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Fukushima Reactor Temperature Surpasses 752 Degrees … More Than 4 Times Maximum for “Cold Shutdown”

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Pretending that the Fukushima reactors achieved a state of “cold shutdown” was a political – rather than scientific - decision.

Tepco itself said the state of cold shutdown could only continue so long as the temperature within the nuclear reactors stayed below 100 degrees Celsius. (Because the thermometers within the reactors have a 20 degree margin of error, Tepco says that any reading over 80 degrees violates the conditions for a cold shutdown.)

As Bloomberg notes today:

 

Tokyo Electric Power Co. said the temperature in one of the damaged reactors at its Fukushima nuclear station rose to levels above safety limits even as it injected increased amounts of cooling water.

 

One of three thermometers indicated the temperature at the bottom of the No. 2 reactor pressure vessel rose to 93.7 degrees Celsius (200.7 Fahrenheit) today, higher than the 80 degrees limit, Ai Tanaka, a spokeswoman for the utility known as Tepco, said by phone today.

 

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The thermometers have a margin of error of as much as 20 degrees.

But major Japanese news sources Yomiuri and Jiji note that the thermometer in reactor 2 has since climbed to 272.8 degrees Celsius, and then hit the upper limit of the thermometer at 400 degrees Celsius (752 degrees Fahrenheit).

In other words, the thermometer is showing temperatures more than 4 times higher than the 100 degree Celsius limit for cold shutdown.

Tepco claims that such a high reading means that the thermometer must be broken, and is maintaining its declaration of cold shutdown based upon the reading of other thermometers. Of course, the fuel is moving around, so there could be hot spots and cooler spots within each reactor.

Of course, Tepco could be right: the thermometer could be broken. But I am not yet convinced, given that – ever since the earthquake last year – Tepco has repeatedly claimed that an instrument is broken whenever there is a new reading of things gone haywire. (Indeed, one Japanese writer said that Tepco’s spokesman sounded “testy” when asked how Tepco knew that the thermometer was broken.)

In good news, a second, nearby 4-reactor nuclear complex which almost melted down last March – the Fukushima Daini complex (referred to as the Fukushima “2? complex), which is 7 miles away from the infamous, leaking 6-reactor Fukushima Daiichi complex – apparently is in a true state of cold shutdown.

 

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Thu, 06/21/2012 - 05:39 | 2546222 Cristy
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I do believe that the robots cannot operate in high ionizing radiation environments and Water Cooler.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 05:37 | 2156739 darkhorse222
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i will no longer eat seafood from the mid-north pacific-and we get the choice prime stuff here in seattle-and then there is the double wammy of Tuna-Murcury AND cessium

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 06:21 | 2156756 espirit
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Gives new meaning to the birth/death model, eh?

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 04:50 | 2156723 BlackholeDivestment
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6.0 quake just happened 80 miles from Fukushima right about when the BoJ made their 10 trillion Yen call. 

6.5 just happened at Solomon Islands http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 04:14 | 2156706 non_anon
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ah, happy valentines day all, i love you!

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 03:59 | 2156688 Hobbleknee
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Why would the government care about actual environmental issues when they can convince the entire world to pay taxes for a "toxic" gas that is necessary for all life on earth?

 

If you guys want to keep up on Fukushima, check out enenews.com.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 03:46 | 2156679 q99x2
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Magnitude 6.0 NEAR EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN 
Tuesday, February 14, 2012 at 06:21:58 UTC

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 03:44 | 2156670 PhattyBuoy
Tue, 02/14/2012 - 01:52 | 2156547 non_anon
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talking about a radiated world, anyone a fallout 3 gamer, I got dogmeat and RL-3 as my companions, roaming the irradiated wasteland and killing all things after me!

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 01:42 | 2156526 Oldyeller
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This sounds like the same type of bimetalthermocouple thermometer you find in the steel industry. A small voltage is applied through the probe and changes in temperature, change the resistance in the business end of the probe. The slight change in current flow goes to a logic controller and gives you a rough idea of the temperature at the end of the instrument. The ones in the steel industry are quiet robust, obviously, but super heated steam or very high temperatures can defeat the metal casing and destroy the probe. When that happens the short shows up as limit high, maximum temperature. It's more a wonder to me that the probes have lasted in such a devils brew of heat, steam and intense radioactivity at all.

  For all our sakes I hope they get a handle on this one.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 01:42 | 2156525 Oldyeller
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This sounds like the same type of bimetalthermocouple thermometer you find in the steel industry. A small voltage is applied through the probe and changes in temperature, change the resistance in the business end of the probe. The slight change in current flow goes to a logic controller and gives you a rough idea of the temperature at the end of the instrument. The ones in the steel industry are quiet robust, obviously, but super heated steam or very high temperatures can defeat the metal casing and destroy the probe. When that happens the short shows up as limit high, maximum temperature. It's more a wonder to me that the probes have lasted in such a devils brew of heat, steam and intense radioactivity at all.

  For all our sakes I hope they get a handle on this one.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 00:57 | 2156457 HungrySeagull
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And we once thought to die by months of nuclear winter after a full out exchange.

This.... this... is a death by a thousand cuts.

Maybe the Commies still have a Tsar Bomba lying around as a spare. We drop it into the cores yeah? Make em like the very sun for a few moments.

And it will be all over with.

But no. S L I C E AHHHHH!

BANZAI

S L I C E AAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

(Whispered from wife, quiet stupid, you wake kids)

BAANNZAAIIII!!!

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 01:44 | 2156532 Matt
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The "Nuke it from space" plan has one, rather minor, potential flaw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_t44siFyb4

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 01:01 | 2156450 OldPhart
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This is NOT a meltdown.  The innovative Japanese government partnered with TEPCO to create the very first NATIONAL SPACE HEATER.  Their timing was impeccable, too.  Right in the middle of winter.  It solves monster power bills for individuals, if they actually still had a home, and has the added benefit of reducing municipal street lighting bills due to the nationally radiant glow.  Plus remaining refugees living in JEMA Trailers no longer shiver themselves to sleep.

Carbon credits generated will be traded with China in exchange for an actual, functioning economy.

An outstanding national effort over the last year.

 

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 00:13 | 2156402 Mr. Lucky
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Wasn't the margin of error on the Chernobal reactor thermometers 10 degrees?

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 00:51 | 2156451 astartes09
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Thermometers are for capitalist pig-dogs comrade!

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:59 | 2156384 TheMerryPrankster
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Maybe the thermometer fell into the earth's mantle. Or maybe it teleported to Venus?

At what temperature does concrete lose its structural integrity? Are we gonna get a leaning tower of Fukushima?

Will Italy create a nuclear accident just to compete with japan?

Is it me or does the world seem to be incredibly insane? The banks are broke, the stock market is a joke, house prices are falling like a rock and Japan is still having earthquakes and meltdowns nearly a year after the tsunami and all the news media talks about is whats on tv tonight.

I think I'll lay in a years supply of beer and snicker bars and lay low for a while. The weirdometer is pegged, but the weirdstorm keeps blowing.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 01:40 | 2156522 Matt
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The meltDOWNS already happened; it is the melt-THROUGHS that are happening now. The first is actually a designed feature of the reactors, to (attempt to) prevent the second.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:50 | 2156373 Dermasolarapate...
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Is radiation still showering Hawaii and California Coast from Fuki?

How about that "hot water" streaming out of the reactors in the ocean bathing Japan's east coast and then flowing to ?????

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:56 | 2156380 Raisuli
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I wonder how that will hurt me. I suspect it will hurt many others. Somehow the notion that it won't hurt me seems to drive the destrucive economy.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:26 | 2156321 AC_Doctor
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The radiation poisioning and propoganda continue via the Jap Bullshit Dept. with the help of the ever complacent MSM...

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:52 | 2156377 magnumopusdeislayed
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Nothing to see here, just capitalism at its finest. Look, it even bought us a thermo nuclear reactor 20 degree margin of error. Ferk it. Winning, Tepco. Bitchez.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 00:22 | 2156418 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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At this point humanity deserves a nuclear wastland where people wipe their asses with fiat currencie.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 02:23 | 2156584 The Heart
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Already happening.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 02:38 | 2156615 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Dessert.

Eat up.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:07 | 2156286 tony wilson
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lord mombiot of the guardian newspaper says it is ok.

says we should ditch the hate and embrace radiation.

drink it's juice,swim in it's energy giving properties.

love it.

it will make you strong and like the chest expander machine make you more attractive too women.

kill the plutonium mox hate.

breath deep and thank japan for helping with the human mass cull experiment.

breath.

breath.

the fall out in, out in,out in.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:18 | 2156263 tim73
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Typical bullshit from GW, he just cut&pasted only part of the article:

"One of three thermometers indicated the temperature at the bottom of the No. 2 reactor pressure vessel rose to 93.7 degrees Celsius (200.7 Fahrenheit) today, higher than the 80 degrees limit, Ai Tanaka, a spokeswoman for the utility known as Tepco, said by phone today.

There are no signs of isotopes that would suggest the reactor has gone critical and there’s been no increase in radiation around the site, the company said in a statement. The other two thermometers at the bottom of the vessel showed temperatures of 32.8 degrees and 33.1 degrees earlier today, spokesman Naohiro Omura said. The thermometers have a margin of error of as much as 20 degrees.

“We think the thermometer may be faulty,” Omura said. The other two gauges indicate temperatures are falling, he said.

It’s also possible that unstable water flow into the unit may have kept the coolant from reaching parts of the melted fuel, he said.

The utility increased the rate of coolant flow to 17.4 cubic meters per hour from 14.1 cubic meters per hour as of 3:30 p.m. yesterday, it said in a statement."

17.4 cubic meters is about 5 liters per second or 300 liters per minute. Single fire hose could spray 350 liters (95 gallons) per minute. Deluge gun could blast 3500 liters per minute, some even twice that. Sure as hell they would be putting much more water into reactor if there were a real emergency going on.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 01:33 | 2156513 Matt
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I suspect you have an even poorer understanding of what is going on then the rest of us.

It's a molten pile of slag sitting in a pool of water, inside a large pile of rubble. You cannot just pour 3500 liters per minute into something that is already full of water, and expect it to get cooler, at least not without overflowing it and spilling even more radioactive stuff all over the place.

You have to circulate the water; however, if any inlets or outlets are plugged, its a bit of a problem since no person or robot can operate in the high level of radioactivity present. 

I strongly suspect the water is not circulating very well in some pockets, as the layout has been somewhat "reconfigured" from the original design.

Considering they are soaking in radioactive waste, I'm amazed they can get any readings at all from those thermometers, let alone accurate readings.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 07:52 | 2156805 Element
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Not to mention that the active metallic lenses layers will be buried under a thick and almost fully solid differentiated silicate crust on top of it

I assure you, anything that weighs tens to hundreds of tonnes, melted up to 100%, and can ablate though 6-inches of steel pressure vessel like it was not there, is going to now be buried deep-down inside the foundation.

There is not a chance this fuel is, "just sitting on the floor", covered by water. That view is ridiculous to me, in the extreme.

i.e. the 'core' is not being directly-cooled by the water.

It is only being drained of heat via slow and inefficient thermal conduction, through a thick and almost solid but fractured layer of silicate crystalline and glass-slag materials.

When the crust cracks open more heat escapes than usual.

That's most likely what has happened.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:36 | 2156340 Dapper Dan
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copy and paste away

http://www9.nhk.or.jp/kabun-blog/600/103192.html

 

February 12, 2012 (Sunday)

Radiation measured in the waters and air near the No.1 Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant (Source: Tokyo Electric Power Co. TEPCO)

  ?No.1 Plant : Air dose ? ?southern side of The main office: 500 meters north-west of the Unit 2 . 277 ?Sv/h Time:09:00 Feb.12, 2011 Winds: northwesterly 2.7 m/s ?near the West Gate : 1,100 meters west of the Unit 2 . 10.0?Sv/h Time:09:00 Feb.12  , 2011 Winds: northwesterly 2.7 m/s There was no neutron dose detected. No.1 Plant :Radioactive substances detected in the waters?

?A? From samples collected 30 meters north of the outlets of the Unit 5-6 at 8:45 Feb.11.

Iodine 131: ND ( --- times the limit) Cesium 134: 1.4 Bq/L ( 0.02 times the limit) Cesium 137: 1.5 Bq/L ( 0.02 times the limit)   ?B? From samples collected 330 meters south of the outlets of the Unit 1-4 at 8:20 Feb.11 . Iodine 131: ND ( --- times the limit) Cesium 134: 1.4Bq/L ( 0.02 times the limit) Cesium 137: 1.4Bq/L ( 0.02 times the limit)

2012?02?10? (?)

Pressure vessel temperatures at the No.1-3 units

February 10, 2011 (Friday)

The serious situation remains unchanged, in that workers still have to cool nuclear fuel with water at the melted-down No.1 to No.3 units of the No.1 Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant. /.

For your information, this blog continues to record temperatures measured at the lower part of the pressure vessel of each unit. Temperatures between Feb.04 and Feb.10 are posted on the following page.(Source: TEPCO)

Date/time of recording No.1 unit No.2 unit No.3 unit

Feb. 10, 2011, 5a.m. 24.6 deg C 66.7 deg C 49.2 deg C

Feb. 09, 2011, 5a.m. 24.8 deg C 67.9 deg C 49.4 deg C

Feb. 08, 2011, 5a.m. 24.9 deg C 66.7 deg C 49.8 deg C

Feb. 07, 2011, 5a.m. 24.8 deg C 72.2 deg C 50.0 deg C

Feb. 06, 2011, 5a.m. 24.7 deg C 70.6 deg C 50.2 deg C

Feb. 05, 2011, 5a.m. 24.7 deg C 67.4 deg C 50.4 deg C

Feb. 04, 2011, 5a.m. 24.5 deg C 64.5 deg C 50.7 deg C

??????

Jan. 28, 2011, 5a.m. 26.0 deg C 47.7 deg C 52.9 deg C

Jan. 21, 2011, 5a.m. 27.0 deg C 51.0 deg C 53.6 deg C

Jan. 14, 2011, 5a.m. 25.3 deg C 48.9 deg C 54.5 deg C

Jan. 07, 2011, 5a.m. 26.4 deg C 50.4 deg C 55.3 deg C

Dec. 31, 2011, 5a.m. 27.8 deg C 56.4 deg C 56.2 deg C

Dec. 24, 2011, 5a.m. 29.3 deg C 61.6 deg C 60.0 deg C

Dec. 17, 2011, 5a.m. 34.6 deg C 66.0 deg C 63.0 deg C

Dec. 10, 2011, 5a.m. 44.2 deg C 77.3 deg C 66.5 deg C

Dec. 03, 2011, 5a.m. 44.6 deg C 70.6 deg C 68.2 deg C

Nov. 26, 2011, 5a.m. 39.7 deg C 72.1 deg C 67.1 deg C

Nov. 19, 2011, 5a.m. 36.9 deg C 67.9 deg C 67.4 deg C

Nov. 12, 2011, 5a.m. 38.6 deg C 70.5 deg C 69.2 deg C

Nov. 05, 2011, 5a.m. 46.7 deg C 74.0 deg C 70.6 deg C

Oct. 29, 2011, 5a.m. 66.5 deg C 76.2 deg C 71.2 deg C

Oct. 22, 2011, 5a.m. 71.9 deg C 79.8 deg C 71.8 deg C

The last update was posted on Feb.03, the next due on Feb.17.

?Readers are reminded that temperatures at the lower part of each pressure vessel are no more than an indicator of the status of the vessel

2011?12?01? (?)

What's now in Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant

More than eight months ago, the No.1 unit of TEPCO’s Fukushima No.1 Nuclear Power Plant melted down. Situations surrounding nuclear fuel in the unit have turned out more serious than expected.

That is, the fuel that dropped off has been eroding the concrete that shields the bottom of the container vessel. TEPCO fears the fuel might be reaching 37 centimeters from the bottom of the concrete in a worst-case scenario.

What has been going on in the No.1 unit?

TEPCO and other research institutes have revealed the results of their analyses concerning the nuclear fuel that melted off in the No.1 to No.3 units of the No.1 Fukushima Nuclear Power Plant.The following illustrate the results of TEPCO’s analysis of the No.1 unit.  In the severest speculation, 100 percent of the fuel in the No.1 unit melted off, substantial amounts falling through the bottom of the unit to the container vessel.

Heated nuclear fuel can melt the concrete that shields the bottom of the container vessel. The concrete is up to 260 centimeters deep, covered by a steel plate.  In the worst case, the fuel might have worked its way for 65 centimeters from the upper surface of the concrete. Should this be the case, the margin from the upper surface of the steel plate would be 37 centimeters on the spot where the concrete provides the least protection.

TEPCO also speculates that 57 percent and 63 percent of the fuel has melted off in the No.1 and No.2 units, some amounts landing in the container vessels.

What is going on at the bottom of the container vessel?

In its explanation to reporters, TEPCO has said, “The poured water should remain at the bottom of the container vessel. We therefore stand by our conclusion that the bottom as a whole should be kept at low temperatures.”

TEPCO estimates the temperatures at the No.1 unit and its container vessel at or below 100 degrees C as of Nov. 21. It speculates that the melted-off fuel is being cooled by the poured water, which should blocks further erosion into the concrete.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:24 | 2156318 Matte_Black
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really? then why are they talking about injecting boron? I invite you to survey this page.

http://enenews.com/

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 22:57 | 2156260 snblitz
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Where are the boron injectors?

Forgive my ignorance, but nuclear reactiors are supposed to have boron injectors as a part of Scram operations.

If it looks like things are going all FUBAR you push a button and the fuel rods are buried in boron which is a neutron poison as they call it.   It is also the end of the nuclear reactor as the fuel system is permanently encased and recovery is not possible. No additional coolant it required.

Boron injection does not work if the fuel has already melted and is now a pile of radioactive slag at the bottom of the containment vessel or perhaps a little lower.  Did someone fail to push the button at the right time?  Or do these reactors not have a boron based scram system?  Or maybe the power was out to the Scram system?  Though I thought the boron system was gravity based.

 

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 02:01 | 2156572 HedgeCock
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They are borating the water--adding boric acid to the cooling water they are pumping in.  Methinkst the boron injectors at this stage of the game are nonfunctional.  A boron kill can supposedly be reversed but it is incredibly costly and downtime is lengthy.  Boron kill + saltwater injection = 100% scrapped reactor.  Meh, we're dealing with molten slag oozing out of containment now.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:49 | 2156370 Nobody special
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Boron injectors are a part of the newer designs, but that wasn't part of GE's schematic back in the mid 60's. These earlier designs included the Super Hydromatic Implosion Terminator button. If that didn't work, the manual instructs you on the appropriate KYAG (kiss your ass goodbye) procedures.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 02:07 | 2156579 HedgeCock
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I think you are right. GE Mark I design does not have boron injectors.  A SCRAM entails control rods being inserted, is all.  If you have to borate the cooling water on top of that, it's some major FUBAR already.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:27 | 2156324 Matte_Black
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um. no offense, but they are so far past the "push a button" stage that your post seems to be comedy. did i miss something?

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 22:49 | 2156245 PrintPressPimpin
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This clusterfuck grows worse with each passing day and there is little humans can do now to contain this pollution.  Fishing in the pacific ocean often this has been very worrisome for me..  Maybe its wrong but one of the only things that consoles me is that the japs are way dependent on their nearshore Fisheries and all they eat is fish.. in my rationalization of this i am hoping that major problems will be detected in the japs first so i can alter my diet.  But it kinda sucks when you haul in a net full of crabs and share them enjoying a crab feed with friends and you got this in the back of your mind..  Also in regards to the state of affairs in the world in general... maybe those blissfully ignorant of the threats to their way of life are onto something..

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 22:32 | 2156219 jomama
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yeah, right.  the thermocouple is on the fritz. my ass it is.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:29 | 2156328 TheMerryPrankster
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Only the hottest thermometer is bad? Interesting the low reading thermometers are good, how the fuck do they know if any of them are working?

Talk about cherry picking data, wishing and hoping...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr1qKuz0FMY

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 22:07 | 2156153 engineertheeconomy
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You say that like it's a BAD thing...

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 22:23 | 2156198 espirit
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Ha. Watch out Santiago.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 21:51 | 2156123 Gunther
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If the pressure vessel is still intact 275 Celsius means about 60 atmospheres of pressure according to the steamtable.

A pressure out of line with this temperature means big damage to the pressure vessel.

 

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 22:07 | 2156154 ihedgemyhedges
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Just apply a "seasonal adjustment" like we do over here.

PROBLEM FIXED!!

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 23:36 | 2156341 TheMerryPrankster
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Just dump all that Cesium contaminated rice into the old reactor vessel and it will plump right up and plug all those nasty old holes.

Good as new, just like fixing a leaky radiator by destroying your engine with minute rice.

Fukushima, the gift that keeps giving. A true monument to Japanese engineering and especially management. Project management, they'll kill everybody in Japan, before they admit they have a problem.

I will say this, they are consistent, stupid, tragic, moronic, but consistent as the day is long. No problem to see here, just move along, everything is fine. Go have some rice, talk a walk or enjoy a swim in the warm currents by the cooling water outflows.

What do they call those 3 thermometers?

Papa bear, mama bear and baby bear.

1 of them is always just right.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 00:52 | 2156453 HungrySeagull
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OMFG.

An elegant solution indeed.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 21:50 | 2156121 miker
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This is all trivial sideshow.  The damage has been done.  This is nightmare of historic proportion.  Its just the Japanese government (and people) won't admit it publicly.  Right now, they are contaminating the ocean with radionuclides from the plant.  No one will admit it but that is what's going on. 

And the odds of them reaching any kind of "stable" configuation is extremely low.  The stuf fis so radioactive that no human can get close.  It burns up robots and cameras within seconds.  So all they can do is flush water though and monitor.  Eventually, they'll entomb it, mark my words; but it will NEVER be fully stabalized.

This thing is going to be the straw that broke Japan's back.  It is going to tilt them into depression and we'll see the long predicted run out of their currency; probably hyperinflation.  Depressioin and hyperinflation?  You betcha.  People will decide to get out of yen.  And that will be the end.

Mon, 02/13/2012 - 22:40 | 2156229 JohnnyBriefcase
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The Japanese people and their "government" will NEVER admit that they fucked up.

Ever.

It is now and always has been about saving face with them.

They would rather watch their neighbors, children and grandchildren suffer and die a horrible slow death than ask the world for help and the nuclear industry/lobby (aka US government) will happily go along with them.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 02:35 | 2156613 kumquatsunite
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No, you have to know they are receiving help, but what's to be done? This is an island nuclear problem; we've not seen this before. And what are the Japanese to do? They stay put and hope that this can be solved, knowing the solving will be brutal, or they abandon Japan, and if that's the case where do all those people go? 128,000,000 people living in an area the size of California. How do you evacuate an entire country, if that is the choice?

 

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 01:28 | 2156412 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Funny that they once lived and died on an honor system.

Tue, 02/14/2012 - 03:06 | 2156633 JohnnyBriefcase
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I know what the hell happened?!

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