder to fight wars because even allies are less cooperative.
“Who’s going to surrender to the United Sates if they think they’re going to be detained indefinitely without a trial? Is anybody going to give up?” he asked. “Who’s going to say, ‘You know, maybe the United States isn’t as bad as we think it is, and maybe it’s al Qaeda and the Taliban who are the bad guys, and I’m going to side with the good guys?’”
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“It’s going to cost lives.” he said, “it’s going to cost a way of life.”
Instead of doing the things which could actually make us safer, virtually everything the Bush and Obama administrations have done actually increases the risk of terrorism in the long-run .
But that's apparently dandy with our civilian leadership, because the so-called "war on terror" (which Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser calls “a mythical historical narrative”) was planned 20 years ago, and many in government consider terrorist strikes to be a “small price to pay for being a superpower”.
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Millions and millions of promises are coming due in ever greater numbers each day. And they cannot be kept. The outcome is fairly obvious. So, measures are being put into place to purposely turn us into a banana republic. At the same time, the police state is being created to both intimidate the public and protect the power elite from the same masses.
It's all about lies and bad governance that are coming full circle.
In a bigger picture perspective, I think it is about the end of cheap-oil, abundant resources, industrial-age growth. With everything we know built on the premise of perpetual growth, even a slowing of the trend (let alone flat or reversal) is enough to cause chaos.
I'll vote for that theory cept we're just a wannabebanana republic
A real banana republic has a warm beach and a 365 day growing season.
I am in Florida. LOL. Bananas as far as I can see. (I actually have bananas in my back yard too).
no wonder you're the expert.
Why not just vote for Ron Paul?
You can vote for RP but the Diebold voting machine will reroute your vote to the candidate the TPTB have already decided they wanted. Sorry serf, we're doing God's work and your in the way.
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Everyone who votes for Ron Paul should vote by PAPER absentee ballot precisely to prevent theft by electronic voting machines
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I realize this may not be possible in certain cases during the primaries, but wherever it is possible to vote by paper ballot... DO SO. This includes the general election, should Ron Paul be a candidate.
Sorry, but if you actually think we are going to get to another election, you are sadly mistaken.
The whole election scam is still being run to keep people from waking to the horrors that are around the corner. When this evil traitorous act passes, it will only be a matter of time, like in March maybe, that we have more war or God forbid, another govt/mosad sponsored terrorist false flag event that will be used to cancel the elections and shut everything down.
So go ahead and play the election game and hope, it is great to think that Ron Paul can actually win. Too bad the babalonian banksters know that and will therefore never allow it to happen.
Got an underground shelter?
"Sorry, but if you actually think we are going to get to another election, you are sadly mistaken."
Heart, what's your crystal ball say about FAZ?
Not sure if any the past elections for some time have been "real." For quite some time it seems the choices have been made for us.
Really, why would they cancel elections in some vulgar display of power that could foment unrest when they can simply manipulate the outcome?
Oh, the screaming ironies....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gideon%27s_Trumpet
Gideon's Trumpet is a book by Anthony Lewis describing the story behind Gideon v. Wainwright, in which the Supreme Court of the United States ruled that criminal defendants have the right to an attorney even if they cannot afford it. In 1965, the book won an Edgar Award from the Mystery Writers of America for Best Fact Crime book.
The name is a play on words, using the defendant's last name and invoking the biblical story in which Gideon ordered his small force to attack a much larger enemy camp. Gideon's army carried trumpets and concealed torches in clay pots. When the call to attack came, the noise and light they made tricked their enemies into thinking that a much larger army was attacking them. Thus, Gideon won the battle with little actual fighting (Judges 7:16-22).
And now the terrorists have taken it away...with little actual fighting. Please read 'Gideon's Trumpet' if you get the opportunity. You will understand much. Gideon wrote a petition from prison in Florida, addressed to the United States Supreme Court. He hand-wrote it in pencil. The results changed constitutional law, human rights, and criminal justice for all time...including the very existence of Public Defenders for the defense of the not-rich...
...at least, it was for all time until a sneaky band of corrupt thieves betrayed America in this defense bill. And the President...well...I will stop there.
The good Admiral doesn't seem to have a clue as to who the terrorists are!
This shit really pisses me off. Authority, my aching asshole of hemmoroids.
When the police state moves in, the suckers in the front lines are going to have a good time.
Operation Occupy Mortuary.
This, is when the government becomes the terrorists.
This is zionist desperation. They may have subverted the corrupt 2 party political system, but they haven't bought the military.
Top Brass needs to speak out before another false flag attack blamed on Iran pulls us into WW3. These "interesting times" are taking a toll on my liver.
So are you suggesting that a military coup is the solution to this so called zionist problem? Haven't bought the military you say? Uh, $3 billion a year in military aid goes through a lot of fingers. Oh and don't hold your breath waiting for a general to speak out against the Zionists. That would mean a man in a high position would name names.
I guarantee that the generals are all as corrupted as the criminals in Congress who determine their commissions. You simply don't get the stars if you don't play on the right team. I can't count the number of good men I watched driven away to dead-end assignments (or retirement, if another promotion isn't going to happen), while the incompetent suck-ups moved higher, and higher.
If we're lucky then somewhere among the lot there's a Smedley Butler. But... I don't operate on luck.
They "hate us for our freedoms"...So...now that we've had our freedom taken away (or should I say we gave it away?)...Does this mean "they" love us now?
"They hate us for our freedoms."
Did Corzine say that today? It would fit.
Nah, not until they've culled the herd to a "manageable" number.
No, now they hate us because we want them to love us. It's one of those dysfunctional relationships.
It is actually a very functional relationship between the police state and "insurgents/militants/terrorists". They need each other and reinforce each other whenever one of them starts flagging.
I have seen this tango go on for years between dictator Ferdinand Marcos and his "maoist" New Peoples' Army. I'm sure others can cite other examples.
It sounds a lot like a Jr. High School romance novel.
I think some people never grow out of that stage. It sort of explains the plots of a lot of bad films and lyrics, drunk phone calls at 2 am and maybe even bad government/economic policy.
most government / economic policy IS based on drunk phone calls at 2am
Well, that explains a lot.
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” ~ Abraham Lincoln
leave it to the military to call it as they see it. my father, a retired captain in the united states navy and i discussed that the republic died the day they passed the patriot act. long live the republic
"... Abraham Lincoln, ...would tell The Big Lie that the Constitution was ratified by "the whole people" and not as it actually was — by the citizens of the sovereign states, with their representatives assembled in state conventions." The Men Who Destroyed the Constitution
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo105.html
“The trouble with quotes found on the Internet is determining if they are genuine” - Marcus Tullius Cicero – 1776
"Lincoln was surely paraphrasing Cicero's much more powerful quote"
Probably. Many of our past leaders were well read, versus the ignorant, sometimes just plain stupid, photogenic bullshit artists and front men we are allowed to vote for these days.
Same quote with better attribution:
"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banners openly against the city. But the traitor moves among those within the gates freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears no traitor; he speaks in the accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their garments, and he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation; he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of a city; he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist." — Marcus Tullius Cicero, 58 BC speech in the Roman Senate, speaking to Caesar, Crassus, Pompey and the Roman Senate.
Not all who are "ignorant" are stupid. They just don't know (yet), and they may learn.
stolen shamelessly !! :-) +1
(<--gives self a down-arrow) Since when is stealing wrong...lol. Everybody is doing it!
Why it's not stealing, it's kinetic asset action.
Quote re-hypothecation
I did not intend to steal it, and would not want to speculate on who would.
+1 down arrow...thought this blog was in pursuit of principles, ethics, morals, and an alternative to the current grand larceny of pretty much everything decent in humanity..
however, as you have come clean and are now primed to express remorse and repent, 1 up-arrow, as forgiveness is golden....and the world needs to start stacking...
Lincoln was surely paraphrasing Cicero's much more powerful quote:
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”
That's a good illustration of why the study of the classics is virtually ABSENT from the educational curriculum.
Classics, Civics, History. Not a focus in American "education" for about 20 years now. It was fading out by the time I left High School, now its gone other than perhaps the most watered down of versions. Even home economics teaching one how to balance household finances including managing debt is gone.
Especially bad when the traitors are at the top...and have been for a long time.
why not just say it? zionism is a cancer that has infected the world.
Indeed!
Me thinks our government has been subverted by dual citizen traitors. Their loyalties are with the country that helped engineer 9/11, and that country doesn't speak Arabic.
Everyone needs to hear Dr. Alan Sabrosky on the subject
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVKGRB3cygg
Wag the dog! We must obey our Jewish masters.
The US has morphed into a gargantuan version of Israel -- both are rogue nations, both are run by rabid, reckless Zionists.
Ten years later and you still have no good names of these engineers you talk about. No emails, no letters, no confessions, no leads, period. You have nothing but your anti-zionism which you equally apply to rainy weather when the weatherman said it would be sunny last night.