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"Don't Be Fooled": The Indefinite Detention Bill DOES Apply to American Citizens on U.S. Soil
Even at this 11th hour - when all of our liberties and freedom are about to go down the drain - many people still don't understand that the indefinite detention bill passed by Congress allows indefinite detention of Americans on American soil.
The bill is confusing. As Wired noted on December 1st:
It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority.”
A retired admiral, Judge Advocate General and Dean Emeritus of the University of New Hampshire School of Law also says that it applies to American citizens on American soil.
The ACLU notes:
Don’t be confused by anyone claiming that the indefinite detention legislation does not apply to American citizens. It does. There is an exemption for American citizens from the mandatory detention requirement (section 1032 of the bill), but no exemption for American citizens from the authorization to use the military to indefinitely detain people without charge or trial (section 1031 of the bill). So, the result is that, under the bill, the military has the power to indefinitely imprison American citizens, but it does not have to use its power unless ordered to do so.
But you don’t have to believe us. Instead, read what one of the bill’s sponsors, Sen. Lindsey Graham said about it on the Senate floor: “1031, the statement of authority to detain, does apply to American citizens and it designates the world as the battlefield, including the homeland.”
Another sponsor of the bill - Senator Levin - has also repeatedly said that the bill applies to American citizens on American soil, citing the Supreme Court case of Hamdi which ruled that American citizens can be treated as enemy combatants:
“The Supreme Court has recently ruled there is no bar to the United States holding one of its own citizens as an enemy combatant,” said Levin. “This is the Supreme Court speaking.“
Levin again stressed recently that the bill applies to American citizens, and said that it was president Obama who requested that it do so:
Under questioning from Rand Paul, another co-sponsor - John McCain - said that Americans suspected of terrorism could not only be indefinitely detained, but could be sent to Guantanamo:
U.S. Congressman Justin Amash states in a letter to Congress:
The Senate’s [bill] does not even distinguish between American citizens and non-citizens, or between persons caught domestically and abroad. The President’s power, in his discretion, to detain persons he determines have supported associated forces applies just as strongly to Americans seized on U.S. soil as it does to foreigners captured on a far away battlefield.
Two retired 4-star generals (Charles C. Krulak and Joseph P. Hoar) write in the New York Times:
One provision [in the bill] would authorize the military to indefinitely detain without charge people suspected of involvement with terrorism, including United States citizens apprehended on American soil. Due process would be a thing of the past.
Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson - General Colin Powell's chief of staff - says that the bill is a big step towards tyranny at home. Congressman Ron Paul says that it will establish martial law in America.
Indeed, Amash accuses lawmakers of attempting to intentionally mislead the American people by writing a bill which appears at first glance to exclude U.S. citizens, when it actually includes us:
Pres. Obama and many Members of Congress believe the President ALREADY has the authority the bill grants him. Legally, of course, he does not. This language was inserted to keep proponents and opponents of the bill appeased, while permitting the President to assert that the improper power he has claimed all along is now in statute.
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They will say that American citizens are specifically exempted under the following language in Sec. 1032: “The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States." Don’t be fooled. All this says is that the President is not REQUIRED to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or trial. It still PERMITS him to do so.
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The US is an abstraction, and thus no one "lives inside of it." As for voting, my vote is consistent, yet not allowed on most ballots. It is NOTA.
I do not consent to be governed by others, nor do I respect anyone who would hold a gun to my head claiming it's necessary to make the world a better place. These are the ideas of wishful-thinking children, not that of mature adults who understand their own responsibility to themself and others.
Only idiots fight for control of the tools of social destruction. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to do the best we can to make the world a better place in spite of the violent mobs looking for legitimacy of rule, seeking to change others out of fear, being too apathetic to change the only person they have legitimate control over, their own life.
Take your fucking ballot box and stuff it up your evil ass.
So voting is evil...OK.
I agree with self-sufficiency of course, but to say voting is inherently evil is ideological to the extreme. Indeed voter participation has dwindled for decades now and the government has gotten increasingly tyrranical. If you were right and not voting was the answer things should have gotten better, yet they have gotten worse.
Sure the US and all countries are an abstraction, try explaining that to Border patrol as you carry all your guns and PMs across the "fictional line demarking an abstraction".
Sure, those are some great ideas if you are starting a colony on a distant planet, but here on earth we have a rather serious issue with government(s) gone rogue. Yes I recognize the violence inherent in states. However, to lay the blame at the feet of voters is absurd at best and blaming the victim, rapist style, at worst.
Your ideologies (also abstractions btw) are going to do exactly jack shit if/when the fascists come for your ideological ass.
Not applicable: Appropriate user name, in this case.
TPTB couldn't care less about your rights or your consent. They'll be doing the ass-cramming, thank you very much. You are owned, just like the rest of us. If you use FRN's you're already their little doggie in their dog and pony show. If you do nothing but barter, they've got you in their sights - they'll have their skim from every transaction or know the reason why and 'fix it'. Consent. How quaint.
BTW, you're a little testy - there was nothing 'evil' about the last post. Don't forget your meds.
Here's why you make me want to puke: This world is largely run by pot-bellied pedophiles. Really evil people. They own most of the wealth of the world, including the information organs people have traditionally relied on. They own the schools and universities. Their minions dominate virtually every cultural and artistic endeavor that gets wide notice. They control our laws, our money, our borders, everything. IN SPITE of this universal and often brutal control, people are resisting. Many are ready to give up all they value to fight the monsters. They are seeking out the corners of society where truth is told. And you're one who would write them off. By extension, you write off all of their ancestors, good and bad, who allowed things to deteriorate.
As far as people deserving the ass-raping they're getting, here's another natural extension of your logic: Earthquake victims deserve whatever happens to them. After all, they know earthquakes happen. Why did they trust their builder, and the 'inspector'? Why didn't they rent appropriate equipment and test every truss and beam themselves? Your logic is infantile. Counterparty/trust risk exists everywhere.
Yours is also the logic used by TPTB and every common thief: the victim is careless, they deserved it. And since 99.99% of the people on earth are being ass-raped and ushered into hell, you're saying humanity deserves it. What did little kids thousands of miles from any of this do to deserve the ass-rape? They have the wrong parents? But almost all parents are being ass-raped, so none are worth a shit, eh?
I get that people are ignorant and uninformed, but stow that shit, it's non-responsive. The raping is universal, so either 1. it doesn't matter how informed people are, the raping will proceed, or 2. the extent of the fraud and chicanery is so vast and complex that human beings, as a species, are incapable of resisting it. So the people are either not sufficiently informed, or too stupid to protect themselves from the worst among them. By your logic, those weaknesses warrant universal ass rape. Do you know of some other brilliant species waiting to occupy this real estate? No? Then let's do the best with what we have, which is humanity (minus you and your ilk)
You can see that I have the same disdain for TPTB that you do. It's your attitude toward humanity that's poison.
It will be futile, but I hope you respond. I don't suffer fools gladly.
Plus 10,000 buying Sterling. Just very well said.
They continue the march towards the pre-determined goal. They've almost completely succeeded in destroying American economically (and transferring wealth upwards in the process). Why would we be foolish enough to think that "rights" wouldn't suffer the same fate?
A century of government schooling, and a half-century of cable TV, that's why.
McCain and Levin should both be sent to Guantanamo. With everyone else who votes for this monster...
chunga
No, they should lose the Passports, and American citizenship.They are whores.Represenatives of the Republic?Both are enemies of the state.Both are guilty of breaking their Oaths, by advocating and supporting this.
McCain has gone from a respected hero, to a two dollar hooker.Levin has always been a damned commie.
Or fascist since they believe in private ownership of things with a police state, I mean that's the difference. Things aren't owned by "the Party" they are owned by PRIVATE parties. We are dealing with FASCISTS not communists. Either way we can ALL agree this is a police state measure.
+1 that's the best clean concise NUTshell of a description that I've read. May I re-quote?
FascioCorporatocraSys
I'm ok with that.
No, they should have the flappy skin under their flappy orifice ripped off by a rabid Rottweiler and left to bleed on the asphalt while the Rottweiler chews on their ass.
I am Chumbawamba.
Fuck Washington (D.C.).
Be the first in your block to write to FEMA. F1rst 1000 get to pick out the FEMA camp of their choise. California and Florida will be choise for those sunshine freaks. Yea team, Rah, rah, rah.
Time to load and lock!! Milestones
This job posting is rather frightening.
Not near as much as this job duty under Advanced Responsibilities:
Provide command and control, staff planning, administration/logistical services, and custody/control for the operation of an Enemy Prisoner of War/Civilian Internee (EPW/CI) camp
Sorry, but I use an M1 Garand so I have to Lock & Load.
I'm afraid the dogs have you outgunned and outnumbered. The ammo capacity of their weapons is also much greater than an M1 Garand's.
There may be a lot of gun owners in America, but their plan is one of Divide and Conquer. Many against the few many times.
I would never feel sorry for myself with one of John Garand's masterpiece in my hand.
It was a friggin' JOKE. The poster said, "Load & Lock", but with the M1 Garand one must "LOCK and LOAD". Sheesh!
.223=lvl III
30-06=lvl IV+
trade offs
or get ahold off a BAR.
It doesn't matter. 150 Million gun-toting pissed off Americans, not to mention Liberty-loving Patriot Military, Law Enforcement, Government Agents, can clean this crap up and throw the terriorists in Washington D.C. in prison. As our Founding Fathers stated: That It is OUR DUTY to replace our government once it FAILS to Constitutionally represent the American Citizens.
It's pretty cut and dry to me...
The next item on their "to do" list is gold confiscation.
They're making a test run as we speak. The MF Global/JP Morgan gold commodity contract and collateral confiscation is a test of The Emergency Confiscation System.
"This is a test. Do not worry. This is only a test."