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Guest Post: A Twenty Something Speaks

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Steak

 

(As much as anyone else, I am guilty of complaining that “the younger generation” is absent from the developing collapse dialogue. More than once I have said that if permanent change is to be made, first the young must become involved, then change needs to be embraced by the average Jane and Joe. But when the young raise their voices in anger or protest, such as the On Wall Street contingent, my tendency is to complain about the methods they use or the process they follow. This is patently unfair of me and hypocritical to boot.

With this thought in mind I present the following from Steak, a ZH Veteran by any measure with more time in than me, who many know from the playlists he drops into the comment section from time to time. Please take a few moments and read what he has to say.)

Cognitive Dissonance

12/04/2011

 

To my peers:

Being born in 1984 offers a special perspective on where society is at present, as well as where it might be going. We are digital natives who also remember the old ways. Our first years of elementary school were characterized by paper encyclopedias, library card filing systems, and Apple II computers. We reached our teenage years just in time for AOL Instant Messenger to become a dominant force in our social lives, and we weren’t just pioneers on Facebook, we were on THE Facebook.

Having a foot planted on each side of distinct historical eras defines us. While the question of generational divides along technological lines is a commonly explored theme, the great divide unique to us is economic.

Those before us only knew and only expect an ever increasing level of prosperity. Those after us only know the turmoil of collapse. The older ones are attached to a world that never truly existed, and the younger ones have trouble imagining any sort of better world. All the while we children of 1983/84 grew up in the last parabolic push of the most prosperous era in human history. It was enough that we can remember in vivid detail how it was, but it did not last so long in our lives that we have some fundamental expectation for it to persist.

At least where I grew up, the idyllic childhood in the bubble years was disrupted by a sign that perhaps things were worse than appeared on the surface. Around the time my cohort was starting middle school, many of us had new kids in our classes. Atlanta being a popular place for refugee resettlement, in the mid 90’s there was a wave of immigrants from the former Soviet republics. We gave them shit as ‘ruskies’ and ‘commies’, but they came along early enough that by high school we were all just part of the same groups.

They were hard, all of them. Where they came from there was hunger, deeply ingrained organized crime, and ethnic hatreds. Their parents were PhDs who had to work for the mafia just to make ends meet. There was a deep appreciation on their part that America was a place, still in those last few years, where if one followed the rules there was a shot at a comfortable life.

It all seemed so dramatic. We were just kids, and those were stories from distant lands. We didn’t know they were describing the violence of collapse. They didn’t know they were only the first victims of a wave that would follow them here and one day sweep the world. Looking back, those things are clear both to us and to them.

Being born 1983/84 put us in a unique position on the day of the inflection point of our time. By September 2001 we were seniors in high school and all around 18. Sure there was talk about how the government would respond, but on that day and in the following months the real question was how WE would respond. Go to college or go to war? In May of 2002 Eminem spoke directly to us when he said:

 

Fuckin' assassins hijackin' Amtracks crashing,

All this terror America demands action,

Next thing you know you've got Uncle Sam's ass askin'

To join the army or what you'll do for there Navy.

You just a baby,

Gettin' recruited at eighteen,

You're on a plane now,

Eating their food and their baked beans.

I'm 28,

They gonna take you 'fore they take me

 

Some decided to fight, some were horribly injured, and others died. I can’t commend or condemn how any of my friends decided they would respond to the attack, it was a deeply personal decision for everyone. But that was where we broke with the past. Our parents, as they were conditioned in their lifetime of prosperity, waited for someone to do something……and we realized that someone was us.

For those of us who went to college, we once again found ourselves at an interesting and unique intersection in history. As a member of the class of 2006, we had the incredible luck of entering the work force and gaining critical experience in the last year before the financial collapse. Five years later many of us are moving up to management positions, or at least have substantial resumes. This puts real decision making authority at our fingertips.

There is a responsibility to those older and younger than us, since we are a bridge between eras. It is our responsibility to tell those older than us that the world they have known all their lives is dead, and they fight for it at the expense of future generations. At the same time we must make sure their knowledge does not retire when they do. Our responsibility to those younger is to show them, not tell, but show them that a better future is possible through what we can create.

So far we are handling these responsibilities well. A decade of war has made our peers the most skilled, adaptable, and combat proven fighting force the country has seen since World War Two. 1980's baby Mark Zuckerberg helped found the social media industry, where people in their 20's are making fortunes working at the bleeding edge of technology and social interaction. And most dramatic of all, our peers are at the vanguard of revolutions all over the world from Tahrir to Wall Street.

A source of great strength is that we see the world for what it is, but have also seen what it can be. The way we engage the world is fundamentally driven by an understanding of two great waves sweeping the world. One is collapse, a collapse that began in earnest in 1991 and since then has been deferred and delayed, but not deterred. The second wave is technology. It has the potential to organize us to defend against forces that would tear apart our societies, our families, and our faith in others. Technology has the potential to give all access to pillars of free living including health, energy, and information. And it is on us to fulfill that potential.

By any quantifiable measure of wealth or opportunity, we will be the first generation of Americans to have less than our parents. Yet there is no room for self-pity. There is no room for wishing times were not so hard or that our burdens were someone else's. The coming conflagration and its fallout are ours to engage and overcome. Others wait for leaders to deliberate and decide, but we do not have that luxury. For us there is no hope. There is no fate. All there is are the things we create.

 

Steak

12/04/2011

ZH's Steak

 

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Sun, 12/04/2011 - 19:10 | 1945063 Endstrategy
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Steak,

I voted this article a 3.  it was a nice attempt, but I don't think this crowd is right for what you're trying to say.

It just doesn't hit the spot. It came off as "my generation has it so hard, we have seen the end of the great boom years and will be the ones to fix the coming atrocity. We are the transition generation and so special. I am the head manager at my Taco Bell. Technology will save us. Facebook is awesome."  Your take on technology as a savior and net social benefit is way off the mark.   Your attempt at inspiring HOPE falls on a crowd who has seen that game played out for what it is: a chance to manipulate the masses. Your generation are the dumb assholes who took the whole hook, line, and sinker of Obama's bullshit (not that the other option was any better).  Your generation has as many stupid fucktards as mine and any before.  Your generation has no respect for the Constitution and 99% of them have probably never read it. You are totally negelecting that your generation has been used and will continue to be used by psychopath powers who do not care about you. In other words, your generation is fucked no matter how much hope you have.  In fact, many of them will be killed in the next few years fighting wars for reasons no one can seem to explain well.  Your best bet is to do what others are suggetsing: stop the generational nonsense, learn what you're up against, and remove yourself from what you're up against. Right now, you're just riding the storm, and hopeful that your generation can make it to the other side without getting too roughed up. In other words, you're maintaining the status quo. That's not special. That's what 99% do.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 09:50 | 1946243 Janestool
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what did the rest of us do?

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 10:07 | 1946279 Endstrategy
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Are you referring to my last line ("that's what 99% do.")? If not, clarify.  If so, then what the rest of "you" do is NOTHING to change the status quo. This is the point I am making---the article's author is not solving a damn thing. He is maintaining the status quo, feeding into the bullshit and corruption like everyone else. New technologies do not fix the corruption. Being promoted to management does not change the psychopaths running things. Hoping to get through the rough times and emerge to a brighter day does not change the underlying fraud. He is another cog in the wheel of deception and doesn't quite seem to realize that.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 04:25 | 1945998 steveo
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Excellent reply.   Indeed born 1963 not quite a boomer, kind of slogged through the 1970s great inflations (only needed beer and that didnt go up much).    But the new generation never seen anything but a bull market, the biggest ever.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 00:38 | 1945782 MrPalladium
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Bravo!!

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 19:08 | 1945055 chebetts
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Nicely put Steak, I enjoyed taking a dip in your perception.

Technically speaking, think of all the technological advances that have been made but have been supressed by the Global Banking Elite. New energy sources that don't require combustion comes to mind, who knows what else is laying around in a guarded warehouse. Think of all the human potential that's being spent advancing missle technology through the art of War and death? What if all those scientists stopped working on death and instead started focusing on things that actually gave back in a positive way?

Above all, spiritually. Beyond generations, we have this time together. It's a growing awareness around the world, a dam is about to break, and the world has never seen a consciousness such as this. It's a great time to be alive, and all those that say otherwise, strummin' the fear strings and war drums, are those that are losing their grip on our minds. We were sent to school to be subservient, to respect authority and to not think nor look out the window.

These times have molded us to this point in time, yet there are wings beneath the clay and it is this time where the silent hand pushes us all out of the nest.....

love and let go.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:55 | 1945021 Reese Bobby
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Well I'd say most of these comments must be cheering up the power elite that intentionally created today's chaos.  All they want is conflict amongst the sheeple.  It is just so depressing to listen to each faction of society argue about stupid shit.  It's like a bunch of guys getting ass-raped in prison and reacting by expressing outrage about the quality of the food at the commissary.

 

There are only two logical reactions to today's world:

1) Fight the long-shot battle between US and them, or,

2) Every man for themselves while we wait for the dust to settle after EVERYTHING blows up.

 

Judging by how many long-time ZH posters disappear from this site I think choice #2 is a common conclusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqnMrynpq9U

 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:50 | 1945013 Lord Koos
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One thing is for sure... Eminem is no Bob Dylan.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 19:06 | 1945050 Reese Bobby
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Or Robert Zimmernam.  What a sell-out asshole.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:50 | 1945012 Everyman
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Too young to be classified a "boomer" yet too young to be clasified "Gen Y".  I am a HS Grad of 1979 and my perspective is similar to Steak's.  I have played by the rules, have kept my debts to zero, have worked hard and played just as hard.  However NONE of my fun times were "Credit Card Financed".  I was living in a warehouse in 1983-4, and took a job at a fast food resturaunt because it was work.... and you got one free meal a day!  While going to school, I had NOTHING, but some of my college classmates were seen driving a Ferrari or a Lambo. 

I literally worked my way through College.  I took construction jobs with a degree when the economy was down in 1984.  I went to High School during a fuel embargo and shortage.

So yes, another generation at another time saw just the same thing you saw, Steak, however many didn't learn, I however learned very well.  I am ready for the world for fold, and at that time I will be shooting first and asking questions later.  MANY of our so called "leaders" will be taken out of their offices and beaten or outright killed for their short sitedness, and their outright corruption.

 

I see massive social revolt brewing, and thw outcome is unsure.  I still hold that America wil be better, but we have to get rid of the deadwood, and pull the weeds and it is not easy, and at times painful.

 

Some of the people at the so called top and those that have a lot of money will soom have the heavy weight of history come down on their heads.  300,000,000 will onlyput up with the shit from so few for only so long.  ONce it becomes that we are cold, and hungry part of the time, will the revolution start and grow.  OWS wqas NOT the start of this either, nor was the tea party.

 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:49 | 1945002 Sophist Economicus
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Wow Steak, your lament is the lament of every person your age since time began.

 

Yup, every generation had its issues, its economic uncertainty, wars, technological shifts, etc.    And, unfortunately, there are those that are younger that want to take a broad brush and make it a 'generational issue'.   I understand, prejudice and gross generaliztions make the ghost easier to compartmentailze -- it also takes the heat off your (not a peronal 'your', a general 'your') conscience as to how this can still be happening.

We (the USA) got here because the money became fast and loose and the wrong people were in charge for too long.    So, here we stand on the verge of another collapse - but this time it isn't 2001, 1974, 1938, 1929, 1907....   The money is gone, the 'guilt ridden' ideology can no longer pay for more 'enlightened' ideas with other-peoples-money, and those things that prior generations ignored to keep the peace (e.g., unilateral unionization, engourged government. legislative creep, institutional welfare, institutional saftey-net prgrams, demonization of savings/profits/capital accumulation&investment, etc.) can no longer be ignored.   So, on one side we have OWS that wants a stronger UN, more welfare, Student loan forgiveness, more social safety-nets -- I believe these events are visited by folks born in the 80s.   On the other side we have the Tea-Party, which advocates tighter fiscal measures but doesn't aggressively address the cancer which has spread thoughout our government and society.

I don't think this is a generational thing - this is an 'ideology' thing.   I think folks from all walks of life and age groups will be effected by the tragedy that will be coming soon.    Those sleep walking are not part of any one group - I think all are guilty.   But, I fear that the voices will mount, much like yours and it will lead to fear mongering and finger pointing (it's age, it's color, it's gender, it's rich, it's poor, etc).   Which, folks that want power, will be all too willing to encourage.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:40 | 1944991 max2205
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50's and 60' s survived and enabled the tech transition. No small feat Spit on them?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:22 | 1944945 GubbermintWorker
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There is a responsibility to those older and younger than us, since we are a bridge between eras. It is our responsibility to tell those older than us that the world they have known all their lives is dead, and they fight for it at the expense of future generations.

 

No need to tell me that man. I was born in the early 50's and have known for a number of years now thats there is a hard rain a comin'.

I've prepared but, unfortunately, my children, one your age and one younger, aren't listening.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 03:10 | 1944987 MsCreant
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I prepare with the expectation that some or all will come home. I don't want it, hope I am wrong, but I am getting ready for it as we speak.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:19 | 1944940 Casey Stengel
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Steak, It was good to read your thoughts and veiwpoint. My kids are your age and I hope you guys will be better stewards of this republic than the boomers. Never stop moving toward the changes that need to be made and stay close to the Bill of Rights. We have a great country and you guys can bring it back to what made it so great. I support you and will be helping.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:04 | 1944905 shinola
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Steak, I'm about 30 years older than you - hard core boomer.

I remember the optimism of the late 60's when we thought "We will be different; we will change things for the better".

 

Didn't work out quite that way, did it?

 

This vaunted technology is a double-edged sword.  It can be (& probably is being) used against you.  Hell, I wouldn't be suprised if by just posting on ZH I am turning up on someone's watch list somewhere.

How many 20-somethings are working on programs that enable domestic spying or market manipulation? I doubt that the answer is none.

The fight in every generation is against corruption. Every generation has its share of the talented but corrupt.

 

I wish you luck. I believe you may be right on the Greater Depression & I fear that you may be right on war.

 

In the words of that old Who song:

"I hope I die before I get old"

 

(It's just that my definition of old keeps moving)    

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:25 | 1944872 Motley Fool
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Firstly thanks for posting this CD.

@Steak 1983 here. You are correct that we are the ones who will reshape the world, as the transition to a different system is imminent. The evolution of our monetary system was inevitable, I for one look forward to the next phase. You do give our elders too little credit though, they have been aware of this a long time and have prepared.

We are all human beings, if our generation had found ourselves in their shoes, nothing different would have happened.

Peace

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:36 | 1944982 MsCreant
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Not very foolish.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 20:05 | 1945188 Motley Fool
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I like the irony.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:27 | 1944830 ZeroPoint
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Dear Steak,

I do find your post interesting, but naive. 5 years of experience is the entry point into the real workforce, not the end of the begining. When you 10,15,20+ years of experience, you will have a much more informed outlook about what American capitalism currently is.

I can tell you right now social media is a very danergous double edged sword. It might help 'spread the word', but it also puts a bullseye on you, and a track record you can NEVER shake. You can NEVER make a mistake with it, social or otherwise.

You incorrect in your evaluation of older people. It's all people. It's called normalcy bias. People can't accept when the train is coming off the tracks if you have ridden it for any period of time. People also ignore problems if they can't solve it quickly, easily, or by themselves.

You will not be the first generation to have less than your parents. Gen Xers are the first. But in the end, ALL generations now are facing the same problems of shrinking wealth.

The one thing I will say though is your generation will see a return to manufacturing in the US, because of the eventual run up in energy prices. Your generation will invent the recycling, reuse, and waste reduction technologies necessary for the continued existance of the human species.

Good luck.

 

 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:01 | 1944895 Steak
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A quick point about social that was not made in the piece.  One of the most significant contributions social has brought is an industry set up around nonlinear systems.

I really enjoyed The Black Swan of Cairo's discussion of nonlinear systems.  The multitude of parts suppliers and support industries that provide stability and a source of innovation to auto and aerospace.  Similarly social media provides a proving ground for nonlinear systems work that will be done in the future.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:47 | 1944875 Freddie
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The majority of 20-somethings voted for the muslim.  Nice jobs - AHs.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:23 | 1945853 Iwanttoknow
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Same constipation of thought and diahhea of words.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 20:08 | 1945192 mephisto808
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... and the better choice was ...?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 23:41 | 1945697 flattrader
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Obviously McCain who now (along with all his GOP senator buddies) wants to put us in indefinite detention without judicial review of any kind, not to mention trial.

(some Dems and Rand Paul, whatever he runs as, disagreed...for the Reps, it was a party line vote...don't even fucking pretend otherwise.)

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 00:51 | 1945799 MrPalladium
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My wife notes that Senate Republicans (except Rand Paul) all have fake tans, coiffed hair and wear cufflinks before dinner. She insists they are all gay!

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 19:00 | 1945032 I like bubbles
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you expect them to be critical thinkers, first they must remove the teat of mass media they've suckled since birth..

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:19 | 1944819 High Plains Drifter
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Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:18 | 1944814 mephisto808
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As a "millenial" this piece hit home and was spot on. Thanks. Agreed, very well-written!

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:15 | 1944794 GeneMarchbanks
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'A source of great strength is that we see the world for what it is, but have also seen what it can be. The way we engage the world is fundamentally driven by an understanding of two great waves sweeping the world. One is collapse, a collapse that began in earnest in 1991 and since then has been deferred and delayed, but not deterred. The second wave is technology. It has the potential to organize us to defend against forces that would tear apart our societies, our families, and our faith in others. Technology has the potential to give all access to pillars of free living including health, energy, and information. And it is on us to fulfill that potential.'

By 'collapse' I'm not sure what you mean. Technology is ambiguous as far as I'm concerned. Claiming technology is a 'pillar of free living' is a display of naivete. Putting any kind of faith or hope that technology will be a saving grace for the current state of affairs or generational problems is simplistic and potentially hazardous. Take Japan as an example, is there a more technologically oriented society? You could in fact make an argument for the opposite, that technology has failed them or is in the process of failing them.

Young people should arm themselves with sober orientation and realistic goals about the generational problems that are upcoming. Soon boomers will begin dying in earnest and major infrastructure problems will come to the States, specifically major cities. I'm not optimistic at all. I see our generation, both in Europe and the States, mostly drugged with symbols. The coping is dealt with a variety of means: lies, cynicism, brutalisation or medication etc. I feel no need to elaborate as the signs are obvious for all to see.

Finally, instead of a synopsis of "how things will play out" as is popular on ZH, I'll point out to where (maybe) we can find each other so-to-speak. Perhaps a part of the 'solution' could be to unburden major population areas by simply leaving for the rural ones. In Europe young people are already finding/joining communes based on no real definition of what society should look like. There maybe a new way of living emerges after the storm passes and rebuilding begins...

'To the depths of the Unknown to find something new!' -Baudelaire

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:31 | 1944828 flattrader
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>>>...One is collapse, a collapse that began in earnest in 1991 and since then has been deferred and delayed, but not deterred...<<<

What the fuck does he think happened in 1991?

Gulf War?

End of Warsaw Pact? The collapse of Communism?  The break-up of the Soviet Union?

Grampy Bush's NWO lingo?

Did I miss something?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:04 | 1944902 Steak
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End of Warsaw Pact and breakup of the Soviet Union that allowed emigration from those countries.  Thats how a bunch of Russians ended up in my surburban Atlanta highschool.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 23:05 | 1945636 flattrader
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>>>Atlanta being a popular place for refugee resettlement, in the mid 90’s there was a wave of immigrants from the former Soviet republics. We gave them shit as ‘ruskies’ and ‘commies’, but they came along early enough that by high school we were all just part of the same groups.<<<

Steak, the end of the Warsaw Pact, which then put a bunch of refugees into your middle school (who apparently assimilated) hardly qualifies as "collapse."

Sonny, you ain't seen nuthin' yet.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 02:12 | 1945907 malek
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Maybe you should talk to a few Russian people. Just sayin'.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 08:26 | 1946146 flattrader
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I have.  Everything is relative.  The REAL Collapse is dead ahead.

1991 is hardly the date of the beginning of "The Collapse."

You could just as easily argue that Tiananmen Square in 1989 (and what followed) had a greater impact on "The Collape."

Some people are only aware of the history they lived through.  If his middle school had been filled with Chinese kids, he might be arguing for 1989 as well.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 01:59 | 1945901 Ponzi Unit
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Read Paul Kennedy, Flat.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:19 | 1944820 TheAkashicRecord
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When you first wrote "drugged with symbols" I thought you were going to bring up Baudrillard eventually, but then you threw me for a loop and brought up the other legit French B-named guy.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:33 | 1944843 GeneMarchbanks
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Had to be done, dude. It is only too true.

ps. I could've used Koestler (said the same thing) but you can't go wrong with Sharles...

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:04 | 1944769 I Am The Unknow...
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Dear Steak and CD - first to CD: old fuddy-duddy-buddy I'm sorry I haven't been posting much the past several months and I hope you don't feel that I've disappeared on you.  I reached a point where I thought I had chimed in enough and said what I wanted to say and besides, you are much more articulate than I am so I figured you really don't need my help.  Thanks for facilitating Steak's post and I'll go back to lurking soon.  Now, I am inclined to comment due to Steak's post here. 

Steak, I first want to applaud you for this well thought out piece and secondly commend you on your ability to handle the inevitable criticisms that will always accompany such thoughts.  I have been saying for about 10 years now that I see the makings of the next "Great Generation"... coming out of your age group or perhaps the generation to follow.  If I have any hope for America left it is not in our current regulatory-captured, co-opted, corporate bought political environment, but rather in hopes of the changes that will come from the likes you. 

There are a number of us who try and have tried at important crossroads in our lives to make the world better, and keep America free.  I made what I call small contributions but have to say I feel like my wings were clipped at every turn.  I had not ever expected to be beaten down and held back so hard, all the time.  So, I can assure you that the road ahead will be tough, though your generation's tech skills and advances may just be the key to restoring freedom in this country and to return us to our Constition, with prosperity to follow as it has done before.

Mr. Smith goes to Washington was produced in 1939 and America's Greatest Generation made it a number one hit.  Just 2 years later they shipped off to WW2 to fight for....Freedom.    

History doesn't repeat but it does rhyme.  I like the rhymes I'm hearing these days coming out of your age group.  I feel like we are in 1939 and the Mr. Smith movie just came out. 

Good luck.  I mean that sincerely and I know you're going to need it.  Hopefully the next tyrants can be removed from power with minimal physical conflict.

Now here's the comment that's going to earn me some stripes and lots of down arrows:  I don't expect the Baby Boomers on whole to ever grow up and take resposibility for their actions.  Most will die that way, one by one.  The best thing America can do is cut them off financially and then secondly kick them out of positions of power to make room for the younger ones.  Of course there are exceptions (Ron Paul is one, IMHO).  The Babies need to start hearing the word "NO" from the rest of the generations.  The sooner the better. 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:30 | 1944840 GoodMorningMr.V...
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 The "The Greatest Generation" was one of best generations in American History. Fought in WWII, Hardworking, selfless, had a sense of integrity. What happened to their children? What happed to the baby boomers?

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:30 | 1944965 Matt
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Their older siblings and peers, The Silent Generation, showed them how to get all the benefits of other people's sacrifices.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:05 | 1944782 High Plains Drifter
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oh here we go again.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 17:32 | 1944845 I Am The Unknow...
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No HPD, the Boomers (on whole) really did screw it up and let's put blame where it's due. I watched it happen before my eyes as one after another WWII Generation CEO was replaced with a Boomer.  Accountability, resposibility to employees, concept of the "Good Corporate Citizen," fiduciary duty, et al just went slowly downhill to point where it is today with the likes of Corzine and MFing Global.  Entire corporations (notably...accounting firms too like Arthur Anderson) have gone down by a level of myopic selfishness that far eclipses the concept of mismanagement and stands clearly on the criminality side of the line. 

HPD I know you're good at making your point.  Go on and have at it and I'll try not to get too offended. I've read enough of your posts to know I don't always agree with you but you do always make your point.      

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:33 | 1944970 Andre
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"It's the Boomer! It's the Boomers!" And the y learned from where again?

Do yourselves a favor.

  1. Study the history of Operations Research and some of luminaries - like McNamara - from WW2 
  2. Grab a copy of "The Organization Man" and read it.

What Boomers get blamed for started long ago. Let's just say, science applied to humanity does not always work well.

 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 20:53 | 1945300 I Am The Unknow...
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McNamara was one of the most evil human beings to walk the face of this earth.  He turned loyal, patriotic American troops into body bags and counted them to guage his policies.  If you are a fan of his, then I have nothing further to say to you except that you will surely join him in the afterlife right where I am sure he is now. 

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 18:33 | 1944967 MsCreant
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Do you think the same sentiments were alive in the 1920s moving into the 30s? I do. How wild and throughly modern it all looked. How foolish those that bought on margin seemed. My grandmother was a child and told me to never, ever, buy stocks. She blamed the fools before her for her poverty.

Putting the generations at each other's throats is like racism, sexism, homophobia; a way to keep us from being a we. I don't think the conversations are bad, but we are in something much bigger than something caused by a generation.

No junks for anyone here from me.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 21:16 | 1945326 I Am The Unknow...
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@MsCreant - I want to start by saying I really like your posts, overall, and I like the way you think.  Please keep it going. 

I'm not old enough to remember the 20s, but I can say that I was told the ability to buy stocks on margin was limited to a very small number of the population, and was an alien concept to almost everybody.  Back in those days, when one didn't have two nickles to rub together, who would have thought to borrow five dollars, let alone 5,000 dollars?  Speculation did indeed drive the economy down and henceforth most people into poverty so I say your Grandmother's sentiments have much merit. 

MsCreant, I've been taking this political correctness crap on the chin since at least the late 1980's, as far as I can figure.  I'm at the sunset of my years and I think one of the best things that these young people are doing these days is calling a spade a spade, but not in a hurtful manner.  This technology today allows people to catch errors quickly, and correct people who are spreading lies.  They have created a way on a global scale to encourage those who they feel are truthful and discourage attention from those who are not.  That's really neat if you ask me.  Used to be the jerk got called out at the local bar or church and run out of town where he found his next victims. 

I know it is bad in the sense of divisiveness and political incorrectness but I have to stand by my statement that I witnessed this happen in my lifetime and I do squarely point the finger at the "pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" generation, a.k.a the boomers. 

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 02:47 | 1945931 MsCreant
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I think we shall agree to disagree and that does NOT keep us from being allies, I don't think. I can't help but see the sentiments as cyclical. If we are indeed repeating cycles, it is wrong to blame the boomers (I just miss this bullet myself, front running Gen X here [1964]). There is no one to blame in this sense, just processes that ebb and flow. Excess leads to tightening. Tightening succeeds and looks freakish to the next set who eases (my Grandmother's kids thought her values peculiar, told me so). The next set appears to have no values when, in reality, they simply know little hardship. I knew hardship for different reasons, so I saw my Grandmother's version of reality more easily than most might. I have been homeless, without food for days, as a child. 

Our Meaty post parallels my Grandmother's set, working the cycle around again.

I don't think you are wrong. I think we are looking at different parts. When you look at a snapshot, the boomers are hedonistic and to be blamed. If you look at a longitudinal view, this just seems to happen. Banksters do not get a free pass in this by the way. But they reach across the age spectrum.

Bottom line, the correction is needed and technology just might help the truth come to be the common understanding. The damned part of it is, misunderstandings can be circulated via tech, too.

Peace, thanks for posting.

Sun, 12/04/2011 - 16:40 | 1944717 YouThePeople
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Pretty sick of all the generational whining & finger-pointing. Blame the boomers weak sauce.

Study some history. We're fighting the same tyranny & oppression that we have fought for centuries.

Blaming an age demographic. Gimme a fucking break.

Mon, 12/05/2011 - 02:05 | 1945904 Ponzi Unit
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Blame the Minsky Journey, the intoxication of unipolar hegemony, Kondratieff cycle. Rothschild, GS, and JPM.

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