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Egyptian Brutality Comes to America: Police Fire Rubber Bullets at Peaceful Protesters
This is not Egypt, Greece or Italy ... this is America:
The injured gentlemen is Veterans for Peace member Scott Olsen, allegedly shot with a rubber bullet.
This is another gentlemen allegedly shot in the face with a rubber bullet (his injury is above his right eye, while the injury to Scott Olsen appears to be on the left side of his face):
Here are police roughing up a peaceful woman protester:
And a policeman threw a flash grenade into a crowd trying to help an injured protester:
Some are calling this the "new Kent State".
And protesters from Tahrir Square, Egypt, say this is what it looked like there.
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your good, huxley
your really good
never stop
bravo!
Are you with him, I mean in the same bed? Sure sounds like it.
Well, this is it, here we go folks. Good luck to all.
How many hundreds of millions of privately-held firearms are there in the States again? (nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more...)
Vietnam war ended 5 years later after Kent State shootings.
Nazis will kill more. They don't give a shit. You are just a tax paying slave.
pay the low IQ power hungry police thugs to physically restrain higher IQ college kids is one game governing elites know how to play over and over throughout history.
I'm telling you, this is war. elite 0.1% bought the government, military, police, corporations, institutions. But they can't buy the ones they are screwing over because it is so obvious. California Universities are using tuition as revenue generation not education aid to public.
But, Aldous, without the Kent State deaths, we'd still be in Vietnam -- today.
for 'god's sake man ,... get educated
I think he's being satirical.
Oaksterdam police shooting peaceful students.
Scrape off those plans to study at the Cannabis University.
Oh,shit this is CommieFornia, explains the Asian majority, and the violence.
Answered a lot of my previous questions.
Asians are just tax paying slaves.
Plantation owners are old white government workers retired or about to retire with six figure pensions for life.
http://database.californiapensionreform.com/
THE TOP 10 LIST
Name Monthly Annual Employer MALKENHORST, BRUCE $42,472.05 $509,664.60 VERNON FUSTER, JOAQUIN $25,207.66 $302,491.92 UC LOS ANGELES GERTH, DONALD $23,635.76 $283,629.12 CSU SACRAMENTO GARRETT, WILLIAM $23,191.02 $278,292.24 EL CAJON STAHL, JAMES $22,587.99 $271,055.88 L A CO SANIT #2 SCHLAG, JOHN $21,725.87 $260,710.44 UC LOS ANGELES SCHACHTER, JULIUS $21,199.31 $254,391.72 UC SAN FRANCISC METTE, DONALD $20,083.31 $240,999.72 SACRAMENTO METR TOONE, ROBERT $19,800.53 $237,606.36 PALMDALE OKI, DIANNE $19,648.82 $235,785.84STATE COMP INS
Well now...where are all the public sector union bots that usually show up around a comment like this?
I'm enjoying the sound of crickets coming through my broken Krugman window pane ;-)
"It's not a trap!"
Contd. from nmewn and GF's 'Let's Make a Deal!'
"Just because a majority uses the ballot to pillage the minority doesn't make it correct. Just as it doesn't make it correct that the well connected minority uses power & law to take from the majority...the socialization of loss."
Isn't at all the same thing as the incredibly broad statement "No one has the right to anothers labour",it's more like two specific cases of injustice.
But sure, it's unjust for the majority to steal from a minority, just as it is unjust for a minority to steal from the majority. Stealing is unjust. If that was your point then we agree. Then again, obligation of payment for services rendered, reparations, etc. isn't stealing.
Curious: do you think eg. that landlords who have accumulated their property through inheritance are entitled to rent from the tenants?
OTOH something akin to Gold/Silver, no whimsical paper thingys, right right right. That makes two fundamental things we can agree upon (both mine). Not bad, not bad.
As there seem to be some points of contention regarding your contribution, I think it's still your turn. Try to keep in mind that you're attempting to present an example that you actually think I will completely agree with, not picking something else we'll definitely argue about; that's too easy.
Try harder to humour me this time.
"Try harder to humour me this time."
Try not to let your ego get in the way of us both having a good time here. I'm just as curious as to what makes you tick as you are of me.
"Then again, obligation of payment for services rendered, reparations, etc. isn't stealing."
This is going back to the principle (#2) I outlined earlier. No one has a right to anothers labor.
For any law to be just it must be confined to the parties involved. Generational theft is just as wrong as theft in the present. Contracts (which was a point you were making, which I deflected to get to the principle) are only honored as long as the partys are alive.
Reparations (which seems to be a continuing theme with you) is a non-starter...there are no injured/damaged parties left to accept reparations. They are all dead. And there is no one who was a slaveholder around to pay reparations. They too are all dead. If we are to go down that particular rat hole...all public money spent on the "damaged parties" behalf would have to be factored in to any judgement.
What is the value of the "damaged parties" food, clothing & shelter over the preceding generations? Of course, Britain, Spain etc. brought the practice to these shores, so what are they expected to pay, if anything?
I'm no fan of monarchs...however those monarchs & merchants & soldiers are all dead too. Their kin are expected to pay? Many of those kin live in poverty today.
Wealth is not a static proposition.
ADD the CA teachers union...they like to say "it's all for the Asian kids"
http://database.californiapensionreform.com/?vttable=calstrs
With $300k/year pension, Modesto (farm town) must be graduating bunch of illegal mexican geniuses winning nobel prizes right?!
THE TOP 10 LIST
Name Monthly Annual District ENOCHS, JAMES C $24,712.95 $296,555.40 MODESTO CITY ELE ... WENTWORTH, FREDRICK $24,207.07 $290,484.84 SAN JOAQUIN COUN ... HERNANDEZ JR, EDWARD $23,866.35 $286,396.20 RANCHO SANTIAGO ... SHATTUCK, VIRGINIA J $23,564.19 $282,770.28 NORWALK-LA MIRAD ... JAQUE-ANTON, DONNALYN E $22,809.45 $273,713.40 LAUSD SMITH, JAMES F $22,681.86 $272,182.32 EVERGREEN ELEMEN ... WAGNER, BROCKTON J $22,519.52 $270,234.24 TUSTIN UNIFIED LIM, CHRISTINE A $22,394.05 $268,728.60 SAN LEANDRO UNIF ... MILLER, MARILYN L $21,963.66 $263,563.92 HILLSBOROUGH CIT ... CASTRUITA, RUDY M $21,557.91 $258,694.92 SAN DIEGO COUNTY ...it gets better, some [most] in fl & mass get $350k - $425k
community colleges get $225k - $275k
but here's a health care 'obami' twist - hospital ceo's get million's from rinky-dink to municipalities
alittle gas on the fire
So are you guys against the statist governmental union types, or the blood-sucking capitalist cheats? Or is it anyone whose income you envy?
China Housing Bubble Bursting...property protests break out:
http://www.chinapost.com.tw/business/asia-china/2011/10/26/320950/Shangh...
Scary when 1.5 billion people get mad.
TELL HIM WHAT A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT HE IS
http://www.oaklandnet.com/contactmayor.asp
What a fucking piece of shit SHE is. Jean Quan: http://imgs.sfgate.com/c/pictures/2009/04/12/ba-oakmayor13_ph_0500017075...
Jean Quan says she has little input on Occupy raid
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/10/26/BAMD1LMMA0.DTL#ixzz1bx741bg9
She looks like about a 70 year-old Oriental woman.
Way too far over her head.
DavosSherman,
Done.
I was very polite, and to the point, and said I know there are two sides to every story.
I asked what specifically were the protesters doing to provoke the PD to using rubber bullets, and doing head shots with them.
I asked for a response as I wanted to hear his side before I passed judgment on HIM, and his PD Dept.
(Like they give a rats arse).
Welcome to Oaktown George.
The city where police refuse to investigate burglary, assault, auto theft, extortion and more, but fire rubber bullets at peaceful protesters.
http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Suffer-These-Crimes-in-Oakland-Dont...
http://www.ktradionetwork.com/nwo/oakland-police-to-only-respond-to-majo...
You can tell the tide is changing when the forces of order become the anarchists while the dissidents become the forces of order.
Oakland has been a shithole foe the last 40 or so years that I know. My sister lived a few years out there and I once visited. One day,I got run into from behind by a guy peddling a stolen bike with a sack over his shoulder. He had just robbed the building behind me. Cops called, arrive half hour later, and told us it was a waste of a call and not worth their time. Yup, that's oakland... Now, if it's time to bang up some hippies, mhell yeah, let's go!
Here is where you can find all the dirty rotten law snubbing commie hippies in Oakland
http://www2.oaklandnet.com/Government/o/OPD/index.htm
“As we look to provide better customer service on the front end, some of our other priorities will have to drop off, just by sheer volume and demands for service,” Assistant Police Chief Howard A. Jordan said.
Dom Arotzarena, president of the Oakland Police Officer’s Association, said department officials briefed the union on the move for the first time last week.
“They are going to totally change investigations,” said Mr. Arotzarena, a former homicide detective. “And I don’t necessarily think it’s going to be good. They are virtually giving up on investigations for burglary and any kind of theft.”
The violent-crime rate for Oakland (population 391,000) is nearly double that of Sacramento (466,500) and more than three times that of San Diego (1.3 million)…
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/15/us/15bcopd.html
I lived near Oakland when growing up, and it was bad. It was a getto. My impression of it in passing because I didn't go into it was that it was all poor black people. However, there are a few rich neighborhoods in the hills. I was surprised on the videos to see very few black people, because the population of black people is very high there.
I've lived away from there for 13 years, so it could have changed. But I suspect many of the OWS protesters there are coming from neighboring cities, and are not from Oakland.
rwe2late
The violent-crime rate for Oakland (population 391,000) is nearly double that of Sacramento (466,500) and more than three times that of San Diego (1.3 million)…
Have a 1st cousin lived there in the early 60's, He said it was as bad then, as it appears now.
The armpit of the USA,he called it.
This is in the 60's(late).
Yep, oopsy, shot the burglar in the face. Here's my POS gun for evidence, don't mind if it doesn't match the caliber he was made a decedant with...just a technicality." Nice thing about here is, the gators don't recognize innocence or guilt. It's just calories...
Hate to bring this up,but I do not know the population of Asians in their city, but there seemed to be a HELL of a lot more than should have been.
Think they are SALTING the reg PD w/ folks that have a lot less respect for human life,(not legals,mercs?) and no knowledge of the rights?.
This carrying loaded Mossberg's A1's I HOPE were just rubber balls.
This crap is getting serious.
Our returning military men and women will not take kindly to seeing Americans damn near blinded, and in comas, for protesting.
Jus sayin, if that was me that got shot in the head ,paybacks would be a bitch.
Gun play, and terrorism acts are going to form against this level of PoPo violence.
Guaranteed.
But here's the dilemma you better crap your pants for:
What jobs are going to be there for our military men and women, except putting people in comas for protesting?
Why do you think the troops are coming home NOW??
What I think most of these cops don't consider is that if things go from bad to worse, any one of them or all of them will be the first targets to go. And for those who think cops are better shots than your average hunter, you should go to a police range sometime. 2/3rds of the retired cops I know never even pulled their gun and are some of the worst shots I've ever seen. Your SWAT guys are far outnumbered by the types shown here. Now think what happens when a mob sees a patrol car parked in a driveway and there is only one person inside and they know guns are there. I think LEO's better determine if they are going to uphold rule of law or start the decline into lawlessness. Those I know who've served in the military(as previously evidenced on ZH) are getting pretty upset at what they are seeing from LEO's. I have yet to hear from our local Sheriff on these issues but you can bet it's coming up at his next open forum...
injured guy shot in face w rubber bullet or tear gas canister is in critical cond, fractured skull and brain swelling.
He is former US Marine, Scott Thomas Olsen, was in 3rd Battalion, 4th Marines and served two tours of duty in Iraq in 2006 and 2007 before leaving the military in 2010
""I'm just absolutely devastated that someone who did two tours of Iraq and came home safely is now lying in a US hospital because of the domestic police force," his buddy and former fellow Marine said."/sarcasm
Oh, but someone threw a rock once the police opened fire with grenades and gas, so I guess he deserved being shot in the face. har har
/sarcasm off
So was it bank donations to the police that funded these rubber bullets?
Or the police just being facists off their own bat?
Did anyone tell the police they are the employees of the people they are shooting, or do they no longer work for the people and are bank owned police departments now?
Eventually there would be some cops stupid enough to escalate the situation.
In nine ball, Player A can sink balls 1 through 8, but if Player B sinks only the 9, he wins.
When you say the cops escalated the situation, the reality is they sunk only the nine-ball.
People should not be 'brutalized' for free speech and peaceful assembly. Reality dictates that someone will eventually lob something; rock, brick, soda can to start it off. If you are there, you have to realize you are putting yourself at risk of someone else's bad behavior. The law is the law; and when the cops tell you to move under force of law, you probably should.
Shooting anyone in the head with a projectile is outrageous, even if a rubber bullet. It is likely to kill. That is serious cause for concern if the man's head was targeted.
Assuming the cops were the first one's to start the escalation is probably a foolish assumption. Not because cops aren't perfect; but there are agitators in these crowds who's end is to actually start violence. You are a fool if you don't know this. The anarchists in Seattle abundantly proved that point in the outrageous WTO event.
Kent State ? It was just a matter of time . The Oakland Gestapo denies vehemently that flash gernades were used . Any vets watch this video cut . IT WAS A FLASH GERNADE . Oakland Police liars . It must be a disease , lying spreads from the White House , to the House and Senate , to Wall Street, and now bold face caught on video proof , and they lie . Isn't there a vaccination for this ?
I mean you would think that given that they are obviously lieing and acting like banker thugs that someone or ones down in Oakland is plotting some real shit as a pay back to these fuckers but maybe not. Maybe Oakland pd broke their spirit with those little flashbang gadgets.
No, Oakland won't lay down. That guy's in critical condition, BTW.
They were not using rubber bullets either according to the chief, who said they didn't even have them in their inventory. However, there are videos of the officers firing them at people. har har
The Cheif has plausible deniability on his side. His officers may not have used them, but there were units from sixteen other places that he had no control over. So all he has to do is to ignore them, and focus on "his" officers.
TADA!
Yup...just like the Tea Party ;-)
why is it on you tube that all the videos of ron paul and ows looks like having more likes thsat views very often. Is it common thing?
Three main theories:
#1 The # viewed often lags behind the counter because multiple people are refreshing it at once - for something that goes viral, this can crash the count early. After a few hours the servers catch up with the correct tally
#2 There's no doubt that Google ranking does strange things to videos - for instance, the "most popular / liked youtube video ever" is a Justin Bieber video... where the 'dislikes' outnumber the 'likes' by a factor of 3-1; its the number of likes that count, and dislikes aren't included (or weren't last time I read about it) in the tally
#3 Youtube certainly pulls videos - US up by 29% in 6 months http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2011/10/google-data-requests/ // UK government request up 71% http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-15459123 -- however, before we all panic, Google claims that most of these number under 100 - Brazil is the outlier, due to #antisec / related hacking of Gov. emails that went viral - there were a lot of ISP / data redactions demanded over that. The 75 / 82 accounts in Japan are probably linked to scaremongering during the earthquake/tsunami/meltdown - in fact, I know that at least three channels were deleted on the fly because I was updating one as it disappeared, and had the others b-marked.
Find it here - http://www.google.com/transparencyreport/governmentrequests/map/
This doesn't include automatic Copyright Infringement requests that Youtube recieves or Private company / Corporate requests.
Oh, and #4. Yes, fairly sure a lot of videos have the stat counter disabled to prevent accurate representations of viewer support - there was a case a while back where someone compared the youtube viewing statistics of a video and the viewing stats of the same vid on an independent server, and the indy server showed approx x8 more views. Ok, yes, people on these servers will watch the vid more, but general linking to youtube is fairly standard by people these days.
Evil can only win with the sanction of the victim. Withdraw your consent for the illegitimate state by collapsing the banks. Collapse the banks by withdrawing your money. Government - banks = zero.
I am not sure if the banks need our current or savings accounts any more. They have the FED that will hand them money for free.
Pay off every loan including mortgages too then, for your bank accounts and credit card balances are pennies compared.
All I know is that I've never attended a Tea Party rally where there was littering... let alone violence.
My own experience... civilized protesters are treated as such by the police.
As to the clips... (*SMIRK*)... perhaps a bit more context (and longer clips) is called for.
Just sayin'...
The tea party got permits for their protests and left when the permitted time was over. They worked within the system.
We are now past the time to work within the system. The system makes you get permits to exercise your rights. The system puts you in the designated free speech zone away from where people will listen to you. OWS wants to be right in the way, and they should be. They want to stay day after day, and night after night, and they should.