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High-Level Officials Eager to Spill the Beans About What REALLY Happened on 9/11 … But No One In Washington or the Media Wants t
9/11 Commission Admits It Never Got The Facts ... But No One Wants to Hear From the People Who Know What Happened
9/11 Commission: We Never Got All of the Facts
9/11 Commissioners admit that they never got to the bottom of 9/11. For example:
- 9/11 Commission co-chair Lee Hamilton says "I don't believe for a minute we got everything right", that the Commission was set up to fail, that people should keep asking questions about 9/11, and that the 9/11 debate should continue
- 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that "There are ample reasons to suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our version . . . We didn't have access . . . ." He also says that it might take "a permanent 9/11 commission" to end the remaining mysteries of September 11
Indeed, 9/11 Commissioners and other officials say that the true facts were hidden from them, or covered up (you don't have to get bogged down in reading this section - you can skip ahead to the next, if you like; this is just documenting that the 9/11 Commission report is in no way the last word on 9/11):
- The 9/11 Commission’s co-chairs said that the 9/11 Commissioners knew that military officials misrepresented the facts to the Commission, and the Commission considered recommending criminal charges for such false statements (free subscription required)
- 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said “We were extremely frustrated with the false statements we were getting”
- 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating: “It is a national scandal”; “This investigation is now compromised”; and “One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up”
- The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) – who led the 9/11 staff’s inquiry – recently said “At some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened“. He also said “I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years…. This is not spin. This is not true.” And he said: “It’s almost a culture of concealment, for lack of a better word. There were interviews made at the FAA’s New York center the night of 9/11 and those tapes were destroyed. The CIA tapes of the interrogations were destroyed. The story of 9/11 itself, to put it mildly, was distorted and was completely different from the way things happened”
- A 27-year CIA veteran, who chaired National Intelligence Estimates and personally delivered intelligence briefings to Presidents Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush, their Vice Presidents, Secretaries of State, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and many other senior government officials, and who has for years been a tireless anti-war advocate and critic of imperial foreign policy (Raymond McGovern) said “I think at simplest terms, there’s a cover-up. The 9/11 Report is a joke”
- A 29-year CIA veteran, former National Intelligence Officer (NIO) and former Director of the CIA’s Office of Regional and Political Analysis (William Bill Christison) said “I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe (and see this)
- A number of intelligence officials, including a CIA Operations Officer who co-chaired a CIA multi-agency task force coordinating intelligence efforts among many intelligence and law enforcement agencies (Lynne Larkin) sent a joint letter to Congress expressing their concerns about “serious shortcomings,” “omissions,” and “major flaws” in the 9/11 Commission Report and offering their services for a new investigation (they were ignored)
- A decorated 20-year CIA veteran, who Pulitzer-Prize winning investigative reporter Seymour Hersh called “perhaps the best on-the-ground field officer in the Middle East”, and whose astounding career formed the script for the Academy Award winning motion picture Syriana (Robert Baer) said that “the evidence points at” 9/11 having had aspects of being an inside job
- The Division Chief of the CIA’s Office of Soviet Affairs, who served as Senior Analyst from 1966 – 1990. He also served as Professor of International Security at the National War College from 1986 – 2004 (Melvin Goodman) said “The final [9/11 Commission] report is ultimately a coverup”
- According to the Co-Chair of the Congressional Inquiry into 9/11 and former Head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Bob Graham, an FBI informant had hosted and rented a room to two hijackers in 2000 and that, when the Inquiry sought to interview the informant, the FBI refused outright, and then hid him in an unknown location, and that a high-level FBI official stated these blocking maneuvers were undertaken under orders from the White House (confirmed here)
- Congressman Ron Paul calls for a new 9/11 investigation and states that “we see the [9/11] investigations that have been done so far as more or less cover-up and no real explanation of what went on”
- Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren’t being told the truth about 9/11
- Congressman Jason Chafetz says that we need to be vigilant and continue to investigate 9/11
- Senator Lincoln Chaffee endorses a new 9/11 investigation
- Congressman Dan Hamburg doesn’t believe the official version of events
- Congressman and senior member of the House Armed Services Committee, and who served six years as the Chairman of the Military Research and Development Subcommittee Curt Weldon has shown that the U.S. tracked hijackers before 9/11, is open to hearing information about explosives in the Twin Towers, and is open to the possibility that 9something very different from the Bush-Cheney version of events occurred on 9/11
- U.S. General, Commanding General of U.S. European Command and Supreme Allied Commander Europe, decorated with the Bronze Star, Silver Star, and Purple Heart (General Wesley Clark) said “We’ve never finished the investigation of 9/11 and whether the administration actually misused the intelligence information it had. The evidence seems pretty clear to me. I’ve seen that for a long time”
- Former Deputy Secretary for Intelligence and Warning under Nixon, Ford, and Carter (Morton Goulder), former Deputy Director to the White House Task Force on Terrorism (Edward L. Peck), and former US Department of State Foreign Service Officer (J. Michael Springmann), as well as a who’s who of liberals and independents) jointly call for a new investigation into 9/11
- Former Federal Prosecutor, Office of Special Investigations, U.S. Department of Justice under Presidents Jimmy Carter and Ronald Reagan; former U.S. Army Intelligence officer, and currently a widely-sought media commentator on terrorism and intelligence services (John Loftus) says “The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence”
- The Group Director on matters of national security in the U.S. Government Accountability Office said that President Bush did not respond to unprecedented warnings of the 9/11 disaster and conducted a massive cover-up instead of accepting responsibility
- Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan (Col. Ronald D. Ray) said that the official story of 9/11 is “the dog that doesn’t hunt”
- Several key employees for the defense department say that the government covered up their testimony about tracking Mohammed Atta before 9/11
- The former director of the FBI (Louis Freeh) says there was a cover up by the 9/11 Commission
High-Level Officials Want to Explain 9/11 ... But Are Being Gagged
There are high-level officials who can tell us why 9/11 happened ... but they are being ignored or gagged.
As Senator Patrick Leahy said that Congress doesn't want to know what happened:
The two questions that the congress will not ask . . . is why did 9/11 happen on George Bush’s watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen?
And the people who can explain what happened are being gagged.
FBI Translator - "The Most Gagged Person" In History
For example, former FBI translator Sibel Edmonds - President of the National Security Whistleblower Coalition - who has been deemed credible by the Department of Justice's Inspector General, several senators (free subscription required), and a coalition of prominent conservative and liberal groups - has fought for years to testify about what she knows about 9/11, and has repeatedly asked to be subpoenaed (so as to avoid violation of her oath of secrecy as a government employee).
The ACLU described Edmonds as:
The most gagged person in the history of the United States of America.
And famed Pentagon Papers whistleblower Daniel Ellsberg says that Edmonds possesses information "far more explosive than the Pentagon Papers".
Not a single politicians or prosecutor has been willing to issue a subpoena.
Edmonds also made the following offer:
If anyone of the major networks --- ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, FOX --- promise to air the entire segment, without editing, I promise to tell them everything that I know," about everything mentioned above, she told us.
"I can tell the American public exactly what it is, and what it is that they are covering up," she continued. "I'm not compromising ongoing investigations," Edmonds explained, because "they've all been shut down since."
Not a single major network has let Edmonds say what she knows.
Indeed, Ellsberg says that the government has ordered the media not to touch Edmonds:
Ellsberg seemed hardly surprised that today’s American mainstream broadcast media has so far failed to take [former FBI translator and 9/11 whistleblower Sibel] Edmonds up on her offer, despite the blockbuster nature of her allegations.
As Edmonds has also alluded, Ellsberg pointed to the New York Times, who “sat on the NSA spying story for over a year” when they “could have put it out before the 2004 election, which might have changed the outcome.”
“There will be phone calls going out to the media saying ‘don’t even think of touching it, you will be prosecuted for violating national security,’” he told us.
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“I am confident that there is conversation inside the Government as to ‘How do we deal with Sibel?’” contends Ellsberg. “The first line of defense is to ensure that she doesn’t get into the media. I think any outlet that thought of using her materials would go to to the government and they would be told ‘don’t touch this . . . .‘”
Other Whistleblowers Being Silenced
Edmonds also says that she has been contacted by two high-ranking military officers who would like to shed light on 9/11, but - due to their oaths of secrecy - can only do so if subpoenaed. No one in Washington wants to issue a subpoena.
High-Level Military Intelligence Officer: No One In Washington Wants To Know
Similarly, a high-level military intelligence officer says that his unit - tasked with tracking Bin Laden prior to 9/11 - was pulled off the task, and there warnings that the World Trade Center and Pentagon were being targeted were ignored.
Moreover, he says that he has information that can shed light on 9/11, and that he has repeatedly tried to get this information to the Obama administration and Congress, but that no one in the administration or Congress wants to hear about it. As just one example, Nancy Pelosi's office demanded that he not even email any information which he has about 9/11.
He is still working in military intelligence, and so he can only publicly speak about 9/11 if he is subpoenaed. He is therefore asking that he be subpoenaed ... but no one wants to look into it:
There are numerous other whistleblowers with key information about 9/11. But no one in the government or media wants to hear what they know.
9/11 was one of the most important events in American history, as 10 years of war in numerous countries - costing trillions of dollars - and the crackdown on liberties like freedom of speech have all been justified by that one event. And yet the politicians in D.C. and the corporate media don't want to hear from the people who can explain the gross incompetence (or worse) which occurred on that day
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In your posts you keep accusing me and other non-truthers of not addressing the "facts". On the contrary, the best any of you have done is use sweeping generalizations like "mountains of evidence". You haven't even produced mole hills, instead falling back on the discredited playbook of "free fall" and "own footprint", the "melting point" of steel, the bogus "pull them" comment, the lies about NORAD being told to "stand down", or even the racist argument about "men in caves" not being able to pull this all off. You choose conspiracy over incompetence, CYA and 'turf protection at the expense of cooperation', maybe because of your own powerlessness and need to believe there is some great omnipotent cabal pulling all the strings of society and the planet, sort of a Papal-like step between mortals and the gods.
Your apparent need to be angry at something and believe in bogeymen with incredible organizational skills and a code of silence that would make the Cosa Nostra envious leaves you unable to consider the simple facts that trounce the "freefall" drivel or the obvious photographic evidence of loss of structural integrity of the three buildings before their collapses. It keeps you focused on the quote mining of the Truthers and not seeing the quotes in their full context, which---if you took the time to read them---would reveal for you the clowns that the Jones/Tarpleys/GWs really are. Ignorance is a choice. You've made yours.
One final note, perhaps you'll go to NYC and address the NYFD's part---according to your beliefs about the "pull them" comment----when Silverman was on the phone with NYFD chiefs. I wouldn't do it this weekend, though, as I suspect they would not take kindly to your spurious accusation.
It was Mossad!...no Silverstein!...no voice to skull technology!...no nano-thermite invented by Mayans!...no it was a distraction from Bush incompetence!...no it was blood for oil!...no blood for lithium and green cars...lol.
It was Atta and that fucking pedophile cult of moon worshippers...end of story.
Have I once said Rockefeller or Rothschild? I love how you avoid the numerous issues and evidence we raise then say give it your best shot, it's your burden. Why do you say that? because you know with government control and destruction of the evidence and investigation, they can dramatically disable the ability to reach a conclusion. That in itself is a hypocritical and dishonest proposition.
Why do you set the procedural rules? Last time I checked, in most democracies, the government has the burden to prove to us these half assed bar hopping cessna pilots took control of our entire defense system that day, performed maneuvers beyond the skills of our best airforce pilots and destroyed each and every black box.
You deliberately avoid NORAD, the five flight exercises that day, Panetta's testimony, the overwhelming number of credible witnesses including firemen who heard and SAW tremednous explosions far below impact totally disconnected with the arline strikepoints, the seized camera evidence, the extraordinary amount of American Airlines puts, the immediate removal of all physical steel evidence in violation of the law and its outshipping to foreign lands to be melted away, the traces of thermite found in flying metal debris, the glowing core days later all of which is completely incosistent with a true external attack and more important an honest investigation.
You also keep making the pathetic argument that a conspiracy would seek greater destruction when logic and history demonstrate that false flags are usually contained while enemies seek maximum damage. This is our own atacking our own. In doing so, you transparently attempt to avoid explaining the physics of the footprint fall.
"you deliberately avoid NORAD"
Thanks for reminding me. Do you know what NORAD does? Do you know what their mission was prior to 911? Do you know what the term ADIZ means (if you are a pilot, you know). Do you know where all the ADIZs were located prior to 911? Did you know that prior to 911 FAA had no direct communication link with NORAD except by telephone? Do you know when ATC finally got through to NORAD and the process of scrambling intercept aircraft began (hint: 08:37 hours). Do you know how difficult it is to locate one amongst 4500 aircraft operating above CONUS, particularly when the target aircraft had no operating transponder? Do you know the time required for a fighter jet---even assuming it could be armed and fueled instantly---to become airborne and reach NYC from the old Otis AFB on Cape Cod? Do you know what time the first aircraft struck the north tower?
Those might be too challenging, so I'll give you an easier question. What was the first and only time intercept aircraft went after a plane flying over CONUS (not the pre-911 ADIZs) before 911? I'll bet you know it was the Payne Stewart Lear. Do you know the facts surrounding that? His Lear had its transponder on, so ATC could determine its location by its squawk. Even then, from call to NORAD to intercept of the pilotless Lear was how long? One hour and twenty-two minutes.
I don't think you "love how you avoid the issues and evidence". I'm not feeling the love. In just this post I'm laying out a direct confrontation, not an avoidance. Address it.
I am glad you brought up "how difficult" it was to locate and intercept those planes. You of course avoid the most incriminating evidence. Tell us why on May 8, 2011 for the first time in US history, the Vice President was placed "in charge of "all federal programs dealing with weapons of mass destruction consequence management within the Department of Defense including..."all training and planning to be seaminglessly integrated, harmonious and comprehensive."
What are the odds Chindit that then, on the very same day, the vice president oversaw multiple air force war games (at least five) that actually included NORAD? This has been documented extensively even in the mainstream press, so your "Alex Jones" name calling does not work here. I asked you that question before and you continue to avoid it. There was a live fly by drill called Vigilant Warrior going on. This drill included a commercial aircraft which amazingly similuated a similar highjack exercise. Although our executive repeatedly said they did not forsee the use of commercial aircraft as weapons, even USA today confirmed this in a 2004 article. There were additional airforce war games going on that very same day including Northern Vigilance which pulled fighters from the east coast up into Canada. There was also Northern Guardian and Northern Denial (funny name).
Now another important part that you avoid, these drills actually included false blips that were placed on the FAA screens. Amazing coincidence no? This promopted one of the FAA head to later announce that they suspected up to eleven highjackings that day. It also prompted more than one FAA memeber to ask is this a real highjacking or the exercise. This one of many reasons why General Arnold of NORAD didn't pull out of Vigiland Guardian until an hour hafter it was fully known that flight 11 was highjacked. Even the Kean comission report discussed the false blips including mistaking flight 11 as still up in the air after it had struck.
Now the FAA had the hardest job that day BY DESIGN but the Air Force finally confirmed that they reported to them as quickly and as competently as they could. This news was of course handed off to the Secret Service who has the real time techonology to see waht is going on an of course the authority to call the shots. ANd guess where that lead back to?
After all the chaos and "studies," there were four basic area of NORAD failure that day: failures to report, failures to scramble, failures to interept and failures to redeploy. NORAD did indeed have time to intercept even given its 8:30 / 8:40 notification. There has never been a rational explanation for failure to scramble jets from logical bases within easy range of their rational targets. Prior exercises indicated of course downtown manhattan , DC and the pentagon as likely targets. The first base of course was Otis around 8:52 while Andrews is what 10 miles from the Pentagon?
And this all leads us back to Dick in the bunker and that young lad repeatedly poking his head in, as Minetta testified, and telling dick ever nervously how close the planes wer to the pentagon and asking Dick "do the orders still stand?" If, by design, the intercept system and protocol are seamless and nearly automatic and because it was ever clear by then we knew we were under attack, ask yourself, why would that young lad need to ask Dick that question? More important, if the order was to shoot versus not to shoot, why would he need to ask it al all?
And no ALex Jones name calling, this isn't sixth grade, this is a corrupt country
Maybe some of this mess is what prompted US Senator Mark Dayton in 2204 to question the timeline of air defense repsponse. He pointed out the obvious fact that if the Kean Commissions final piece of "work" is correct, then the timeline repeatedly told by NORAD is completely wrong. Gen Meyers VP of the Joint Chiefs ORIGINALLY told the Senate that no fighter jets were scrambled until AFTER the Pentagon went down, this was a full hour and twenty inutes after the first flight was diverted from its path. THe standard protocol, protocol that was in place YEARS BOFORE 911 and you know this chindit, is nearly automatic and requires NO special order. Once a flight ceases to repsond, the FAA is to tonitify NORAD immediately and planes are to scramble within ten minutes. That's the NORMAL procedure.
i declare DJ the winner by a knockout.
he fought by queensberry rules and avoided the temptation to stomp on the head when his opponent went down.
well done old bean
Well, BigDuke6, if you think DJ won, you and he can go on to the next round in NYC. Go tell the NYFD that you and DJ know they were part of the conspiracy that slaughtered hundreds of their colleagues, since they were the ones on the telphone with Larry Silverman when the quote-mined "pull them" took place. I'm sure the surviving firefighters will follow the Marquis of Queensbury Rules to the letter in your bout. If need be, I'm sure Alex Jones, Webster Tarpley or GW would chip in for medical expenses, though if I may speak frankly, you would be well advised to have all of your affairs in order before accusing the firefighters of complicity.
don't speak a word about firefighters you a-hole, i have been one, and plenty call bs on this official fairy tale. who you playing for?
Playing for the truth, and arguing against absurdity.
Have you taken a poll of the NYFD to see how many buy your side? Have you even bothered to read the “pull them” quote in its full context? If you had, you would know it came from a telephone conversation between Larry Silverman and the NYFD, and the conversation was related to any ongoing rescue or firefighting efforts at WTC7. Some firefighters were willing to continue the battle. Others heard creaking in the structure and noticed its lean, and warned (at 1400 hours) that they expected it to tumble. Silverman did not want any more firefighters to be at risk, since the city had already lost too many that day, and since water pressure was virtually non-existent, little could be done anyway other than make sure no one was left in the building.
Those who champion the out of context “pull them” are implying that the NYFD was complicit in the supposed “controlled demolition”. If you can’t see that bullshit for what it is, that is your fault. Funny how you see the badguy in this as the one who takes exception to accusing the NYFD of complicity. Your priorities are skewed.
Wow ... two straw men in one sentence!! You've lifted your "game" to a new level!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WYdAJQV100
You're making an ass of yourself.
Was out for the night. Yes chindit quit lying. Pull it is a standard industry phrase. Any idiot who watches that video knows hes not referring to the firemen. And quit twisting our arguments into an accusation of nyfd complicity. Your true colors are starting to bleed
"Any idiot who watches that video knows hes not referring to the firemen"
Can never find an idiot when you need one. Have you read the entire transcript, not just the Alex Jones snippets? Seems clear to rational people that Silverman---in speaking with NYFD officials---is talking about getting the rescue crew out. You choose to believe otherwise.
No twisting of arguments. None. Your accusation is crystal clear. Your quote---the full version or the Alex Jones version---comes from a telephone conversation between Larry Silverman and NYFD officials. Thus, there can be no other possible explanation except that you and Jones and those who believe the "pull it" was an order to begin the controlled demolition are accusing the NYFD officials of complicity. You cannot hide from that charge.
Have you read the entire transcript of that telephone call or just the line that Alex Jones provided for you? Who was on the phone with Larry Silverman? NYFD officials. Thus you indict Silverman and the FD officials at the same time. No straw man necessary. Also, who told you that “pull them” or “pull it” is common jargon of the controlled demolition community for explosions? Alex Jones? Are you aware that sometimes buildings are taken down via attached wires and pulleys so as to guarantee the building falls away from potential trouble?
Out of context quotes are much more exciting for the Truthers, and have made a career for Alex Jones and ZH’s own George Washington, but they do not stand up under scrutiny. Since in your comment you suggested the Fire Chief might have been “in the know”, why not go confront him face to face? Do you have that courage of your convictions? Does George Washington? Alex Jones?
Chances are the members of the Fire Dept of New York City would have a different opinion about who here is making an ass of himself.
Davey, absolutely amazing take down. Pwned as the kids say. I've totally had it with anti-truth smug assholes and have a great deal of anger at them as is surely evidenced by my posts. Thanks for keeping cool and staying on target. +911
Yep, shill or coward or both. Total refusal to address evidence. Case closed.
Interesting that there were no skid marks on the ground. And then it was quickly covered with sand. Is that standard protocol for an airplane crash?
"Security camera" correction: you mean the ONLY five seconds of video the government allowed the public to see SEVEN YEARS LATER after pulling EVERY damn bit of camera footage in the area? That video? And let's see that's one witness, there were quite a few others who saw something different. In reality, in day to day criminal trials, one witness means very little when twenty witnesses see something else.
exloding computor monitors do not bring high rises down in their own footprint at free fall speed. Professionals do. If this were brought to a REAL court, or had a REAL investigation, experts would settle this issue immediately. Tower 7 would seal it shut. So would the BBC announcement 15 minutes early.
Now talk to me about NORAD?. How come they can get on a fancy pants golfer's ass in five minutes but are fashionably late to the worst attack on american soil? The five similar exercises Cheney had going on that day? The tower folks gasping "is this real or the exercise? The amazing puts on American Airlines from an invest outfit headed by ex- CIA......
Lucy, you have a lot of splaining to do
Geez, you are an idiot, and I mean that in the nicest possible way. By definition a whole lot of people have to be below average intelligence. I guess you are just playing your role.
The BBC announcement does it for you? Your buildings were brought down by “professionals”, who somehow decided to pre-release a body count? Did they have so little faith in journalists’ eyes that they needed to provide a scorecard? Well, maybe you are right, considering that on 910 one out of a million people would even know what a WTC7 was. News flash: Dewey Defeats Truman!
Regarding that “fancy pants golfer”, it was one hour and twenty-two minutes before NORAD caught up with Payne Stewart’s Lear. I suppose in your world five minutes and eighty-two minutes qualifies as a rounding error. Oh, and let’s not forget Stewart’s Lear had a working transponder, unlike the hijacked planes on 911.
Correction- in that video, you see a blur for 1 frame.
Al-Qaeda...?? What you don't know, is that AQ were marginal US assets. ..they were the US presence in the region.
Al-CIAqaeda
The CIA's Arab legion... Still going strong and promoting US state sponsored terrorism around the world...
nuthin to see here folks...move along..
Y'know, my old man's batshit crazy. Has been for decades. Paranoid as hell, always seeing 'incontrovertible proof of sinister conspiracy' in the most random, mundane events. Usually it's the Joooos, but every now & then the Illuminati and the Seven Sisters slip in, with occasional appearances by the centuries-old Medici, Fugger, and Rothschild "organizations".
And for decades now, I've been telling him he's full of shit.
But this.....this shit just *might* mean he's been right all along. OK, fine. Maybe the Dems, despite being desperate to destroy the GOP, won't reopen the 9-11 investigations - and you'll notice they didn't when they had undisputed control over both houses AND the presidency, they haven't ever even seriously tried, and they ain't gonna - for the same reason the GOP didn't look into how FDR let a jap fleet whose codes we'd been reading for months, and *was not* operating under radio silence (as the legend says they were) destroy an entire battle fleet all lined up like pretty maids all in a row. And then signed over Eastern Europe at Yalta to Stalin like a little bitch. Because doing so would destroy the country. I could see that. Maybe.
That (might) also explain why no US media outlet wants to talk about it, or will grant airtime to Edmonds.
But why wouldn't a *German* media outlet do it? Or Russian? Or French? Or our Chinese 'friends'? Or freakin' Al-Jazeera?? Those clowns jack off at night to thoughts of bringing Uncle Sam down a peg, no? Obvious answer: because *Some*body told 'em NOT to. Obvious question: so who's got that kind of juice? Maybe.....the guys who control all the money? Sorry, Pop. Guess maybe you were right all along.
Dude....none of em will do it b/c THEY ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM! Alliances and enemies are an illusion.....learn about the Hegelian Dialectical Process....you will then understand.
The ultimate goal of ALL elites (no matter what they say/don't say in public) is global government, or the New World Order.
"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years." - Mark Twain
Still works.
tell yer old man it ain't joooos!
it's the people who brought you 'divide and...'
To be fair Jews have been willing frontmen for the European bluebloods for centuries. When I say this I mean their elites have been willing to run the money changing scams that were forebidden of Christians for centuries. They became quite good at it, including getting out of dodge when the monarch sensing the anger of people trapped in debt would inevitably hide his own ill gotten debt gains and direct the peoples anger at his Jewish minions or more accurately the out of the loop common Jewish people who had little or nothing to do with it but made convenient scape goats.
I do believe that many quite powerful Jewish people are of course involved in this, but it's silly even stupid to think it's JUST or ultimately the Jews when it's far more clear that organizations out of England/Germany are the culprits. The Vatican still has juice as well. So really the international elites are indeed Jewish and Italian and English and German and French and American and so forth and so on. Rather than looking for the absolute pinnacle of the pyramid we ought to just look for willing conspirators get them and go as far up the chain as possible. Look for methodologies not ethnicities silly wabbits.
Bring the Gold,
you have indeed picked up the scent!
THIS DAWG WILL HUNT!
sick em, BTG!
woof,
jaunus
I agree with this perspective, and also agree that scapegoating people for their supposed "ethnicity" or "race" - disputed fictives - is part of a cultural mythos fed to people herded into nationstates with invisible, arbitrary boundaries they're told to "defend" as patriots.
the ones who claim trans-national allegiance, such as Zionists, and who do so in plain view with the support of their fellow herd-members, those get my attention.
Thank you. One rational post in the thread from Janus shows that he's at least on the right track...........
It's quite easy to coax fanatics into doing what you want them to do. All you need to do is plan and finance the deed for them, then assure them that a greater reward awaits them, like 72 heavenly virgins.
Given that, I believe that the hijackers were genuine ROPers. The question is, who was backing them?
(and wat about building 7? That one makes no sence.)
had to laugh - was reading your sentence as if you were commenting on "local" military, then you took a u-turn & made it into "trrrrrrsts" !
seriously, drop the "like 72 heavenly virgins" as a "reward" and substitute the bonding of your male peer group, a paycheck & a weapon to call your own, lots of spendy big-ass "toys" you can drive 'n' fly, and plenty of flag-waving cheerleaders in strategic places round the nation telling you you're doing "god's work". . .
is it really so different?
your last sentence impeaches your first four
wasnt that where the evidence on 3000 cases of insider trader was being stored?(yes)
Can you say Enron?
so, without further ado, this will land you in JAIL bitchez!:
Coffee Is For Closers
Does art reflect life, or does life reflect art? I’m sure most have heard this question posed at one time or another. For me there is little doubt that it was introduced in some bourgeois salon by some wealthy gadabout; and since it had a way of imbuing its owner with an air of depth and sagacity, the quip was duly adopted by all those who aspired to be appreciated for profundity – counterfeit though it may be. Soon enough, this question was setting off serious bouts of brooding in all quarters of society: illiterate housewives were assaulting their families with this queer question; mechanics, while scrubbing the grit from their brittle fingernails, were known to ask it of innocent strangers; children even, befuddling one another on the schoolyard with this intransigent enigma in lieu of rock throwing and hair pulling. Aside from posturing and assuming an affected air of cosmopolitan refinement this question hasn’t any real purpose; at least in so far as it’s unanswerable, self-negating and inane. Nevertheless, it is with this very question that I began to navigate my dilemma as dramaturge in a hypothetical production of David Mamet’s play Glengarry Glen Ross.
Mr. Mamet’s was foolish and naïve in assuming he could craft a stage drama as an accurate reflection of his experience; he was attempting to imitate life with art. Little could he suspect a mighty tempest was stirring, and that a wild-eyed band of hyperventilating Indians would soon be calling for his blood. Essentially, the play included some lines of dialog that were not flattering to Indians with respect to their interaction with real estate salesmen and their general temperament. Was there any evidence that Mr. Mamet bore the Indian community any malice? Did he intend to foment any sort of action against said community? Was the community and their idiosyncrasies a focus of the play or even an ancillary issue? Three times no. Overall, the play was a moving and thoughtful investigation of a cynical and hard-boiled pack of salesmen – warts and all, and especially warts.
After turning over the issue several times, I came to the clear and very definite conclusion that salesmen are the offended party if there is any offense to be found at all. And so I had to decide whether or not to scrub the production altogether; reckoning that these Indians may have a point, that the risk of hurting someone’s feelings is not worth it, that if anything offends anyone in any way it should be banished from the face of the earth. In fact, it seems more than reasonable that we should scour our libraries and museums for any image, word or inference that could possibly offend any group, or subgroup thereof, gather the unseemly materials in the public spaces and ignite the biggest bonfire of all time. Then, finally, the world will be at peace and everyone will be happy.
The logistics and effort involved in such a complex undertaking soon dissuaded this radical but perfectly effective course of action, and so I returned to mulling my sticky situation. The notion of offense is at the nub of this issue, and as dramaturge it is my responsibility to retain the integrity and honesty of the play while at the same time shielding a frail and wilting society from any semblance of offense. The only way through this minefield is to prohibit any who could possibly find offense in any portion of the dialog or the set itself.
Obviously I start by banning everyone who is Indian and all who could be suspected of it (don’t want to take any heedless chances). Then of course we post a sign advising salesmen (and women) that they shall be forcibly removed from the premises and punished with extreme prejudice if they hazard a step into the theater (for their own good). I also noticed some saucy language in reference to the elderly; and so geezers are likewise banned. There were a few less than positive remarks tossed about with respect to marriage, and just to be on the safe side I think we shall bar all those wearing a wedding ring. It goes without saying that children cannot enter; surely we can’t allow their pliant little minds to warp under the strain.
I’m starting to feel more comfortable with things. My ulcer is starting to cool off now that the specter of those shrieking Indians don’t stalk my every waking moment and terrorize the night. There is, however, something bothering me still. I cannot shake the thought that their efforts are counterproductive. It seems to me that the whole point is to prevent the perpetuation of the generalizations so cruelly quipped in the play, so why do the Indians insist on bringing attention to, and therefore highlighting, these unbearable stereotypes? I would say they’re masochists, but I’m not sure if that’s some sort of stereotype associated with Indians. Probably they’re bored; and as Soren Kierkegaard always said, “boredom is a root of all evil.”
Unfortunately I knocked my shin up against the coffee table of a greater dilemma still: profitability. Putting together a great show without offending a soul is all well and good, but you won’t last long in the dramaturge business if butts don’t find their way to the seats. We don’t have a union, and as a craft we are generally reviled by everyone in theater and the community at large, so it’s fair to say that ticket sales are an issue for dramaturges. And because the prospect of a full house dims with each additional group precluded, it’s incumbent that I think outside the box, and outside of the box that holds that box.
The word epiphany is wildly overused. You’ll hear people say they’ve had an epiphany about their plans for lunch or laundry soap. And so, bearing in mind the emphasis I place on the proper use of epiphany, it should be well understood that when I lay claim to an epiphany it’s the Real McCoy. ‘Why not cast the entire play with Indians,’ inquired my muse. But before I could answer she added, ‘and have them do the entire play in Hindi.’ “Muse,” I said, “what would I do without you!”
So it was with great enthusiasm that I placed an ad in the local Hindi newspaper, “Wanted: a wide assortment of Indians, who aren’t terribly sensitive, for an off-off-off-Broadway production of a play about Hindus, by Hindus and for Hindus. Please send photos and an overview of your acting experience to alltheworldsastageandwearebutactorsuponit@yahoo.com.” It wasn’t long before the CVs and photos started pouring in; there was a palpable excitement brewing among the Indians, and who could blame them.
The days were ticking off and The Big Day was hurtling at us. There was a buzz in the air. But there were difficulties. When word started to leak about my unorthodox casting decisions, I had to spend a great deal of time assuring the viewing public that they would receive a satisfactory performance of the play they were anxious to see. And it was always nettlesome overseeing a production that required the use of two interpreters: one could only speak Hindu and the other could only understand it. But, all in all, things were taking a cogent form – we were near ready.
And then, the wheels started to come off. First I was notified of a lawsuit filed against my production company and myself personally for discrimination in casting. And then a frightful schism erupted among the cast over the particular dialect of Hindi we were to use. Followed by the now famous taser incident (it would take too long to explain). Fortunately, I was able to hold it all together; like Atlas I shouldered the thing and saw it through till the end. But for a while I thought the production would never get off the ground.
At long last the Big Day was eminent. Rehearsals were flawless. Costume was immaculate. Set sublime. And, most of all there were no troublesome protesters darkening my door. All of this smooth sailing inspired me to an act of benevolence for my beloved Indian cast. I decided to throw them a celebratory banquet at the nicest place in town. I assembled them all together for the banquet; gave and received toasts, chatted it up with my pet preformers, and in general played the genial host. And then, without warning, an ill wind started to draft across the table. As every dish was brought to the table, my actors’ eyes bulged further and further in revulsion and astonished loathing. There, assembled on the table, were all of their dead relatives reincarnate. I don’t have to tell you that they beat it out of there in a wild and chaotic fury, like hens panicked at the predations of a ravenous fox. In spite of the fact that I ate more than I thought possible, it was a miserable night.
To say that I’ve learned a lot of lessons is to understate the case. But if there is any particular lesson that I’ll take from this debacle, it’s that you should never, ever try to make Indians happy: damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Moreover, when you’re too cautious about offense, you end up exacerbating the issue and spoiling everything of merit. If I had to do it all over again, I suppose I’d stick with the script as it’s written, damn the consequences, and make no apologies.
{this is exactly as turned it. i know, obviously a menace to society, janus is -- i can't believe i wasn't tasered a dozen or so times for this}
k
hahahahaahhaha
i heartily admit than when i write more than 10 lines on zh i've most likely cut and pasted it, just cos my brain is hurting.
unless its about gold...
so i think you should man up and admit that thats what u do or that you've thrown away your lithium and screw those goddam doctors....hahahaha
thanks for the laugh , its been good.
but back to the facts.
i'd like to know what people think of the mossad link - did they do 911?
i don't trust the big 'names', i trust people and at uni i always thought engineers were good folk, they drank a lot of beer and i think thats a cool thing to do.
that says to me u can trust 'em
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8wSquKIBog
I don't think any single group "did" 9-11 ... either within or outside the US. It was more complex than that and too many downstream actions followed from it. As a simple example, Afghanistan was invaded less than 4 weeks after 9-11 ... Washington couldn't even organise a freaking press conference in that short a period, of time, let alone an invasion involving a large part of the US miliary machine.
9-11 was a BIG operation marking a BIG milestone in the Luciferian timeline ... so expect all the Luciferian intelligence services to be involved (CIA, MI6, Mossad ... even the KGB and others). Also expect the steering groups of the main think tanks to be involved or, at least, in the 'know' (CNP, TC, CFR, Bilderberg, Heritage). Senior military, industrial and political heads are in all those TPTB steering groups.
911 was a BIG operation because peak oil is a BIG problem
Peak oil is bullshit, just like nearly everything else you'll hear from the establishment's media.
Oh yeah? Why are we drilling at 5,000 feet in the ocean if there is abiotic oil just BURSTING out of the ground ala Pennsylvannia in 1902? Even if there IS abiotic oil, I'm open to that, it sure as fuck isn't replensihing at the rate we are extracting.
Are you suggesting tar sands and deep water drilling is all part of a vast conspiracy to fake peak oil? That Oil companies are wasting 100's of billions just to put up a facade that we are running out of oil? Doesn't it make a tad more sense that finite resources are a logical reality on a finite planet?
Even if the planet is replenshing resources such as trees and fish to leave aside oil, we are VASTLY outstripping the resupply rate. The same is clearly true of oil hence the Trillion dollar wars over 6 months or so of oil.
Come on man, the desperation in the air and the reason for obvious ass power grabs of the last 10 years isn't that the elites have that much control, it's that they are LOSING CONTROL. This is what the elites realize, they can't use the carrot anymore to control us, they have to use the stick and what wakes them up at night is that the stick isn't 1/1000th as effective especially for those used to periodically getting a carrot.
again, people, bring the gold is 'spot' on!
peak oil is more than real.
peak oil + america = peak WAR!
so, really, america, make a conscious choice: is it 'moral' to crush the miralcle of humanity in order to sate its most depraved appetites? that is the deal you have made with the DEVIL! you have chosen to slaughter innocent brown-skins so you can mount another fuckin bobble-head doll on yer dash board (but it can be a replica of yer favorite nigger football star if it helps asuage the guilt). that is essentially the bargain. in order to accrue sufficent distractions we stalk the newest offering at wal mart, and then when the novelty fades, distract with yet more distractions...and then repeat the process if you hear one of those fucked up 'commie' lies about those BRAVE predator drone video gamers droppin a live en on top of a pakistani wedding! no, don't read voltairenet.org. those lying french intellectuals! bah! can't have that shit stormin on our fascist parade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b7ZzfjRzZuk
early dis mornin/
when you knocked upon my door/
...me and da devil/
was walkn side by side/
i'm gonna beat my woman/
till i get SATISFIED!!!!!,
janus
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Boyz, this stuff is really sinking in with me, i come from a long line of cannon fodder, they were mostly scots who joined the army as a way of 'seeing the world'....believe it or not.
they served themselves up for the same monied elite still around now.. janus?
i saw bill hicks talking about jfk and he pretended to be a typical guy realising that it was all bullshit.
he ran around the stage screaming 'They're lying to us!!!'
thats how i feel.
funny you mention the scots:
i did six months in kuwait with a scottish division of sas (operation southern watch; pre 9/11, bitchez...when you could roam bizarres late into the night; get into local 'color'; acquaint yourself with the real arab people (and, frankly, they're the world's best conversationalists...arabs and persians are HIGHLY cultured, and have done the hard reading...anyway, i digress -- it's a world that is no more. i miss it so. well, i certainly recognize how much better it could be beyond what it was; but 9/11 has really ruined what was at least a tolerable world) and, i can say without qualification that the scots are the worlds toughest all around fighters. brits are second. french are third. i never had any dealings with IDF of any variety; so can't speak to that.
anyway, the fucking bastards had their own distillery on their goddam base. we were 'respecting' local customs. fuck that! i say prohibition is the first 'local' custom to be abolished worldwide.
but, for now, let's leave the champagne corked -- we have work to do. we'll celebrate when the victory is sure!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2bxix3vFYM&feature=related
let's drink to the salt of the earth/
raise your glass to the good hearted people/
say a prayer for the common foot soldier/
say a prayer for his wife and his children,
Janus
I was in the military cadets, initially because my folks were so poor I went on camps to get a summer holiday, then later I stayed to shoot competitively.
it was tempting to join , but I realized I would have been a mediocre soldier.
And the cause.... Crap.
Smeddy butler always springs to mind in these situations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
Did it fuck you up man?
i do possess four expert marksman ribbons (lowest percent ever scored in four years was 96% -- rednecks can shoot straight if nuthin else)
actually, to tell the truth, i've either shit canned every ribbon and whatnot (i have an autistic cousin who loves that stuff; so i gave a bunch of it to him)...my sons wanted some of it; but they will NEVER touch that shit -- EVER. unfortunatly, my eldest is very much like his old man. he's driven. up at 445 doing push ups and chin ups and crunches every single morning. he's determined to take regionals in wrestling this year -- and he just may.
i'm cool.
thanks.
But, well, if you have "expert marksman" "Ribbons" then ... well, u nay shoota' in the real world.
Don't cha' know.
"janus really isn't a shoota', he just bragz about his false ribbonz on a stupid blog."
- Ned
ned is wise.
no, janus was not a 'trigger man'...but he was 'expert' nonethelesss.
and, yes, neddie, ALL ribbons are false -- every last mutha fuckin one of them. just kindlin for alabam bon fires!
da bonfire of da vanities.
bless ya,
pig pig pig hooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
it doesn't work like that.
there are no good/guy bad/guy delineations.
it is a nebulous world of grey.
you do not know what you're doing; what you're part of -- it's not nations.
'it' is almost impossible to explain; and that is the whole genius of it.
when you people say the 'bushes' do you have any idea that these 'bushes' are not anything but step-and-fetchers?
they are not the old line; they are a proxy.
this money is the same money that sold opium to china.
this is the same money that went brezerk when sterling started slippin east too fast (sound familiar?)
the 'mossad' like 'delta' or whatever is just a pool.
there are not fixed allegencies
these people pay mortgages and raise families.
so when you say bush, or israel or mossad or sas or whatever, it's not some sort of homogenous thing that is set and ready to go.
i was part of plan columbia -- i can admit that. i still don't know what i was doing.
THAT's the point. and i know it doesn't make much sense....but do you see, they want you looking here, there, -- always scapegoating.
this is a worldwide plague. it doesn't end or begin anywhere.
i've never cut nor pasted anything.
i confess i've been blessed with a gift.
that 'paper' came out just as you see it -- i rarely ever edit a thing.
i'm all extemporaneous -- for better or worse; hopefully the former much more than the latter.
but, really, my friend, it's just a store of images and ideas i've stolen from the ancient sages.
Jesus is the answer.
Romans Chapter 8.
I like many of your posts janus, particularly when you challenge accepted "norms" in a sort of self-righteous fury - whether it's creative writing or personal truth doesn't matter all that much, as it's the internets & it's up to each individual to sort what might be true from what is obvious disinfo. . .
but that ^ is a dead end for inquiry.