American, British, Israeli and Iranian Warships Sailing Towards Confrontation

George Washington's picture

The U.S. and Israel are conducting their largest-ever joint warfare exercises near Iran. And see this.

England is sending its most advanced ship – the HMS Daring – to the region.

Only days after finishing its last wargames in the Strait of Hormuz, Iran has announced another set of wargames in February.




Looking behind the headlines:

  • The people pushing for war against Iran are the same neocons who pushed for war against Iraq. See this and this.
  • The U.S. has been claiming for more than 30 years that Iran was on the verge of nuclear capability (and the U.S. apparently helped fund the Iranian nuclear program.)
  • The CIA admits that it hired Iranians in the 1950?s to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its democratically-elected prime minister.   Pulitzer-prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh says that the Bush administration (and especially Dick Cheney) helped to fund terrorist groups within Iran (see confirming articles here and here). And the New York Times, Washington Post and others are reporting, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, former Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge, former national security adviser Fran Townsend and former Attorney General Michael Mukasey – who all said that the terrorists were going to get us if we didn’t jettison the liberties granted under the Bill of Rights – are now supporting terrorists in Iran.
  • The war against Iran has already begun. See this, this and this.

What could possibly go wrong?

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Element's picture

if normal with regards to a country, equates to a totalitarian (tyrannical) rule.


You're the TSA Groupie ... you tell me?

Quit being a little bitch, you know perfectly well what I'm saying, and what normal means in that context, and the essence of what is being said.

Seer's picture

I have no clue about what a "normal" country is either, but it's NO BUSINESS of ours what Iran does, especially if it's in compliance with all international treaties.

The US is controlled by an oligarchy, one that isn't predicated on anything other than predation and violence.  Pot calling the kettle black...

NOTE: I detest ALL governments.  I abhor all efforts of centralized power (which only allow for corruption; and the US, with the MOST power also has the greatest levels of corruption).

DaveyJones's picture

given history, no one has a greater "right" to one of those than Iran

StychoKiller's picture

"Some folks inherit star-spangled eyes;

ooh, they send you down to war!"

Element's picture

"And when you ask them, How much should we give?

Ooh, they only answer More! more! more!"

hz's picture

For the first time in my life, I wish a moron like yourself had opened with "First" instead of this Hollywood-black-and-white bullshit... 


BlackholeDivestment's picture

...ah, time for the old Pentagon Pizza spike again, and of course there had to be a company called Dominos.

The Alarmist's picture

Careful there, GW ... You're running the risk of being stripped of your citizenship under the Enemy Expatriation Act, should it be passed, and then you could clearly be renditioned per the NDAA. Heck, they might use the NDAA against you anyway now that it is the law of the land.

The Heart's picture

"..they might use the NDAA against you anyway now that it is the law of the land."


Any law contrary to the Constitution is null and void, therefore it may be the law of la la land, but not this land!

SamAdams1234's picture

Sponsored by Isreal's own US Senator Joe LIberman.


optimator's picture

I'm normally not concerned with any poster's spelling, but in this case, It is Joe LIE berman!  Remember, even his name starts with a lie.

Ocean22's picture

None of us or the 'truth' stand a chance in the current system---- We need revolution.!!!

Ocean22's picture

None of us or the 'truth' stand a chance in the current system---- We need revolution.!!!

Ocean22's picture

None of us or the 'truth' stand a chance in the current system---- We need revolution.!!!

non_anon's picture

Also, don't forget the USS Liberty that was attacked by Israel and covered up by Johnson and US Naval high command in the crime to frame Egypt for the attack, if they had succeeded in sinking the Liberty.

"An hour after the attack, Israeli warships and planes returned. Commander McGonagle gave the order. 'prepare to repel borders.' But the Israelis, probably fearful of intervention by the US Sixth Fleet, departed. 'Liberty' was left shattered but still defiant, her flag flying.

The Israeli attacks killed 34 US seamen and wounded 171 out of a crew of 297, the worst loss of American naval personnel from hostile action since World War II."

Popo's picture


...never forget that Mexico attacked the USA also.

...and France during the Quasi War.

...and England

...and Algiers

...and Germany

...and Fiji

...and the Ottoman Empire

...and Japan

...and China

...and the American Confederate States

...and Formosa

...and Korea

...and Syria

...and Panama

...and Vietnam


What does "Don't Forget" even mean?  That no one should ever have normal relations with any nation with which one has had hostile relations?    Even if you believe the Liberty incident was intentional --  I won't even debate that here, because frankly the facts aren't clear.  So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt:  Let's say Israel willfully fought US forces.  Okay.  And?

The list of nations that has attacked US forces and interests is very, *very* long.   And the list of countries the US has attacked and killed people in is even longer.  You seem to be particularly interested in the Liberty event.  Why?  Do you believe it was the first time a supposedly allied nation attacked the US?    You seem painfully unaware of America's colorful military history. ..Either that or your emphasis on the Liberty incident is part of some larger agenda.    

Or wait... let me guess:  You believe that you're on the "good" side, and that your side was "wronged"?  (That by the way,  would be almost funny for an American to believe).

Just out of curiosity, are you still pissed off at Vietnam too?   

How about England?  The Brits invaded the USA long after it was already an independent nation, invaded Washington DC and burned the US Capitol building to the ground.  (They don't teach that in American schools either, do they?  Or maybe they do.  How many people died then?)   Don't forget?

How about the 300,000 CIVILIANS killed by US Forces in Iraq.   Should the Iraqis "Never Forget" also?   Oh wait.   That's different.  Because there was war going on, right?  

Keep talking about those 33 military professionals that got killed back in 1967.    You have no idea how silly it makes you sound.



Randall Cabot's picture

The attack on the USS Liberty is relevant and important because it was covered up and the perpetrators were not only never prosecuted but are still in power and very likely to try the same stunt again as they push for war in the Middle East.

Optimusprime's picture

Popo can always be relied upon to carry water for the Zios.

Popo's picture

Carrying water for the Zios?? That's news to me.

Nice try Optimus.

AnAnonymous's picture

US citizens learning about themselves. Or faking to.

Instant classics. As usual.

Ghordius's picture

just admit it and stop denigrating the good ol' war cries

as a penance, cry 100 times "Remember Alamo!" before dinner ;-)

Ghordius's picture

eh? I don't read any "carry water for the Zionists" in Popo's remarks - he is saying it's irrelevant (to the broader discourse).

Myself, I'm quite intrigued about the suggested reason of the alleged attack on the Liberty - the 1967 war started by Israel? Wow, any proof of this?

AnAnonymous's picture

he is saying it's irrelevant (to the broader discourse).

And what is the broader discourse?

Is Justice irrelevant? Of course it is in US citizenism.

But US citizenism is not everything. Not yet.

Popo's picture

AnAnonymous,  where do you get this shit from?  Where from my posts did you even reach the assumption that I'm a US citizen, or that I even live in the USA?   Are you just so jacked up to kick some American-patriot ass that you post first and read later?

Is anything I've posted even remotely pro-American?  I've been nothing short of critical of the USA in every post on this thread, and you keep writing these idiotic rebuttals trying to cast me as some kind of American zealot.   Huh?  "US Citizenism is not everything.  Not yet."

Who are you responding to?  Me?

Put down the crack pipe and read before you spew idiocy all over your keyboard again.


nmewn's picture

My standing theory on his hatred of the American citizen is that he's been denied visa or residence on numerous occasions for being a sociopath.

Now, everyone around here knows I rarely give kudos to gubmint. But if my theory is correct, this is one of those rare

Element's picture


I think you are entirely missing the point.  What the Liberty event 'remembrance' gets to is that it was attempted be hushed up and swept under the carpet at the time, and ever since. Those events in the list you gave were quite different, in that regard, right? Sure some parts were unclear or covered up, but people at least knew who was friend or foe or indifferent.

So what's wrong with shining light on this and the resulting unclear circumstances and details? The hint is that the details are unclear to you, precisely because they were carefully covered up, and successfully suppressed.

Let's hypothetically for argument's sake say that your dad was one of those killed.  Now take that seriously for a few seconds. You'd want the details and causes fully clarified and fully investigated and openly exposed, right? And if they were not, you'd have quite a few issues with a supposed ally killing him.  And if necessary, blame should have been attributed, reparations made, or else sanctions and punishments incurred.

It's a slippery-slope to say, "nah, don't go there about this old event, let them just get away with it, this time. What about all the next times, and all the fathers there, as well?  Part of "keeping the bastards honest" or maybe less able to get away with outright evil acts, is full and regular exposure, censure and punishment.

Or are we to accept that allies, like Pakistan for instance, do shit like that?

By which I mean, the USAF flippantly kills 34 'allied' Pakis and the exposure and censure and insistence of openness and real repercussions, means they closed the logistics supply down until they are thus satisfied. And as they are NOT thus satisfied, they decided the US must be an enemy, not an ally.

USS Liberty is unfinished business for a lot of people.

DOT's picture

On a long enough time-line all bussiness is finished.

If you surrender reason, moral action occurs only by accident.

How many would you kill, Element, to "finish" the bussiness of the Liberty attack ?

Element's picture


I surrendered nothing, nor did I suggest an eye for an eye round of killing .... thats a Jewish response, not mine.

I only said game theory applies.

Look it up sometime.

Popo's picture

Element, It's *all * hushed up and swept under the carpet. US allies like Pakistan *do* do things like that. Bin Laden was a revered guest of the Pakis for years. The amount of undocumented military activity that results in deaths every year is huge. It gets publicized ONLY when it is the interests of propagandists to do so.

The number of military incidents that any of us actually understand is minimal.

Personalizing it and saying, "what if it was your Dad?" is an emotionally charged argument -- but it doesn't pass the logic test. What if your Dad was an Iraqi civilian that was gunned down? ... What if it was your Mom that worked in the Pentagon the day an invisible plane that left no wreckage and smelled exactly like cordite exploded in Langley? I could go on and on...

My point isn't to belittle the deaths on the Liberty. They are indeed tragic. But to elevate an event from 1967 to relevance above and beyond the massive number of more recent, more relevant atrocities is a sign of quite a different agenda than humanism.

Element's picture

Sorry to get out the philosophy schtick Popo, but there are some things in life where logic is right and valid, and other areas where the human does not need "logic tests" to know what really matters to them or is 'right' or 'wrong'. I would have thought you knew this.

Logic applies only in limited circumstances, as Feynman's infinities solution revealed. You had to 'normalise' limits so the math and logic did not "blow-up" the equations when actual open-ended unlimitedness got in the way of a calculation with closed limited and discrete focus on a defined 'object'.

Human beings are not all logical all of the time for a good reason. Some things do not need a logic-test because in the end, humans are subjective and open-ended, not objective and artificially limited so that logic can apply.

That is not us.

Every atrocity and suffering is personal and direct. No one else feels it or remembers it. Indirect does not cut it.  It is actually only affecting those involved and the rest of it is playing with emotionalism and sentiments.

So yes, it is disingenuous to say "remember" something, that never affected you directly anyway. I agree with you, in that respect.

But the event tells us a lot about who our friends are, and are not.

Game theory applies.

FeralSerf's picture

Those that own the past control the future.

That's the guiding principle of controlling history behind all these events.  History is manufactured and the result is spread to the proletariat by TPTB.  The troops must never know what The Real Truth is.  Loyalty would suffer if they did.

FeralSerf's picture

Those that own the past control the future.

That's the guiding principle of controlling history behind all these events.  History is manufactured and the result is spread to the proletariat by TPTB.  The troops must never know what The Real Truth is.  Loyalty would suffer if they did.

Popo's picture

> "Logic applies only in limited circumstances, as Feynman's infinities solution revealed. "


Oh, Jesus.

Seer's picture

Sadly it appears that wires got crossed, wires that basically carry the same communication.

I think that both sides of this supposed disagreement (which, frankly, I can't spot the real disagreement of, other than the follow-up flailings) are saying that there's been LOTs of unnecessary tragedy, and that we shouldn't dismiss any of it.  Again, go back and re-read what the original statements/comments were.

Obviously propaganda twists are put on all events.  The essence/facts still stand by themselves.

onthesquare's picture

Just a reminder that up here in Canada we are marking the 200th anniversary of the war of 1812.  That is when the Americans decided that we needed to be liberated from the British Empire.  So they came over and burned down our governement buildings just the other side of the Niagara River in Niagara on the Lake.  We came down and burned your white house in retaliation.

Check out the real history books and remember to celebrate your history and your anniversary of the war of 1812.

Bicycle Repairman's picture

You weren't Canada then.  You were England.  Our arch enemy.  Are you saying this war was one of pure USA aggression?  What about the "Bank of the US" that was forced upon the US?  Do you honestly think that the English empire wasn't constantly screwing with the US?  What do you think Anthony Wayne was up to after the Revolutionary war?  You guys are lucky Andy Jackson didn't come your way.  If he did, you'd be speaking English today, instead of British.

GoinFawr's picture

I gave both you and onthe a green up: onthe for bringing it up, and you got one up for breaking it down.

AnAnonymous's picture

Made me laugh.

Typical US citizenism. Claiming that equality in crime. US citizens love that.

While they preach inequality in other fields, please be assured they are going to tell that every single nation in the world is as or more murderous as or than the US.

US participated in the trade door policy in China in the 1900s.

Assault of China on the US prior to that? Please provide.

The Congo was bombed by the US in the 1960s. Please provide assault by the Congo on the US prior to that.

Even better, Haiti helped the US out during the US independence war. Please provide assault of Haiti on the US prior to the invasion in the 1910s.
For the last, I provided an example of back up, of cooperation. So it makes it even funnier.

Huh, actually, dont try.

US citizens nature is eternal. They cant escape it. They are propagandists, bullies at heart and duplicitous.

And they cant change as their nature is eternal.

Seer's picture

I'm not disputing your historical accountings; however, your insistent comments that make it sound like the US is the ONLY empire to ever rape and pillage and house obedient citizens, well... I mean, WTF else do you figure that makes an empire an empire?

Not in defense of empires.  Just pointing out that it's the nature of empires, and this isn't a behavior that was invented by the US.  Besides, what are you going to do about it?  I know that ALL empires collapse: I'm focusing on life after this.

4horse's picture

infiltration and disinfo require stealth . . . not, du haut en bas, an overhead condescension the size of a zeppelin such as yourself, so easily spotted . . . by anyone else who'd know a lowly drone by his seemingly own cloak of invisibility, WonderWoman: you're here being pimped for pennies as, what, an obfuscation of your very own significance assigned as an intel-op for an onsite blog? dangerous. secret agent provacateur? dastardly

mission critical, mission creep. change your dress as you will have to your address, from the gutter 

war of 1812

It worked once, it will work again  .  .  . And so there it was, in 1791, the First Bank of the United States (BUS). Not only deceptively named to sound official, but also to take attention away from the real first bank which had been shut down.

Its initials however gave a clear indication that Americans were once again being taken for a ride. And true to its British model, the name of the investors was never revealed.

Having gotten away with it a second time, some of them probably wished Amshall Rothschild had picked a different time to make his pronouncement from his private central bank in Frankfurt.

"Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws."
Mayer Amschel Rothschild, 1790

Not to worry, no one was listening, the American government borrowed 8.2 million dollars from the bank in the first 5 years and prices rose by 72%. This time round the money changer's had learned their lesson, they had guaranteed a twenty year charter.

.  .  .  While the independent press, who had not been bought off yet, called the scam "a great swindle, a vulture, a viper, and a cobra."

As with the real first bank, the government had been the only depositor to put up any real money, with the remainder being raised from loans the investors made to each other, using the magic of fractional reserve banking. When time came for renewal of the charter, the bankers were warning of bad times ahead if they didn't get what they wanted. The charter was not renewed.

Five month[s] later Britain had attacked America and started the war of 1812.

Meanwhile a short time earlier, an independent Rothschild business, the Bank of France, was being looked upon with suspicion by none other than  .  .  .


China ?

The 99 year British lease on Hong Kong expired in July allowing the Red Chinese to take over. Hundreds of newspaper stories and TV reports have covered this event but not one revealed how England first gained control of Hong Kong! The truth lies buried in the family line of David Sassoon, "The Rothschilds of The Far East," and their monopoly over the opium trade. Britain won Hong Kong by launching the opium Wars to give the Sassoon's exclusive rights to drug an entire nation!

David Sassoon was born in Baghdad, Iran in 1792. His father, Saleh Sassoon, was a wealthy banker and the treasurer to Ahmet Pasha, the governor of Baghdad. (Thus making him the "court Jew" ? a highly influential position.) In 1829 Ahmet was overthrown due to corruption and the Sassoon family fled to Bombay, India.[mumbai, set up as their financial center] This was the strategic trade route to interior India and the gateway to the Far East. In a brief time the British government granted Sassoon "monopoly rights" to all manufacture of cotton goods, silk and most important of all ? Opium ? then the most addictive drug in the world!

The Jewish Encyclopedia of 1905, states that Sassoon expanded his opium trade into China and Japan. He placed his eight sons in charge of the various major opium exchanges in China. According to the 1944 Jewish Encyclopedia: "He employed only Jews in his business, and wherever he sent them he built synagogues and schools for them. He imported whole families of fellow Jews...and put them to work."

Sassoon's sons were busy pushing this mind?destroying drug in Canton, China. Between 1830 ? 1831 they trafficked 18,956 chests of opium earning millions of dollars. Part of the profits went to Queen Victoria and the British government. In the year 1836 the trade increased to over 30,000 chests and drug addiction in coastal cities became endemic. In 1839, the Manchu Emperor ordered that it be stopped. He named the Commissioner of Canton, Lin Tse?hsu, to lead a campaign against opium.

Lin seized 2,000 chests of Sassoon opium and threw it into the river. An outraged David Sassoon demanded that Great Britain retaliate. Thus, the Opium Wars began with the British Army fighting as mercenaries of the Sassoon's. They attacked cities and blockaded ports. The Chinese Army, decimated by 10 years of rampant opium addiction, proved no match for the British Army. The war ended in 1839 with the signing of "The Treaty of Nanking."

This included provisions especially designed to guarantee the Sassoon's the right to enslave an entire population with opium. The "peace treaty" included these provisions: "1) Full legalization of the opium trade in China, 2) compensation from the opium stockpiles confiscated by Lin of 2 million pounds, 3) territorial sovereignty for the British Crown over several designated offshore islands.

john39's picture

so sad... and so sad that most westerners have no idea how far back the unholy alliance between western governments and zionism goes.  Sassoon is probably one of the most vile humans to have ever lived...  and these same people are still clearly in control behind the scenes.  Opium was used then, heroin now... along with big pharma (how nice, its legal now to drug the shit out of the entire world).  all in the name of power.

Popo's picture


> "Assault of China on the US prior to that? Please provide."



1843 - Marines from the St. Louis are attacked in Canton.   Military intervention ensues.

1854-1855 - The US Navy intervenes in Shangai to protect attacks on American interests.

1856 - Unarmed US vessels flying US flags are attacked by Chinese Navy.  U.S. Forces land in Canton to intervene.

1866 - American Consulate is attacked by Chinese nationals.  U.S. forces sent to intervene on Chinese soil in Noowchewang.

1900 - Boxer Rebellion:  Numerous attacks on US interests resulted in US troops installed in Peking on a semi permanent basis thereafter.

(And that's just prior to 1900, per your request)


During all of the above events,  we were supposedly on good relations and were active trading partners with China.


So much for "never forget".


AnAnonymous's picture

Woooo. You mean the marines were assaulted in China? Or is it Canton, somewhere in the US?

Please tell how those marines got landed in Canton and for what?

US citizens are bullies at heart.

With bullies, it is always the same. They initiated the action, withdraw their assault from the pool and claim to be the victims when retaliation ensues.

So yet, it would be interesting to know where that Canton was, how those marines got landed there. Maybe on the very friendly trade policy terms that were enacted then.

As for the laughters, dont forget to list the numbers of Chinese soldiers fielded on US ground. So we can check the symetry of it all.

Cant wait for the Congo and Haiti stuff. Especially Haiti, because it is going to be good laughter.

Popo's picture

Wait.  Are we on opposite sides of the argument?   Did you miss the /sarc tag?

And if you're trying to cast China as the poor innocent victim that gets beat up... then, just wow.  Ever been to Tibet?   

my puppy for prez's picture need to read Bill Engdahl's book, "Full Spectrum Dominance" and learn the REAL story behind the Tibet-China situation.  It will blow your mind!

forexskin's picture

+1 on engdahl

his 'a century of way' is also on my recommended must read list.

john39's picture

Zionists destroyed China with the opium wars. The Chinese have not forgotten.

BigDuke6's picture

Indeed, never forget.

and an excellent link - interestingly dated just months before 9/11.

A timely reminder totally ignored.

AnAnonymous's picture

It is all up to the people who have been mugged by the US (and they are many, contrary to the aggressions US citizens consistently fake on themselves to try to even the stage) to decide if they have to forget, forgive or not.

It is their decision, not that of some US citizens imbued with a feeling of self importance.