It’s Official: Wall Street Firms May Legally Steal From Their Customers

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Fri, 11/11/2011 - 15:41 | 1870673 johnjb32
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The brazenness with which thefts are occurring now signals an all out looting frenzy shortly with the financiers grabbing everything they can without regard for either the law or morality. As I said in August and September, anyone playing in the markets now is an absolute fool, begging only for the reprieve of Darwinian deselection. -- Michael C. Ruppert

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:16 | 1869954 Forgiven
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Most Americans still don’t get it!

America has ALREADY been overthrown!

This country has been invaded and taken over by international bankers, who have corrupted every aspect of our government.

The US Federal Government is NO LONGER an American gov’t. It is an Enemy Force Of Occupation that has camouflaged its overthrow of the US Gov’t.

Their design was simple: subvert, subjugate, extract wealth, exterminate.

Essentially this is the largest POW Camp in the world and we are all prisoners and potential disrupters, hence the Dep’t Of Homeland Security (which is actually Homeland Gestapo) has labeled Americans who still think and act like this is the USA and “resist” the occupation as…….. “terrorists.”

Since we ARE technically POW’s, then the Law Of War and the Geneva Convention should apply, and the principles for ALL POW’S to observe is:

It is the Duty of all POW’s to RESIST our captors by every means possible.

To disrupt their designs and actions by any and all means.

To REFUSE to cooperate in any way.  (ie Your own taxes are used against you, yet you still pay them.  Sit aside and Witness the power of not buying frivolous shit).

To Refuse any/all special treatment.

To provide NO information expect name, rank, serial number (SS #)

To create as much difficulty as possible to cause the greatest use of personnel and assets
so as to reduce their capacity to wage warfare elsewhere on us.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:14 | 1869939 Mary Wilbur
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The missing $600million went to money heaven

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:54 | 1869644 NEOSERF
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Vigilante justice bitchez!

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:20 | 1869557 Todd Horlbeck
Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:03 | 1869510 Downtoolong
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Looks like it’s time to rekindle some of those old AIG advertising slogans, with appropriate contemporary revisions of course:

“We Know Money” becomes “We NO Money”

“It’s Your Money” becomes “Your Money Is Now Our Money Honey”.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:01 | 1869666 Stuck on Zero
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Wheeeeeeee  no money!

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:45 | 1869471 zilverreiger
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What does this mean for a "normal" Interactive brokers margin account?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:01 | 1869395 michigan independant
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cut em down

there time will come. Move your assets

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 20:16 | 1871298 srelf
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Can I be on your (God's) side, please?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:36 | 1869365 TruthHunter
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So it appears that CFTC

now stands for Customer? Fuck The Customer

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 06:57 | 1869266 DollarDive
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Great Article - 



Fri, 11/11/2011 - 06:22 | 1869257 tliberty
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Good article. I'd like to point out that reform is not possible. Sure, the State can create new laws and such, but at the end of the day this power structure creates incentives for beasts such as Wall Street to emerge.It won't go anywhere as long as a the State exists.

I once had a friend say that Wall Street owned the State. I agreed, with the caveat that the State made Wall Street possible in the first place.


Fri, 11/11/2011 - 06:20 | 1869256 tliberty
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Good article. I'd like to point out that reform is not possible. Sure, the State can create new laws and such, but at the end of the day this power structure creates incentives for beasts such as Wall Street to emerge.It won't go anywhere as long as a the State exists.

I once had a friend say that Wall Street owned the State. I agreed, with the caveat that the State made Wall Street possible in the first place.


Fri, 11/11/2011 - 05:21 | 1869238 Cult of Criminality
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Glad it is now official they (criminal banking cartels) have been stealing since civilization started.Wall street just extends their reach.

Love the Talking heads. Might as well play Psycho Killer



Fri, 11/11/2011 - 02:56 | 1869165 Paul Bogdanich
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Stealing without fear of retribution became the law of the land January 20th 2009.  The political cover man for the bank heist was elected President and his Uncle Tom attorney general will make absolutely sure that the statute of limitations on the crimes expires before there are any meaningfull prosecutions.  Unless of course you are not white or a member of a protected ethnic minority.  They cause huge problems because after them the only way to restore the law is to break it and that always ends badly for everyone.  Especially for them but for everyone.  I hate them.  Their inflexable obstinancy is deserving of punishment.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 12:18 | 1869964 Mary Wilbur
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@Paul Bogdananich  Eventually there will be a major income tax strike. That might get there attention.


Fri, 11/11/2011 - 03:37 | 1869190 TheMerryPrankster
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actually the previous regime looted the treasury on their way out the door, remember TARP? The Troubled Asset Repurchase Program, that never repurchased anything but just gave away literally trillions of dollars courtesy of the treasury and ex goldman ceo Hank Paulson. He worked for bush the guy that did 2 wars off the books so that all the debt accrued for 8 years off budget.

I'm no supporter of the current regime by any means, the skinny black guy doing the bad sammy Davis impersonation is a corporate whore of the 1st degree, but give blame where it is due, so far Bush is making Obama look like a piker, then again there wasn't that much left to steal when Obama took office, so he was starting with a handicap. i'm sure if the corporations see fit to give him 4 more years he will do his best to steal as much for them as Bush did.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:44 | 1869083 jack stephan
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It's official: Hollywood Babylon

The word of the day for me is liquidate, I trust me........better to make fast nickles than slow dimes or an empty promise of those mysterious dimes.  The taxes will be higher later anyway.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:09 | 1869034 the grateful un...
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you all know how the rule of pooled assets works, since the change to end certification of stock transactions back in the 90's? why are you all surprised about this?

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:55 | 1869005 stainlesssteelrat
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And Nero fiddled as Rome burned...

Replace Nero with any number of persons and here we are...

Very much enjoyed the Talking Heads, lots of truth in that reference.

“Things fall apart, it's scientific.” 
David Byrne

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:05 | 1869031 TruthInSunshine
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The first major event giving Wall Street firms the ability to steal from their clients was the use of arbitration and forced mediation clauses, in the classic adhesion contract sense, which took away any right to a jury trial in a civil court, no matter how aggrieved or abused a client may have been.

To add insult to injury, the arbitration and mediation panels, established intra-industry, were and are heavily stacked with pro-Wall Street scumbags who actually are current or ex-employees of finance.

Be careful when making deals with the devil.

Of course, had it not been for such arbitration and binding mediation clauses, supplanting the right to a civil jury trial for tort and economic damages, many of the worst, habitual offenders on Wall Street would have been broken up long ago, as jury after jury (rightfully) heaped financial punishment on them in massive doses, in order to compensate genuine victims of their genuine criminality.

Attorneys, with all their baggage and warts, are still necessary, and jury trials even more so, because of precisely these types of situations.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:24 | 1868939 Jim in MN
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It means that customers are bearing hidden counterparty risks on assets to which they thought they had a clear title, such as Treasuries, and foreign currencies, and warehouse receipts for precious metals.  

Read this, then re-read it and then read it a few more times.

Get anything you might want to keep the hell away from NY and DC!!!

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:18 | 1869433 Cheyenne
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The bold/ital part is true. As a lawyer, I've seen first-hand clients (not mine) go to their law firms with warehouse receipts for silver with MF Global, which in turn takes the position that the silver is unsegregated and part of the general assets of MFG.

Three guesses as to who's on the creditor committee. Hint: COMEX added this firm to its (short) list of silver warehouses in record time earlier this year.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:59 | 1868876 GMadScientist
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I blame that turtle-lookin' motherfucker, Phil Gramm and Bubba Clinton.


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:33 | 1868807 Shizzmoney
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Reminds me of Jim Calhoun was asked by a reporter at a news conference (about his program getting suspended for recruiting violations) about his high salary ($12mil) when CT was on verge of being broke and making cuts.

Before the reporter could even ask the question we know he wanted to ask, Jim fired on the offensive:

"Naut a dime back."

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:39 | 1868623 ??
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Meanwhile happy days are here again according to this piece of work from Bloomberg (starts about 10 seconds into the vid) - vomit pail not included

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:37 | 1868618 PulauHantu29
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"Why Steal less, when you can Steal more."


The Wall Street Credo


Fri, 11/11/2011 - 03:43 | 1869193 TheMerryPrankster
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StealMore, I think that was the original name for the Maidenlane pool of mortgage backed securities that were so stinky the Fed bought them and buried them next to Jimmy Hoffa.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:36 | 1868617 mendigo
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Somehow the money will be recovered because if those losses remain TPTB will be forced to make inconvenient changes. who would leave their money with those dirtbags now that their nature has been revealed.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:31 | 1868607 jimmyjames
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Did MF do anything different with clients funds than what all the TBTF banks are doing with taxpayers bailout money?

Speculating in the Commodity markets and driving prices higher-leveraging prices against the taxpayers with their own tax dollars and when they win-taxpayers get none-but if they lose (which the will eventually) taxpayers will bail them out again-

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:15 | 1868589 fizz
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Everybody better watch out for Penson to go next.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 15:07 | 1870588 Cthonic
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Thanks for the heads up.  At the rate I'm closing brokerage accounts, I'll need to find a new day job soon.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 01:06 | 1869028 The Fonz...befo...
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Penson is scum....

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 22:13 | 1868583 blunderdog
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Well one thing I've known for years: if you're smoking crack with some guys, and you give them some money to go somewhere and buy more crack, there's always a chance you won't get back either.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 11:27 | 1869765 RichardENixon
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I have found that the same holds true for Mad Dog fortified wine.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:45 | 1868519 MrBinkeyWhat
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Hey WB7, who claims art is not dangerous? "We got no Disco."

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:48 | 1868527 Freddie
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Hope & Change.  Corzine is Obama's boy.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:38 | 1868507 Oswald Spengler
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Tungsten bitchez!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:28 | 1868485 I_Am_
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Hey! If you are a laundryman and have a future delivery date for that tuxedo then who will catch you if you rent it out to others in the meanwhile.......... and if it does get damaged, there is always a limiting clause....... simple eh!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:25 | 1868477 business as stusual
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"An interesting game, the only way to win, is not to play"


Fri, 11/11/2011 - 09:50 | 1869474 dwdollar
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I'll say it again... I don't understand how anyone can have faith in the system at this point. When you're dealing with criminals and their Ponzi games you're going to get burnt sooner or later. It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN.

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 00:49 | 1868993 OldTrooper
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No shit!  That's why I can hold, shoot or grow beans on my investments.

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:22 | 1868470 DeadFred
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How is this any different from SOP?

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:22 | 1868469 JohnG
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"Clearing members must calculate segregation and secured requirements and ensure compliance with capital requirements on a daily basis.

CME Clearing monitors intra-day price movements and trading activity throughout the trading session. To assess the impact of these price changes on clearing members, intra-day mark-to market calculations are performed on clearing member positions and reviewed by CME Clearing throughout the day and overnight. Additionally, CME Clearing monitors its clearing member firms’ settlement variation and performance bond activities at non–CME cleared exchanges and clearing organizations daily. The risk management team may contact the exchanges or clearing organizations to follow up on this activity."


Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:59 | 1868554 max2205
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I am pretty sure that futures houses will only be playing with their own money because i sure as hell wouldnt use them. Duh!

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 23:05 | 1868712 JohnG
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While I do like just buying metal and storing it, and I advocate this, there is no way to avoid a clearing broker if one chooses to venture into futures.  Not possible.

I manage money.  Customers wish to lever up.  Can't do it any other way.

I advise against it....customer is always right (even if they are wrong.)

It's just business, I guess.


I am currently burned quite bad (very) fom the MF mess.  It doesn't look like I'll get more than 75% of my (or my clients more importantly) collateral, IF ANY, returned.  Positions were tranfererred seamlessly.  No problem more than a few phone calls.  I did have to post collateral on those positions.  That hurt.  Bad.

Collateral loss will put me out of business.  After that, I'm done.  Rug pulled out.  Hammer, meet head.  Stinks, that's for sure.  I suppose that's the way it is.  It's up the the lawyers at this point.

We'll see what shakes out over the next few months, but I do not expect a good outcome.

Either way, I am out of this.  Call it tuition, whatever....  I'll be winding down and just get out.  Plenty of kids out ther looking for punishment.  Too tired of navigating the mess.  Ready for a rocking chair. I'm a tough old bastard, and used to stress.  It's the nature of the "game."  Even my favorite dog is feeling it (through me of course), and that is a sign.

It's time, and I've had enough.  Put me out to "pasture" as it were.

Good luck to you and yours.  And just buy the metal, please.  You'll be much happier.


Fri, 11/11/2011 - 08:53 | 1869392 weinerdog43
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Sorry John G.  This sort of crap drives out the honest players. 

On Jesse's blog, he mentioned that he used to be a trader as well, but gave up when he saw the corruption.  I'd sure like to keep my 401k and pension someday, but I'm afraid the crooks have stolen it all.  Except for all the money I've put aside that I can put my hands on right this minute, is probably gone.  I just can't bring myself to cash out of the 401k. 

Fri, 11/11/2011 - 10:21 | 1869562 Axenolith
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Borrow 50% (usually the max allowable) of it out and put it in something secure.  The interest is paid to your acct, is around 3.5-4.5% and you have 50% that can't be accessed by the evil doers...

Thu, 11/10/2011 - 21:27 | 1868479 JohnG
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There is much behind this.  The "rule" can be construed variously, yet in general it is an ambiguos tort.  Contract written "unclearly" are generally decided against the writer of said contract.

Yeah...lot's of ingeneral there.

This is the basis for which CMEG will be sued under.  It's up to the courts to decide.

This will certainly be a very long, expensive process.



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