Biggest Middle Class Tax Increase in History Will Come in Five Months

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Tue, 08/02/2011 - 16:18 | 1518184 hooligan2009
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bruce, I don't think the tax increase is a world of pain. taxes need to go up by around 10% of GDP or by around 1/3 for all of us to stop living in cloud cuckoo land, where we expect something for nothing. Either taxes go up or spending comes down. Personally I think spending has to come down and we should get smarter in what we spend money on. I don't think there is a single Government department that couldn't produce more for 40% less if we got our best and brightest involved in proving me right. orient a reward culture for universities to get students to use logisitics and quantitative methods to rip apart all the current ways of doing things and give them half or a quarter of the first years savings. mediated by some sort of jury system of 100 taken by a similar method as we emply for selecting jurors for court cases.

Wed, 08/03/2011 - 01:19 | 1519602 TBT or not TBT
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Here's a better plan: Delete, permanantly, a good dozen federal departments.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 16:58 | 1518333 dolly madison
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"bruce, I don't think the tax increase is a world of pain" said the person who was not as close to the edge as many.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 16:46 | 1518291 hooligan2009
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:) at the junkers! and i will be 2 on this site next week! cornflakes anyone?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:52 | 1518095 Newsboy
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"Balanced approach" Barak Obama

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:44 | 1518027 metastar
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There is nothing that the Bernank can't solve (for the uber rich) using QE.

Wait for it. It will come.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:42 | 1518017 optimator
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Nice timing, sheeple on vacation, will see a little surprise when they check the news and their 401 this evening.  Will decide to get out of their funds tomorrow and avoid even further losses?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:40 | 1517947 anonnn
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"On July 12th I wrote about this and got it completely wrong."

Ummm, Bruce? What did you learn from your experience?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:30 | 1517934 Seasmoke
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the middle class has only 2 options to survive......

1. to steal and cheat their way into the upper class

2. to check out of the economoy and grab entitlements and deal/work/barter in the underground economy

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:21 | 1517867 JW n FL
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You made my Twitter and FaceBook!

Good Job My Man!! Keep it up!!

Please Sir, if you would be so kind.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:33 | 1517848 anonnn
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"...we are economically vulnerable and we have no traditional responses."

So fairness, aka justice, is not traditional in America? What else is new?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:15 | 1517833 PulauHantu29
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"No one saw this coming," the Bankers testified before Congress.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:06 | 1517796 Atlantis Consigliore
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Watch 700,000 business with 2 million workers layoff, ahead of 2013

and vote with capital.

Go offshore or into underground economy

cash underground economy, as business Capital votes.


count on it.   We just became a 3rd world economy,

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:42 | 1517716 falak pema
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the best recent debate so far on ZH is on the energy scene. The guy from Oil drum made a very strong case for mind set change, paradigm change. TY ZH I enjoyed it!

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:44 | 1517715 Riquin
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We are in a depression, all my personal indicators I keep are pointing to a bad depression with a government that is not functional. God Save Us !!!

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:38 | 1517708 falak pema
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time to milk the fat cows... pity it didn't start in 2011.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:48 | 1517706 Thisson
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Bruce, you're incorrect:


The change to FICA will not change GDP.  GDP = C+I+G+X.  If you decrease the payroll tax, you decrease C (consumption) and increase G (government spending) by an identical amount.  Ceterus Paribus applies.  As a practical matter, the only way GDP changes is if government net deficit levels change.


I also largely agree with CHS's post on how to create jobs: let housing prices collapse, kill the TBTF banks, and end socialized medicine replacing it with: (1) cash-on-the-barrel payments combined with (2) catastrophic insurance that covers the big ticket items (cancer, etc.).

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 16:12 | 1518167 hooligan2009
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a decrease in consumption will result from a tax increase, so C drops..but..the box has an outside. 2% increase in taxes will reduce the deficit, you get a reduction in the G component as the deficit reduces. welcome to the land of smoke and mirrors. increasing deficits increase GDP since they represent an injection of increased spending..reducing deficits by tax increases actually reduces GDP and are therefore contractionary to GDP..this is a double whammy. bruce is correct

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:42 | 1517976 Dr. Acula
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>Ceterus Paribus

You mean "ceteris paribus".

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:53 | 1517759 sessinpo
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That would be old economic thinking. An increase in government spending is no longer a function of that equation.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:31 | 1517672 El Viejo
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Ok, let me get this straight:  The private sector is so far in debt that it is 90% of GDP(according to NPR) but they were starting to get out of debt, but now the govt is going to add insult to injury to the private sector(middle clss) by taxing them to economic death. Oh yeah what we've got here is a falure to communicate. Look out Japan here we come. Enjoy your money rich man (while you can)

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:26 | 1517651 Hedgetard55
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Don't worry, Obama is gonna tax the "millionaires, billionaires and corporate jet owners", the very same people who will be attending his birthday party/fundraiser!

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:21 | 1517621 Reptil
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run Forrest, run!

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:21 | 1517619 Panafrican Funk...
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Anyone else think it's weird that we tax payroll?  Doesn't that specifically discourage hiring?  Isn't that the exact opposite of what we should be doing right now?  Wouldn't our net revs increase by simply encouraging more hiring by way of eliminating the payroll tax?   Is all of the preceding essentially rhetorical?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:35 | 1517972 ElvisDog
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Payroll taxes pay for Social Security, Medicare, and Disability insurance. You eliminate payroll taxes, how we going to pay for those?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:34 | 1517686 El Viejo
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Actually, I thought the payroll tax rebate was still in effect. The best idea he's really had while in office.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:18 | 1517604 csmith
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Which is a bigger hit...the one we took in early April of this year when gasoline prices moved decisively above $3.00/gal? Or the one coming January 1 due to the payroll tax hike? Might not gas prices fall back and offset the entirety of the tax hike?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:15 | 1517595 ConfederateH
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"this was the most progressive way to provide some relief. Those same individuals/families (average income of $37,000) will be hurt the hardest when the rates go back up."


Bruce the progressive, like Obama, can't admit the truth:  This is the only way to provide income tax cuts to the 50% that pay no income taxes.  Don't expect Bruce or Obama to try to communicate that this means that these people will still expect SS even though they are not contributing their "fair share".

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:08 | 1517565 FeralSerf
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Turnip's Law:

You can't squeeze blood out of a turnip.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:40 | 1518002 akak
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And since when has failure to get that turnip blood ever stopped governments from squeezing, and squeezing more, and squeezing ever harder in the attempt to get that turnip blood?

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 22:39 | 1519389 FeralSerf
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It's their job.  That's all they know.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:52 | 1517494 AGuy
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FWIW: The AMT was a much bigger hike than the 2% payroll. If I recall correctly the 2% is for the full 15.3% (last years Payroll tax), half of which is paid by the employee (7.6%) and the other half by the employer. So the net change for workers is only 1%. For many Middle class americans the AMT was probably 4% to 10% depending on deductions and income brackets.

Probably a bigger concern for the Middle Class is rising State, Local taxes, falling wages, and job loss. The economy continues to shed jobs, fewer hours and lower paying new jobs. For the past two years, the economy was pushed up by gov't stimulous spending that has dried up.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:51 | 1517483 Ergo
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The whole thing is scary.  Income is down and taxes on individuals are going up (local taxes too).  Meanwhile, our government will borrow and print more, while big banks, defense contractors and multinationals gobble up whatever cash people have left.  And toss in whatever black swan is coming next, which we can't afford.  A perfect storm of chaos seems to be coming soon. 


Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:52 | 1517429 Mercury
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If nothing else this shows why you can't take anything seriously the government says about spending or future promises/projections about spending.  This whole debt ceiling deal is almost entirely (way, way,way) back-end loaded and not exactly binding.  Most of the "wins" will vanish long before due date just like Obama's promised FICA cut extension.

BTW - Obama's "base" is more accurately defined as those voters and contributors (both high and low!) who receive direct transfer payments from the government. And no, he hasn't folded on them. This was a battle over discretionary spending not all the crap he's already had baked into the albatros pie for us.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:37 | 1517420 Lmo Mutton
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Tax increase Bitchez!!

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:06 | 1517548 1100-TACTICAL-12
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But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." --Thomas Jefferson: Declaration of Independence, 1776. ME 1:29, Papers 1:429

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:26 | 1517902 Shell Game
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"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical"  -T.J.


Oh, how long forgotten this line of thinking has become..

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:34 | 1517399 stormsailor
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i predict the biggest increase in tax fraud in history, hahahhaahahahahaahahahahah.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 14:48 | 1517740 falak pema
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well when a state is bankrupt it has only one option : milk the sheeple. Growth is in the doldrums. Consumption is overbooked for twenty years. Investment is in speculation in financial derivatives area unrelated to real economy, ie : more of the same BS.  So you sound like Vincent Price in 'thriller'....hahahaha!

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:32 | 1517393 economessed
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When you add the reduction in average work week hours, the relentless drive for productivity gains, the sustained high price level of basic commodities, the ongoing decline in the value of the  housing stock, the perpetual increase in health care costs, and the devaluation of the dollar, YOU ALMOST FORGET THE 2% RISE IN FICA TAX.

We have plenty to worry about.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:28 | 1517369 rlouis
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to tank in 2012 - sort of like going into hyperspace in Starwars, except they get hit by an asteroid wall first...

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:24 | 1517344 Yancey Ward
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We didn't take our medicine 3 years ago, but it can't be delayed forever.  Reality is catching up quickly, now.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:46 | 1518041 Things that go bump
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We didn't take it after the bubble broke or after 09/11/2001 (remember baby bush telling us we should go shopping and not to worry our pretty little heads about things we didn't understand).  This medicine is going to be more like chemo.  We will all be spewing bodily fluids from every orifice and our hair will fall out before we die.  

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:23 | 1517335 alexwest
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kind of tired of reading Bruce blubbering lately..

I think this is an important development. It points to two things. The first is that we are economically vulnerable and we have no traditional responses. The second is that we are going to hit a very big economic wall on January 1, 2012.

As of the first of the year taxes on payrolls are going up by 2% across the board. This will suck $10b a month out of consumer’s pockets. I think it will prove to be a critical $10b.

pal, 2% FICA taxes reduction was activated on jan1 2011 ..
its been on for what , 1 year? how does it make any difference to get back to previous level?

Bruce, do you realise that currenly there'are about 100+ mnl private jobs and 45+ mln ADULTS on foodstamps..

who gives a fuck about salary taxes if THERE'S NO FUCKING jobs thus no fucking taxes..

who cares taxes are high or low , if nobody pays them ..

half nation dont pay federal income tax, but drives public roads, chidren go to public school, etc etc

ONLY CURRENTLY SHORT TERM SOLUTION IS KILL OIL SPECULATION AND MAAE OIL WORTH 40-50$. it will put 200-300 $ monthly into family pocket.. (hint, US oil imports are 10 year low, so prices should closer to 2000 level)

good luck

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 16:37 | 1518269 Bay Area Guy
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Couple things wrong with your post.  One, the expenses you talk about (roads and schools) are paid locally through all kinds of nuisance taxes, as well as property and gas taxes.  Two, as someone else pointed out, quite a bit of the increase in oil prices is because the value of the US dollar sucks.  My favorite example to use in this case is a barrel of Canadian oil that costs $100 in Canadian dollars.  One year ago, the US Dollar would get you about $1.04 Canadian, so that barrel of oil costs $96.15.  As of today, one US Dollar gets you $0.96 Canadian, so that same barrel of oil costs $104.17.  That's an 8+% increase in one year.  Did Canada get anything extra out of it?  Nope.  The only thing that changed was the crappy value of the US dollar.

Which leads me to my other pet peeve.  So many people are saying that the "evil speculators" are behind the increase in the price of oil.  Speculation is, in and of itself, not evil.  We all speculate every time we make any kind of investment decision.  If someone buys Apple stock, they are speculating the price will increase.  If someone shorts gold, they are speculating the price of gold will drop.  So, please spare me the diatribe about evil speculation.  Besides, for every transaction, there are two parties.

Now, I'm not naive enough to think that the oil market is completely above board.  If someone is manipulating the market, then, naturally, the full force of the Jedi Knights should come down.  But manipulation and speculation are two entirely different things.  So lay off the speculators and go after the manipulators.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 15:47 | 1518060 markar
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Can you spell "currency devaluation" One of a few significant factors why oil will never be $50/barrel again.Truly one of the more idiotic proposals I've read here.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:57 | 1517512 Hooter Shaker
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Public education is mostly funded by property taxes and road maintenance is mostly paid for with fuel taxes.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:21 | 1517329 kaiserhoff
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Nice catch Bruce, but it will be a cold day in Calcutta before I think of Obummer as the Boss.

Tue, 08/02/2011 - 13:20 | 1517323 nod2glod
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off topic, so where does the slang to tank come from? searched on the interwebs and apparently something to do with tennis or boxing or drinking to much beer (tankard). just asking cause a non-english first language speaker asked me and i couldnt answer.

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