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High-Level Officials Eager to Spill the Beans About What REALLY Happened on 9/11 … But No One In Washington or the Media Wants t
9/11 Commission Admits It Never Got The Facts ... But No One Wants to Hear From the People Who Know What Happened
9/11 Commission: We Never Got All of the Facts
9/11 Commissioners admit that they never got to the bottom of 9/11. For example:
- 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue
- 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." He also says that it might take "a permanent 9/11 commission" to end the remaining mysteries of September 11
Indeed, 9/11 Commissioners and other officials say that the true facts were hidden from them, or covered up (you don't have to get bogged down in reading this section - you can skip ahead to the next, if you like; this is just documenting that the 9/11 Commission report is in no way the last word on 9/11):
- The 9/11 Commission’s co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (free subscription required)
- 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”
- 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”
- The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – recently said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.” And he said: “It’s almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA’s New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened”
- A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials, and who has for years been a tireless anti-war advocate and critic of imperial foreign policy (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”
- A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe (and see this)
- A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored)
- A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that “the evidence points at” 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job
- The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said “The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup”
- According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here)
- Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that “we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on”
- Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren’t being told the truth about 9/11
- Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11
- Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation
- Congressman Dan Hamburg doesn’t believe the official version of events
- Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9something very different from the Bush-Cheney version of events occurred on 9/11
- U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said “We’ve never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I’ve seen that for a long time”
- Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
- Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says “The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence”
- The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
- Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is “the dog that doesn’t hunt”
- Several key employees for the defense department say that the government covered up their testimony about tracking Mohammed Atta before 9/11
- The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission
High-Level Officials Want to Explain 9/11 ... But Are Being Gagged
There are high-level officials who can tell us why 9/11 happened ... but they are being ignored or gagged.
As Senator Patrick Leahy said that Congress doesn't want to know what happened:
The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush’s watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?
And the people who can explain what happened are being gagged.
FBI Translator - "The Most Gagged Person" In History
For example, former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds - President of the National Security Whistleblower Coalition - who has been deemed credible by the Department of Justice's Inspector General, several senators (free subscription required), and a coalition of prominent conservative and liberal groups - has fought for years to testify about what she knows about 9/11, and has repeatedly asked to be subpoenaed (so as to avoid violation of her oath of secrecy as a government employee).
The ACLU described Edmonds as:
The most gagged person in the history of the United States of America.
And famed Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg says that Edmonds possesses information "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers".
Not a single politicians or prosecutor has been willing to issue a subpoena.
Edmonds also made the following offer:
If anyone of the major networks --- ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX --- promise to air the entire segment, without editing, I promise to tell them everything that I know," about everything mentioned above, she told us.
"I can tell the American public exactly what it is, and what it is that they are covering up," she continued. "I'm not compromising ongoing investigations," Edmonds explained, because "they've all been shut down since."
Not a single major network has let Edmonds say what she knows.
Indeed, Ellsberg says that the government has ordered the media not to touch Edmonds:
Ellsberg seemed hardly surprised that today’s American mainstream broadcast media has so far failed to take [former FBI translator and 9/11 whistleblower Sibel] Edmonds up on her offer, despite the blockbuster nature of her allegations.
As Edmonds has also alluded, Ellsberg pointed to the New York Times, who “sat on the NSA spying story for over a year” when they “could have put it out before the 2004 election, which might have changed the outcome.”
“There will be phone calls going out to the media saying ‘don’t even think of touching it, you will be prosecuted for violating national security,’” he told us.
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“I am confident that there is conversation inside the Government as to ‘How do we deal with Sibel?’” contends Ellsberg. “The first line of defense is to ensure that she doesn’t get into the media. I think any outlet that thought of using her materials would go to to the government and they would be told ‘don’t touch this . . . .‘”
Other Whistleblowers Being Silenced
Edmonds also says that she has been contacted by two high-ranking military officers who would like to shed light on 9/11, but - due to their oaths of secrecy - can only do so if subpoenaed. No one in Washington wants to issue a subpoena.
High-Level Military Intelligence Officer: No One In Washington Wants To Know
Similarly, a high-level military intelligence officer says that his unit - tasked with tracking Bin Laden prior to 9/11 - was pulled off the task, and there warnings that the World Trade Center and Pentagon were being targeted were ignored.
Moreover, he says that he has information that can shed light on 9/11, and that he has repeatedly tried to get this information to the Obama administration and Congress, but that no one in the administration or Congress wants to hear about it. As just one example, Nancy Pelosi's office demanded that he not even email any information which he has about 9/11.
He is still working in military intelligence, and so he can only publicly speak about 9/11 if he is subpoenaed. He is therefore asking that he be subpoenaed ... but no one wants to look into it:
There are numerous other whistleblowers with key information about 9/11. But no one in the government or media wants to hear what they know.
9/11 was one of the most important events in American history, as 10 years of war in numerous countries - costing trillions of dollars - and the crackdown on liberties like freedom of speech have all been justified by that one event. And yet the politicians in D.C. and the corporate media don't want to hear from the people who can explain the gross incompetence (or worse) which occurred on that day
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Since when people are smart? That's news to me!
While I do not buy into 911 being a government inside job on the execution side - the National Geo special on the theory left me all but convinced that it was not, a cover-up of what actually did happen is something I'd buy into.
The possibilities are many. The ones I find most plausible:
I asked the same question before seeing your post. I feel the NWO/soros et al are behind it. An operation such as 9/11 had to begin long before 43 came into the picture, and your best proof are the 1st attempt on the towers + Cole + Khobar Towers + US Embassy in Kenya, to each and everyone the US responded with high levels of rhetoric but little else. Who was America's leader under all end each of the incidents as well as who denied the blowing of bin-laden's brains when special ops had his turban in the cross-hairs but the crook-in-chief refused to OK the pulling of the trigger. Bingo ...... Bubba 'Blow-me" Clinton, whom I have long suspected to have been in the pocket of none-other than, the NWO father-figure ..... soros. After all, the old coot does not have to pay the bribes out of his own pocket, instead just collect from all those who stand to gain from the NWO and the downfall of the US. Between all of them, tens of billions of $ is petty cash, especially if you consider the long term benefits of the US being relegated to 3rd world status and rendered inconsequential. Then of course, having their own inside people who would do the favor for free is not out of the question either.
One thought about the NWO group: I personally feel that as a whole it is a handful of the 'wrong' people in the right places, and often times they call pull of jobs through willing facilitators who in fact have no glue of the true agenda behind their actions, namely NWO, instead, doing it for greed and fame, or perhaps as simple as a favor, yet, they are doing nothing but progressing the cause and agenda of the NWO jerkoffs. BTW, I believe that hilary cli(n)t(on) is among the insiders just as is King Husein of the US of A.
Perhaps a bit more could be said but I am bushed and I believe my point has been made to a large degree.
God, what a fucking shame, and crime, those in power, knowingly or otherwise, have allowed this once great country to be torn to pieces, and with each passing day, I come closer to the conclusion that the damage done has become irreparable even if the unwashed wakeup and raise hell. too much infrastructure of what made this country great had been eroded while the enemies have secured key positions for their fucking operatives and facilitators. BTW, I am obsoletely convinced that the NWO will be even less successful than EU, as will the 'single currency'. The end result will be WW3.
God Bless America !!!!
I am shocked to learn that a government report about an episode of massive government incompetence...is a piece of crap.
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Don't go, you're being set up.
Assuming for a minute that "Janus" is legit, he would be wise to already not be in the country. He would also be wise to not be where he already planned to go. With knowledge comes responsibility and risk, and with certain knowledge comes great responsibility and great risk.
well, i've never made any claims on legitimacy; i've been a bastard since that day of my poor mother's woe and sorrow.
janus came to the country to escape a world which valued kitsch and tinsel over everything else, even their own happiness and health. now, nothing in that regard has changed.
but the world is changing, and radically so; and there is a FORTUNE to be made if risk is indeed responsibly managed.
and, well, i'm bored of chickens and azeleas and dogwoods; i want to go where the action is.
i intended to make a similar move about five years ago, but was surprise with my third son (found out on my thirtieth birthday -- that's a fine how-do-ya-do!) and janus boys must spend their formative years in the woods.
besides, i will be leaving them here for at least the first year...way too expensive to tend to a family (much less one's self) in that city.
but the action awaits; and i love action.
boredom is a root of all evil,
janus
Those in the know in our government can't tell the truth about 9/11 because it would utterly panic the citizenry. The truth is that Russia was behind 9/11 and there's a wealth of circumstantial evidence indicating as such:
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/09/10-years-later-was-russia-b...
Moscow has been busy deceiving the West and entire world for the past couple of decades for strategic purposes:
http://thespiritoftruth.blogspot.com/2011/08/bogus-moscow-coup-20-years-...
Ultimately this will all end very, very badly for us. There are likely folk in high places with access to good intelligence who are aware of the harsh truth. They bite their tongues because of the panic telling the truth would cause and that's if anybody believed them in the first place anyways.
Read a little bit about Anatoliy Golitsyn
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatoliy_Golitsyn
and check out this fellow Yuri Bezmenov
http://www.tfmetalsreport.com/comment/5018#comment-5018
The Russians may not be behind EVERYTHING, and may also have peeps controlling/acting through them. But it would be foolish to assume that they do not have a hand in most every cookie jar...
SOT, the "evil Russians did it" view doesn't fly in view of all the facts. Go back to the 1980s and peddle that Cold War line; someone might believe it then...
Perhaps you didn't get the memo, but the official rules of Conspiracy Cup 2011 are that each of the moonbat theories have to fight it out in an elimination round robin tournament. For example, you (Representing the Russkies) might draw the Rothchilds in the opening round. You might then face the winner of the Cheney-Mossad match, or even the Rockefeller-CIA match (which some argue is really a varsity vs. taxi squad/red shirt match). Pay-per-view should draw good revenues, and the merchandising possibilities are huge.
The winner of the round robin, just like in America's Cup, takes on al Qaeda and the official story. No matter who the RR winner is, they go into the finals million to one underdogs.
you forgot The Middle East Terrorist team. As you know, those folks usually win cause their theory is by far the most insane and this of course mirrors most US policy.
Read again. That's the Final. Tickets are going to be dear. Maybe you can join the Alex Jones Corporate Tent and Luxury Box.
"..if anybody believed them in the first place anyways."
That really is the issue isn't it. I don't know why you got so many down votes for an opinion. I will tell you something which i don't think i would be writing in a blog but after reading you statements needs clarification.
Back in the late 90's like 97 onward i had dealings with a Russian that was on the delegation to the UN Security Council. Diplomat plates with ID and everything. He told me back in 1998 we were going to experience an attack. I brushed it off as a joke but asked what they would attack. All he stated to me they already attacked it once. Even if I could put 2 and 2 together or in this case 9 and 11 who would believe me anyway. You would be laughed out of any government office by any agent. They would just tell me not to talk to them anymore or that i am delusional and or having a mental breakdown. Would Russia want us to be attacked knowing we would start invading all these countries? They would never want that to happen. Russia did not want us attacked on that day. But obviously as you point out, at the highest levels they knew something. You have to accept the inevitability of what happened. Even if you knew the exact time and place before hand would the US goverment really have listened to you?
It's definitely something to consider. Why wouldn't they want us to do what we have done? It has hastened our collapse. Their strategy has been much cheaper than ours was to defeat them economically too.
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now do you understand why i must be:
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I truely believe the governments don't tell the truth BUT I don't believe they had any doing in it. At least I hope so.
Yes, you are correct.
The Bay of Pigs and Gulf of Tonkin are NOT examples of the US Goobermint doing unmentionably evil things, either.
Move along please, nothing to see....
and Northwoods is what we would call in the criminal courts a "substantial step"
Also think it ironic that every day most of us discuss the fact that those (truly) in power are systemically working to steal most of our country's wealth and ruin our children's future but yet many of those same folk can't believe those same bastards would do this and riddicule those who suggest it.
Not working quite as well lately.... the Iranian 'speedboat' episode and more couldn't get us into a shooting war with Iran. Even W was't stupid enough to do that - despite all the pushing from Uncle Dick. God knows he tried.
yeah, janus placed a bet on 'hope' in 2008, too.
by december 2010, i'd sworn before heaven and earth that i would NEVER vote again.
and i never will -- at least not in america.
my 'hope' was that an 'outsider' would stand up to these devils.
'hope' is el diablo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elfPHLzpmNk
you never let him finish so to tell the world what he was hoping for!!! What he stood for had come to surface before the election, but the media did not go into its usual drum-beat for he had for they were too fucking gaga - more like caca - over the guy's bullshit, they failed to connect the dots already there. He said it for years, bit not in so many words
Anyways, his "I Had a Hope" list is longer than an 8year old''s Dear Santa's letter!!!
Ohhhh ... and when all else fails (worse than obama) always make sure to play the race card - never-mind that he is white just as much as he is black, but more importantly he would not be where he is at w/o the white vote, proof that the majority of whites are color blind, and race was a non-issue - not to say that racism is dead. but then look at the wonderful display of peace n love about 3-4 weeks ago in Wisconsin. Were you behind that too? What most seem to forget is that just about every damn ethnic (group) was and/or is discriminated against: jewes, whites, irish, chinese, japanese, americans, french, italians, gypsies, indians, young, old, tall, short, fat, skinny, intelligent//geek, dumb as a box of rocks, etc etc etc, Perhaps this might come as breaking news but just about all of us got shit on for one reason or another, and you are doing it too.
As for raising hell, go for it: eric holdher has your back, and worse case scenario, obama will sign a broad pardon just minutes before his departure from the WH, so no worry.
Last lines from the movie "Three Days Of The Condor" 1975
Robert Redford (off the reservation cia agent)
"Ill go to the NY Times with it."
Hal Holbrook (his station chief)
"What makes you think they'll publish it?"
The truth can be both ugly and beautiful at the same time.
According to Jeff Prager:
"Nuclear 911 (2011) - Detailed Exposure of the Thermonuclear Demolition"http://www.scribd.com/doc/49624448/Jeff-Prager-Nuclear-911-2011-Detailed...
the truth is,
space aliens are real, and theyre negroid.
"The intel failure was not realizing these guys were ready to go on 9/11"
LOl! Nice try but this ZH not the forum of "USA Today". We're not guillable.
Downing Effect
VdB , keep talking my man, i want to hear more.
i was talking about this today at work and i got shit. the chumps lap it up.
'yeah is that why these theories are on youtube?'
and they thought i was a nutter.
again.
:p
"But why wouldn't a *German* media outlet do it? Or Russian? Or French?"
Let's take the French : here we have a bunch of 20-25 clowns I man experts/intellectuals that we see on EVERY media : radio TV press etc. These clowns cackle on every subject known to Man (politics economics philosophy science sports etc) cos they have intellectual super-powers, unlike idiots like you and me of course.
And these clowns have one opinion on 9/11 : if you don't believe the official story you're a nuts or a right-wing Jew hater... and possibly both.
So I don't think we'll help you. The truth is all over the Internet anyway.
same in Austria and Switzerland
ever notice how sometimes you can just start to read a post's headline and before you even finish guess who the contributor is?
Even better, you can guess the approximate headline AND the author before it's even posted.
The pattern is all too familiar. Out of context quotes, trying to lead the audience---despite the feigned caveat---to GW's conclusion. GW knows that the audience is not rabid for facts, but rather insinuations, so they won't check the fine details (kind of like the Truthers ignoring 99% of the NYFD transcripts because it crushes so many of their arguments). The technical term for what GW does is "yellow journalism".
the thing is, if you wanted to bring down a building why would you spend months to have invisible nijas with silent drills pack the building with explosives that some janitor might discover while reading porn on his lunchbreak while you craft this elaborate ruse of multiple airline hijackings, none of which was 100% sure to be successful, only to risk being left with a trade center full of explosives charges for the whole world to discover if the hijackings failed?
This is a movie plot. The plot is too overly elaborate to be a real plot. If the government could do all that they could balance their budget, and they cant. The government cannot even deliver the mail so how is it they could perfectly coordinate invisible nijas with silent drills and airline hijackers from across the country. The very idea is ridiculous.
Also, do you ever get the feeling contributors have more than one handle?
For me, all I know is a plane full of jet fuel crashed into a building with steel beams and burned for hours and then the building collapsed. I remember enough physics to understand what I saw. And I dont need an education to know that it is impossible to drill the hundreds of charges needed into the concrete of that building all night long for months without anyone in the universe noticing every night, let alone all the thousands of detonation wires that would have to be going down the stairwells.
Some people pick and choose what to believe based on their what experiences or bises possess them. Often these folks are right about some fact or instance but based on that they assume everything that happens is somehow connected. For example, Alex Jones. He was right about some things early on in his career but began to see the whole world as influenced by the same forces he construed as being responsible. Now he sees government poison when he looks at the clouds, is convinced the government can create earthquakes, that fema camps are for killing off the american population with disease rather than a pork barrel project, and so forth. He postulates Bilderbergers as creating a world government never stopping to realize that almost half the world is Muslim and they dont bow to Nelso Rockefller but are busy imposing their own version of worldgovernment on the rest of us.
In fact, the more of an expert you are the less likely some people are to believe you. You cannot argue with logic with someone like this because they have fallen victim to the error of primacy.
amazing too how GW gets all those other folks, engineers, pilots, military, architects to write about it too. God that man's got pull
he's no match for your brilliant detailed evaluation of the physical and institutional evidence
99% of the NYFD transcripts? Just how many of them reported hearing explosions?
NYFD: They have experience with fires in office buildings. They know the sound of exploding computer monitors and televisions. Explosions from placed charges would have been discernible from a much greater distance. None were.
Perhaps you do not need reminding, but AE911 does not have as a requirement actually being an architect or engineer.
As for pilots, start with the show The Aviators, or go to the AOPA website and watch a non-pilot not only fly, but actually land a commercial jet on a simulator. I also happen to be a pilot with multiple ratings and endorsements. Flying is not particularly difficult. Landing has its challenges (quartering tailwinds get the blood running), but flying is not difficult. Simulator time was easy to get pre 911; all it took was an ability to pay.
As for military, I take some stock in the C-130 pilot who monitored the approach and crash of the commercial airliner that struck the Pentagon. He identified it, before it struck, as having American Airlines markings. He watched it strike. Confirmation also includes the fact that 5 lightpoles and one generator were struck before the craft hit the building. If you view the security camera video you see it skidding into the Pentagon's side.
You are such a blatant liar, from molten metal found weeks later to the fall of WTC7 which wasn't nearly as damaged as the NON-falling WTC 5 and 6, to total failure to investigate with standard protocol, to lack of money investigation, to failure of air defense, to firemen saying WTC7 was going to be DEMOED before it went down there is so much shit that stinks only a fucking idiot, a coward or a shill (not mutually exclusive) would buy the Official Story after investigating the facts.
Firefighters discussing explosions in towers NOT monitors (NIST suppressed this videos for YEARS why would they do that?):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1Tb8gSGQ10
Those aren't computer monitors, computer monitors don't RUMBLE throughout downtown you fucking shill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A9X_8flGeM&feature=related
molten steel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-XA0Rv1Ng8
So seriously get the fuck out with your "I've looked into it and the Government Story makes sense" You're fucking lying.
Perhaps you missed the NORAD info ("air defenses down" is a blatant lie). You just accept what Alex Jones says without actually checking?
I'll repeat. Do you know what NORAD's mission was prior to 911? Do you know what an ADIZ is? Do you know where the ADIZs were located before 911? Do you know what the means for possible contact between ATC and NORAD was prior to 911? Do you know when ATC and the FAA contacted NORAD? (hint: 0837) Do you know what aircraft were on standby on that morning and where they were located? Do you know how long it takes to get from Otis AFB on Cape Cod to NYC? Do you have any idea how long it takes to locate one of 4500 aircraft in the air? Do you know how a non-operating transponder affects locating a particular aircraft? Do you know how long it took NORAD to lacate golfer Payne Stewart's Lear even when it had its transponder on? (hint: one hour and 22 minutes).
Molten Steel (sic)
Actually, molten metal. You absolutely certain it is steel? Do you find it the least bit curious that the "molten metal" in the tower was on the exact floors where the aluminum skinned aircraft crashed? Do you know the melting point of aluminum? Do you think you can say with certainty what a burning metal is by its color, when it was also mix with other flammable debris from the offices? If you think "thermite" did it, does thermite burn sideways on steel columns? Have you ever seen the burned out hulk of a airliner that caught on fire showing evidence of massive sections of the fuselage having melted away by the heat generated just from the aircraft itself?
Do you know what WTC7 sat atop? (hint: ConEd substation).
Do you know the tallest building ever brought down with controlled demolition (hint: 27 stories).
Are your "experts" incapable of error and incapable of lying? Should your "MIT" thing impress me? Didn't Ben Bernanke attend MIT? Well, that settles it! Infallibility! Frankly, if degrees like that impress you, I can match or top them undergrad and grad.
If you were capable of being reasonable, rather than being a fanatical Truther, you might appreciate that people with intellects above the idiot level could see that the official story explains things pretty well. Certainly they don't need to first label something "steel" (with no idea what it really was), and then use that false conclusion as proof of higher temperatures than NIST or any other report noted.
If you weren't a fanatical anti-truth person perhaps you would look at some of these details, but it is clear you haven't. For instance you insinuate that Architects and Engineers for truth accepts anyone and therefore there are no real architects and engineers for 9/11 there are in fact over 1500 of them.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
Remind me again why these people would put their careers on the line (MANY who have challenged the official story have lost their job or been threatened with the same)? I guess these experts just want to get street cred with the Alex Jones folks (btw I hadn't even heard of Alex Jones prior to around 2004 and had been researching 9/11 since October of 2001). Barry Jennings was actually IN the building on 9/11/01.
http://jenningsmystery.com/
He reported explosions FROM BELOW prior to WTC 1 and 2 falling. He said he was interviewed by the 9/11 commission but his testimony was left out as was the case for numerous first responders, families of 9/11 victims and other eye witnesses. But you are bound and determined to prop up the ridiculous "Official Story" and just ignore the reams and reams of evidence that show that the Official Story is bullshit.
You are the worst kind of useful idiot, and educated one. Pity you are such a coward, you have a marvelous intellect to spin damn near anything. Your aversion to all the data (which contrary to your obvious ignorance there are piles of) contrary to your points is quite clear. You have yet to fill in any of the holes in the official story other than with steaming piles of bullshit.
Ah, where does one start. Have you read the NYFD transcripts? All of them? From 2PM firefighters are on record as saying they expected WTC7 to come down. Read about the 20 story gash, the fires no one had time (nor personnel) to address. The CoinEdison substation under WTC7. Do you know how much potential energy exists in a massive skyscraper? Do you think energy just disappears? Oh, and since when are firefighters demo crews? Or real estate developers?
Address "free fall". Explain why debris fell faster than the buildings. Explain why the seismic record indicates much longer than "free fall" for any of the collapsed structures. Do you know what kinetic energy is? Do you know anything about the structural integrity of steel under heat and pressure? You might want to ask some of those Japanese makers of Samurai swords who got steel to do amazing things without getting it anywhere near its melting point. Heat and pressure.
From a logic perspective, can you explain why "conspirators" willing to slaughter thousands in order to create a spectacle would go through all the trouble, time and expense of bringing about a controlled demolition when a few well placed charges might have tumbled the buildings in opposite directions taking out other buildings and thousands more people?
Do you know how many man hours it would take to lay charges in 255 stories of highrise buildings? Can you imagine the time, or the number of loud mouth personnel who would be involved, who might get talking in a bar or brag to their girlfriends? Odd not a single one has in ten years.
There is not s single part of the 911 event as detailed by the Truthers that holds up to inspection. Zip. Why do you have a pathological need to believe in people you know nothing about? If "sheeple" buy the MSM line, what is different about the Truthers who swallow whole the line espoused by the Internet Gurus?
If you are in such a lather about 911 and are so sure you know who did it, if you aren't doing anything about it you are a wimp and a coward.
Fuck off on the shill thing. Just because someone calls you on your bullshit and your Internet Guru's bullshit doesn't mean they are shills.
If you have any other "proof" (the burden of proof is on you), put it out here. I'll be happy to take a shot at it.
So your come back amounts to one tiny bit of evidence (fire fighters said building 7 was coming down, not explaining exactly why) and ignore the MOUNTAIN of evidence that debunks the official story. I don't have to explain WHO the conspirators are nor HAVE I. I don't have to explain WHY they chose the particular method of terror they did, who gives a shit? Your post is rife with red herrings, distractions and attempts to piss me off (you were wildly successful in the latter) whilst obscuring the real issues. Nobody said buildings don't have potential energy you fuckwit, fucking duh. But plenty of buildings have been burned to a twisted wreck and haven't collapsed. Just as WTC 5 and 6 were FAR more damaged by WTC 1&2 debris and didn't completely collapse the way WTC7 did leaving only a pile of rubble and zero support beams.
I do in fact do everything in my power to bring attention to 9/11 what am I supposed to due somehow become a Supreme Court justice so I can subpoena these people? My powers are limited but I push them to the full extent. I see unlike me, you just pussy foot around anonymously posting on the net about why fascism rocks and how great the wars are (this is implied by your support of the lynch pin argument for the same) while not yourself suiting up for war.
As to how they placed charges, well we don't know that (there was the elevator repair multi-week powerdown there was the security personnel in charge of WTC, plenty of possibilities), what we do know is that the fall of WTC 7 is clearly one that was demoed per LARRY SILVERSTEIN. Nor did the FIREMEN have to place the charges you fucking idiot. Clearly they were placed in advance.
You are the fucking coward brown shirt who is pushing their agenda, if you are so sure they are right why aren't YOU in Afghanistan or Iraq? Oh that's right you are a fucking pussy that's why. Since YOU are so sure that OBL and Al Qaeda did it step up to the fucking plate you little bitch.
Go fuck yourself willing idiot and/or shill. Sounds like you are just a government status quo tit sucker who doesn't have the fucking balls to actually investigate and instead throws out red herrings (firemen placed charges which NO ONE has claimed you fuck) and distractions (it would be hard to pull off) and pure bullshit like "Why not make even MORE mayhem", when clearly it was MORE than enough. I can say it was more than enough as they are using it TODAY to justify an invasion of Iran.
http://www.ny1.com/content/top_stories/139464/new-lawsuit-targets-iranian-officials-for-role-in-9-11
Please, PLEASE go sign up for one of the wars that you are justifying and promoting. Or perhaps the TSA if molesting children is more your "point of the fascist spear" cup of tea. I still can't decide if you are just an intellectual and physical coward unwilling to put his ass on the line by joining the military for the cause he believes in (ie 9/11 official story is real) or even investigating the FACTS, or a paid shill, either way go fuck yourself. I notice in addition to classic rhetoric designed to obsfucate you also NEVER went to archtiects and engineers for 9/11 truth, you know people who put their fucking jobs and reputation on the line, unlike you, you anonymous fuck.
So in closing, fuck you you brown shirt piece of shit. That is all.
I see you've got no game. Zip. Won't address any of the realities, then create the straw man of various wars and insinuate I support them. Weak.
I address the supposed "proofs" of the claimed conspiracy. They all fall apart under examination. If I want to claim it was aliens who carried out the whole thing, the burden of proof would be on me, just as it is on you to prove who placed the charges and how, or why two 300,000 pound aircraft traveling at 450-500 mph, loaded with 19000 gallons of Jet-A each, striking two 110 story towers constructed with an inner core and perimeter steel beams, was not sufficient to bring both down, and why debris from one of the 110 story towers, which (according to the NYPD tore a twenty story gash in WTC7 and initiated fires that burned unattended for almost eight hours in a building with penthouses and an inner atrium) was not sufficient to bring it down. Go view the photographs of the sagging floors, bowed perimeter beams, debris falling faster than the "free falling" buildings. Try and find some of those miracle charges that somehow survived the aircraft strike and fire, and then all somehow disappeared when the buildings fell. If you have time, go to a real controlled demolition and look for evidence of the charges (it's a whole lot easier to find them, since they are actually there).
Why don't you take on Larry Silverman? Try to pin him on the out of context "pull them" quote so loved by the Internet Gurus. Maybe you'll call a demolition company and ask them if they actually use the term "pull" when referring to a controlled demolition. I'm sure Larry will just politely straighten you out rather than sue or take a shot at you. Perhaps you'll explain to him why a real estate developer would be in the demolition business, or why he would discuss it with a firefighting brigade and not a team of demolition experts. Maybe you'll even get the transcript of that entire telephone conversation so that you'll understand the context. Of course, taking even that small step might put some doubt in your mind and begin to make you feel a little silly or embarrassed for spouting the conspiracy bullshit to anyone who would listen.
Please post your "mountain of evidence", or even your super duper bestest few arguments. Don't be afraid. Nobody's going to "dead" you.
Wait wait, I did post evidence to which you didn't respond. You respond first to the molten metal reports, the explosions of size and the architects and engineers website.
Please thoroughly debunk it. You had, after ignoring my initial post with evidence including video testimony from that day, posted one thing which was that FDNY people said WTC7 was coming down. I've read that stuff, they thought it would fall, others also said "they are bringing it down soon, it's the next to go". So what were these mystery explosions post the planes hitting? Hmm? The molten metal?
I posted evidence first, you posted bullshit in response along with red herrings and inuendo. Please respond to what I posted first.
I've already acknowledged that some FDNY folks thought building 7 was coming down for different reasons. Ok, that's great they thought it was coming down for a variety of reasons INCLUDING as the video I posted showed that they were worried that SURROUNDING BUILDINGS WERE WIRED WITH EXPLOSIVES! So there VARIOUS and SUNDRY opinions wash eachother out. The rest of what you wrote is bullshit. Other buildings such as WTC 5 &6 both survived and were hit by MORE debris and also more fire yet they did not collapse into their foot print. Then there are NUMEROUS high rise buildings with MUCH longer lasting MUCH hotter fires that never collapsed. Damage to a corner such as WTC7 had is not a sufficient explanation per MULTIPLE doctoral engineers: (
MIT Engineer Disputes 911 Theory of the WTC Collapse-Part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8W-t57xnZg&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL820D63791A5C1B49
Now respond to all the links I posted. Or of course you won't you will find a nit to pick like all you anti-truth people do. Continue to cower behind mama government's skirt. Signed up to fight for the wars you are justifying yet? There are plenty of sites I've linked to and sites that I support where people with some clout are pushing for an investigation. I do all I can to support what I believe what have you done to fight back against the Islamic radicals you blame for this? Sign up for military service? No I thought not.
Btw you asshat it's well known that ALL the evidence was destroyed prior to the 9/11 commission and therefore anything RESEMBLING a real investigation. It's also well known that AT NO POINT was there an investigation into exotic accelerants even though that is STANDARD OPERATING PROCEEDURE.
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/
Continue to kowtow to fascism, maybe just maybe Cass Sustein will get a promotion. What's that you aren't getting paid for this? Well then enjoy the nightmare you unwittingly are building mr. Useful Idiot.
Yes chindit the firemen were told it was coming down just like BBC was told only the players fucked up that timing and the BBC then pulled that tape from public view forever like the surrounding pentagon cameras . Whose argument does this evidence suport. Your logic is poor
how come "the potential energy in a massive skyscraper" has never made a building behave this way before?
how come the "structural integrity of steel under heat and pressure" at least in this building was designed to sustain much higher tempearatures than were reached by this relatively fast fire compared to other high rises who have held for 36 hours with massive fires eating their entire non steel structure? How come engineers directly involved with ceritifying this steel have spoken out and were later hushed?
How come the mere fact that these conspirators contained the damage of their "terrorism" in your mind negates their existence? Logic perspective: like most false flags, it's more consistent with a conspiracy than true external attack seeking to maximize effect.
Do you know what famous family member sat in managment position of the security company watching over the towers? Do you know how many "shut downs" they had proceeding this event?
Any "personnel" involved in this would know its profound criminal nature and know they would end up dead if they ran off at the mouth.
You claim "there is not a single part of the 911 event as detailed by the truthers that holds up to inspection" yet you perform a hypocritical, logic challenged, and dishonest analysis that deliberately avoids profound amounts of diverse evidence.
"Hypocritical, logic challenged, and dishonest analysis that deliberately avoids profound amounts of diverse evidence"
Logic challenged? Like debris falling faster than "free falling" buildings? Towers whose collapse initiated EXACTLY where aircraft struck them? Supposed demolition charges that survived a strike by a 300,000 pound aircraft traveling between 450-500 mph? Radio controlled charges that did not go off despite the thousands of cellphones and public service radios cramming the airwaves? Clear pictorial evidence of sagging floors and warping perimeter columns as the heat from the fires coupled with the pressure from the upper floors began to impact the structural integrity of the buildings? NYFD transcripts that detail the extent of the damage and fires in WTC7 that resulted from debris after the north tower collapse? Photos of the north wall of WTC7 lying atop the collapse of the rest of the building supposedly brought down by controlled demolition?
Profound amounts of diverse evidence? Haven't seen any in this thread.
What I do see is a lot of people who will junk anything that points out facts that conflict with what their Internet Gurus told them.
Give it your best shot. The burden of proof is on you, as you see the grand conspiracy and secret cabals and "families" who would have allowed what would have been tens of thousands of man hours involved in setting charges, risking getting caught, all to bring---for reasons no Internet Guru has yet to explain---buildings down with "in their own footprints" when much less work could have gone into setting large charges in critical areas that would have toppled all three buildings and caused incredible damage and loss of life.
And please, no Rockefeller or Rothschild bullshit drivel. You have no idea how idiotic that sounds to anyone with any experience with the remnants of either of those families.
Ooops, Lucy ... your slip is showing! Better you stick to your usual strawmen.
Wow how interesting. You seem to insinuate you have relations with Rothschilds and Rockefellers. I don't know one way or the other about any Roth or Rock involvement in 9/11. That said David Rockefeller at least is involved in One World Government creation by his own admission.
For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as "internationalists" and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. -David Rockefeller
At least we know where your biais comes from. You are part of the problem. And here I thought you were just a lowly shill or useful idiot. Sorry to underestimate your level of corruption.