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Congress to Vote Next Week on EXPLICITLY Creating a Police State

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Fri, 04/27/2012 - 18:36 | 2381325 lakecity55
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I thought it was explicit enough already.

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 17:01 | 1918618 JohnG
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rangersales.com

 

(about 2 hours to assemble)

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 15:32 | 1918294 mf7lakes
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read the actual bill --- it specifically states that US citizens are exempt ---

    (b) Applicability to United States Citizens and Lawful Resident Aliens-
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      (1) UNITED STATES CITIZENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
    • (2) LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS- The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to a lawful resident alien of the United States on the basis of conduct taking place within the United States, except to the extent permitted by the Constitution of the United States.

what the aclu wants to prevent is the detaining of ANY COMBATANT ...... WHICH IS BULLSHIT

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 16:22 | 1918373 algol_dog
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      Me thinks the line separating US Citizens from Foreigners is getting more and more blurred. Kind of like the Mexican border ... pass the guacamole please -

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:47 | 1918124 TheAkashicRecord
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      Hello friends, as if you needed something else to enrage you.  If you need an example of the military-industrial complex ..

      Why is the Pentagon spending tens of millions of U.S. tax dollars to whitewash the image of Central Asian dictatorships?

      http://tiny.cc/lyeu4

       

      More of the " we will support human rights abusers as long as they remain subservient to our national goals" sort of thing ... 

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:38 | 1918085 Mike2756
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      Ummm, why didn't the aclu post the full text on their website?

      http://ncrenegade.com/editorial/wearing-my-tinfoil-hat-today/

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:17 | 1918002 algol_dog
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      Lest anyone thought that giving up your rights and freedoms due to 911 didn't have consequences. As been said many times before, we get the government and laws we deserve. The discomfort and inconvenience in investing in and preserving our freedoms are way too much for your average drug, porn, reality television, Chinese import, addicted US citizen. This is not the "greatest generation" that fought on the shores of Normandy and saved the world from tyranny ...

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:12 | 1917973 AndrewCostello
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      This has become so outrageous and so ridiculous.  Yet, still the American people do nothing!!!

      Most of our society have become a pack of lab rats that will eat their own shit and smile about it (this is not a metaphor - there are actually tests being done on beef patties created from human sewage).

       

      If you want to go down fighting, join:

      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gun-Owners-for-a-Gold-Standard/180803025347901

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:06 | 1917950 blunderdog
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      Huh.  Well I'm a bit confused. 

      I thought this happened back in '03 when we stopped worrying about habeas corpus and used the military to pick up any/all "enemy combatants" during the war in Iraq.

      It really doesn't matter so much what the law is, that should be obvious.  There are men with guns (and sometimes badges) who can do all kinds of things to you in this country, and there's no meaningful opportunity for redress.  This has been a fascist totalitarian state for quite awhile.

      I guess those ACLU folks see value in fighting against the formalization of that fact, but I doubt it'll change anything in practice.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:02 | 1917932 DosZap
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      http://www.senate.gov/

      I STRONGLY urge those that have not done so, get on the site and tell them like it is................no pussy footing around.

      Let them know WHAT you are prepared to NOT STAND FOR.

      IF you do not tell them, then your the PUSSY.(If it passed,WHAT Have you lost?.,IF they back off YOU HAVE WON).

      A blanket declaration of your losing 235yrs of RIGHTS, will not be allowed to be  DEFILED,and IGNORED,because of some simpleton fascists in D.C.

      Hundreds,likely millions have fought and died for YOUR rights.Should we do/be any less ready to water the tree???.

      Who wants to just survive?,IF you cannot LIVE,what the hell does life mean?.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 18:57 | 1918928 Money 4 Nothing
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      I just got home from having a dinner engagement with Gov. Christie and our Senator Adiago, I brought the Bill up after dinner and Gov. Christie was not familiar with the Bill number so I briefly described it to him and he just had a blank look on his face, I asked him to look into it tonight and I am expecting an e-mail hopefully tonight.

      The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of tyrants...

      -Thomas Jefferson

       

      -JP

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 15:31 | 1918289 AndrewCostello
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      This is the entire problem - there are far too few of us who actually harass their politicians to try and make them obey the law and act honestly.  On the occasions I have confronted politicians and asked them to justify their behavior, I have been alone.

       

      We have already lost many of our freedoms, but if you don't want to lose more, then people NEED TO TAKE ACTION.  Here is a great group you can join that is actually exposing some of the corruption that goes on.

       

      http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gun-Owners-for-a-Gold-Standard/180803025347901

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:02 | 1917930 non_anon
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      send in the Drones

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:00 | 1917920 xcehn
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      The police state is watching you in Amerika's capital:

      https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?9023-Vast-Surveillan....

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:59 | 1917915 Fred Hayek
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      The proposed bill is so vile, so despicable that any senator who doesn't do everything possible to stop this crap deserves to be shitcanned at his or her next election. Even the, apparently, good few like Rand Paul. You cannot take an oath to uphold the constitution and let shit like this pass.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:52 | 1917882 DosZap
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      As stated in a post last night, I emailed my Senators and flat out told them if this passed..............their will be immediate repercussions.As I will personally take it as an act of declared WAR on innocent Americans, and the Founding documents, so they had best get their asses in gear, and get this shut down.ASAP.

      Because their willl be an  immediate response, and not in their favor.You want an Arab spring?,they were unarmed, and we are LEGION.

      PS: Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) IS  a no good PUSSY,coward SOB.And the HERO McCain, can from henceforth KISS my freckled frog ass.He's a traitor also.

      To INSTITUTE these  Regs without due cause, or a DIRE emergency, is Untenable.

      I refuse to live in a Police State, and under Gestapo rules.The Constitution does not GIVE THEM THIS RIGHT.

      And as long as  I live and still breathe, IT will not stand.

      Going to take a hell of a lot more than a Northern, and Southern command to corral 20-40 million armed Americans.( I would hope they join US,by their own mouth, and oaths they are OBLIGED to do so.).

      Some of us know how to kill snakes, cut of the heads, don't worry about the tails.IF it starts, I know where I will start.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:47 | 1917870 disabledvet
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      they spy on us. they laugh when we die or commit suicide in our own American home or in our own American work place while they watch. we laugh when Israel gets wiped off the map or Goldman Sachs loses everything because the EU implodes. Eh. It's all we are right now. it would be nice to have a new narrative of course. something truly "American" comes to mind. We shall see. Politics has cycles too and the current "totally insane phuck everything the American people are variant" doesn't look to stand the test of any time...let alone this time. It obviously doesn't even work for Israel let alone Washington DC. No less than Thomas Jefferson himself said "the tree of liberty must be soaked with the blood of patriots" of which i am card carrying member of course! Lest people think patriotism is "the last refuge of a scoundrel" however without them you would have no liberty whatsover--let alone commerce. Methinks the panicky insanity of DC isn't part of some "round up" per se but the fact that the Federal Government has successfully bankrupted every State and local government within the USA. Who to blame? Blame your neighbor who hasn't paid his property taxes in ten years while you have. And when their property comes up for sale the bid is 20 grand. no more.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:38 | 1917825 g speed
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      Do not be afraid--- the fire chief in my town was shaken down by the FBI last month-- It seems his kid downloaded music ---- the FBI went through this guys house and took stuff -- the fire chief has all kinds of friends in the sheriffs department and local police -- he was not amused. He tells me every things fixed, but I see the body language--

      The war will be between the cops and the Cops-- pick a side and place your bets

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:28 | 1917791 lakecity55
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      A side purpose of training the armed forces in Iraq in counter-insurgency was to enable those same skills to be put to use in the Republic.  The tactics can be used to seal off a specific urban area, then go on S&D, arrest of "dissidents" and illegal detainment in violation of habeas corpus.

      That being said, the armed forces do not have some infallible or invulnerable ability. They cannot pacify an entire state, for example. When The Oval Office Puppet is told to pull the plug, and we begin to see illegal actions and such perpetrated against fellow citizens, we will have to copy the Iraqis and resort to counter-insurgency ourselves. There is no way to master an armed American-citizen-patriot insurgency.

      So, why order Talibama to pull the switch? I have always thought since he began his obvious attacks on business, investors, tazpayers, etc. that a second and almost as important goal of his backers is to crash the nation via civil war if the coming power grab fails. In studying Wm. Ayers' book, it was obvious they would accept the destruction of "American Imperialism" if they failed to institute a soviet-styled police state.  The next 12 months should be interesting.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:22 | 1917767 apberusdisvet
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      Methinks the various Tylers and Marla should have another passport and the means to disappear at a moments notice.

      Please Tyer; have a remote controlled nuke switch or the archive of posts when "they" come.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:20 | 1917753 Flammonde
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      Cassandra by Robinson Jeffers The mad girl with the staring eyes and long white fingers
      Hooked in the stones of the wall,
      The storm-wrack hair and screeching mouth: does it matter, Cassandra,
      Whether the people believe
      Your bitter fountain? Truly men hate the truth, they'd liefer
      Meet a tiger on the road.
      Therefore the poets honey their truth with lying; but religion—
      Vendors and political men
      Pour from the barrel, new lies on the old, and are praised for kind
      Wisdom. Poor bitch be wise.
      No: you'll still mumble in a corner a crust of truth, to men
      And gods disgusting—you and I, Cassandra.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:59 | 1917684 Subprime Society
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      The camps are already set up.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:48 | 1917899 LouisDega
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      Do they serve Pancakes? Love pancakes. And waffles too

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:51 | 1917661 Tic tock
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      Nuts to the politics, the US Military - scared shitless kids with big guns' - oh sweet fuck -

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:32 | 1917589 hivekiller
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      “And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?... The Organs would very quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt! If...if...We didn't love freedom enough. And even more – we had no awareness of the real situation.... We purely and simply deserved everything that happened afterward.”
      ? Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:45 | 1917635 MarketTruth
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      Well, Obama did promise "Chains you can bereave in."

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:04 | 1917481 Lmo Mutton
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      It is not going to be a fair fight until we are outnumbered 100 to 1.

      Bring it.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:03 | 1917477 hivekiller
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      Wait until they start rounding up and killing all the useless eaters. Will the braindead population still cheer the govt. on?

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:10 | 1917721 Whoa Dammit
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      Yes. The brain dead eaters will cheer the killing of the other useless eaters, because there will be less competition for the $2 waffle makers at Walmart.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:00 | 1917458 3ringmike
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      Will surfing be considered a national threat?

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:06 | 1917483 Money 4 Nothing
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      May not fall under the case of "Nation Threat" but does fall under the new Feds waterway act and S-510. Control of all water (it was in the verbage) right down to a puddle of water in your driveway. Go search.

       

      -JP

      Thu, 12/01/2011 - 23:48 | 1937236 VelvetHog
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      In Colorado it is currently illegal to collect rain water from your roof.  If you don't own water rights that water belongs to someone else.  If someone allows their rain to fall on your roof and the roof leaks and destroys your house you are fucked.  No recourse.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 12:31 | 1917586 Jena
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      I sure hope not but they're getting around that by contaminating coastal waters.  Stay healthy!

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 11:58 | 1917454 Nage42
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      When you look around the room and it's _you_ who have the most weapons arrayed against your "enemies," then it is YOU who are the enemy.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:20 | 1917755 Nels
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      Or just maybe, you are the only one who has read history and is paranoid enough.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 11:47 | 1917412 Bansters-in-my-...
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      One question.

      Who the fuck votes these people into power...????!!!!!!

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 11:49 | 1917418 Money 4 Nothing
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      Diebold...

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 14:25 | 1918026 whstlblwr
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      Do something about it. In Serbia they expect status quo would fix election. They prepared and won.

      http://howtostartarevolutionfilm.com/

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:39 | 1917834 Uncle Remus
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      Word.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 11:44 | 1917396 Bansters-in-my-...
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      The senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this President -

      and evey future President - the power to order military to pick up and imprison,without charge or trial civlians anywhere in the world.

      '''''..... The only way a US Military personnel would pick me up on foriegn soil would be DEAD.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:16 | 1917743 SteveNYC
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      Word.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:09 | 1917719 disabledvet
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      apparently they don't even do that well either.
      http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/story/2011-11-08/air-force-morgue-...

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 11:38 | 1917374 AchtungAffen
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      "THERE IS STILL A CHANCE TO STOP IT"

      NO THERE AINT

      The reason is simple. You used the term "ACLU" several times in your article. Even had the temerity of using it as your source. Neglecting the fact that such a term produces an emotional reaction, pre-indoctrinated on many readers here, in which the rational mind stops and the catchphrases, reductions and publicized associations arise: ACLU = COMMIE = BAD. And thus the topic of it all ends up on the facade of the evils of the ACLU, rather than on the substance of an oncoming police state. The US is done for, and this is the reason why.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:33 | 1917810 TAfool
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      "....Neglecting the fact that such a term (as the ACLU)  produces an emotional reaction, pre-indoctrinated on many readers here, in which the rational mind stops...."

      You don't give the readers much credit. I think you are underestimating the majority and judging by the vocal. The ACLU has done a lot of misdeeds and misteps (trampling many for the sake of a few) but has also done some terrific justices.

      Personally, I don't care if one is a Libertarian, Liberal, Librarian or just a Libtard so long as they put the country and the Constitution first and uphold what it represents.

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 11:34 | 1917348 Money 4 Nothing
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      Sorry folk's, but the Police State is already here, they are just making it public knowledge and yes, it will go through gaurenteed, after the bill passage, they will begin their round up of those they consider "Enemies of the State".. Americans. If your curious to see if you have become an enemy of the state, search: MIAC report. You may be suprised how many do.

      Right wing, gun owners, Ron Paul supporters (stickers) Precious metal horders, food hoarders, and Mainly, returning Vet's of the United States military forces. Protesters or anything that may hobble this adminestrations effort to further subjugate the USA.

       

       The Senate is set to vote on a bill next week that would define the whole of the United States as a “battlefield” and allow the U.S. Military to arrest American citizens in their own back yard without charge or trial.

      “The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself,” writes Chris Anders of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office.

      Under the ‘worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial’ provision of S.1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which is set to be up for a vote on the Senate floor Monday, the legislation will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), who supports the bill.

      The bill was drafted in secret by Senators Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.), before being passed in a closed-door committee meeting without any kind of hearing. The language appears in sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA bill.

      “I would also point out that these provisions raise serious questions as to who we are as a society and what our Constitution seeks to protect,” Colorado Senator Mark Udall said in a speech last week. One section of these provisions, section 1031, would be interpreted as allowing the military to capture and indefinitely detain American citizens on U.S. soil. Section 1031 essentially repeals the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 by authorizing the U.S. military to perform law enforcement functions on American soil. That alone should alarm my colleagues on both sides of the aisle, but there are other problems with these provisions that must be resolved.”

      A d v e r t i s e m e n t
      This means Americans could be declared domestic terrorists and thrown in a military brig with no recourse whatsoever. Given that the Department of Homeland Security has characterized behavior such as buying gold, owning guns, using a watch or binoculars, donating to charity, using the telephone or email to find information, using cash, and all manner of mundane behaviors as potential indicators of domestic terrorism, such a provision would be wide open to abuse.

      “American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?” asks Anders.

      The ACLU is urging citizens to call their Senator and demand that the Udall Amendment be added to the bill, a change that would at least act as a check to prevent Americans being snatched off the streets without some form of Congressional oversight.

      We have been warning for over a decade that Americans would become the target of laws supposedly aimed at terrorists and enemy combatants. Alex Jones personally documented how U.S. troops were being trained to arrest U.S. citizens in the event of martial law during urban warfare training drills back in the 90?s. Under the the National Defense Authorization Act bill, no declaration of martial law is necessary since Americans would now be subject to the same treatment as suspected insurgents in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

      If you thought that the executive assassination of American citizens abroad was bad enough, now similar powers will be extended to the “homeland,” in other words, your town, your community, your back yard. 1984 bitchizz.

      -JP

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 19:41 | 1919119 StychoKiller
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      "There's no way to rule innocent men.  The only power any government has is to crack down on criminals.  Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them.  One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.  Who wants a nation of law-abiding citizens? 
      What's there in that for anyone?  But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted -- and you create a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt.  Now that's the system, Mr. Rearden, that's the game, and once you understand it, you'll be much easier to deal with." -- Dr. Floyd Ferris, "Atlas Shrugged"

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:15 | 1917740 Whoa Dammit
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      McCain, the famous POW drafts a bill to allow any American anywhere to become a POW of the USA. How sick is that?

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 13:29 | 1917795 g speed
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      thats why I didn't vote for that Manchurian candidate in the last election --

      Sun, 11/27/2011 - 09:22 | 1917192 DavosSherman
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