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Debt Ceiling Negotiators Propose a "Super Congress" To Do the Dirty Work and Avoid the Wrath of Voters

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Huffington Post reports:

Debt ceiling negotiators think they've hit on a solution to address the debt ceiling impasse and the public's unwillingness to let go of benefits such as Medicare and Social Security that have been earned over a lifetime of work: Create a new Congress.

 

This "Super Congress," composed of members of both chambers and both parties, isn't mentioned anywhere in the Constitution, but would be granted extraordinary new powers.

 

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Legislation approved by the Super Congress ... would then be fast-tracked through both chambers, where it couldn't be amended by simple, regular lawmakers, who'd have the ability only to cast an up or down vote. With the weight of both leaderships behind it, a product originated by the Super Congress would have a strong chance of moving through the little Congress and quickly becoming law. A Super Congress would be less accountable than the system that exists today, and would find it easier to strip the public of popular benefits.

Michael Rivero comments:

This article is correct. The Constitution does not provide for such a sham. This group of 12 will do the dirty work so that the rest of Congress can evade the wrath of the voters in 2012. No doubt the 6 Senators will not be up for re-election in 2012 while the 6 house members will either be impossible to defeat or predicted to lose anyway no matter what they do.

 

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Mon, 07/25/2011 - 14:47 | 1491404 digalert
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In the words of Nigel Farage:

"who the hell do they think they are?"

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 14:10 | 1491242 hooligan2009
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george!! the answer to the debt ceiling is simple! set one we can afford. this is simply a function of the total tax take, less the amount handed back to the tax payers and that will leave the debt servicing that can be afforded times the 100/the financing rate..how simple is that? ok, so what does that mean?  200 billion a year (10%) times 25 = 5 trillion. all spending should be capped at 1.8 trillion and the debt ceiling capped accordingly, using a chapter 11 bankruptcy equivalent to give everyone a 60% haircut on their holdings of US treasuries. this can be applied to all countries and their financing rates..i might just psot it til i get so junked I get promoted to the IMF!

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:31 | 1491100 oldmanagain
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Dysfunctional beyond belief.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:48 | 1490951 HungrySeagull
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I refuse to accept the manuvering to create something out of what was ALREADY FIXED IN PLACE BY THE CONSITUTION when THIS NATION WAS CREATED!!!!

THE GODDDAMN CONGRESS IS TRYING TO GET OUT OF ACTUALLY WORRYING ABOUT MONEY~~ THEY ARE CONFUSING THE YOUNG AMERICANS WHO DON'T KNOW THIER HISTORY!!!

/rant

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:35 | 1490872 John Rotten
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Revolution bitchez!

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:05 | 1490513 High Plains Drifter
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Anonymous and LulzSec tell FBI where to go. Hmmm, keep talking boys. You have piqued my interest. If you are not afraid of going to jail and you are doing this all for a defined purpose, then perhaps we have underestimated the resolve of these people and the reasons they are doing what they do....

On the file-sharing PasteBin website the hackers often use to post various statements, as well as files they have hacked, Anonymous said this, in part:

Now let us be clear here, Mr. Chabinsky, while we understand that you and your colleagues may find breaking into websites unacceptable, let us tell you what WE find unacceptable:

* Governments lying to their citizens and inducing fear and terror to keep them in control by dismantling their freedom piece by piece.
* Corporations aiding and conspiring with said governments while taking advantage at the same time by collecting billions of funds for federal contracts we all know they can't fulfil.
* Lobby conglomerates who only follow their agenda to push the profits higher, while at the same time being deeply involved in governments around the world with the only goal to infiltrate and corrupt them enough so the status quo will never change.

Hmmm, I must say. I am impressed.......i cannot find fault in anything they have said.........

http://technolog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/07/21/7133871-hackers-to-fbi-w...

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:17 | 1490337 gwar5
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This just smells like a coup. It has death panel for self-government written all over it.

 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:21 | 1490569 vamoose1
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Right on both of you,   what this Government is doing here is  the most disgraceful thing  i have ever seen a Government do, short of undeclared war  and maybe not.

    To play  jejune politics with your country circling the bowl,    i agree maybe there is something  more sinister  to it,  and did the call go out to S and P  Moodys and Fitch t to threaten the downgrade,  of course it did, otherwise   The heads  of  their CEOs would be in 3 soupbowsl in Arlington by dusk.

    Jesus Christ!!!  Is there an honest person LEFT??????      FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:06 | 1490319 Arch Duke Ferdinand
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The Business of America Is War...Anti War/Obama Slogans...

http://seenoevilspeaknoevilhearnoevil.blogspot.com/2011/06/anti-waranti-...

OT: Hilarious 2 Min Vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0Uju3tYS2s

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:05 | 1490315 Zero Govt
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One giant step further from the public, one giant step further into delusion

...as if Washington isn't already in deep outer space 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:05 | 1490313 rufusbird
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They might need fewer but larger briefcases...

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:59 | 1490302 DOT
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Twelve plus one.  Sounds kinda familiar.

I rather think the idea might have a positive benefit. Only one clip required.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:58 | 1490299 Anonymouse
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Senator Palpatine.....paging Senator Palpatine....

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:57 | 1490297 NidStyles
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Sounds more like Super Centralization. What else would you expect from the Communist Huffpo.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:20 | 1490347 kridkrid
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Your post makes no sense.  The Huffington Post is reporting it, not creating it.  In fact, it would seem that the Huffington Post (or at least the author of the article) is calling it out as unconstitutional.  I'm no fan of the Huffington Post, but I have noticed those on the "right" who are being pushed around like pawns love their anti-Huffpo rhetoric.  Even if the Huffington Post is a lever to push the "left"... call it out when it's doing so, not when it's seemingly doing the opposite.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:45 | 1491147 1100-TACTICAL-12
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I'm for the truth.. The sea of bullshit that must be waded to find it, get's ever deeper..

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:45 | 1490276 Bill Blackstone
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I'm writing the Bar tomorrow.  I'm beginning to think it may have been a fool's errand.  Why study Law if there is no rule of Law?  Why take a solemn Oath to defend the Constitution of the United States when it is treated like toilet paper? 

Because we can do better, Goddamnit. 

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all [people] are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain Inalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among [people], deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of Government becomes destructive of these rights, it is the right of the People to alter or to abolish it. and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

I'm going from memory here.  Shall I continue?

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly, all experience hath shewn [sic] that [human]kind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.  But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security."

And here's where I'll paraphrase Jefferson's immortal words, and update them for our times:

Such has been the patient sufferance of the American People, and such is now the necessity which constrains us to alter our former system of Government.  The recent history of our Government is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these States. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world:

  • It has refused to honor the Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
  • It has obstructed the administration of Justice, by corrupting and debasing the once-noble offices of Bench and Bar.
  • It has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass the People, and eat out their substance.
  • It has affected to render the military independent of and superior to civil power.
  • It has combined with Corporations to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our Constitution, and unacknowledged by Law; giving its assent to their acts of pretended legislation, having been written by Corporate Counsel and not the People's elected Representatives.
  • It has deprived us in many cases, of the right to a fair trial by Jury.
  • It has transported people beyond Seas to be tried and tortured in secret upon mere uncorroborated allegations.
  • It is at this time amassing large armies of mercenaries to complete the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of cruelty and perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the leaders of a civilized nation.
  • It has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, turning neighbor against neighbor, friend against friend, to distract us from its slow abrogation of our Inalienable Civil Rights.

In every stage of these oppressions we have petitioned for redress in the most humble terms: our repeated petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A gang of thieves, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a tyrant, is unfit to be the rulers of a free people.

Nor have we been wanting in attention to our brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by our Leaders to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our ancestors' emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of humankind, enemies in war, in peace friends.

We, therefore, the representatives of the People of the United States of America, in General Congress, assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the name, and by the authority of the good People of these States, solemnly publish and declare, that these United States are, and of right ought to be free and independent States; that they are absolved from all allegiance to the traitorious buffoons who have infected our Government at all levels, and that all political connection between them and said buffoons, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as free and independent States, they have full power to levy war, conclude peace, contract alliances, establish commerce, and to do all other acts and things which independent states may of right do. And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:02 | 1491009 granolageek
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>>I'm writing the Bar tomorrow.  I'm beginning to think it may have been a fool's errand.  Why study Law if there is no rule of Law?  Why take a solemn Oath to defend the Constitution of the United States when it is treated like toilet paper?

 

ROFL.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:08 | 1490320 DOT
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I offer my assent to your remarks m'Lord.

 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:59 | 1490483 Bill Blackstone
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Duly noted.  Welcome to the Rebel Alliance.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:06 | 1490318 AGuy
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" I'm beginning to think it may have been a fool's errand. Why study Law if there is no rule of Law?"

 

I would agree. Most Attorneys earn swat in wages. Ive seen thousands of lawyers reviewing documents for $18.75 an hour. A terrible business. Only a small number of attorneys make decent money. The odds of making big $$$ in legal is worse that making the NFL, NBA cut.

 

 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:57 | 1490476 Bill Blackstone
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Well, what with Income Based Repayment and the Public Service Loan Forgiveness Program, that $18.75/hour paycheck translates to Our Glorious Student Loan™ Companies getting less of my money, which is only fair considering that debt can never, ever be discharged.  IBR caps payments at something like 15% of your AGI.  If you work for a non-profit for ten years, they'll wipe the balance afterwards.  Given that I was planning on doing public-interest work anyway, this works out perfectly.  I ran the numbers recently; assuming I'm working for slave wages for ten years, they get maybe a third of what I owe.  This is, of course, assuming that Timmeh and The Bernank don't inflate the bejesus out of the economy, in which case I'll be able to pay the entire principal with a day's wages.  It's a win-win, honestly; just requires the right point of view.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:32 | 1490242 BigJim
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Just what we needed - more government.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:21 | 1490224 Cole Younger
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Huh? The Congress has a super congress in place. They are called lobbiest and special interest lawyers. Who do you think has been writing law for the last 30 years?

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:50 | 1490287 High Plains Drifter
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it is extremely troubling that anyone born in this country would even think such a thing. so therefore, i go back to my continuing deduction about these people. they are all traitors and should be shot ...........all of them..........every damn one of them.........the government is full of traitors and every damn one of them should meet their maker, in a way similar to the way George Washington took care of business when he found traitors.........I am sick of this shit.............sick of it..........

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:16 | 1490219 DavidC
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What a great idea!

Ooops, sorry, think I might be on the wrong post.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:01 | 1490205 gwar5
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It's Official: The USA is  a banana republic

Two illegal wars without consent of congress? A "super congress" just to pay the bills? Dictators don't worry about dirty work either, is that next?

I have another solution --- 2012.  The voters will be more than happy to do the dirty work. 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:27 | 1490229 Cognitive Dissonance
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It's Official: The USA is a banana republic

Actually it was official several years now, if not at least a decade ago. But I understand your lament. I suspect we will hear this often, that "It is now official, we are a banana republic" over the next few years. Unless they start handing out bananas earlier.

Desperate men will do desperate things, of this we can be sure.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:26 | 1490228 kridkrid
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So many points in time to choose from... Here is Nixon speaking almost 40 years ago to the day (august 15, 1971): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRzr1QU6K1o - I could go with this as a date for our banana republiic-ness.  Or I could go with September 1964 and the release of the Warren Commission Report.  I mean that's what banana republics do, right?  There are too many examples from the FDR years to pick just one... I would say the same of the Wilson administration. 

Here is a great quote from Major General Smedley Butler, US Marine Corps... Maybe we've always been a bit of banana republic:

I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class thug for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902?1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 12:53 | 1490975 Bastiat
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Should be required reading in every American History class in high school.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 10:29 | 1490377 Shell Game
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We've been slipping on our Banana peel as the ink dried on the Constitution.  The war of Northern agression drilled into the States minds that Federal power was to be uncontested.  It was all over but for the crying before the first tick of the 20th century..

 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 11:25 | 1490588 kridkrid
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The judges will certainly accept the thuggary of Abraham Lincoln as a point in time to declare "banana republic".  Lots of good choices out there.  I personally like creation of the federal reserve, if I were to choos just one.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 14:12 | 1491256 Shell Game
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THAT was a deep dive into the abyss..

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:56 | 1490196 Flakmeister
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Can I haz  "Enabling Act"?

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:52 | 1490189 apberusdisvet
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Heil Barry; achtung mofos

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:52 | 1490188 rsnoble
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The shittier things get the more bullshit rules they'll make up on the fly with blatant disregard for what we want or that piece of paper thing.

I mentioned this the other day but since that blond anti-islam terrorist is proclaimed as a 'physco', what would you call engaging in wars on BS and lies and getting hundreds of thousands of innocent people killed?  Does that mean DC is 'phyco'?  You damn bet they are and imo they are capable of much worse.  If they can't get it there way, they'll just take us out of the picture. 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:51 | 1490186 Stares straight...
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How 'bout a Super Duper Congress with only one member called Der Führer!

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:06 | 1490209 SheepDog-One
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Why not? Americans would probably just LOVE it! Declare Obama new permanent ruler with 'Super Powers', americans would think it was so cool!

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:49 | 1490182 Jim in MN
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The voters aren't the problem.  Corruption is the problem.

More sunshine is the solution, not less.

We the people are the solution.

Maybe if the databases of corporate donations were programmed to autodelete every night, so all donations were anonymous....

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:59 | 1490202 Sudden Debt
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Actually, it's voters who are the problem.

Not all the voters, only those who dare to speak up.

You know who they are, they are those dangerous people who need to be locked up because they pose a threath against "America" and "Democracy".

 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 13:56 | 1491176 r101958
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Actually, the problem is the voters that don't know schmidt from shinola.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:45 | 1490169 SheepDog-One
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Let's see....how do we strip mine poor retirees benefits....OH I got it! We'll have a 'Super Congress' that we give 'extraordinary new powers' nevermind its not 'mentioned' in the US COnstitution, to fast-track the cornholing of americans. And then we wont be held accountable.

Are these people all on drugs and delusional? 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:49 | 1490181 Mike2756
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You're right, it's better to default, the retirees that are squawking now will get even less.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:27 | 1490231 SheepDog-One
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Theyll get zero soon, when the next panic hits and the Super CONgress tells the Treasury to go ahead and seize their pensions and 401k's.

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:57 | 1490199 Sudden Debt
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Oboama's contributors would never agree with you!

It's their country remember!

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:40 | 1490161 Sudden Debt
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A Super Congress would be less accountable than the system that exists today

If Americans ALLOW THIS, IT'S THE END OF FREEDOM IN AMERICA!!

This is what dicators do!

"LESS ACCOUNTABLE"?!!

FUCK MAN!!!!

So what if they decide to deploy the US Army on American soil? So what if they decide to burn the constitution?

Who ends their mandate?

ONCE THIS THING IS SET IN PLACE, THERE IS NO RETURN!!!!

 

 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:45 | 1490170 Chief KnocAHoma
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Attention Senators and Reps - If you are not going to do your job, why would we pay your salary and generous benefits?

Yeah it is a tough nut, but you wanted the job, you ran for the office. Now do your FUCKING job you ass hat fags!

I am The Chief!

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 09:08 | 1490210 SheepDog-One
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Goes back to my long talked about idea for proper government, 2 year terms maximum, and any govt salaries are paid ONLY out of budget surplus! 

Mon, 07/25/2011 - 08:38 | 1490156 grunk
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Super Congress?

Do they get capes? Do they have x-ray vision? Do they drive a really cool vehicle?

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