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Democrats: Here’s How to Force President Obama to Debate Endless War, Assaults on Our Freedom and the Out-Of-Control Fed

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We voted for Obama because we wanted change.

We voted for Obama because he promised to end Bush’s perpetual wars,
clean up the mess which Bush’s financial tzars made, and restore the
freedom and liberty which Bush attacked.

Instead, Obama:

  • Has appointed the very Wall Street insiders who helped cause the financial crisis to top posts. See this, this, this and this.

As I pointed out in September, Americans overwhelmingly want:

  • The Federal Reserve to be reined in if not abolished
  • The never-ending, open-ended, goalpost-moving wars to stop and the troops to be brought home
  • Our liberties to be restored, and the martial law indefinite detention idiocy to be reversed

As I pointed out in October:

Obama – just like the other pimps in D.C. – has institutionalized fraud as an official (if unspoken) party platform.

Americans want our liberties restored, our troops brought home, and the Fed reined in. But Obama has implemented plans for war throughout the Middle East crafted by the Neoconservatives a decade (or more) ago, and gotten us into 7 (oops …8) wars, attacked our liberties even more than Bush and allowed the Fed to dramatically expand its powers.

Americans didn’t want bailouts, but Obama helped to facilitate trillions in direct and hidden bailouts.

Obama doesn’t support the 99%. He is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

And as I wrote
last month, Obama was heckled by Occupy protesters for allowing police
brutality and mass arrests of the peaceful protesters, and because:

Banks got bailed out. We got sold out.

FORGET PARTISAN POLITICS: DEMAND A REAL DEBATE

 

Forget what you’ve been taught … the mainstream Democrats and mainstream Republicans are virtually identical on all core matters.
Obama, Gingrich, Romney and the whole sorry lot are for more war, for
further crackdowns on our Constitutional liberties, and for giving the
Federal Reserve all of the unchecked power that it wants.

Don’t fall for the old divide-and-conquer trick.

Whatever you may think of Ron Paul, he has consistently championed
three core American for three decades. Paul has consistently argued for
the following three positions which Americans overwhelmingly favor:

  • Stop the never-ending, open-ended, goalpost-moving wars
  • Restore our liberties, and stop the march towards martial law, indefinite detention idiocy, and the crack down on the Internet
  • Rein in or abolish the Federal Reserve

None of the other Republican (or Democratic) candidates support these positions, and the mainstream media has done everything it can to try to squelch debate on these issues.

HOW TO GUARANTEE A REAL DEBATE

 

Even if you intend to vote for Obama in 2012, you want him to have to
answer debate questions on these issues … and you want the mainstream
media to have to discuss them.

How can you do this?

Initially, Obama has the Democratic party nomination locked up. So Democratic primaries are not an issue.

So register as a Republican for one-year only to – as Huffington Post notes – ensure that Ron Paul gets the GOP nomination.

Even if you’ve never done so before and never will again (we all know
how bad the mainstream Republican party has been!), register one time
as a Republican to vote for Paul in the primaries.

Why?

If Paul gets the nomination, then he will debate President Obama in the election itself. Then
3 of the issues that are important to all of us – ending the stupid
wars, restoring freedom on the Internet and in the real world, and
reining in the out-of-control Fed – will finally be discussed.

Whether or not you want President Obama to be re-elected, we all
want him to be forced to answer tough questions about endless war, the
ongoing drift towards a police state, and the unaccountable Fed.

Helping Ron Paul get the GOP nomination is the way to do so.

Click here for state-by-state instructions.

Note: While many progressives and liberals
like Ron Paul, this essay does not focus on actually trying to elect
him, only to force a real debate of the issues so that President Obama
has to address them.

 

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Mon, 12/19/2011 - 23:55 | 1996533 TheFourthStooge-ing
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I think this time they'll actually blame who they are afraid of and what they are at war against: the American People and Constitution.

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:23 | 1995559 spanish inquisition
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I am voting for Ron Paul for president.

I will check the box if he is a Republican or running Independent.

If his name is not on the ballot, I will be writing it in. It is the only way left....

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:21 | 1996196 A Lunatic
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It is not the only way left. It is the only easy way left.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:15 | 1995544 DoChenRollingBearing
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Who's the "We" who voted for Obama kemosabe?  I did not.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:27 | 1995596 George Washington
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Yes, but was McSame any different:

 

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Mon, 12/19/2011 - 18:41 | 1995842 DoChenRollingBearing
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True, GW, point for you!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 19:18 | 1995922 nmewn
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Gotta agree with that too.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:07 | 1995518 gangland
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NATO shoots 5 women in afghanistan, kills one.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28261

New Photos Released of Iraq Atrocity, With Documents and Video

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=28275

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 18:57 | 1995869 john39
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yeah but, the muslims are the terrorists, everyone knows that.  look what a powerful threat they are, they destroyed three huge buildings on 911 with nothing more than box cutters....   /sarc.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:06 | 1995507 Yes We Can. But...
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Appreciate your energy and intentions, General, but cornering Obooba into a forced 'honest' debate will do no good, since he is entirely dishonest and 100% rhetoritician, and since the media will remain in the tank for him no matter how ugly he is.   When you look at Obooba on your tooba, look through him, and see Emanuel, see the sneering Axelrod, see the nutjob Ayers, see his unappealing choice of life-partner, see the con Rezko, see the union thugs, see the sycophants in the press, see the wholly fabricated past, and on and on.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:59 | 1995715 g speed
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see the old white guys he likes to bugger in the "fashonable chicago boys club"

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:00 | 1995492 San Diego Gold Bug
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The traffic flow at the Mexican border here in San Diego is going to reverse dramatically if this continues!!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 20:40 | 1996117 GeezerGeek
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I'm hoping Fidel will buy the farm and Cuba will go democratic (not Democratic!). I have a friend who hasn't been home in 50 years, and he promised he'd invite me to go with him if he got the chance. He was really irate when Obama won; said he'd had enough Communism for one lifetime. I hear they have some really great old American cars there, too.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 18:13 | 1995762 Sabibaby
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Ohhh... it hasn't already? Shhhh.... don't tell anyone, we need to get the f#c out of here before they lock this place down. 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 16:59 | 1995491 machineh
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Bruce -- did Obama sign the indefinite detention bill already?

I thought he was waiting till Christmas Eve (Saturday night), to sign it in the john of Air Force One.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 20:42 | 1996124 James
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es, It has been signed on - get this  - "National Bill of Rights Day"

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 19:16 | 1995915 nmewn
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He'll wind up using the Auto-Pen again and sign it while he lounges on a beach in Hawaii. Four hundred thousand dollars to fly the wife and kids over first on Friday, optics be damned. The whole shabang will cost us four million dollars.

Siiigh...its good to be king.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:05 | 1996165 Bob
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It's gotta suck being a republican party apparatchic, though. To have to try making hay outta the fat ass first lady and her brood putting on airs is pathetic, imo.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 22:47 | 1996366 Imminent Crucible
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That is a very disrespectful way to refer to the Empress Me-schelle de Bargeass.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 16:56 | 1995478 falak pema
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You spiel is : its the oligarchy's program, irrespective of who carries the banner. In a democracy people deserve the leaders they elect. That's the tragedy of Greece, today as yesterday. Will it be the tragedy of USA? Until it's no longer a democracy, but when the people realise that its already too late.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:00 | 1996155 Bob
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The public polls on virtually all the issues make one thing very clear, since our "representatives" do not honor our wishes:  We do not live in a genuinely representative democracy.  Just  a red-blue sham. 

I have to say that, under these conditions, it is hard to make the claim stick that voters here get what they deserve.

I'd argue for a more direct democracy--put shit on the internet.  There's no reason in today's tech environment for me to have to trust anybody to represent me.  Including Ron Paul. 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 16:55 | 1995474 NotApplicable
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Good Lord, voters get more ignorant by the day.

What's the definition of insanity again?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 16:48 | 1995439 A Lunatic
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You mean to say that lying, finger pointing, blame shifting, name calling, divisiveness, QE2 and intimidation aren't working?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 16:46 | 1995430 hwwesq3
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Obama delivered the opposite of his campaign themes.  How do we know Ron Paul won't do the same?

Goldman Sachs owns Congress, the Supreme Court and the Fed.  How will a President Paul convince Goldman to let their government make changes?

Oh, wait.  I know: Predient Paul can declare Wall Street "enemy combatants" (in secret, of course) and have them all "disappeared" into Romanian torture chambers.

Congress will listen, then, or else "disappear", and the 99% can elect fresh representatives.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:19 | 1995551 flattrader
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Ron Paul is a libertarian hypocrite.

He wants smaller government...Just small enough to fit under your bedroom door.

Ron Paul on Reproductive Rights


The sponsor of a bill to overturn Roe v. Wade, Ron Paul's libertarianism does not apply to women, though it does apply to zygotes. His is a no-exceptions anti-abortion position, essentially empowering a rapist to sire a child with a woman of his choosing. Although Paul attributes his stance on abortion to his background as an ob-gyn physician, it should be noted that most ob-gyns are pro-choice, and that Paul's draconian position tracks exactly with that of his Christian Reconstructionist friends.

Libertarian hypocracy applied to more than 50% of the US population.

 

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 19:48 | 1996016 r00t61
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Copying and pasting this into every single ZH thread doesn't make it any more persuasive or articulate.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 19:43 | 1995999 my puppy for prez
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Can you explain to me why, exactly, a living human being does not have Constitutional rights simply b/c they have the misfortune of temporarily existing under several layers of flesh?

Oh....I forgot....b/c it is an "inconvenience"!

Now I understand!

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 19:19 | 1995924 IAmNotMark
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Flattrader:  Don't let reality get in the way of your opinions.  You go ahead and vote for Obama...he'll keep abortion legal, and rape us in everyway he can.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 18:32 | 1995821 bigkahuna
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Ron Paul wants to take abortion off of the federal government's scope of policy and give it back to each state to do what it's people see fit. He does not want to use the federal governmnet to control you as the demacriminals and republicons do now. Wake up!!

Tue, 12/20/2011 - 00:12 | 1996572 TheFourthStooge-ing
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As Ron Paul becomes more of a threat to both wings of the War Party, expect to see more and more emphasis placed on wedge issues, such as abortion. This is how divide and conquer works.

Look at what has happened to this comment thread. An obvious War Party shill copied and pasted some boilerplate propaganda about abortion. It didn't even matter what position was taken. Then all it takes is a couple of subtle interlopers to take opposite sides, and the focus turns toward and is controlled by the wedge issue. This is how thoughtful debate on important issues is squelched. That's why both wings of the War Party love wedge issues.

How does it feel to be played like a fish on a hook?

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 22:06 | 1996274 el Gallinazo
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I am pro choice.  I think Paul's position on abortion is total hypocrisy in that it is not justifiable by his over all concepts of personal liberty.   That said, I support him anyway.  He is the only mainstream candidate that is not a total fascist.  One cannot be too picky in these times.

Not that it makes any difference.  They will kill him if he makes serious progress in the primaries.  They waited with Bobby until he swept California.  They won't wait that long for Paul if his campaign snowballs.  But head shots are soooo 1960's.  He will die of "natural causes" induced by some Mossad drug.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 18:25 | 1995800 TheClub55
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Flattrader - Do you actually know what woudl happen if Roe v. Wade was overturned???

 

Most people don't, its woudl become a state issue - where it belongs!!!  Read the actual constitution that peice of paper most folks wipe their a$$ with these days.  It expresses which powers the federal goverment has and everything else belongs to the states, this is very consistant with a libertarian.

Yes, some states would pass strict laws and others would not, in a free society you have the freedom to move or try to change the laws.  With the fed passing all sorts of BS laws NO ONE is happy or feels represented - MOB RULE = the 51% screwing the other 49%.

 

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:54 | 1995700 g speed
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Its not need or choice to have an abortion that he attacks, its the Federal system that makes me pay for it (68 yr old men don't want abortions and the consitution doesn't give the central gov't the power to get involved in things like that).  It might be better if a woman can go to a State that supports that to have the "proceedure". As far as "empowering a rapist" goes you've crossed the line. Your other comments toe the liberal dike talking points line. I've heard the same shit from fems and dikes for 20 years --get a life.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 17:34 | 1995633 Grinder74
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What about the baby's choice? 

You can't have Pursuit of Happiness without Liberty.

You can't have Liberty without Life.

You can't have Life if a woman chooses to ignore your humanity and destroy you like a bad zit.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 18:01 | 1995728 diesheepledie
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Inner city children are a terror threat and subject to the Defence Authorization Act. If they can be taken care of pre-natal then they should be.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 20:15 | 1996064 nmewn
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This renaissance in eugenics thinking is starting to get a little concerning. The best & brightest of academia & governments tried this horseshit a century ago.

You like the idea of the state doing your dirty deeds for you don't you? What does this wind up saying about you as a person?

That you're a coward? A statist? What?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:04 | 1996156 Dr. Acula
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Eugenics is still occurring. Whether it's minimum wage laws, immigration restrictions, or drug laws, much of the state apparatus was originally designed to cause death.

From http://www.princeton.edu/~tleonard/papers/retrospectives.pdf

"Progressive economists, like their neoclassical critics, believed that binding minimum wages would cause job losses. However, the progressive economists also believed that the job loss induced by minimum wages was a social benefit, as it performed the eugenic service ridding the labor force of the “unemployable.”"... "“[O]f all ways of dealing with these unfortunate parasites,” Sidney Webb (1912, p. 992) opined in the Journal of Political Economy, “the most ruinous to the community is to allow them to unrestrainedly compete as wage earners.”"

 

 

 

 

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:48 | 1996241 nmewn
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Exactly Doc.

How they could conviently write anyone off as "unemployable" speaks to the statist mindset as well. They would still need to survive. They would turn to the state once all other avenues were closed, by sheer volume alone.

Once there, human nature being what it is, they are trapped or addicted, however one wants to phrase it.

No one can really say (honestly) that someone enjoys waiting around for unemployment or the welfare stipend to come through when they would rather be out living their lives with family & friends.

How we break the cycle is another matter.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:30 | 1996209 john39
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Left out vaccination. Just look at the globalist push for vaccination. You know they don't give a shit about people, so why the focus on vaccination? Ugly secrets out there.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 20:30 | 1996090 diesheepledie
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Ye of puny mind. Statist? Yes. If the state is run by competent enlightened people. Unfortunately we no longer abide by the simple laws of nature; we have allowed mediocrity to infect our leadership. Only the EXPERTS in economics, foreign policy, and science should have the right to lead. Too long have we practised reverse Darwinism. Very soon we will see a reversal; a reversal towards the laws of nature and away from the greedy evil bleating sheep people.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 20:57 | 1996147 nmewn
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Fucking nazi.

"Ye of puny mind. Statist? Yes. If the state is run by competent enlightened people."

The supposedly "competent enlightened people" were the ones who taught eugenics in universities across the world. Then the students of these half wits went on to wonderful careers in lobotomy, finance and government. That worked out well didn't it?

"Only the EXPERTS in economics, foreign policy, and science should have the right to lead."

No one has a "right" to lead Goebbels.

"Very soon we will see a reversal; a reversal towards the laws of nature and away from the greedy evil bleating sheep people."

lol...I'm obviously conversing with a MDB clone. 

But in case I'm not...you (and your ilk) are the reason the two sides will never agree. I've had honest disagreements with otherwise rational people over exactly what you're saying.

Everything in life does not break down into a cost benefit analysis for the state.

You cannot assume you will use the power of the state to force your will on me whether its my salt/sugar/alcohol intake to keep your health insurance costs low or my personal ability to use force to throw assholes like you out of power.

It is, afterall, a law of nature.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:03 | 1996161 diesheepledie
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You baulk at the basic notion that there are "laws of nature"? That the survival of the fittest and the optimisation of the species should not be our goal? For all I know of you, you could be a lowly leach on society, contributing nothing. If so, are you saying that you should have power? The power to use force to effect society?

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:28 | 1996201 nmewn
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I balk at nothing.

I'm saying you are the one who is not fit to survive being called human.

You have no compassion, no shame. devoid of anything that makes someone human. No sense of fealty to your fellow man outside of them being subservient to you or your state. It is you who presumes to be omnificent, not I. You, that deludes himself, that you have half a chance of being one of the "chosen ones".

"For all I know of you, you could be a lowly leach on society, contributing nothing."

For all I know of you, you're just a lonely janitor slinking around the locker room, getting your jollies around the showers as the inner city boys walk out.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 21:49 | 1996234 diesheepledie
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You make a lot of assumptions for one who knows nothing. No need to get personal about someone who could be nothing more than the clone of some troll - according to your own analysis. This is the first time the "chosen ones" was brought up. Why do you assume I aspire to be a member of such a group? Who would chose (other than nature), those that are genetically superior?  I think your logical processing capability is failing, or has already failed.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 22:08 | 1996277 nmewn
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At this point, you are still free to think whatever you want.

But in your brave new/old world, there may come a time that when you give voice to your thoughts, you will be screwed by your genetic superiors...royally.

This is a historically accurate representation of fact.

Now, you can play around with the big dogs all you want, but don't come groveling at my door expecting sympathy when it doesn't work out for you.

I'll put you to work at hard labor just so you can eat something...you won't like it much.

But, its natures law, you'll survive just fine...for me.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 22:12 | 1996283 diesheepledie
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So you see now. Good. We must put those who are under us as our slaves. It is natures way. I am glad you finally see this. We have a natural reaction to feel good when the lower come grovelling to us. Don't be ashamed of it. I see you are coming around.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 22:35 | 1996336 nmewn
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The thing that separates us is I only want to see you come groveling to me.

There is a distinct difference.

Mine is punishment for evil...yours is punishment for just living.

Very different concepts my man. If you can't tell the difference you are dead inside already.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 23:07 | 1996344 diesheepledie
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And everyone trusts you as the judge of who is good or evil. And it is interesting that one of your "wants" is to have another human suffering. Very animalistic of you. This is very typical of the sheeple. ... and why they must die.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 23:22 | 1996436 nmewn
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"And everyone trusts you as the judge of who is good or evil."

Trust is earned, not taken or imposed.

"And it is interesting that one of your "wants" is to have another human suffering."

Only a human that is evil at heart. How else could they possibly feel it to their fiber unless they suffer the same fate as someone genetically inferior?

"Very animalistic of you."

Know this, what you espouse will never evoke a pledge of mercy from me.

Mon, 12/19/2011 - 23:39 | 1996483 diesheepledie
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No one is asking for mercy from you. As much as you may desire it, may that day never come. You seem to have this qualitative idea of "evil", without any logic or reasoning behind it. This is something that comes from the lower functions of your psyche; what Freud would call your ID. The fact that you are letting it control you is very disturbing. When you ask yourself why we need FEMA camps to house the animals, you should go read Freud. The inability to control the ID and strengthen ego is the difference between human beings and sheeple (animals) - you have demonstrated that you are the later.

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