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Handful of Violent Rioters Don’t Represent “Occupy” Protests

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Violent Oakland Rioters Don't Represent the Protesters

While there was senseless destruction of property in Oakland, NBC Bay Area notes that the leaders of Occupy Oakland say that “anarchists” not associated with the group are responsible for last night’s violence.

The New York Times reports:

A belligerent fringe group that seemed intent on clashing with law enforcement and destroying property.

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[They were] part of an Occupy Oakland subgroup that the city’s interim police chief, Howard A. Jordan, described as “generally anarchists and provocateurs.”

Some members of the group that had closed the port reprimanded those who smashed windows, threw rocks, ignited a 15-foot-high bonfire of garbage and covered downtown storefronts with graffiti.

When a man wearing a bandana broke a window with an empty beer bottle, another protester yelled, “Who are you? That isn’t what this is about!”

Indeed, as the following two videos show, the overwhelming majority of protesters were peaceful and tried to stop the provocateurs:

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And as Steve Watson noted, provocateurs pathetically circulated anti-nonviolence flyers at the Occupy Oakland protests.

Provocateurs Used By Governments All Over the World to Discredit Peaceful protests

Wikipedia notes:

An agent provocateur may be a police officer or a secret agent of police who encourages suspects to carry out a crime ....

A political organization or government may use agents provocateurs against political opponents. The provocateurs try to incite the opponent to do counter-productive or ineffective acts to foster public disdain—or provide a pretext for aggression against the opponent (see Red-baiting).

Historically, labor spies, hired to infiltrate, monitor, disrupt, or subvert union activities, have used agent provocateur tactics.

There are numerous, documented cases from around the world of government provocateurs acting violently at peaceful protests in order to discredit the peaceful movements.

For example - during the Egyptian "Arab Spring" protests - Mubarak's security force thugs dressed as protesters and committed violence ... in order to discredit the protests.

An Indonesian fact-finding team investigated violent riots which occurred in 1998, and determined that “elements of the military had been involved in the riots, some of which were deliberately provoked”.

In Burma:

“They’ve ordered some soldiers in the military to shave their heads, so that they could pose as monks, and then those fake monks would attack soldiers to incite a military crackdown. The regime has done this before in Burma, and we believe they would do so again.”

Quebec police admitted that, in 2007, thugs carrying rocks to a peaceful protest were actually undercover Quebec police officers:

At the G20 protests in London in 2009, a British member of parliament saw plain clothes police officers attempting to incite the crowd to violence. (And here is a video possibly showing a provocateur being let through the police line.)

In 2003, FAIR reported:

According to reports from the BBC and the German wire service Deutsche Presse-Agentur (1/7/03, 1/8/03), a senior Genoa police officer, Pietro Troiani, has admitted that police planted two Molotov cocktails in a school that was serving as a dormitory for activists from the Genoa Social Forum. The bombs were apparently planted in order to justify the police force's brutal July 22 raid on the school. According to the BBC, the bombs had in fact been found elsewhere in the city, and Troijani now says planting them at the school was a "silly" thing to do.

The BBC and DPA also report that another senior officer has admitted to faking the stabbing of a police officer in order to frame protesters. These revelations have emerged over the course of a parliamentary inquiry into police conduct that was initiated by the Italian government under pressure from "domestic and international outrage over the blood-soaked G8 summit in Genoa" (London Guardian, 7/31/01). Three police chiefs have been transferred and at least 77 officers have been investigated on brutality charges.

The U.S. is not exempt from such shenanigans.

Denver police officers were found to have used undercover detectives to instigate violence against police during the 2008 Democratic National Convention (this ultimately resulted in the use of pepper spray against their own infiltrating agents).

The New York Times pointed out in 2005:

At the vigil for the cyclist, an officer in biking gear wore a button that said, ''I am a shameless agitator.'' She also carried a camera and videotaped the roughly 15 people present.

Beyond collecting information, some of the undercover officers or their associates are seen on the tape having influence on events. At a demonstration last year during the Republican National Convention, the sham arrest of a man secretly working with the police led to a bruising confrontation between officers in riot gear and bystanders.

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Activists ....say that police officers masquerading as protesters and bicycle riders distort their messages and provoke trouble.

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At one point, the [apparent officer] seemed to try to rile bystanders.

Indeed, obvious provocateurs were filmed at the G20 in Pittsburgh:


As I noted in 2008:

When agents provocateur commit violence or destroy property at peaceful protests, they are carrying out false flag terrorism.

Wikipedia defines false flag terror as follows:

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one’s own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time; for example, during Italy’s strategy of tension.

If intelligence agencies or federal, state or local police themselves commit acts of violence against people or property, and then blame it on peaceful protesters, that is – by definition – false flag terror.

Indeed, governments from around the world admit that they carry out false flag terror to discredit their enemies.

Oakland Rioters: Provocateurs?

While we are not yet sure whether the tiny group Oakland group of rioters (among tens of thousands of peaceful protesters) are police provocateurs, it is clear that they don't represent the Occupy protests in any way, shape or form.

The direct democracy practiced by the protesters is nothing at all like the violent rioting by the thugs.

Anyone who focuses on the handful of provocateurs - as opposed to the hundreds of millions of peaceful protesters and their supporters - is uninformed or dishonest.

 

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Sat, 11/05/2011 - 06:50 | 1848141 mayhem_korner
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Anyone who focuses on the handful of provocateurs - as opposed to the hundreds of millions of peaceful protesters and their supporters - is uninformed or dishonest.

 

 

Anyone who asserts that there are hundreds of millions of peaceful protesters is dishonest or disillusioned. I was at OWS on Thursday...not too impressive a stand at this point (if ever it was).

GW, why hasn't the Tea Party ever had to level these "clarifications"?

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 18:41 | 1846840 topshelfstuff
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worth the time to read, about 10 minutes

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52167113/Dirty-Wars

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:38 | 1846347 LivermoreJim
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They do represent OWS and are driving the movement. There has been no real denunciation by the media, Obama, and majority of Demos. There is no real focus to OWS other than hate. The Tea Party at least pushed for limited govt.

The OWS crowd pushes only for the gallows -- someone must suffer and it doesn't matter who or what.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:38 | 1846341 Singularity05
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Based on the same logic not all tea party members are god fearing, racists

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:37 | 1846338 Singularity05
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Based on the same logic not all tea party members are god fearing, racists

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:25 | 1846301 Problem Is
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+5 GW...

Police provocateurs...

Yes.

NSA counterinsurgency military operatives...

Yes.

Amerikanische Geheime Staatspolizei... Der Schutzstaffel...

Yes.

Pure False Flag State Sponsored Terrorism...

Yes.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:06 | 1846259 Sweet Chicken
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I am fully for hanging and killing every single banker and politician. Time to start anew.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:41 | 1846185 Clowns on Acid
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GW - Don't forget avout ACORN (federally funded asswipes) being found out / exposed in NYC for actually paying a hundred people to protest and carry signs.

This left wing facsist rust never sleeps (well except in V Park).

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:25 | 1846117 RoadKill
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Cut the crap. Sure SOME of the OWS crowd are normal mon-violent blue collar types down on their luck. But the CORE is the same lunatic left that we have seen protesting everything "capitalist" for the last 50 years.

I left Milan right before they broke into GS office and spray painted the halls. I got to Rome AFTER the violent protests, but still saw a big protest after Berscu... announced raising the retirement age by 2 years by 2026. Everyone was carrying a red Hammer and Sycle flag.

This is the same group of lazy freeloading malcontents that have been protesting since the 60s to get their hands on someone else's money (mine apparently). They are using the same tactics - naked drum circles and smoking pot are harmless, but you see the same criminality you get from the enviro-terrorist and union thug crowd. I guess these jokers need something to do in between G20 protests since they don't have jobs (due to lack of skills, work ethic and tattoos/purple hair - not Obummer).

Thought this was a trading & investment site. But half of you are either commits or hoarder/survivalists!!!

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:32 | 1846329 dexter_morgan
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"Thought this was a trading & investment site. But half of you are either commits or hoarder/survivalists!!!"

You must be new, or what took you so long to figure that out?

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:27 | 1846201 tickhound
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"This is the same group of lazy freeloading malcontents that have been protesting since the 60s to get their hands on someone else's money."

The corporate welfare dependancy class has been doing the same thing... But the likes of AIGies don't have to protest.  They have misdirected people like you to do it on their behalf.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:41 | 1846182 DaveyJones
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sorry to shake your world. We all know the state of the state deserves no dramatic criticism. Getting the wrong hands on someone else's money is what these uprisings (all around the world) are all about.   

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:24 | 1846114 tony bonn
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i assure you that the cia routinely inserts agents provocateurs as a matter of routine policy...it is how they got congress riled up about vietnam....and i could go on and on and on about the role of the cia and other nazi elements feverishly at work creating the perfect totalitarian state for the rockefeller-rothschild axis of evil....

my god, they murdered a president! what makes any fucktard think that they would stand idly by while an opposition group challenged their skinhead nazi bullshit...

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 18:34 | 1846112 ex VRWC
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Wall Street isn't evil.

The people at the top who steal the money are just provocateurs, put there to discredit honest bankers who are just trying to loan farmers money, make the American dream happen, and support Main Street and healthy capitalism.

Well if it works for OWS to blame provocateurs, then why not Wall Street?

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:01 | 1845981 sgt_doom
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While this is a great blog post, GW, I'm not sure I agree with the title:

"Handful of Violent Rioters Don't Represent 'Occupy' Protests"

Perhaps, and justifiably, they should!  I've been an activist for forty years at least, and each year accomplished less and less, and today the vast majority of national and local issues turns out to be a colossal waste of time; the bad guys (or soulless ones, or sociopaths) are richer than ever, and thus more powerful.

Back in 1920, explosives were set off in front of JP Morgan.  Certainly got people's attention, although I'm uncertain that the correct people were harmed!

The labor movement ONLY began gaining ground when executives would start their autos, back in the '30s and '40s, and be incinerated in them during the ensuing explosions.

We should all recall the Ludlow Massacre and Haymarket Massacre, and numerous other travesties committed against working Americans and recall that the sole purpose of National Guard Armories strategically placed around the country was to put down any and all labor strikes.

At this point, existing in a Corporate Fascist State in a completely fraud-based society, what other options do we have today?

A short time ago I was monitoring some shows on Rupert Murdoch's BBC (at least from the content it appears he owns it), and heard one show where Barclays' CEO, Bob Diamond, proclaimed the problem was PUBLIC SPENDING....PUBLIC SPENDING....PUBLIC SPENDING!

Of course, we here realize that's bullcrap, and especially suspect coming from Barclays' Diamond (15 years with that bankster), considering how many times over the past 15 years has Barclays been forced to pay paltry penalties for criminal money laundering?

(And that's ONLY the times they were actually caught at it!  And BTW, last time I checked the chairman of BBC was on the BoD of Barclays.)

And on the same show they interviewed Harvard shill, Posen (is anyone at Harvard not a shill???), economic advisor to the Mittster Romney, who claimed the problem was SOCIAL SECURITY...SOCIAL SECURITY....SOCIAL SECURITY.  (Evidently there's some magic to repeating it three times?  Just like the way they always repeat "conspiracy theory.")

On another BBC show, they interviewed a fellow from Goldman Sachs' hedge fund, and another fellow from Citigroup's hedge fund and some woman who was supposed to be their opposite, but was actually from a Euro astro-turf outfit who readily agreed with everything the other clowns preached!

And we wonder why so many still are clueless?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/11/04/extraditing-assange/

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:31 | 1846146 George Washington
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George Orwell – author of 1984 – pointed out in the Tribune (October 19, 1945),
the effectiveness of arms in preventing tyranny partly depends on
whether the average citizen can afford the current weapon of choice
possessed by the government:

The connection between the
discovery of gunpowder and the overthrow of feudalism by the bourgeoisie
has been pointed out over and over again. And though I have no doubt
exceptions can be brought forward, I think the following rule would be
found generally true: that ages in
which the dominant weapon is expensive or difficult to make will tend to
be ages of despotism, whereas when the dominant weapon is cheap and
simple, the common people have a chance
. Thus, for example,
tanks, battleships and bombing planes are inherently tyrannical weapons,
while rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently
democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a
simple weapon–so long as there is no answer to it–gives claws to the
weak.

 

The great age of democracy and of national self-determination was
the age of the musket and the rifle. After the invention of the
flintlock, and before the invention of the percussion cap, the musket
was a fairly efficient weapon, and at the same time so simple that it
could be produced almost anywhere. Its combination of qualities made
possible the success of the American and French revolutions, and made a
popular insurrection a more serious business than it could be in our
own day. After the musket came the breech-loading rifle. This was a
comparatively complex thing, but it could still be produced in scores
of countries, and it was cheap, easily smuggled and economical of
ammunition. Even the most backward nation could always get hold of
rifles from one source or another, so that Boers, Bulgars, Abyssinians,
Moroccans–even Tibetans–could put up a fight for their independence,
sometimes with success. But thereafter every development in military
technique has favoured the State as against the individual, and the
industrialised country as against the backward one …The one thing that
might reverse it is the discovery of a weapon–or, to put it more
broadly, of a method of fighting–not dependent on huge concentrations
of industrial plant.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:15 | 1846065 narnia
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Let's see, OccupyOakland calls a general strike.  Unions delcare solidarity with the strike.  Imagine violence and property damage breaking out.  Must be a "fringe group" because this is so out of character for unions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/09/business/union-dispute-near-seattle-turns-violent-and-idles-ports.html

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:30 | 1845804 JW n FL
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A belligerent fringe group that seemed intent on clashing with law enforcement and destroying property.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zejD0UkMGGY&list=PLA58E9ABFB2117591&index=57&feature=plpp_video

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Press For Truth Presents Into The Fire
World leaders and activists from around the world gathered for the G20 Summit. With over 19,000 police officers and security personnel on hand, the results lead to over 1100 arrests, martial law in downtown Toronto, and the most massive violation of civil liberties in Canadian history.

Into The Fire
The whole world is watching.

 

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Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
John F. Kennedy

from the ONLY President to try to stop the wholesale robbery of "We the People thru inflation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_11110

 

For 40 years things have gotten worse and worse.. Protests waste the energy of "We the People" and give "the powers that be" a chance to locate the leaders and arrest / kill / silence them.

 

It is time that Change Occurred for the betterment of ALL!

 

400 People own more than 150 Million others and we all know that it is multiples worse than that because of the offshore structures that protect the identity of who really owns the most.

 

I know most of you old fucks who played along with the Fraud for the past 40 - 50 years and stole a great living from the rest of the working class think you are entitled to enjoy the spoils of your War waged against the less fortunate.. but know this!

 

We Do NOT! Forget!

and.. more importantly!

WE ARE COMING!

 

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:22 | 1846096 LasVegasDave
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I know most of you old fucks who played along with the Fraud for the past 40 - 50 years and stole a great living from the rest of the working class think you are entitled to enjoy the spoils of your War waged against the less fortunate.. but know this!

 

We Do NOT! Forget!

and.. more importantly!

WE ARE COMING!

 

I didnt steal anything asshole.  Least of all anything from you

So dont forget your Kevlar when you come looking to steal my stuff

and watch out for drones

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:41 | 1845882 sgt_doom
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Bad cop update:



 

 

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/11/03/41176.htm

A widow says a regional SWAT team killed her husband, a Marine veteran, in a botched raid not even aimed at him, riddling their house with 72 bullets while she and their 4-year-old son were in it.



 

 

Sat, 11/05/2011 - 16:47 | 1849185 IAmNotMark
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Yea, but they were chasing drugs, so it was okay. 

Ya can't chase drugs without shooting some innocent people! 

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:37 | 1845813 JW n FL
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Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:30 | 1845798 LFMayor
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You're absolutely right George.  I mean look at the Pope, he was in the Waffen SS.

So don't let a few bad apples spoil the barrel.  Or a few feet-sniffers, or rapists.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:07 | 1846029 Mr Lennon Hendrix
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Still today, the Church is a Nazi front.  Are you building a strawman or am I missing your point?

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:28 | 1845788 ImNotARobot
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I saw Russell Simmons on TV the other day defending the OWS people.  He even went down to Wall Street to help protest against big banks and rich people.  Then I remembered he started his own "debit card" people could use and I decided to check out what the fees are. 

https://www.rushcard.com/whyrushcard/scheduleoffees.aspx

They are higher than my bank fees AND credit card fees.

What a hypocritical fucking dickhead.  The funny part is that he did it all with a straight face.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:20 | 1845756 Doubleguns
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"Anyone who focuses on the handful of provocateurs - as opposed to the hundreds of millions of peaceful protesters and their supporters - is uninformed or dishonest."

Tell that to the tea party folks slandered repeatedly by the left leaning media out praising this event as so peaceful.

I might add that many of the provocateurs against the tea party were members of congress screaming racist at the top of thier voice. 

 

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:57 | 1845655 LasVegasDave
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Handful or racist losers (if there are any)  do not represent tea party protesters

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:07 | 1845701 George Washington
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Exactly!

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:45 | 1845913 Sabibaby
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I know, look at all the times in history when peaceful protests actually solved anything. Yeah, there are a lot, just look them up, yeah, it's a really powerful movement, being non-violent and all. Thank goodness for OWS, what would everyone do without peaceful protests, they're so successful. I have so much hope right now that I'm looking forward to the change. 

as a side note, it was hallarious over Halloween watching zombies hold OWS signs...

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:11 | 1846045 LasVegasDave
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last time I checked the Mohatma still had more cache than OWS.

Gandhi + free market capitalism  + education = vibrant middle class

 

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:50 | 1845611 mind_imminst
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The violence and general mischief-making is too widespread to blame it on "plants" or "provocatuers". OWS is and always was more comprised of union thugs, communists, and anarchists, all known to promote violence as a means to an end. Wasn't Rosie O'Donnel calling for violence on national TV? I have seen the videos. OWS DOES have a large violent contingent. People who have good ideas and some semblance of a plan for action are in the minority, as far as I have seen. I understand the hope that OWS will become something better and bigger and non-violent, but it hasn't happened yet.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:24 | 1846306 IAmNotMark
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The main violence I have witnessed regarding OWS has been instigated by union thugs.  Unfortunately, they're also in uniform.  One of them maced several people, including other union thugs, and one of them shot a peaceful protester in the head and flash banged the people trying to help.

So, you are right!  Union thugs are responsible for this violence.  I doubt they'll get in trouble though.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:38 | 1846340 mind_imminst
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Touche' Iamnotmark! The incident with the tear gas in Oakland WAS abhorrent and unnecessary. Police brutality is getting way too widespread in this country.

But don't try to tell me OWS isn't going looking for trouble in many cases. Part of the trouble is they are not committed enough to go all in for violent revolution nor as effective as the Tea Party at affecting legislation (evidence: no new bailouts lately). OWS is leaderless, aimless, and semi-violent....thus far. Like everyone else, I would sure like to see them accomplish something, anything, positive for the country. It just hasn't happened so far, after more than 2 months.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:59 | 1846238 daxtonbrown
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We are in the early stages of a long term civil war over debt slavery. The anarchist and union goons are just a proxy army for the state. http://www.futurnamics.com/civilwar.php

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:44 | 1846360 dexter_morgan
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+1984

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:29 | 1846326 Problem Is
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+1... Correct analysis...

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:49 | 1845608 Marla And Me
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It's even clearer than that Mr. Washington:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eCpcA5D-Lc&feature=share

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 15:14 | 1846278 chunga
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Here'e the same thing - a liitle longer - with the cops giggling about it.

VIDEO - Oakland Police Were Embedded In Occupy Oakland's Camp Before The Raid

The Daily Bail does a great job of providing videos really quick.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:38 | 1846175 Charles Bishop ...
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Good catch. We may have room for you in our Special Weapons Division.

 

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:43 | 1846174 Charles Bishop ...
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Sorry. there's an echo in the cargo bay of these Conestoga-class starships.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:09 | 1845713 George Washington
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Thanks, I meant to add that, then got tired and forgot!

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 17:22 | 1846612 Ragnar24
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You're absolutely correct that these "movements" and "color revolutions" involve agitators.  We also seem to agree that the violence begets MORE controls from the CONTROLLING powers... which to me, are the powers that have been in our executive branch since 2000 (neocons are just another form Progressives).

So I think we also agree the "rulers" do NOT want the Constitutional Republic that your namesake founded.

Now how about OWS? Do they want a George Washington Republic or something else?  True, they're not all anarchists. And they're mostly nonviolent.  However, they all BELIEVE the "red herring" argument that our current system of "crony capitalism" IS free market capitalism... and are therefore advocating for anything other than true capitalism (no Fed, no bailouts).

That leaves socialist/communist/marxist alternatives as the replacement. Is that what George Washington would advocate today?

All you have to do is look at OWS supporters to identify their motives: Michael Moore, Van Jones (from Oakland), ACORN, Communist Party USA, Cornel West, Francis Fox Piven (http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=46927), George Soros (via any one of his Open Society Institutes' minions)... 

Or how bout a likely organizer named Steven Lerner (SEIU)? 

Or their redistributative demands: Debt forgiveness (is that not a personal bailout?), free education, free health care...

So yes, there are instigators among them, but OWS will be just fine with the Nanny State that comes down on them -- it's exactly what they all want! 

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 12:18 | 1845468 Spastica Rex
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The entire "Occupy Movement" is anarchist: it denies that current economic/political systems world-wide are self justifying. That's anarchism. Notice that "anarchism" as defined by the establishment is always synonymous with violence and lawlessness. Wonder why?

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 13:05 | 1845694 Don Smith
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Whaaaa? That doesn't make sense.  Saying that Occupy is anarchist because it doesn't believe our system is just is like saying a Southern Baptist is atheist because he tells a Muslim they're going to hell because they are worshipping a false god.  

This is more akin to a Southern Baptist railing against their church hierarchy when they find out the heirarchy has been engaged in a child porn ring.  They want to restore the religion and the leadership ideals they had BEFORE the kiddie porn ring was established. 

Totally distinct from anarchism, which is the dismantling of government and allowing communities (however large or small) to govern themselves.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:08 | 1846036 Spastica Rex
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I would suggest you re-enroll in Syllogisms 101.

Fri, 11/04/2011 - 14:32 | 1846148 DaveyJones
DaveyJones's picture

cute, they missed it.

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