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Airplanes Have Been Flown By Remote Control Since 1917
Airplanes have been flown by remote-control since 1917. As Wikipedia notes:
In 1917, Archibald Low as head of the RFC [Britain's Royal Flying Corps] Experimental Works, was the first person to use radio control successfully on an aircraft.
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There were also [during the 1930s] remotely controlled cutters and experimental remotely controlled planes in the Red Army. In the 1930s Britain developed the radio controlled Queen Bee, a remotely controlled unmanned Tiger Moth aircraft for a fleet’s gunnery firing practice. The Queen Bee was superseded by the similarly named Queen Wasp, a later, purpose built, target aircraft of higher performance.
As the Norfolk and Suffolk Aviation Museum notes, President John F. Kennedy’s older brother flew a secret mission involving the remote-control flying of a bomb-laden airplane to attack Nazi targets inside France:
On the 31st July 1944 a U.S.N. special air unit, codenamed Project Anvil, moved to Fersfield from Dunkeswell in Devon. The mission was to involve the use of explosive-laden PB4Y-1 Liberator bombers under radio control. The crew of two, Lt Joe Kennedy (pilot), and Lt. Wilford John Willy (radio control technician/co-pilot), were to take off with 21,150 lbs of Torpex in 347 boxes and establish radio control of the Liberator by a Ventura mother-ship. Once full control was established and tested, at a pre-determined point the crew would parachute from the aircraft through the nose wheel bay emergency exit and the bomber would continue the rest of its mission under radio control, finally crashing onto the target.
In addition, Norad has been able to fly planes remotely for many decades:
NORAD (the North American Air Defense Command) had at its disposal a number of U.S. Air Force General Dynamics F-106 Delta Dart fighter aircraft configured to be remotely flown into combat as early as 1959 under the auspices of a program know as SAGE. These aircraft could be started, taxied, taken off, flown into combat, fight, and return to a landing entirely by remote control, with the only human intervention needed being to fuel and re-arm them.
As Wikipedia explains:
The Semi-Automatic Ground Environment (SAGE) was an automated control system for tracking and intercepting enemy bomber aircraft used by NORAD from the late 1950s into the 1980s. In later versions, the system could automatically direct aircraft to an interception by sending instructions directly to the aircraft’s autopilot.
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In normal operation, communications between the SAGE centers and the interceptor aircraft was relayed via radio equipment at the radar sites, which were more widely spread out than the SAGE centers themselves. A properly equipped aircraft, like the F-106 Delta Dart, could feed the SAGE directions into the autopilot and fly “hands off” to the interception.
NASA and the FAA flew a plane by remote control in 1984:
In 1984 NASA Dryden Flight Research Center and the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) teamed-up in a unique flight experiment called the Controlled Impact Demonstration (CID), to test the impact of a Boeing 720 aircraft using standard fuel with an additive designed to suppress fire.
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On the morning of December 1, 1984, a remotely controlled Boeing 720 transport took off from Edwards Air Force Base (Edwards, California), made a left-hand departure and climbed to an altitude of 2300 feet. It then began a descent-to-landing to a specially prepared runway on the east side of Rogers Dry Lake. Final approach was along the roughly 3.8-degree glide slope.
Indeed, prior to 9/11, remote-controlled planes could fly up to 8,600 miles (from the April 24, 2001 edition of Britain’s International Television News).
One day after 9/11, an article appeared on the top science and technology news service stating “hijackings could be halted in progress with existing technologies, say aviation researchers”. The article quoted a transportation expert as saying:
“Most modern aircraft have some form of autopilot that could be re-programmed to ignore commands from a hijacker and instead take direction from the ground . . . .”
See also this article, in which the former head of British Airways “suggested . . . that aircraft could be commandeered from the ground and controlled remotely in the event of a hijack.”
Some have speculated that remote control played a part in 9/11:
And some allege that the use of remote control could explain some of the strange behavior by the 9/11 planes.
Indeed, more than 40 years ago, the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff suggested shooting down a military drone airplane, pretending it was a real airplane, and then blaming the attack on the Cubans as a way to justify an invasion of Cuba. See the following ABC news report; the official documents; and watch this interview with the former Washington Investigative Producer for ABC’s World News Tonight with Peter Jennings.
Interestingly, NORAD - which is the military air defense agency responsible for protecting the U.S. mainland - had run drills for several years of planes being used as weapons against the World Trade Center and other U.S. high-profile buildings, and "numerous types of civilian and military aircraft were used as mock hijacked aircraft".
And coincidentally, Fox TV aired a fictional drama 6 months before 9/11, in which the U.S. government intended to fly a plane into the World Trade Center via remote control and blame it on terrorists.
Note: While some claim that remote control played a part in 9/11, a separate - but interesting - question, is whether remote control could and should have been used to safely land the hijacked airplanes. Given that Al Qaeda flying planes into the World Trade Center and Pentagon was wholly foreseeable, and hijackings could be stopped using existing equipment, why wasn't the equipment used to stop this type of attack? In other words, why didn't ground control have the ability to override the hijacked airlines to safely land them and take control of the aircraft?
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"Only in America..."
No doubt.
To be followed on Tuesday by Al Gorwell requesting control of your Twitter and Facebook accounts...no, I ain't lyin.
"Would you trust someone else with your Facebook account, giving them enough access to post status updates on your behalf? What if that person was Al Gore and it was all for a good cause?
Yes, the latest frontier in online activism has been breached by Gore and the kids over at the Climate Reality Project, who want you to donate your Facebook and/or Twitter account so they can force your friends to be as active as you are in fighting the Green fight."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/09/al_gore_asks_people_to_donate_their_social_media_accounts/
Only in America...lol.
That global warming cult is truly full of deranged nutjobs.
Remote controlled box cutters bitchez!
Remote control box cutters indeed. The suppossed hijackers had never logged any hours in any plane and made ariel manuevers that make Air Force pilots blush. Which part of the story doesn't stink to high heaven?
My satirical point was...there is no need for a manned hijacking if it all could be done by remote control.
And the planes were hijacked...by muslim fanatics. This is beyond dispute. Passenger eye witnesses and cockpit transmissions confirm it. There is absolutely zero evidence that these planes were piloted by anything other than muslim fanatics when they hit.
And of course, where you and I are concerned, it goes without saying those junks don't belong to me. George however recieved a one from me because its impossible to give a negative 5 for posting this baseless innuendo.
nmewn, an important part of the 9/11 evidence consists of video tape taken all over the airports where the planes departed and at the Pentagon. I know at one of the airports in question there are video cameras everywhere and anybody's journey through that airport can be reconstructed step-by-step.
So where's the video, nmewn?
Whenever you are ready, nmewn.
nmewn, I'd just like to see some of these things with my own eyes. Don't you nmewn?
nmewn, you said:
"Eyewitnesses outside the Pentagon also saw a jetliner hit. With their own eyes. It was not a missile. It was a hijacked passenger jet."
The Pentagon, nearby hotels, service stations, etc all have video cams. Who cares what inherently unreliable eyewitnesses say. Let's see the video for ourselves. What do you say, nmewn?
nmewn?
<sound of crickets>
(Yawns & stretches)
What?
I said "eyewitness". I didn't say jack shit about video...you did. After saying eye witnesses are inherently unreliable...meaning, you're setting up strawmen.
Let me try a strawman of my own.
I like football. But I don't like the football made from puppy skins. Do you?
That's what I thought. A sophist. I don't know if you're are a clown or a coward. Probably both.
We're not disputing that Oswald had a Carcano or that he nailed Senator Connally.
Atta did board the plane, but I am not sure what evidence you have to say he and other hijackers flew the planes considering the Black Boxes were never officially recovered. And there is a need to promote the story of a manned hijacking so to keep the facade. Bin Ladin could not take remote control of the planes.
And once again, Atta nor any of the suppossed hijackers had ever logged any flight hours in any type of aircraft, yet they made aerial manuevers that are nearly impossible.
One came straight in...the other was banking hard and almost missed...meaning, amatuer pilot.
The boarding passes show they all boarded these planes. In flight cockpit transmissions were heard and recorded when they were taken over by these muslim fanatics. Employees & passengers confirm this by communicating with the ground. Some were wounded or killed outright by these nutcases before the planes hit...terrorizing the others into compliance.
Eyewitnesses outside the Pentagon also saw a jetliner hit. With their own eyes. It was not a missile. It was a hijacked passenger jet.
Now, the one in Pennsylvania...the passengers now knew what awaited them...absolute certain death. Some chose to fight and probably die on their own terms...not on terms dictated by fanatical herders...that cockpit voice transmission was picked up as well.
That is how they came to crash themselves first into civilian targets & then into a bonafide military target. They obviously had a raging hard on that no goat could cure for the WTC after they failed the first time with the truck bomb.
There is nothing more to say Lennon...except this one by GW is right up there with some of his worst ones, including the Earth splitting in two because of an oil well...lol.
Seeya
What kind of fanatics again? I didn't catch it the first several times you said it...
Is that like a nervous twitch or something?
Amatuer pilot is a little diferent from never logging any hours. These hijackers never logged any hours. Were they on the planes? I already agreed to that. But there is no way they flew those planes.
And what evidnce do you have about witnesses? The parents of many of the victems on the planes say they did not recognize the voices on the other end of the line. And at the time cell phone service 30k feet up was impossible.
There were witnesses by the Pentagon that said it was not a plane but a missle, and this brings me to the point about why has the videos of the hit on the Pentagon been with held or in one case altered? The hole in the Pentagon showed that the projectile never touched the ground but entered the outer ring right above the ground. That is impossible to do.
The truck bomb was a CIA job, and that has been well documented.
Last time Lennon...
"And at the time cell phone service 30k feet up was impossible."
There are 5,280 feet in a mile. The WTC was around 1,400'. The Pentagon was a tad shorter ;-)
So your witnesses were the ones in the Pentagon, but there were witnesses there that discribed the projectile to look more like a missle than a plane.
A missle that was big enough to house 64 people.
Who have never....been.....seen again.
Ask Ted Olson where he's stashed his wife all these years.
Ask the grandfather of the 3 year old who was on that missle where his grandchild is?
There's a big difference between a warheads impact & a plane crash.
Now I suppose to get around this minor detail, it will be said that the missile didn't carry a payload to make it appear as though it were an aircraft. Which leads to the next logical question of...where exactly did Flight 77's passengers & crew disappear to? Please don't say the Bermuda Triangle ;-)
Believe what you want Lennon.
But I've always said the only conspiracy here was in the government visa process and the Gorelick Wall not being really exposed for what it was. This "wall" I actually support for citizens...but not for foreign nationals here on student or tourist visas.
Right....nmewn.
And all those passengers on every remote-controlled plane are now in that weird worm hole as described in The Langoliers by Stephen King.
You could get those skills with Microsoft Flight Simulator. Accepting that a rag tag but determined group of jihadists did it is more believable than several hundred co-conspirators in our own govt doing it for some unfathomable end.
Why does it have to be our own government? I can think of one in the middle east that would do something like this.
It's easier to bullshit the haters.
Yes, yes, yes . . And building 7 was "pulled". There was no wreckage in philladelphia and not enough at the pentagon. So what do you believe? Make an argument/point. What was it about? Perpetual war? Securing oil supplies? We hate them for their theocracy?
The media attnetion on the deaths rather than the cause is easier to sell.
Thanks for the research about RC planes. The tools used are cool and the motives would be even more so.
Any ideas?
Trans-Afghan Pipeline, bitchez!
PNAC's plans for a new level of global militarization for securing US hegemony are no secret. In which, they openly pined for a "New Pearl Harbor' to be used as a psychological pretext to launch said plan.
Gee, I dunno, maybe the hundreds of billions of dollars in no-bid contracts for PMCs, (re)construction, and weapons manufacturers?
power
Where would America be 10 years later if 9/11 had not happened?
How stable was America economically and financially in 2001? 9/11 created the background for a slew of economic and financial measures, not to mention military measures which are lasting to this date.
Our military is able to pinpoint targets thousands of miles away and send ICBMs across great distance even with the ability to outmanouveur a potential counter measure.
Should we really be that stupid to think the planes of 9/11 could not have been steered remotely?
Then it becomes a question of which is more plausible?
A ragtag troupe of "Arab" guys that had attended flight school once in their lives could take over a jet plane, use the electronics to their advantage and manipulate or disable technology and fly those machines into their targets?
Or that the planes were remotely controlled by "off the shelf" technology that NORAD and other aviation related authorities have used in the past and is accessible by a good hacking authority, ie CIA or MOSSAD?
Not even to mention the other bullshit that was sold to us as "official" and "truth".
You just know when government goes to the extent and ESTABLISHES truth by way of a commission, the result of their findings has to be considered a cover-up. Soviet government lied to their people for decades. The people knew that PRAVDA (Russian for truth) was anything but the truth. Russian people pretended or if they had opportunity, they benefited. American people are much easier to manipulate. Few really accept that they are being lied to. Most are simply too stupified and/or ignorant to even consider any alternatives.
I regrettably admit that I believed the lies for a couple years before digging deeper and accepting that there is not an iota of doubt in my mind that 9/11 was a false flag event, it was a well planned and well orchestrated propaganda effort that took years of careful preparation. The coverage of the event is sickening in the face of so much concrete evidence and the support that Americans are being asked to pledge daily for their country which is run by a fascist oligarchy is a crime.
History WILL mention this and if we're still around in hundreds of years, the oppression of the American people by their fascist oligarchy will be exposed. Real truth has a way of finding its way to the light.
ROTFLMAO !
You guys.....simply hilarious !!! Haven't laughed this hard in days.
You should take these words to heart my foolish, simple minded friend from H.L Mencken, who while being an ass-kisser of that vile Ayn Rand, left us one of the greates and truest quotes ever.....
"Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity."
America was stupid to make a deal with Afghanistan during the 80's when the Right and Reagan was going around saying..."The Commie Man gonna get'cha....the Commie Man gonna get'cha.
America was stupid when Ben Laden blew up the Trade Center the first time and we refused to take out his sorry ass and kill half the population of Afghanistan. and salt the very earth where the poppies are grown for heorin.
America was stupid when all the intelligence was stating something big was in the works such as 9/11, but everyboday in the intelligence world was too busy worrying about there little fiefdom of power and influence.
20+ years of stupidity left such a complex superstructure of bad ideas, false security and inaction that it was just a matter of time for some stinking piles of camel shit to take advantage of this lumbering, sleeping, stupid giant call America.
HHmmmm.......
You know....on second thought....I'll make it through the day better and sleep better tonight if I just believe it was remote controlled jets flown by a shadowing conspiracy of lizard men.
That's it....all better. I feel so mentally superior now that I'm in the Truth clique.
LOL !
Spot on Jumbotron.
And while America is playing checkers in global Real Politik, Russia is playing chess like a grandmaster:
10 Years Later: Was Russia Behind 9/11?
Tragically it's only a matter of time at this point. With the "Arab Spring", the final pieces are being moved into position for our checkmate. And when checkmate comes, the vast, vast majority of sheeple will be utterly perplexed as to where it came from. Yet, the historical evidence has been unfolding for a quarter of a century that no one has been willing to see:
A Quick Review Of Some MISLEADING History
Jumbotron, fair enough. I think you'd agree that a rather large mistake was made on 9/11. So my question to you is "who do you fire/censure/punish/blame?" And by that I mean you tell us, Jumbotron. After Pearl Harbor a General and an Admiral were villified and reduced in rank. As best as I know, promotions were handed out to those in the chain of command.
So again, Jumbotron, who screwed up and what do you think should have been done about it?
"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."
Thomas Jefferson
Jumbotron, your "answer" is a non-sequitor. Don't punk out on me, big guy.
Of course..."It does not follow" (non-sequitor)
That proves a point. None of you are willing to do the very thing that is needed against such a government....such a tyranny...that would do (in your warped opinion) what they supposedly did on 9/11.
The tyranny that we have in the country right this instant....forget about remote controlled planes for a moment....is such that it begs for armed resistance. We have such pervasive tyranny of the likes that it would make even the most moderate of our Founding Fathers....much less Thomas Jefferson....blush with embarrassement much less righteous anger at what we the people have allowed their sacrifice and accomplishment to become.
However....particularly to the "Truthers"....if you truly believe your own bullshit.....if you truly have the evidence of what you claim....ON TOP OF THE ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF DAILY EVIDENCE OF CORRUPTION, ILLEGALITY, TYRANNY AND UNCONSTITUTIONALITY that we have had since 1913....then you have a sacred duty to pick up the gun and try to overthrow this regime by force of arms.
But you Truthers can't even get off your collective asses and protest like the Muslims are doing in just about everyone of their countries. You believe in your TRUTH so much, that you are unwilling to die for it or fight for it with the only thing that has won freedom since the beginning....the force of arms and bloodshed.
Until then.....Truthers and Tea Partiers and Libertarians and Anarchists and Conservatives and every Radio Talk Show host from Rush to Savage to Boortz should shut the fuck up.
You lost me at "shut the fuck up."
No surprise there.
The question, punk, the question.
These are your words are they not?
So my question to you is "who do you fire/censure/punish/blame?"
And these....
what do you think should have been done about it?
My answer again......armed rebellion.
If our government either allowed the terrorists to do what they did for some agenda of control or remote flew these planes into the towers then either way an act of treason was committed and war declared on the people of America,
The only logical and constitutional response to such treason and grave threat to the constiution from a domestic enemy as our government has become is armed rebellion.
There is your answer punk....to your question....punk.
No, no, no Punk-o-tron. Answer the question. A large mistake was made, you said. Who in the chain of command, military or civilian do you blame? C'mon punk-ass. Here's your chance to call them out.
Reagan administration for arming and training the Afghanis and subsiquently Osama bin Laden. Then after their war hounds had taken care of the Russians, the Reagan and Bush Administration for not taking out the hounds and shooting them as you do with dogs who are trained to fight and nothing else.
The Clinton Administration for not taking out Osama on numerous occasions.
The Bush Administration.....well.....what did they do right?
But the real entity to blame is us....the American people.....for givng birth to...raising...feeding....caring for....educating.,,.,training....and ultimately electing these criminals and criminally insane masters of the universe.
As far as punishment.....well.....if we are ultimately to blame for putting these creatures in the halls of power and not holding them accountable for their treasonous and unconstitutional actions by force of arms.....
then I suppose we're getting just the punishment we deserve.
How's that for ya, Punk-o-liscious ?
You're listing a whole slew of apparent mistakes, errors, mismanagement and so on by our officials in government.
Now, we can keep going on and pretend that they all collectively try their hardest and darndest to do the right thing but alas it just doesn't work the way it's supposed to and subsequently America is paying all these expensive prices for mistakes by prior regimes...
OR we can call it all bullshit, man up and declare that we are being had by our own officials. That they lied to us, they continue to lie to us for their own benefit and that they truly and really DO NOT GIVE A FLYING FUCK about you and your 5 kids or me and my 4 kids.
I'm raising my kids to believe the latter and teaching them accordingly. They will probably not want to continue to live in the US for much longer and I can't blame them. Looking myself at a retirement option outside the US.
If I was part of the machine, I could potentially bear it. But I'm not and hate the fact that they keep lying to everyone, keep shoving their lies down our throats and expect us to cheer for their benefit.
Enough!
I'm never going to see Dirty Harry's .44 caliber soliloquy the same way again after we've punked each other so much.
Thanks a pant load.....punk.
You've got no answer. I'm not surprised. You are a punk and a coward.
<Sigh>
Ok...for the folks just now tuning in.....
Go back up two posts.....
Folks....does that look like a list of people to blame?
Did I not answer Bicycle Repairman?
Thank you....glad you agree.
Now...folk...does his answer back to me seem a bit.....defensive.....very quick and short...even childish?
Well....this is a hallmark of someone who just got one of his sacred bovines plugged between the eyes with a bolt gun. Could it be Reagan....Bush the Elder or Bush the Stupid.....could it be "Ah did not have sexual relations with that woman"?
Or could it be I blamed him as part of the American People?
Maybe I struck a nerve when I called out all the Radio Bitch Show hosts (and that's what they are...they don't talk...they incessently, impotently bitch never once looking in the mirror to see if maybe they and their audience are really the problem).
Maybe good ol' Bike Fixer-Upper knows intuitively what I said is true......if you are not willing to pick up the gun and defend the constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic and right now....most if not all of our enemies ARE domestic and reside in Washington DC and Wall Street, then you just need to shut the fuck up.
And he is not willing. Or he is just too stupid to know that that is what is called for. As least as described and proscribed by non other than the author of the Declaration of Independence...the founding document of the reason of our desire for... and right to.... freedom. Thomas Jefferson. The same Thomas Jefferson who knew that it only takes about 20 years or so....a political generation...before the whole mess gets so corrupted, so entrenched....so dangerous to the freedoms of man....that it takes violent and bloody revolution to refreshen the tree of liberty.
We have let the tree go without the blood of refreshment since at least the Grant administration, but particularly since 1913. I see no reason we will not go another 100 years or more without doing so.
You see....it's easy to romanticize about freedom. So easy to forget how we obtained it. What...in Thomas Jefferson's opinion....and had been proven thoughout history....is needed to preserve it and take it back once it has been taken away, even if by our own people.
But nobody wants to pick up the gun that is needed to take it back...because nobody wants to face the truth that we are so corruptable that after 20 years or so we have to start the whole thing over in violence and bloodshed just to reclaim and secure our freedoms.
Which should beg the most disturbing question of them all. If Thomas Jefferson is correct...and history seems to bear this out, not to mention what is happening in our country right now.....then is there really any hope of ever attaining our utopian dreams of freedom and that shining city on the hill?
Or are we in the Matrix of human savagery, never to get out...and only for the briefest of moments are allowed the tantilizing hope that we can...through high ideals and through the zeal of a few people who take up arms to win those high ideals....somehow achieve a status that is long lasting (say a millineum or two...if not forever) and more than just savages with the occasional high ideal?
Folks....does this seem like an answer to you? Does to me too.
I know....it's contains more words than "You've got no answer. I'm not surprised. You are a punk and a coward."
But it is an answer.....just not the one you wanted to hear...Bikey boy.
Well punk?
Where are you?
You going to do somethng about your massivly evil government who perpetrated 9/11 and murdered thousands of its own citizens?
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Hello Punky Brewster Bike Repair-tard?
You got the balls to pick up the gun? You have the right and the duty to defend the constitution agaisnt such domestic evil. So go on with your bad-self.....no.....easier to bitch and moan and believe conspiracy theoriies and get your panties in a wad when someone calls out your bullshit than to defend this nation against such evil.
Whose the punk and the coward now?
Go back to sitting in your basement drinking beer and stewing in your fucktard conspiracy theories and pretending to be a real American.
Why bring up your brainiac kids? Is that supposed to prove theirs and your intelligence? Bernanke has a phd so you must also believe he is intelligent?
That's not an HL Mencken quote. It's usually attributed to Napoelon Bonaparte but the source is also considered unknown.
However this actual Mencken quote is quite appropriate:
The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
H. L. Mencken