Fukushima: "China Syndrome Is Inevitable" ... "Huge Steam Explosions", or "Nuclear Bomb-Type Explosions" May Occur

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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 15:16 | 1903585 Georgesblog
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Radioactive material doesn't go away, overnight  Straight answers about the severity of the disaster took months to come out. There is no reason to accept official statements. As for what is being done about it, there is silence.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:51 | 1903135 BandGap
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With a decent sized "volcano" you can expect the radiation to circumnavigate the globe several times over.  The main benefit will be some spectacularly beautiful sunrises and sunsets. Why focus on the down side?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:49 | 1903127 Stagflationary
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I don't know much, but I do know a thing or two about physics. 

Everything they say is possible, and it's almost certain that some the fuel did find its way into the ground giving the conditions after the tsunami.

However, it would take some miracle of nature for the rods to maintain their shape and size and to have melted into the ground as big, hot, radiant objects. It is far more likely that you have bits and pieces all over the place and that if they do leak out to the environment it'll be a gradual non-dramatic process. 


So, in a sense, I'd say we maybe have Taiwan, Macau, Hong Kong syndromes instead of a big old mainland China syndrome ;) (sorry for the mixed metaphore) 

Furthermore, TEPCO is still observing heating in some of the units, which means at least a lot of the fuel is still somewhere inside the structure or very close to the surface. 

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:54 | 1903146 BandGap
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The molten metal would tend to coelesce if proximate.  The problem with radiactivity is this thing called critical mass.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:38 | 1903070 divide_by_zero
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Core #1 appears to be leaving the building or at least increasing distance from sensor, no wonder they bagged it first.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:22 | 1902971 Amish Hacker
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Imho, the scariest aspect of this whole disaster is the near-total news blackout, except for occasional snippets of disinformation.

What the authorities fear most isn't the China Syndrome, it's the extremely remote possibility that the sheeple will somehow educate themselves as to the facts and then make their own decisions on what actions they should take. 

Cheers to all ZH-ers from the San Francisco Bay Area, also known as The Front Row.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:50 | 1903130 Citxmech
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While I appreciate your pov - I'm more afraid of the poisonous radioactive cloud blowing toward my home.

- concerned in Seattle, the other front-row.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 21:03 | 1904895 GuyJeans
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Ive got better seats in Tokyo.  Anyone wanna trade seats?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:53 | 1902813 dlmaniac
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So "China syndrome" to beat mega-debt crisis out in destroying Japan. Another disaster, just what this world needs.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 14:03 | 1903197 blu
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You can't call it "China syndrome" in Japan; China is next door.

The opposite side of the world from Japan would be what ... Costa Rica or something? Florida?

So maybe "Florida syndrome" for them.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 17:57 | 1904370 Amish Hacker
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Actually, if you started at Fukushima and went straight down through the center of the earth, you would come out in the south Atlantic, off the coast of Argentina. 

Check it out:  http://www.freemaptools.com/tunnel-to-other-side-of-the-earth.htm

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:02 | 1902851 The Big Ching-aso
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Ya know, I'm trying to look at the bright side of this whole ordeal.     And I think I see it.     

The bright side is that when most of the Japanese population develops cancer they'll have already been simultaneously receiving radiation therapy.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:39 | 1902765 matrix2012
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Fukushima: “China Syndrome Is Inevitable” … “Huge Steam Explosions”, “Massive Hydrovolcanic Explosion” or a “Nuclear Bomb-Type Explosion” May Occur




Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:59 | 1902822 Harlequin001
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:14 | 1902684 JW n FL
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Media Black Out? on Fukushima? why? How could Japan control the News here in America? that doesnt sound right?


1. NBC, CNBC, MSNBC is Owned by? General Electric (Jack lives in Lost Tree and Golf's at Seminole and Old Marsh)


2. The Containment Vessel at Fukushima was designed and built by? General Electric.


3. That is how you have a news Black Out.


4. This is the same General Electric that made $8 Billion in World Wide Sales and Paid $0.00 Dollars in U.S. Taxes. http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/ge-pays-taxes-14-billion-income-ceo-jeffery-immelt-jobs-advisor-president-obama-politics-13224912



5 The Same General Electric with a $40 million dollar lobby +++. http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/summary.php?id=D000000125



Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:38 | 1902757 Clycntct
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Now my fraking tinfoil is vibrating so - GE= fukUSAhima.

Hmm it's all about the spelling. Now I'm getting a much clearer siglnal.

Latent dyslexic gene exploitation.

Left is right, up is down, bad is good, subtraction is addition .

I'm seeing clearly now.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:00 | 1902827 Harlequin001
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I think the home team is worried about Japanese problems adversely affecting the markets...

Don't want to upset the natives now do we?

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 14:08 | 1903217 blu
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The West Coast could be materially impacted by all of this, both via air and by sea. Maybe, already is. I mean it's not like they would tell us, or anything, would they now?

I'm counting on all the nerdy types with their chemistry sets and radiation monitors to break the story on Twitter or Youtube.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:28 | 1902732 Clycntct
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Bring ing it home good buddy.

 I was trying to override the only one + controls.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:38 | 1902762 Bananamerican
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:40 | 1902767 Clycntct
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Meaning Yes right on.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:04 | 1902656 DeltaDawn
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Thank you GW. Your critics fail to notice you were quoting experts who express this as unknown territory with potential outcomes which have only been theorized. We know our governments are not behaving rationally or ethically in this case. All we can do is seek the advice of unbiased experts.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:52 | 1902810 Bagbalm
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Experts are by definition biased. Only the completely ignorant have formed no bias. It is sufficient if they are right.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:54 | 1902620 HungrySeagull
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A Nuclear strike or two against the plant complex days after it blew up would not have allow all of this to happen. I got laughed and jeered for it.


Now they will probably have steam and possibly a boom or two that will make things even worse....


Who knows? A naturally occuring nuclear exlosion under the place will do the job after all. Steam explosions is not welcome given the amount of water underground... there is not enough burn wards in the world to handle the potential casulties.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 14:12 | 1903228 fourchan
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when i hear the words "junk shot" ill know its fucked.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:50 | 1902608 bill1102inf
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There is no way anything will happen.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:28 | 1902502 hannah
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:26 | 1902490 americanspirit
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Volcanos erupt, sometimes quite forcefully sending a column of steam and ash into the stratosphere when magma comes in contact with water. In natural eruptions, that steam/ash column is just that - steam and ash. Inconvenient, even nasty, but not radioactive. In the case of Fukushima simply substitute 'nuclear fuel' for 'magma' in the scenario and there you have it. The bigger the glob of fuel, and the more water, and the tighter the initial containment ( how deep underground this happens) the bigger and higher the blow. Maybe even high enough to reach the cross-pacific jet stream. I think you can approximate the potential northern hemisphere dispersion pattern by looking at a few recent mega-eruptions in the NW Pacific, like Kamchatka.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:43 | 1902574 4shzl
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Otherwise known as a phreatic explosion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phreatic_eruption

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:17 | 1902451 maddogs
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There is one area that will be affected, won't be addressed till it's seen on the side of a can of Tuna. Recommended consumption limited to once a year. Not recommended for women in pregnancy or children under the age of 17.

Wait'll the oceons food chain uptakes this mess. Since only one in 20,000 marine animals are not cosumed by another, very likely the fish markets will hand out gloves and geigers.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:04 | 1902406 barliman
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There is perhaps a problem with the translation. It is NOT POSSIBLE to form a super critical mass that would establish a GROWING chain reaction in any of the current scenarios.

The released material may achieve critical mass and release radiactive iodine and other by products. These byproducts might be released into the atmosphere by steam explosions.

The released core material will be contaminating the area until someone starts an effort to recover the core material and remediate the contamination.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:47 | 1902790 Bagbalm
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Yes core materials can reform a critical mass. They can even cycle - blowing apart from the heat and moderating effects of water and then when they cool forming a critical mass again and the water seeping back in.

ORE BODIES have formed critical masses before in nature.

(I chose not to have an icon.)


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 23:34 | 1905440 barliman
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We are in agreement regarding critical masses.

Super critical masses do not occur without weapons grade material being brought together wery quickly under high pressure.

The one "expert"  referring to "nuclear explosions" is misleading the layperson. I think the reality of this situation is bad enough without adding mis-statements into the discussion.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:18 | 1902465 Whoa Dammit
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What are the "other by products" that could be released? I assume these by products diifer from those typically found in cat and dog food.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:50 | 1902604 barliman
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Radioactive isotopes dependent on what the core material encounters. If people want something to worry about with regard to Fukushima it can be stated very succinctly:

  • A large, unquantified amount of radioactive core material has exited its containment area.
  • We don't know what it will encounter ... an underground aquifer (river) emptying into the ocean?
  • We have NEVER had this scope of release in a completely unknown manner.
  • And there doesn't seem to be any effort being made to get get ahead of the curve (right hand side) rather than being so behind the curve we can only react to whatever happens.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:45 | 1903108 Whoa Dammit
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Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:17 | 1902449 Citxmech
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What barliman said.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:38 | 1902307 tmosley
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I was not aware that corium was the same as highly enriched uranium or plutonium.

This guy utterly shatters his credibility by claiming that such an event is possible.

There might be an explosion, but it certainly won't be a nuclear one.  Even before it melted the containment vessel and mixed with it, the fuel was no-where near pure enough to sustain a nuclear explosion.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:28 | 1902498 BetTheHouse
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Agree with you entirely, taking exception only with your statement that GW has any credibility to shatter. He's the original conspiracy monger. In prior years he's the guy who would be seen in a public park wearing sandwich boards mumbling predictions about the end of the world and CIA mind control programs. Thanks to technology, however, we get to read him here. The Internet: boon to society, but also a megaphone for the stupid.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:38 | 1902294 Ron Real
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It is truely amazing how the "sophisticated" alternative media types, go right along with the genocist line on nuclear power. Solar, wind and cow shit don't work unless as massive scams to collect government subsides. Nuclear power is absolutely necessary if the world is to have a future.

Now, I'm not saying that there isn't Japanese government lying, and Telco lying about Fukushima. The entire political class in Japan as elsewhere is rotten, so what do you expect?

And, I'm not saying that nuclear power is not dangerous. Sure, it's dangerous, but so are all forms of power, and without power we are just animals. Fire kills far, far more people ever year than nulear ever could. If you want to be "safe," get rid of fire. Leaving all else aside; no heat, no autos, no electricity, no Iphones, without fire you would strave. Man can not live on raw, uncooked food.


I know that many children like to be scared by horror movies, but the time is now to grow up.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:52 | 1902811 bjennings
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You seem to imply that we have only two options -- 1) our current course of action, consume energy as fast as humanly possible continuing to find ever increasing ways of consuming energy  (I'm sure we can come up with a more luxurious ride than a hummer to negotiate those nasty speed bumps while dropping off the kids at school) or 2) cut off all energy consumption all together.

Do you think maybe there is an in between somwhere? 


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 13:47 | 1903116 Citxmech
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One would hope - though TPTB seem dead set on forcing option 2 after running option 1 into the ground.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:22 | 1902712 Clycntct
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Hey Ron, duck and cover.

It worked so good in  Hiroshima.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:41 | 1902568 Whoa Dammit
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Read up the enormous cost of the government subsidies that are given to nuclear power plants-without these subsidies the nuclear industry would not exist. Example: The still uncompleted Savannah River MOX fuel fabrication plant has cost $10 billion in construction alone so far.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:05 | 1902407 Hohum
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Without power, we're animals?  Heck, WITH power we're animals!

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 14:16 | 1903247 buyingsterling
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Power = a radical amplification of all of mankind's potentials, good and bad. It's no surprise that the first century of power also saw the biggest wars and genocides in history, as well as the greatest number of inventions. It makes possible both limitless possibility and complete control. A true catch 22.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:46 | 1902337 Smiddywesson
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Fusion is the future, not fission.  We will have it.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 10:57 | 1902371 Spastica Rex
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We might have it.


Tue, 11/22/2011 - 12:04 | 1902657 DogSlime
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We Do have it.  We can generate enormous amounts of energy using fusion already.  There are lots of fusion generators nicely packaged at the tip of rockets in silos and submarines and we have large aircraft that can deliver fusion packages.

Hang around a major city for the next few years and you'll probably see just how popular these fusion generators can be - given the right economic/political conditions.

Slow-release fusion still seems to elude us, though.

Tue, 11/22/2011 - 11:29 | 1902507 BetTheHouse
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Fusion. Its the power of the future and always will be.

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