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Constitutional Expert: “President Obama … Says That He Can Kill You On His Own Discretion" Without Charge or Trial
OBAMA SAYS HE CAN ASSASSINATE OR INDEFINITELY DETAIN AMERICANS ON AMERICAN SOIL WITHOUT ANY DUE PROCESS OF LAW
I've previously noted that Obama says that he can assassinate American citizens living on U.S. soil.
This may sound over-the-top.
But nationally-recognized constitutional law expert Jonathan Turley (the second most cited law professor in the country, one of the top 10 lawyers handling military cases, who has served as a consultant on homeland security and constitutional issues and is a frequent witness before the House and Senate on constitutional and statutory issues, who ranked 38th in the top 100 most cited ‘public intellectuals’ in a recent study by a well-known judge) said yesterday on C-Span (starting at 15:50):
It's even worse than coming into your house. President Obama has just stated a policy that he can have any American citizen killed without any charge, without any review, except his own. If he's satisfied that you are a terrorist, he says that he can kill you anywhere in the world including in the United States.
Two of his aides just were just at a panel two weeks ago and they reaffirmed they believe that American citizens can be killed on the order of the President anywhere including the United States.
You've now got a president who says that he can kill you on his own discretion. He can jail you indefinitely on his own discretion
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I don't think the the Framers ever anticipated that. They assumed that people would hold their liberties close, and that they wouldn't relax those fingers ...
THE GOVERNMENT HAS NEVER GIVEN A RATIONALE FOR ASSASSINATION
While one might assume that the government has given a valid justification for his claim that he can assassinate anyone anywhere, the Washington Post noted yesterday regarding assassination by drone:
In outlining its legal reasoning, the administration has cited broad congressional authorizations and presidential approvals, the international laws of war and the right to self-defense. But it has not offered the American public, uneasy allies or international authorities any specifics that would make it possible to judge how it is applying those laws.
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“They’ve based it on the personal legitimacy of [President] Obama — the ‘trust me’ concept,” [American University law professor Kenneth Anderson] said. “That’s not a viable concept for a president going forward.”
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Under domestic law, the administration considers [assassinations] to be covered by the Authorization for Use of Military Force that Congress passed days after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. In two key sentences that have no expiration date, the AUMF gives the president sole power to use “all necessary and appropriate force” against nations, groups or persons who committed or aided the attacks, and to prevent future attacks. [But the government just broadened the authorization for use of military force from those who attacked us on 9/11 to include the Taliban and the vague category of "associated forces".]
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The authorization did not address targets’ nationality or set geographical boundaries, and there was “nothing about the permission of the government” of any country where a terrorist might be found, the former official said.
ALMOST ANY AMERICAN COULD BE ARBITRARILY LABELED A "TERRORIST"
As I've previously noted, this is especially concerning when almost any American could be labeled a "terrorist" if the government doesn't happen to like them:
It is dangerous in a climate where you can be labeled as or suspected of being a terrorist simply for questioning war, protesting anything, asking questions about pollution or about Wall Street shenanigans, supporting Ron Paul, being a libertarian, holding gold, or stocking up on more than 7 days of food. [And the FBI says that activists who investigate factory farms can be prosecuted as terrorists.] And see this.
And it is problematic in a period in which FBI agents and CIA intelligence officials, constitutional law expert professor Jonathan Turley, Time Magazine, Keith Olbermann and the Washington Post have all said that U.S. government officials “were trying to create an atmosphere of fear in which the American people would give them more power”, and even former Secretary of Homeland Security – Tom Ridge – admitst hat he was pressured to raise terror alerts to help Bush win reelection.
And it is counter-productive in an age when the government – instead of doing the things which could actually make us safer – are doing things which increase the risk of terrorism.
And it is insane in a time of perpetual war. See this, this, this and this.
And when the “War on Terror” in the Middle East and North Africa which is being used to justify the attack on Americans was planned long before 9/11.
And when Jimmy Carter’s National Security Adviser told the Senate in 2007 that the war on terror is “a mythical historical narrative”. And 9/11 was entirely foreseeable, but wasn’t stopped. Indeed, no one in Washington even wants to hear how 9/11 happened, even though that is necessary to stop future terrorist attacks. And the military has bombed a bunch of oil-rich countries when it could have instead taken out Bin Laden years ago.
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And – given that U.S. soldiers admit that if they accidentally kill innocent Iraqis and Afghanis, they then “drop” automatic weapons near their body so they can pretend they were militants – it is unlikely that the government would ever admit that an American citizen it assassinated was an innocent civilian who has nothing at all to do with terrorism.
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My apologies in advance for the dismal repitition of:
10 rules for living in a totalitarian state
1. vote for Ron Paul. Our only hope of stoping the madness.
2. keep your mouth shut, your head down. Get a menial job, blend in.
3. develop some spiritual faith
4. read koestler, soltzenitsyn,frankl, etc
5.if apprehended, give up all hope of release. if released, get the fuck outta town, immediately, before you are reapprehended.
6. while detained, keep your mouth shut. as in, DONT SAY A SINGLE SOLITARY WORD.
7. dont sign ANYTHING
8. don't believe anything you are told. they are liars. they will never let you go. if you are lucky you will be killed during interrogation.
9. don't let a long sentence get you down. did you really think they'd let you go? forgive yourself for breaking down under torture.
10. once in the prison camp, make sure you let it be known you have food service skills, or, if not that then metal working skills. bakers have access to food. blacksmiths, welders and machinists have access to heat. oh. you're a financial services guy with no manual skills? you'll die from puishing a wheelbarrow through the freezing mud on 700 caloriea a day, I'm sorry.
And, please... start living off the grid ahead of time. If they can't find you, they can't cage you.
11. Or.. Buy lots of weapons and be that Patriot hold out. Die on your feet, not on your knees. Fuk that, I will not bow to the new nobility, even if they are self appointed. Go buy yourself a shit tonn of protection from your treasonist Administration.
I am the III%
http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-three-percenter.html
I'm still depressed after finding out that I may be a terrorist.
The FEMA website tells me to store at least 2 days worth of food.
They didn't say anything about storing too much.
It's so confusing. Is FEMA supporting terrorist activity?
2 days is OK. A week is pushing it though.
What ever the government tells you you should probably just ignore.
"TRUTH is the enemy of the STATE"
Paul Joseph Goebbels was a German politician and Reich Minister of Propaganda in Nazi Germany
FEMA is our new Government under declaration of Emergency, just nobody realizes it yet. FEMA = disaster delay, not disaster assistance. Remember Katrina? FEMA turning away life supporting commodities? They sent them driving all around the nation with ice and water etc.. instead of sending them over the Pontchartrain Causeway.
Search: Mt. Weather.
Just think of all the Republican targets around the US.
What did anyone expect from a marxist POS?
“President Obama … Says That He Can Kill You On His Own Discretion" Without Charge or Trial"Well the deranged US Govt has been doing it all across the Globe for 50 years. So about time the Americans enjoyed the taste of exported Apple Pie on homeland soil
..they might realise what they've been funding with their tax Dollars these decades oblivious on their sofas to paying the wages of global tosspots, the CIA and military
Wake me up when the Goon Squad bombs your town, arrests farmers and puts whole US States under martial Law because they think a terrorist may be somewhere in the area
...enjoy the taste of "democracy".. American style
I guess we can use "self defense" ?
It's a whole other story when the people start shooting back...
There are not enough 'goons' to do what you are saying. It can only be done with the consent of the majority of the people being policed. If you don't want a police state you need to fight for the minds of the mid-level manager of the 'goons'. The government can't do anything without the support of such as the police precinct commanders and army company commanders. Where their hearts go will determine the future. That is unless the government can convert the HFT algos into robocops, in which case Skynet wins.
Your expectations of the militarized police and calloused military are likely unrealistic.
They have been brainwashed into believing that they must do "whatever is necessary" to defeat the "terrorists" and "associated forces", and whoever gets in their way is a de facto "enemy".
They most all will follow orders and many will enjoy it.
Watch Miami police video
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28103Atrocities ignored and covered up
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28275
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30016.htm
Plan B – How to Loot Nations and Their Banks Legally
By David Malone
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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8632.htm
The Myth of American Exceptionalism
By Howard Zinn
( video lost? )
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http://maxkeiser.com/
[KR255] Keiser Report: Victims of Banking Terrorists
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCu3fpg83TY
Money As Debt II-Promises Unleashed-Full Length Documentary
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comment: the precedent for the president is the end
of the government. kim jong il would be proud.
also, if the bankers want someone/s dead the president
can have them killed for a price, right? that would be
all part of doing god's work to sustain fiat debt regiments.
god wants more debt slaves, apparently, and more dead dissenters.
so here i come to the conclusion that the reason muslims seem to
be the identified terrorist is because they don't support usury in
the banking system, the war on terror is really a war on sound money
and labor.
could it be?
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Kim Jong il Crying BODY LANGUAGE ANALYSIS - newsreader really sad or not?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOeBZ6STZgA&feature=related
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??????????? Cry for Kim Jong Il (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HN4NNnVjCM&feature=related
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The media assassinates more in a day than the government in a lifetime. The cyber war currently raging is nothing short of apocalyptic. We never laid out any law to it...now the battle is joined. It's fought inside your body, inside your head, inside your thoughts, inside your beliefs. When Gingrich says he wants to get rid of judges and the media applauds that says all you need to know. As a consequence "enter cyber command."
Wtf media applauded? Most that I read treated his comment as the dumbassness that it was.
I'm more worried about the actual, physical threat that the NDAA is, as opposed your existential one. You can always turn off the TV.
Hey Gully
The little women already has a smile on her face, she backed up the truck last week as you sold all your precious in a panic cause Fartman told you it was over.
But that's OK, get back at 2500
Oh one more thing, I took care of your wifey for ya as mine backed up the wheels.
mogul rider
To be drunk this early in the AM is probably a serious problem and you should seek counciling immediately.
Unless you are LARPING Leaving Las Vegas and got stuck with the Cage role.
It clearly shows how Marxists have taken over your government. The only two pieces missing are
1. Gulags
2. Siberia.
But then again, you Las Vegas and Alaska
Boy it is truly amazing how the commies have slowly slipped into all the key positions without you even knowing.
Until of course the Messiah opened his idiot yap and you realize that he has 300 years of hate on for white folks with cash.
That's what happens when you try to keep up with the Jones. The Stalin's slip into the back bedroom
Soetro, the illegal alien, will make Stalin look like a Boy Scout.
Failure to understand the powers that are now promoting totalitarianism, and indiscriminately labeling "marxists" as the "cause" only opens the door wider for the real present-day seekers of totalitarian rule.
Reichstag Fire Decree of 1933
§ 1. Articles 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124 and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. It is therefore permissible to restrict the rights of personal freedom [habeas corpus], freedom of opinion, including the freedom of the press, the freedom to organize and assemble, the privacy of postal, telegraphic and telephonic communications. Warrants for House searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.
He is going to have us killed for our own safety, makes sense to me. Obama 2012!!!!!
:::This is Sarc extreme:::
Meet my lil friend!!!!!
mogul rider
"Meet my lil friend!!!!!"
Sell some of your Gold and get the enlargement surgery.
Put a smile on the little womans, or mans, face when they see the new you.
Sieg Heil!
i want my banna republic back
stant
http://bananarepublic.gap.com/
50 per cent off sale right now.
I trust Obama more than that jerk Boner, the teatards, and last but not least the fuck'in obstructionist Repubic's. Congrats, you just pissed in your mess kit today!
Whats the matter, Sanova? things slow over at media matters? Might as well advertise that you're an idiot?
Lol. You so funny it make my berry hurt. You go now, too drunk to stand light. I call you taxi.
Are you out of your mind? Or you just don't live in the USA?
Bwahahaha...you actually trust any of them?? What a mental midget!
SaOvaBeach if you cannot see they are all cut from the same cloth, YOU are either totally Blinded or you are the enemy!
wake the hell up.
U.S. soldiers admit that if they accidentally kill innocent Iraqis and Afghanis, they then “drop” automatic weapons near their body so they can pretend they were militants
Reduces the paperwork, in line with the Paperwork Reduction Act. A popular technique, probably since Babylonian times.
Decades ago I was a legal intern at the L.A. DA's office. We had a case where a suspect being arrested grabbed the officer's holstered gun. The officer then produced a "spare gun" and shot the guy. I knew about guns and could see that this spare gun was a Saturday-night special, not something a professional would rely on as a spare. I was quietly told that many officers carried such guns, usually confiscated from arrestees, in case they ever shot an unarmed suspect. Just put the gun into the dead man's hand; case closed.
Reduces paperwork, saves time, a win-win all around.
GoldBricker
Wow I have seen that same story, well the drop piece, in virtually every cop movie and tv show ever made.
You must have been REAL niave to not know that.
Indeed. It was 1978, I was fresh out of law school and very naive about the world. I must've missed those episodes of Dragnet and Hawaii 5-O where the cops pulled that move.
GoldBricker
Episode five Dano planted one.
Pretty sure it was covered in cop movies from the forties on.
Then again you may have lived in Idaho where reception was terrible
You're being more of a dick than usual.
Jo Stalin would be most impressed with US law makers. Every form of corruption and perversion now legal among the US elite.
Kina
"Jo Stalin"
Joseph Stalin's hot daughter?
http://www.collectorsarmoury.com.au/images/Photos/Girls%20and%20Guns%20R...
Maybe he means the girls of the siloviki ("the powers that be")
http://exiledonline.com/international-womens-day-special-girls-of-the-si...
GoldBricker
My Ukranian neighbors daughter is the spitting image of
Anna Minina, Press Secretary, Ministry of Emergency Situations, Vladimir Oblast.
There are only 12 models of Russian cylon babes, but all of them look great, are smart, and have those sexy accents.
OK, GW I buy into it, but how about links to organizations, etc or others that we can join and cpontribute to, sign petitions to fight some of this stuff. you passed in good info, but give me the tools to get further involved./
dcb
Try this one
FUTURE FEMA CAMP RESIDENCY PROGRAM
US GOV WASHINGTON DC.
Make sure to include your GPS coordinates so they can send a drone for you and cut down on police overtime.
Hold on, I'll get my jamming transmitters warmed up...
GoldBricker
Dude, they can't send a drone then they couldn't seize your property for resale.
Sure they will, they'll just blow you up on your driveway.