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How the Collapse Will Play Out and How to Play For It

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Thu, 09/29/2011 - 00:21 | 1720859 TBTF
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I think you forgot the part about mentioning how it plays out...

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 23:35 | 1720772 YesWeKahn
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REally hope that you become bullish one day, we might miss another bull market.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 00:29 | 1720867 RMolineaux
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I wonder if Mr. Summers does not feel a little uncomfortable in suggesting how folks can profit in a situation where Wall Street is blocked by a people jam, no reporting comes out of the exchanges, food deliveries are suspended and looting and riots have begun.  I hope some of his vulture friends end up as dumpster divers.



Wed, 09/28/2011 - 23:32 | 1720763 gwar5
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Graham Summers

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Dood, why don't you throw us a bone once in a while and tell us what one of your strategies is?  That way we know it's worthwhile before we give up our personal information. You got anything different from Schiff, Rogers, Farber, et al?  

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 22:01 | 1720580 mayhem_korner
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How the Collapse Will Play Out and How to Play For It

Two points here.  One, no one "knows" how the collapse will play out.  What we have conviction about is that the circumstances are irrevocably in place for massive change in the financial systems to which many have become accustomed and reliant.

Moreover, the notion of a singular collapse is misplaced.  For those in MENA, The Collapse has already happened to them.  In a slow-moving contagion, people are overtaken in lots - some small, some mass.  Kind of like influenza - it migrates and metastacizes, but its presences seems irrelevant until it grips one personally. 

And so "the Collapse" for someone deeply indebted will be different and occur at a different time than a renter; in the same way an urban dweller reliant on public services will be affected differently than a live-off-the-land ruralite.

Bottom line: apart from the worn-out, sensationalized tag line, the notion of a common plight for all is misplaced.  Insights are circumstance-specific; these broad-brush proclamations sorta just take up space.

My two cents...

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 01:19 | 1720927 Shell Game
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Thank you, it needed to be said.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 23:06 | 1720712 tchild2
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Mayhem_Korner, very succinct and insightful comments and observations.  Indeed, the collapse will not be some sort of homogeneous event shared by all with the same outcome and experiences.



Wed, 09/28/2011 - 21:24 | 1720530 Ned Zeppelin
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Who is the fake Tyler on this thread - nasty stuff, most unbecoming of our Heroic One.  Methinks someone has invaded the Castle ZH and taken over the computers! 

Time to delete the phony Tyler. 

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 21:19 | 1720522 Ned Zeppelin
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The Germans will approve this bastard child of TARP, over strenuous public objections, just as it was passed on the second try here in the US. The banksters are fully in control.  Watch the global equities rise up to 5% on the news. But it will be no different in terms of outcome. The bad debt sits and festers, plastered over with more debt, until finally it will burst forth as a stinking septic mess.  

But another year's bonuses will have been paid, so who gives a flying fuck, right? 

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 01:01 | 1720912 sgorem
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correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the German Constitution forbids the government from "tarping" out "any other sovereign country". or some similar facsimile, without a vote of the citizens to change said constitution............

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 20:30 | 1720384 Buck Johnson
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They are trying to revive a corpse, and it's just not possible.  When this start to unwind it will come hard an fast and literally be uncontrollable.  He is correct, the banks are interconnected in their debt and assets.  So if one has a bad day from Greece defaulting, by it trying to sell off it's debt or getting it's money from another country will start a chain reaction.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 23:25 | 1720748 J U D G E M E N T
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Which one is you?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 20:24 | 1720362 moondog
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MY EYES!!!! AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!! Thanks TD, now I'll have the picture of that naked fat old guy burned in my memory. Damnit, curiosity killed the cat allright....

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 20:30 | 1720383 Blano
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That's not TD......look at the name.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 21:08 | 1720494 Long-John-Silver
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It's an IMP. I'm sort of shocked this troll has not been kicked off yet.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 21:26 | 1720534 jomama
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ppl don't get banned from ZH.  one of the reasons that makes it so great here.

don't worry - the novelty will wear off for him soon enough.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 20:05 | 1720311 LookingWithAmazement
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Finally, collapse. It's about time. Oh no, wait. Germany on Thursday will say JA to a new bailout of Greece. German parliament will agree with the July 21 package, as the 8th eurocountry. No Armageddon. Then the rest will follow suit, just like "eurosceptic" Finland recently did, including expanded powers of the EFSF. No Armageddon. Beginning of October, the "Troika" will agree with the 8 billion tranche out of package one. After all, otherwise Armageddon breaks loose. No Armageddon. In December, this whole circus will repeat itself. No Armageddon. Same goes for 2012. No Armageddon. Merry Christmas and a happy 2012. Boring world we live in.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 01:24 | 1720931 Dugald
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Dont be down hearted......you could get a shiny new war for Christmas

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 04:04 | 1721060 LookingWithAmazement
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Who's gonna fight who?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 19:52 | 1720263 PulauHantu29
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How Doomed is our economy?


Stock Market...plunging...

Savings....zero interest...

Deflation....picking up momentum...


Unless Ben wakes up we will sink into a Deep Long Depression....

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 19:33 | 1720230 Rainman
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Relax.......GM is hiking wages and giving out signing bonuses. Opening new plants. As GM goes, so goes the country.


Wed, 09/28/2011 - 19:32 | 1720227 3rivers
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We will need more Supercommitee's.  One Supercommitee is not enough.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 19:31 | 1720226 Salah
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To the earlier post who quoted the "super-elite"

Who are the "super-elite"?...please fucking tell us...better yet,  ZH sponsors a contest to identify the 'super-elite' ...gotta be careful.  Remember, Larry Flynt got shot right after he offered $5 million for evidence of the JFK assassination plot.  


Wed, 09/28/2011 - 19:26 | 1720212 snakehead
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World coming to an end! Find out how to survive anyway by signing up for my FREE ad that scares you into paying for my premium service where the REAL info is.  F'ing spammer.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 20:33 | 1720396 bid the soldier...
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Do you take cash?


Wed, 09/28/2011 - 19:01 | 1720143 Reese Bobby
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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 18:22 | 1720033 Buggy
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Can we please just stop talking about Greece?  Every single day is the day Greece is going to default, the world is going to implode, and buy gold, and blah blah blah.  Greece is a side show.  Timmy and Benny are a side show.  The real show is restricted to the super elite.  And no, the super elite are not Warren Buffet and the like. 


Wed, 09/28/2011 - 18:20 | 1720024 loub215
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How much of the debt is leveraged? If you loose $1, does that wipe out the "equity" of $10? $20? How do you get $600 trillion without MASSIVE leverage, and hence exposure...


Wed, 09/28/2011 - 18:16 | 1720014 SparkySC
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How about outlawing Derivatives and Synthetic financial instruments?

Well I guess bankers wouldn't get GIGANTIC BONUSES then would they?


They've got so much leverage, it's like getting a retirement bonus for these clowns if they get so much as a Cherry on a Slot machine.


It's insanity. LET IT ALL FOLD UP!


I'll take my chances.

Thu, 09/29/2011 - 00:50 | 1720900 RockyRacoon
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My how times have changed...   I advocated a complete collapse 2 years ago and got junked to oblivion.   Now?  Not so much.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 18:09 | 1719989 swissaustrian
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Bureau of International Settlements

Mhmmm, the number is correct, but the institution...


Germany has said “NEIN” regarding further bailouts for Greece

In fact, the German parliament is going to say "JA" tommorow.



Wed, 09/28/2011 - 17:43 | 1719894 TyIer Durden
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The USA is fine.... no worries......... just keep buying Treasuries.... it will all work out.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 22:43 | 1720666 Freddie
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LOL! The Tyler's getting junked because no one got the sarcasm or Obot/Fed/SEC/JPM/Goldman Sack employees are taking a break surfing porn and they get sarcasm.  

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 18:01 | 1719961 PY-129-20
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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 17:54 | 1719937 Panafrican Funk...
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Would probably appreciate his posting more if he actually, you know, made a call on something, or suggested a particular investment idea, rather than link to some offsite marketing materials.  In fact, I might actually be more interested in clicking on that link, if he did this.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 18:10 | 1719995 TyIer Durden
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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 18:32 | 1720062 Fukushima Sam
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Lol at the avatar!  Troll account of the year!

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 20:08 | 1720318 TyIer Durden
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Wed, 09/28/2011 - 17:11 | 1719784 brokesville
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mmm i love the smell of burnt banker in the morning, smells like victory

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 20:13 | 1720334 DeeDeeTwo
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Lick your balls for FREE REPORTS, baby.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 17:08 | 1719772 virgilcaine
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I like Max and Stacy..cool folks.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 17:44 | 1719900 TyIer Durden
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They're both socialists.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 18:16 | 1720015 achmachat
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how in f$%&'s name did you get your account approved?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 21:44 | 1720563 Uncle Remus
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TyIer - 4 weeks and counting...

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 20:12 | 1720325 TyIer Durden
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"Hey, you created me. I didn't create some loser alter-ego to make myself feel better. Take some responsibility!" - Tyler Durden

I was nominated for a fucking OSCAR for this shit.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 20:45 | 1720419 DeadFred
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How did his crazy twin get out? I thought he was committed for life after that last incident?

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 18:29 | 1720054 I think I need ...
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looks like the fed has come to zero hedge....they are watching us

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 17:07 | 1719767 meatball
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I don't care how and what, I'd love to see a worldwide collapse.

Wed, 09/28/2011 - 16:55 | 1719664 virgilcaine
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Phoenix Capital geting mentioned on Max Keisers ON THE EDGE.. l  Maybe there.s something to it.


How did Maxs campaign to buy silver/destroy JPM plan workout? lol  They both are sinkin together.

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