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American, British, Israeli and Iranian Warships Sailing Towards Confrontation

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The U.S. and Israel are conducting their largest-ever joint warfare exercises near Iran. And see this.

England is sending its most advanced ship – the HMS Daring – to the region.

Only days after finishing its last wargames in the Strait of Hormuz, Iran has announced another set of wargames in February.

 

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

 

Looking behind the headlines:

  • The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neocons who pushed for war against Iraq. See this and this.
  • The U.S. has been claiming for more than 30 years that Iran was on the verge of nuclear capability (and the U.S. apparently helped fund the Iranian nuclear program.)
  • The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950?s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.   Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh says that the Bush administration (and especially Dick Cheney) helped to fund terrorist groups within Iran (see confirming articles here and here). And the New York Times, Washington Post and others are reporting, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey – who all said that the terrorists were going to get us if we didn’t jettison the liberties granted under the Bill of Rights – are now supporting terrorists in Iran.
  • The war against Iran has already begun. See this, this and this.

What could possibly go wrong?

 

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Tue, 01/10/2012 - 00:41 | 2049095 howardtlewisiii
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Newt, Sanatorium, Perry, Bush43, Bush41, Obummer, Rush, all have the same problem. Whenever a situation ariises where soldiers are in danger, wearing sweaty uniforms, alone, sharing their inner most secrets, praying for safety, all the blood leaves their heads and goes someplace else instead staying in their brains for remedying the problem in the confrontation ASAP.

  Dr. Ron Paul for president. The Healer. No more leather boys for president.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:57 | 2045366 Raskolnikoff
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Hi George, do you remember Sen John Kerry begging us to go to war with Iraq after 9/11? I do, as most Democrats called for the bombing of Iraq back then. Damn those neo-Cons, they know no political boundaries. 

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:36 | 2045794 the grateful un...
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we can do it better... (that is fuck up Iraq)

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:43 | 2045429 Bob
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It seems that about 40% of dims in both the house and senate voted for the iraq war resolution. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

Don't worry, most of the nays have since been rehabilitated to the fascist standard. 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:44 | 2045347 Hey Assholes
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The lunatics are running the insane asylum. We are fucked.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:44 | 2045114 barkingbill
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doesn't his career achievements lend his claim some respect? Seymour (Sy) Myron Hersh (born April 8, 1937) is an American Pulitzer Prize-winning investigativejournalist and author based in Washington, D.C. He is a regular contributor to The New Yorker magazine on military and security matters. He has also won two National Magazine Awards and is a "five-time Polkwinner and recipient of the 2004 George Orwell Award."[5]


He first gained worldwide recognition in 1969 for exposing the My Lai Massacre and its cover-up during the Vietnam War, for which he received the 1970 Pulitzer Prize for International Reporting. His 2004 reports on the US military's mistreatment of detainees at Abu Ghraib prison gained much attention.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:35 | 2044956 GoinFawr
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Flashback!

From "Moral Majority":

"...You're planning for a war with or without Iran. Building a police state with the Klu Klux Klan (Blow it out your ass Trav666-Ed.) Pissed at your neighbour? Don't bother to nag, just pick up the phone and turn in a fag!" -DK's in what? 1981?

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:28 | 2044945 financial apoca...
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Seymour Hersh says many ideas have been proposed for provoking a war, including building boats that look like Iranian boats, and then putting Navy Seals on them to “start a shoot-up”.

its shit like this that makes me doubt this article. who the fuck made this Seymour Hersch the Iran source for covert navy seal operations.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:53 | 2044849 ozziindaus
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I've said it many times before and I'll say it again. This is all about redistributing power and handing the baton onto the next Anglo imperial colony, Canberra. 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:43 | 2045342 Dugald
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Stone the Crows and Starve the Lizards...what the hell are you smoking sport?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:39 | 2044811 JuicedGamma
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WWIII?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:16 | 2044759 Holden Caulfield
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We will not have liberty nor will the world be safe until 9/11 is re-investigated.

The future is now. Be prepared.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:33 | 2045324 Hey Assholes
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As The great Yogi said: "The future ain't what it used to be"

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:13 | 2044747 Fozzy Slippers
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Assassinations are way over due. Counsel of 13. Committee of 300.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:04 | 2044715 flight77
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The USA will be the first fachist country were people need long time to understand that they live in a facsist country.
When the first people will disapear from the streets in the neihborhood some might start thinking, but than it is already  too late. Treason will be rewarded. Mistrust nursed. Disinformation and Propaganda 24/7. The thoughts of the people twisted into strange forms of an empty Nationalism in a Country which is divided in itself. I am from Germany and I studied our history in depth. You have no idea how simple and effective the control of the people was realized.
They made the drunkard Postman chief of the District SA in Frankfurt . This fucking Postman knew a lot about many people. Whe he was just a Postman people joked about him and didn´t take him serious. Than, all of a sudden people were struck by fear of this guy
Hitler was financed by the big cooperations hoping for future profits. It is exactly like the Duce pointed it out:
"We should not use the term Fascism. Let us call it Cooperatism. What is Fascism but the perfect cooperation between state (government) and cooperations". If I listen to these candidates of the GOP, I listen to pocket fascists (with some exceptions like Paul and Huntsman). To bloody Oportunists, and Krugman and Bernanke don´t get tired to emphasize, how WWII took the US out of the Depression. War, the great healer. That is Goebbel´s dialectic.

Since 450 years Persia has attacked no other country. But your bosses in Israel are planning and conducting Wars every year. The US has a budget to destabilize Iran. That´s for me Fascism. Since the 1950s the US is creating Shit in the whole Middle East. It would make much more sense to invest in a future with much less cars and much less fossiles, into education a.s.o. May be the US will win the War against Iran after killing millions of people. But the US will have lost any credibility and most sympathies and will be worn out. Most empires died from overstretching and corrupt elites. 
The whole of Maghreb (Marocco, Tunesia and, Algeria) was owned by 7 roman families. When the empire asked for taxes, they refused to pay. So the Empire had to reduce it´s Legions, because they couldn´t pay the soldiers. That weakened the borders and the Roman empire died. And all these unbelievible families died with it.

May be you should talk tacheless to your unshakable friends. But so, some might get the impression that the US Army is the Foreign Legion of Israel. The first one, who doesn´t get paid but fined.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:01 | 2045026 Dapper Dan
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Please forgive the long post but I feel it is necessary and relevant.

Matthew Hoh’s resignation letter 16th November 2009, 10:27 pm by Stan

(Distribute widely. Obama’s WAR IS NOT THE ANSWER either.)

Ambassador Nancy J. Powell
Director General of the Foreign Service and
Director of Human Resources
U.S. Department of State
2201 C. Street NW
Washington, D.C. 20520

Dear Ambassador Powell:

It is with great regret and disappointment I submit my resignation from my appointment as a Political Officer in the Foreign Service and my post as the Senior Civilian Representative for the U.S. Government in Zabul Province. I have served six of the previous ten years in service to our country overseas, to include deployment as a U.S. Marine officer and Department of Defense civilian in the Euphrates and Tigris River Valleys of Iraq in 2004-2005 and 2006-2007. I did not enter into this position lightly or with any undue expectations nor did I believe my assignment would be without sacrifice, hardship or difficulty. However, in the course of my five months of service in Afghanistan, in both Regional Commands East and South, I have lost understanding of and confidence in the strategic purposes of the United States’ presence in Afghanistan. I have doubts and reservations about our current strategy and planned future strategy, but my resignation is based not upon how we are pursuing this war, but why and to what end. To put simply: I fail to see the value or the worth in continued U.S. casualties or expenditures of resources in support of the Afghan government in what is, truly, a 35-year old civil war.

This fall will mark the eighth year of U.S. combat, governance and development operations within Afghanistan. Next fall, the United States’ occupation will equal in length the Soviet Union’s own physical involvement in Afghanistan. Like the Soviets, we continue to secure and bolster a failing state, while encouraging an ideology and system of government unknown and unwanted by its people.

If the history of Afghanistan is one great stage play, the United States is no more than a supporting actor, among several previously, in a tragedy that not only pits tribes, valleys, clans, villages and families against one another, but, from at least the end of King Zahir Shah’s reign, has violently and savagely pitted the urban, secular, educated and modern of Afghanistan against the rural, religious, illiterate and traditional. It is this latter group that composes and supports the Pashtun insurgency. The Pashtun insurgency, which is composed of multiple, seemingly infinite, local groups, is fed by what is perceived by the Pashtun people as a continued and sustained assault, going back centuries, on Pashtun land, culture, traditions and religion by internal and external enemies. The U.S. and NATO presence and operations in Pashtun valleys and villages, as well as Afghan army and police unites that are led and composed of non-Pashtun soldiers and police, provide an occupation force against which the insurgency is justified. In both RC East and South, I have observed that the bulk of the insurgency fights not for the white banner of the Taliban, but rather against the presence of foreign soldiers and taxes imposed by an unrepresentative government in Kabul.

The United States military presence in Afghanistan greatly contributes to the legitimacy and strategic message of the Pashtun insurgency. In a like manner our backing of the Afghan government in its current form continues to distance the government from the people. The Afghan government’s failings particularly when weighed against the sacrifice of American lives and dollars, appear legion and metastatic:

* Glaring corruption and unabashed graft;
* President whose confidants and chief advisers comprise drug lords and war crimes villains, who mock our own rule of law and counternarcotics efforts;
* A system of prvincial and district leaders constituted of local power brokers, opportunists and strongmen allied to the United States solely for, and limited by, the value of our USAID and CERP contracts and whose own political and economic interests stand nothing to gain from any positive or genuine attempts at reconciliation; and
* The recent election process dominated by fraud and discredited by low voter turnout, which has created an enormous victory for our enemy who now claims a popular boycott and will call into question worldwide our government’s military, economic and diplomatic support for an invalid and illegitimate Afghan government.

Our support for this kind of government, coupled with a misunderstanding of the insurgency’s true nature, reminds me horribly of our involvement with South Vietnam; an unpopular and corrupt government we backed at the expense of our Nation’s own internal peace, against an insurgency whose nationalism we arrogantly and ignorantly mistook as a rival to our own Cold War ideology.

I find specious the reasons we ask for bloodshed and sacrifice from our young men and women in Afghanistan. If honest, our stated strategy of securing Afghanistan to prevent al-Qaeda resurgence or regrouping would require us to additionally invade and occupy western Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, etc. Our presence in Afghanistan has only increased destabilization and insurgency in Pakistan where we rightly fear a toppled or weakened Pakistani government may lose control of its nuclear weapons. However, again, to follow the logic of our stated goals we should garrison Pakistan, not Afghanistan. More so, the September 11th attacks, as well as the Madrid and London bombings, were primarily planned and organized in Western Europe; a point that highlights the threat is not one tied to traditional geographic or political boundaries. Finally, if our concern is for a failed state crippled by corruption and poverty and under assault from criminal and drug lords, then if we bear our military and financial contributions to Afghanistan, we must reevaluate and increase our commitment to and involvement in Mexico.

Eight years into war, no nation has ever known as more dedicated, well trained, experienced and disciplined military as the U.S. Armed Forces. I do not believe any military force has ever been tasked with such a complex, opaque and Sisyphean mission as the U.S. Military has received in Afghanistan. The tactical proficiency and performance of our Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines is unmatched and unquestioned. However, this is not the European or Pacific theaters of World War II, but rather is a war for which our leaders, uniformed civilian and elected, have inadequately prepared and resourced our men and women. Our forces, devoted and faithful, have been committed to conflict in an indefinite and unplanned manner that has become a cavalier, politically expedient and Pollyannaish misadventure. Similarly, the United State has a dedicated and talented cadre of civilians, both U.S. government employees and contractors, who believe in and sacrifice for their mission, but have been ineffectually trained and led with guidance and intent shaped more by the political climate in Washington, D.C. than in Afghan cities, villages, mountains and valleys.

“We are spending oursleves into oblivion” a very talented and intelligent commander, one of America’s best, briefs every visitor, staff delegation and senior officer. We are mortgaging our Nation’s economy on a war, which, even with increased commitment, will remain a draw for years to come. Success and victory, whatever they may be, will be realized not in years, after billions more spent, but in decades and generations. The United States does not enjoy a national treasury for such success and victory.

I realize the emotion and tone of my letter and ask you excuse any ill temper. I trust you understand the nature of this war and the sacrifices made by so many thousands of families who have been separated from loved ones deployed in defense of our Nation and whose homes bear the fractures, upheavals and scars of multiple and compounded deployments. Thousands of our men and women have returned home with physical and mental wounds, some that will never heal or will only worsen with time. The dead return only in bodily form to be received by families who must be reassured their dead haves sacrificed for a purpose worthy of futures lost, love vanished, and promised dreams unkept. I have lost confidence such assurances can anymore be made. As such, I submit my resignation.
Sincerely,

MATTHEW P. HOH
Senior Civilian Representative
Zabul Province, Afghanistan

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:53 | 2044685 tony bonn
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i could not improve in any way on this analysis....george has hit the bullseye dead center. bravo bravo bravo...

the usa is a blood thirsty imperialistic monster state hellbent on world domination.....it shall be utterly defeated at the second advent of yahushua.....

at least 2000 bases world wide - for what? to prove that the 4th reich shall indeed last 1000 years?

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:00 | 2045008 brokenclock
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It's the American government, not the American people. Keep that in mind.  Be very careful when talking about the American people. Indirectly you are talking about yourself. We are the melting pot of the world. English, Russian, African,Chinese, Japanese, Polish, Mexican, Cuban, and every other Nationality. We are the globe.

Now here is the point. Do not test the resolve of the American people or our Military. Once the American people get behind a war is game over for any other nation or nations. There is not another Empire that can stand close to us in battle. China....has aircraft carries that they can't launch planes from. Enough said on them. Russia has too much internal conflict to do anything but bitch and moan.

You people are either niave or not to bright to want the US going to war with the full support of the American people. We don't start wars we finish them.  China and Russia are playing politics. If we blink in there direction watch how fast they shut there mouths.

 

 

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:33 | 2044633 AndrewCostello
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Does Iran have nukes - nope.

Will that stop the elite creating a war for profit - nope.

 

This will keep getting worse until we all rise up and demand a gold standard to prevent all this fraud and corruption.

 

Read:

http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Wealth-Mr-Andrew-Costello/dp/1463523017/ref

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 23:41 | 2045669 Think for yourself
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So rise up and demand a gold standard, and TPTB at some point (only when they're ready of course) say "sure" and implement a gold-standard one world currency...
and it doesn't change shit, because by that time they already own 99% of the world's ressources, means of production, and gold. What then?

If you think about it, the answer is beyond financial-monetary systems engineered from the paradigm of scarcity. 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:33 | 2044632 theyenguy
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A soon coming global Eurasia War will be centered in Iran and Syria, as Reuters reports West Readies Oil Stocks Release As Iran Plans War Games. Jack Kelley provides details on The Battle Of Ezekiel 38, where Germany over runs Turkey, as it rushes into the Middle East. Reformed Christian author John McArthur writes in The Future of Israel The Reign of Rebellion –Part 2 Ezekiel 38-39, that a Russian army that will invade from the north.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:17 | 2044394 baboran
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OK. Those of you who are unappreciative assholes for the freedoms you enjoy resulting from the sacrifices made om your behalf bynthe U.S. military- pay attention.

The pretty boys malking millions on wall street would not last a month wearing a uniform and starting the day with others trying to shoot and kill them. We in the U.S. have been able to enjoy an easy existence and a comfortable life because of the freedoms the founding fathers granted and our aggressive stance as a Superpower have preserved. Most countries don't like other countries. Hell they don't like themselves. You think the sensible, productive, reasonable members of Iranian society don't think they are being jeopardized by the irresponsible actions of their "government"? When we get assholes in positions of authority we get the chance to vote them out (however difficult that may be}. You want to go live in Iran instead.?

WE are fortunate that the U.S. military will protect our asses. They are underpaid and given the comments of many on this thread underappreciated. Just say "thanks" and continue to live your self-absorbed life where you live in comfort, fret about the waiting time until you receive your new iphone, feel "cool" because you can buy $200 jeans and think you are superior because you can talk smack about the generals (even though they are likely more intelligent than you) and look down on the grunts because they take orders and you don't have to.

 You are lucky to have your life. And the power of the U.S. military is one reason why you will continue to enjoy your priveleged existence.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:20 | 2045402 my puppy for prez
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You SO don't understand the posters here.  You somehow do not discern that people here are NOT attacking the troops.  Quite the opposite!  People are angered that our brave troops are being USED for profit and world hegemony by greedy, evil elites who are intent on spilling the blood of patriots as the driving force for creating their New World Order.  THAT goal is not one that protects the American people in any way, shape, or form.

Our military is being used by the banking elites to centralize power at a global level for THEIR purposes.  How you cannot see this is beyond me!  While the military is sent to every corner of the globe, our tyrannical government is creating laws, like the NDAA, that are ultimately targeted at the American people...civilians and VETS alike!  In fact, the DHS considers returning vets as potential domestic terrorist threats.  

Our troops are largely noble people who THINK they are sacrificing for the good and protection of their country, but they do not realize the true agenda of our military "adventures".  I would suggest you read the following books and works in order to gain an understanding as to what our Founders envisioned for the US, and what a 2-time Medal of Honor recipient/General learned about our government's use of the military:

  • "War Is a Racket", by General Smedley Butler
  • George Washington's Farewell Address
  • "A Century of War", by F. William Engdahl
  • "Full Spectrum Dominance", by F. William Engdahl
  • "The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations", by John Coleman

I, personally, admire and thank the troops who make a courageous committment to serve.  And I also am heartbroken when I see them go to war and not come home for a cause which serves only the most reprehensible of humans....TPTB.  You will only begin to understand these truths when you are willing to admit that the "War on Terror" was largely CREATED 20 years ago by TPTB for the raison d'etre to launch oil/dollar wars.  I used to think that was just hippy-leftist hogwash, but then, I did some real research and WOKE UP.

To all servicemen and women here, please think more highly of yourself than to allow TPTB to take advantage of your nobility and lie to you!  You deserve better....and you will be sorry someday when you are given a choice to either act against American citizens on behalf of the State or suffer FEMA detention.  Don't think that will ever happen?  Ask the Germans... 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 20:01 | 2045276 Hamsterfist
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Spoken like a good cultist.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:59 | 2045023 Bansters-in-my-...
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Hey Baboran.
Fuck you,you piece of shit.
Now bend over and take it like a man.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 17:10 | 2044904 57-71
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Those Wall Street pretty boys are the product of military control over the US president and congress, and are doing their bidding.

Don't believe for a moment that the US military is any less involved in Obama than the NK military is with Jong Il - they just lay back better in the US. It has been this way at least since Reagan.

Want to strike out on your own a little away from the regime? - Hi Willy, my name is Monica, I'm here to hlep. (Colonel Whathisname in the background to bag the dress)

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:50 | 2044842 Westcoastliberal
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You are confusing those who serve in the military with those who control it.  They are NOT one and the same.  We've gone from being a country that used war as a last resort to being a country that overthrows democratically-elected governments simply because we didn't like the choices the people of that country made.  Hell we don't even declare war any longer, we just use "Black Ops" and think its okay to perform operations on foreign turf.  We have no respect for other countries.  Who the fuck do these people calling the shots think they're representing?  Sure as hell not me.

Yes there's a big difference between those who serve and those neo-cons planning world dominance. I admire and respect the former and damn and diss the latter and may they burn in hell for the suffering they cause, both foreign and domestic.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:25 | 2044782 Fozzy Slippers
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fucking leach setting in that Fusion center posting your facsist crap. Go suck your bosses cawk you moron.

Remember. There is no room for you in the bunker. So you will have to deal with me out in the streets.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:03 | 2044714 flight77
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The USA will be the first fachist country were people need long time to understand that they live in a facsist country.
When the first people will disapear from the streets in the neihborhood some might start thinking, but than it is already  too late. Treason will be rewarded. Mistrust nursed. Disinformation and Propaganda 24/7. The thoughts of the people twisted into strange forms of an empty Nationalism in a Country which is divided in itself. I am from Germany and I studied our history in depth. You have no idea how simple and effective the control of the people was realized.
They made the drunkard Postman chief of the District SA in Frankfurt . This fucking Postman knew a lot about many people. Whe he was just a Postman people joked about him and didn´t take him serious. Than, all of a sudden people were struck by fear of this guy
Hitler was financed by the big cooperations hoping for future profits. It is exactly like the Duce pointed it out:
"We should not use the term Fascism. Let us call it Cooperatism. What is Fascism but the perfect cooperation between state (government) and cooperations". If I listen to these candidates of the GOP, I listen to pocket fascists (with some exceptions like Paul and Huntsman). To bloody Oportunists, and Krugman and Bernanke don´t get tired to emphasize, how WWII took the US out of the Depression. War, the great healer. That is Goebbel´s dialectic.

Since 450 years Persia has attacked no other country. But your bosses in Israel are planning and conducting Wars every year. The US has a budget to destabilize Iran. That´s for me Fascism. Since the 1950s the US is creating Shit in the whole Middle East. It would make much more sense to invest in a future with much less cars and much less fossiles, into education a.s.o. May be the US will win the War against Iran after killing millions of people. But the US will have lost any credibility and most sympathies and will be worn out. Most empires died from overstretching and corrupt elites. 
The whole of Maghreb (Marocco, Tunesia and, Algeria) was owned by 7 roman families. When the empire asked for taxes, they refused to pay. So the Empire had to reduce it´s Legions, because they couldn´t pay the soldiers. That weakened the borders and the Roman empire died. And all these unbelievible families died with it.

May be you should talk tacheless to your unshakable friends. But so, some might get the impression that the US Army is the Foreign Legion of Israel. The first one, who doesn´t get paid but fined.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 16:08 | 2044727 Justawhoaman
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allah ackbar, eh?

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 18:08 | 2045031 GoinFawr
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the germans had their bogeyman, and unless I mistook your comment it looks as if you have decided on yours.

"This vision of Christ that you see, is my vision's greatest enemy."-Nobody

IMO you can replace 'Christ' in the above with any one of the three Abrahamic faiths' deities and it still comes out even.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:37 | 2044641 AndrewCostello
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As much as I do appreciate your comment, having spent 5 years in the army myself, the reality is that US money printing (fraud) and military agression are what have caused the last 50 years of fantasy boom times.

Everybody appreciates the sacrifice made by individual soldiers, but they do not appreciate situations like Iran, where we are murdering Iranians in order to start a war - for no other reason that to continue the fraud that is paper wealth.

 

Read:

http://www.amazon.com/Simple-Wealth-Mr-Andrew-Costello/dp/1463523017/ref

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:16 | 2044576 MobBarley
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Rather, from the sacrifices most any American male will make

to ensure their own personal freedom.

 

God has a hard on for Marines son...and it's really big and you're exceptionally

gay,

 

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:17 | 2044393 baboran
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OK. Those of you who are unappreciative assholes for the freedoms you enjoy resulting from the sacrifices made om your behalf bynthe U.S. military- pay attention.

The pretty boys malking millions on wall street would not last a month wearing a uniform and starting the day with others trying to shoot and kill them. We in the U.S. have been able to enjoy an easy existence and a comfortable life because of the freedoms the founding fathers granted and our aggressive stance as a Superpower have preserved. Most countries don't like other countries. Hell they don't like themselves. You think the sensible, productive, reasonable members of Iranian society don't think they are being jeopardized by the irresponsible actions of their "government"? When we get assholes in positions of authority we get the chance to vote them out (however difficult that may be}. You want to go live in Iran instead.?

WE are fortunate that the U.S. military will protect our asses. They are underpaid and given the comments of many on this thread underappreciated. Just say "thanks" and continue to live your self-absorbed life where you live in comfort, fret about the waiting time until you receive your new iphone, feel "cool" because you can buy $200 jeans and think you are superior because you can talk smack about the generals (even though they are likely more intelligent than you) and look down on the grunts because they take orders and you don't have to.

 You are lucky to have your life. And the power of the U.S. military is one reason why you will continue to enjoy your priveleged existence.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 03:18 | 2046009 The Heart
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Hey babo, come on home and let us buy you a beer.

Support the troops. BRING THEM ALL HOME NOW and let's buy them a beer, an iphone, and some 200 dollar jeans too.

IMAGINE THE ECONOMIC BOOST TO AMERICA IF ALL THE MILITARY THAT SPENDS MONEY AT 900 BASES AROUND THE WORLD SPENT THAT MONEY HERE IN OUR OWN COUNTRY. AND, ALL THAT MONEY TO SUPPORT ALL THOSE 900 BASES WAS SPENT TO SUPPORT THE POOR AND MILITARY VETERANS LIVING IN THE STREETS OF OUR OWN COUNTRY.

Yeah, we appreciate the sacrifices of those who volunteer to go kill innocent people for bankster profits and gains, but you don't have to go to war to prove you are a man anymore, or volunteer to die for the oil oligarchy that does not give a rats ass about you or any of the other military "fodder" they turn you into.

So what's it going to be? Budweiser or a Coors?

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:55 | 2044502 donsluck
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Stand down, soldier. Get a grip. You work FOR ME!

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:35 | 2044442 HarryM
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Spot on Babo - Military is a necesary evil - but every soldier or police officer is the equivalent of someone on welfare , a drain on the economy.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:00 | 2044525 the grateful un...
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in a socialist economy the person who creates a demand for the service is the moral equivalent of the person who provides that service. the cop and the criminal are equal. or in the broken window economy the person breaking the window is just as important as the person who fixes the window. in the future the government will sell corporate naming rights to hurricanes. hurricane Home Depot is closing in on Florida, and will probably cause several million dollars of damage. Home Depot stock is up on the news, and their million dollar investment in hurricane inducing weather chemicals seems to be paying off.

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 00:18 | 2045753 Hephasteus
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Tostito's fiesta bowl.

The first time I saw that I was like WTF.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:49 | 2044486 disabledvet
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a military is neither "necessary" nor "evil." the United States has spent the bulk of its existence without one--although i would agree the economy has fared much better without a standing Army. Of course this time we have a Standing Army "over there." And there is nothing "standing" about them. Equating "soldiers going at war" with "people being on welfare" is beyond ridiculous. Of course who are we to argue with the Winds of War?

Mon, 01/09/2012 - 03:24 | 2046012 The Heart
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"Of course who are we to argue with the Winds of War?"

 

Or in babylonias black is white and up is down world of stupid sheeple?

And winds? Try hurricanes and something past that.

Can you say, POPULATION REDUCTION KIDS?

 

WARNING! LOTS OF CRUD CUSSING.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMiJDScbR0k

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:19 | 2044588 MobBarley
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Uh oh the war vet is incensed someone would think their job of

killing goyim for the Zionist Rothchilds isn't respectable and deserving

of a salaried retirement plan. Better get the gun and start shooting, soldier.

 

 

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 22:05 | 2045477 disabledvet
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I'll start with you pucking "goyim" bitch. Give me your name and number and I'll slit your throat in broad daylight and kill the phuckers who come to collect your body.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 15:03 | 2044534 Seer
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" i would agree the economy has fared much better without a standing Army."

Things tend to blur...  There's the "economy," such that it is (and what it is is questionable), and then there's the System.  The System requires vast quantities of OIL, and requires that it flow predictably.  Anyone who doesn't believe that the primary mission of the US's military forces is that of ensuing the proper flow of this precious resource is clueless (for a primer read War Is A Racket).

ALL WARS ARE ABOUT ACCESS TO RESOURCES, PERIOD!  When one understand this fundamental point then everything makes perfect sense.  For countries that require imports WAR is necessary, sooner or later.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 21:36 | 2045427 my puppy for prez
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You got it!

Also, as I posted above, read anything and everything by F. William Engdahl, especially "A Century of War" and "Full Spectrum Dominance".  Today, the focus is on remaining energy/dollar dominant over China and Russia.  It's keeping the spooks, NGO's, think tanks, and MIC very, very busy!

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:00 | 2044341 the grateful un...
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and it all comes back to the failed UAE port deal. Congressional pushback blocked the sale, which was going to be a quid pro quo, where the UAE would have allowed US military installations on their side of the straight of Hormuz, in exchange for ownership of the US port authority. Bush saw how successful the Iraq poicy had been, the no fly zone, and he wanted to restart that policy with Iran over the Persian gulf and demilitarize the area, code for police the entire gulf for the benefit of US military ships and oil tankers. 

then Treasury Sec Snow was involved in securing the UAE port deal, screwed up, and was replaced by Hank Paulson.   http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,185107,00.html

at one point Putin offered Bush a Machievellian deal. Bush and Cheney had put missiles within minutes of Moscow, in the newly added NATO countries, which were old Soviet satellites. Putin wanted those missiles out, and was willing to roll over on Iran, that is give the US the ECM keys to the weapons. The Iranian air defense is supposed to be state of the art Soviet technology, the same system is in Syria. As a test run the Israelis were given the keys to that system and their aricraft attacked a suspected nuclear reactor site in Syria without a single casualty. 

Cheney was running things, and he wasn't about to give up something he worked so hard to achieve. Obama came in and pretty much negotiated away most of the missile threat which had the Russian leaders in a tizzy, causing them to threaten to cut off NatGas to Europe. Antagonism is fairly subdued at the moment, and threats from Russia anyway are hollow, but China is another problem, one Bush avoided in Darfur.

a militiary adventure to stop the genocide and run China out of their oil fields made more sense than the war in Iraq, but wars are made as much to satisfy the Americans peoples view of things, and not the reality on the ground. The real Al Qaida problem is in Somalia, Yemen, and in China's aid to the government of Khartoum which fueled the genocide in Darfur.

and once again Iran is a distraction, but this time China is involved and that should prevent the US from interfering. now that Obama has had a chance to form his own foreign policy he may decide to take a firm stance against China, Bush of course signed WTO for them two weeks after 9/11, after they had taken our spy plane. Bush was amazingly accomodative of China, while Cheney pursued an old school Cold War policy against Russia, that policy would allow Iran to continue to exist in the current form. the Ayn Rand institute, and most NeoCons wanted Bush to attack Iran, not Iraq. the reason Iran still exists is that it provides a conduit for Muslim terrorism all the way to Chechnya.

an attack on Iran would signal more balance in US policy between Russia and China. its not clear how much thought Obama has put into this, since he almost never makes a foreign policy speech and everything he has done tends to follow Bush policy, but of course that could change.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 13:10 | 2044193 lolmao500
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http://rt.com/news/iran-ready-block-strait-hormuz-361/

Iran says it will close Strait of Hormuz if crude exports blocked

http://twitter.com/#!/Newsinaninstant

Report: UK and US Navy destroyer will be deployed near Iranian waters days before oil embargo imposed to prevent #Hormuz closure.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-01-06/eu-iran-oil-sanctions-may-be-ph...

EU foreign ministers are likely to agree to block Iranian oil imports at a meeting in Brussels on Jan. 30,

 

Seems to me they will start the war before February.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 13:05 | 2044186 57-71
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I think the easiest (not necessarily the quickest, but likely cheaper than war) solution would be to put a canal in along the UAE side of the Strait, and keep those ships running in UAE and Oman waters.

Then Iran could be blocked from using the canal no matter what happens with the Strait.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 14:59 | 2044519 xela2200
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57-71

They don't want a solution, they want an excuse.

Sun, 01/08/2012 - 12:54 | 2044163 Fix It Again Timmy
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Well my point is that the US is geographically isolated and could do well with actually a very minimal and inexpensive military.  Our foreign policy certainly has little to do with protecting the US from invading hordes that are hell bent on destroying America.  Our vulnerability to nuclear attack should be a primary factor in pursuing diplomacy as a means of self-survival.  My stint as a combat medic in Vietnam had convinced me that military solutions are archaic and not at all productive for anyone other than arms producers...

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