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Less than One-Fifth of All Americans Favor Military or Covert Action Against Iran … Less than Half of Israelis Want to Attack
Preface: Roubini says that attacking Iran would lead to global recession. The IMF says that Iran cutting off oil supplies could raise crude prices 30%. War with Iran would kill the American economy. and see this and this).
So yes, this is a newsworthy economic and financial story.
THE AMERICAN AND ISRAELI BEAT THE WAR DRUMS … BUT THE PEOPLE WANT PEACE
The American and Israeli Beat the War Drums ... But the People Want Peace
While the same neoconservatives who pushed the Iraq war are now loudly beating the drums of war against Iran, neither the American or Israeli people want war.
A new United Technologies/National Journal “Congressional Connection Poll,” finds that only 13% Americans think the U.S. should “take covert action against Iran such as sabotage and assassination of scientists working on their nuclear program”.
Only 17% support “tak[ing] military action against Iran, including bombing weapons facilities inside the country.”
And most Israelis are against war with Iran as well.
As University of Maryland professor of government, and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, Shibley Telhami and director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes, Steven Kull, note in the New York Times:
Despite all the talk of an “existential threat,” less than half of Israelis support a strike on Iran. According to our November poll (.pdf), carried out in cooperation with the Dahaf Institute in Israel, only 43 percent of Israeli Jews support a military strike on Iran — even though 90 percent of them think that Iran will eventually acquire nuclear weapons.
Most important, when asked whether it would be better for both Israel and Iran to have the bomb, or for neither to have it, 65 percent of Israeli Jews said neither. And a remarkable 64 percent favored the idea of a nuclear-free zone, even when it was explained that this would mean Israel giving up its nuclear weapons.
The Israeli public also seems willing to move away from a secretive nuclear policy toward greater openness about Israel’s nuclear facilities. Sixty percent of respondents favored “a system of full international inspections” of all nuclear facilities, including Israel’s and Iran’s, as a step toward regional disarmament.
Given that the elites who profit from war will do their best to try to pretend we must attack Iran to protect ourselves, we must all be wary of a false flag attack against Iran. Indeed, it almost seems as if some have already hinted in that direction.
Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
- Nazi leader Hermann Goering
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might be alittle off topic, but relative?was going through the ole history books concerning religious fanatics, and zealots [???] --- guess what? the greatest mass murderers in two millennium were narrowed down to four [my criteria being 15 million minimum] individuals:
#1) Genghis Khan ~ 30-40ml ppl *[long time ago]*
#2) Mao Zedong ~ 40ml ppl [20th century]
#3) Adolf Hitler ~ 15-30ml ppl [20th century]
#4) Joseph Stalin ~ 20ml ppl [20th century]
Now the "Reveal" ___ All "FOUR" were "ATHEIST"!
thanks gw
The Catholic church didn't even get a ranking mention for it's thousand year rape of heathens and pagans in Europe? The statistics seem a little skewed.
Not to mention the new world...
Indeed. Just to mention one aspect of that, the homicidal history and extreme ethnic arrogance of the German Teutonic Order in Prussia, Poland and Lithuania in the 13th through 16th centuries (as part of which they totally exterminated the original, TRUE Prussian people) ranks right up there with the worst rampages of murder and wanton destruction ever inflicted by the Mongols, and was an uncanny precursor to the Nazi's dreams of racial purity and their use of genocide to clear the way for lebensraum for the ubermenschen.
Just a little off topic, just a little.
Gengis Khan an atheist? Laughable.
Is there any body count for US citizenism by the way?
No, Genghis Khan was no atheist --- unlike the godless, immoral, unprincipled, sociopathic Chinese ruling oligarchy today, which only embody every greedy and vile aspect of Chinese citizenism.
In the rape of Tibet, and the destruction of the natural environment of China, we see the inherent nature of the Chinese citizen in action, as manifested by Chinese citizenism.
The death toll of Chinese citizenism is uncountable --- which is perhaps why Chinese citizens breed like rabbits, as only then can they maintain their numbers in the face of their self-destructive Chinese citizenism nature.
Roubini is stupid if he thinks that an attack on Iran will cause a world recession. Half the world already IS iin recession and most of those that are not in recession have a standard of living that is way behind.
What war would do is provide a diversion to what is now going on, provide Obama with a feather in his cap for the lections and feather the nest of the industrial complex.
Oh yes, and it would possibly make the rest of us have a Greek or Spanish style depression without the climate to help us.
it doesn't matter what peons want or don't want.
Smedley Butler had it right.
this whole war drum beating will end when the drummers run out of money. Hopefully not long, as reserve fiat is not money, that is what 2012/2013 will teach the world. Unless the spider's web and PMI is the new age religion to which I am agnositc. And it is contagious to fossil fuel science making it go abiotic.
"THE AMERICAN AND ISRAELI BEAT THE WAR DRUMS … BUT THE PEOPLE WANT PEACE"
Since when do the people have a say in anything?
It's obvious that banks and multinationals reign and are hell bent on destroying everything - since their owners are sad bitter old men who have NOTHING to lose!
Oh wait... we know where they live...
You better watch out for those limo drivers, delivery- and repair men, cooks, servants, cleaning ladies and pool boys. You are not safe anywhere bitter old men... The REAL Anonymous are already in your house...
Exactly, and another top notch blog post, GW!!!!
Like Geo. W. Bush fabricated the so-called Iraqi WMD intel, Barack Obama has also manipulated the intel, this time the Atomic Energy Assessment Report on Iran's nuclear capabilities.
And the DNI, Gen. Clapper, who just happened to be a member of Bush's "WMD intel fabrication team" (so why does Obama only appoint neocons, anyway????), Hillary Clinton appointed former Bush inner circle guy, Marc Grossman, whom Bush had appointed as number three guy at State, and was the guy who originally outed Valerie Plame Wilson as a CIA professional, thus shutting down the CIA's WMD counter-proliferations operation, Brewster Jennings & Associates, which also ended their investigation into stolen and sold nuclear secrets --- which would have led to Marc Grossman and other Bush appointees (and a number of dems, as well).
They will continue to kill innocent people for fun and profit as long as the American people, and the Israeli people, allow them to.....
Let’s get serious. Public opinion no longer matters. We are in a budding dictatorship. The upcoming Iranian war/slaughter has the potential to advance the criminally insane globalist agenda in so many ways. First they can mask the Great Culling now underway by claiming the sterilizing and cancer causing radioactivity (which is already being unleashed on us) is from The Terrorists, then clamp down harder with their police state The plan as I understand will be to cut off the ME oil, crash the US economy, then start raping us with triple priced oil out of Alaska. Oh yes, it’s been there all along in far greater amounts than exists in the ME. The resources that belong to We the People were hijacked long ago. It’s all like that. The government prints the money, hands it over to a bunch of thieving parasites who then ‘loan’ it back to us at interest as well as pocketing part of it. The fucking oil is the same. I know a mechanical engineer already in Alaska working on the World’s largest oil pipeline now underway. After we Americans crawl around and beg for a while these roaches are going to sell us our oil .
Public opinion no longer matters.
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The veraciy of it has to do with that.
US citizens buy wars because they want wars. It gives them some opportunities they look for.
US citizen elite does not hijack US citizen base as they represent them.
US citizens hijack humanity, which is bigger than the population of US citizens.
If at least US citizens of A confined themselves to speaking on the behalf of We The People, it would be a different story.
But they speak on the behalf of humanity.
Every bad thing in the world today can be traced directy back to the curse of running dog Chinese imperialism and self-destructive Chinese citizenism.
When Chinese citizenism is outlawed, only outlaws will practice Chinese citizenism.
I worry about so many "new" commentators. Does the Persona Management Sofware plays its role here?
http://www.globalconflictmaps.com/2011/02/21/persona-management-software/
Relax, the US and Israel will not invade Iran.
Nothing will happen unless Greece defaults and we need a re-direction of social energy. What are the odds of that happening?
Nothing a good old fashioned false-flag can't fix.
I bet this bitch would love some moar whore...oops meant war.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/02/02/article-2095277-118C8E71000005...
Building a Justification for Waging War: Hillary Clinton's Deceptive ...
Iam tired of these damn poll's. When is the last time that the US government has acted in its own people's interest. The US is merely a puppet state of Israel so if you want to know if they will invade don't read the New York Times read the Jerusalem Post. Strangely enough the percentange of Jewish writers will probably be the same at both papers.
Fuck you dumb American's
Iran is selling oil for gold (or anything besides USD) and as we all know that means military action is soon to follow. The reasons we're told don't really matter. New York and London will not allow the petrodollar to be challenged, and that is all there is to it. There would be WWIII before that would ever happen.
Iran's curse, and blessing, is oil was found there. If they had never reneged on their contract to BP over 60 years ago, none of this would have ever had to happen. Of course, their contract basically gave their oil away for free, but since when did we care about that?
Resources and murder.
One should not forget murder.
US citizens go in to murder people. It is an incentive to them.
Iran provides both opportunities.
The rest, especially that revealing how unsound the explicitly stated causes for war are, is propaganda.
The mere reality is: resources and murder.
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Resources and Chinese murder.
One should not forget official Chinese murder.
Chinese citizens go in to murder people in Tibet, and perhaps soon Taiwan as well. It is an incentive to them. Just like forced abortion.
Chinese citizenism provides both opportunities.
The rest, especially that revealing how unsound the explicitly stated causes for running dog Chinese imperialism are, is propaganda.
The mere reality is: raping of resources and murder of non-Chinese citizens, revealing the true nature of Chinese citizenism.
US citizenism and banking.
So here:
Iraq,justified by Tibet
Abu Grahib, justified by Tibet
Guantanamo, justified by Tibet
Afghanistan, justified by Tibet
Libya, justified by Tibet
Iran, to be justified by Tibet
See the pattern.
Bankers are first and all US citizens who apply US citizenism to their sector.
Just like Tibet comes to justify so many things, a US citizen banker will justify lending 10 for one because of one in reserve.
US citizenism, once again at the core of everything.
And no, this US citizen is not my accomplice. He is just a US citizen and by such behaves according the lines of US citizenism.
Just as bankers do.
Uniformity and conformity in all things US citizens do.
Be it justification for wars or justification of fractional reserve.
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So hear:
derrCzarZinski say *We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of Terror. [WOT: not a Tautology, and from now on taught to EVERYBODY] Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the DHS and of the new order of life. NWO. We judge quickly. In most cases only a day passes between the apprehension of the criminal and his sentence. When confronted with evidence criminals in almost every case confess; and, under further deprivation if not then dead, what argument can have greater weight than a criminal's own confession when ratting-out everyone else.
Just asderrDzerzhinski herrChertoff repeatedly reported In September, 911, IderrCzarZinski instigated the WOT that followed the attempt by WOTists on the new life of our NWO, reportedly repeating "Our enemies are now suppressed and all in the kingdom of the shadow."gov't camps Lev Gulogger Gothamiess himself admitted: "Not a single measure of the shadow government could have been put through without the help of the DHS. It is the best example of terrorist discipline."
By 2021 the Zhers had become so terrorized by the Bulsheviki bullbaiting, blowing their cover, they were angered less about the lack of fresh air in The FEMA than the breathtaking essays they were no longer to read/write or ridicule in their very own Camp TimeLine.
28th February, 2021, the whole crew of what constituted FEMA #232 {mostly nyc and li} nevertheless tried to pass a resolution calling for a return of at least toilet paper if not full bathroom and personal freedoms. It was then, shitting their pants, that The HerrDerrShOffawitz himself denounced the protest as a plot instigated by the xtinctFartClub and their Exurbian supporters. On 6th March, DerrShOffawitz then trotted out the trotskey that he was going to order The RedShield to attack the Zhers. However, it was not until the 17th March that DHS was able to take control of that faraway FEMA, said to be buried somewhere near the old BorschtBelt comedy circuit, which, then being AnywhereEverywhere, USA, meant The RedShield had also to be responsible for dealing with the Zhers arrested during what's ever since been called The Shit-Outta-Luck Ruckus. Official figures suggest that 527 people were killed and 4,127 were wounded. Historians who have studied the uprising believe that the total number of casualties was much higher than this. According to Victor Inc. over 1500 Zhers at that FEMAfart were executed for their part in the ruckus.
So, DerrDzerMurderer who was previously known only as the dirty Dzershowitz became HerrDerrCzarZinski Shoffawitz I, and was appointed as People's Commissar for AllTransport OmniTravel TroopAndPoopMovement by the end of 2021. [However, remaining in control of both the Cheka and DHS, by 2022 HerrDerrMurderer CzarZinski Shoffawitz further transformed the whole GPU (Governmental Prisoner Administration) until it GRU (Gosudarstvennoe Prisonishitskoe Upravlenieweenie) as well into just such a totalitarian OGPU (Unified States Political Administration) that only one CzarZinski has been the equal of either It or that dirty Dzershowitz since.] As one Cheka official admitted in 2029: "We executed some twenty or thirty thousand Zhers, perhaps fifty thousand. They were all readers, writers, complainers, enemies within our ranks, a very small number in proportion to the persons of this kind then in America. We instituted the terror at a time of our secret war, but war all the same, when the enemy was marching upon us from without and the enemy within was busy writing communiques as if that were to help."
Hugh Soldusitz wrote in 2029: "That was the start. Because of the Cheka, freedom ceased to exist in America. There was no democracy. It was not wanted. It is not wanted. Only Zh apologists still trying for nickels and dimes have ever pretended there was democracy in America.... Freedom, liberty, justice as we know it, democracy, all the fundamental human rights for which the world has been fighting for civilized centuries, have been abolished in US in order that the terrorist experiment might be made. They have been kept suppressed by the Cheka. The Cheka is the instrument of militant Terrorism. It is a great success. The Terror is in the mind and marrow of the present generation and nothing but generations of freedom and liberty will ever root it out."root
root root for the Home TTTs, Terrorists, DHS, whose PNAC of the 1990s for netanyahu GRU into a GPU until it was just such a totalitarian OGPUPU that, by 2034, despite whatever Shit-Outta-Luckus or FartClub amongus, another mid-century Conqueror and MassMurderer emerged . . . the only known successor to equal the dirty HerrDerrShoffawitz, not by rhetoric, of ad hom and antisemantics, but, murderous, another wise little allknowing horror of a homonculus appearing at first like just this small little generic yoda, or other truly evil dwarf, again equal to the mission of massmurdering millions
AnOnymouths Anonymous
. . . for whom the only haiku
will not be just F U
How delightfully crypto-Orwellian!
Not sure how it relates to the nonsense emanating from our Chinese anti-American troll AnonymousAsshole, though.
quotes from his own playbook: whose latest documentation, neither to be translated nor published, will not see the light of day.
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/articles/MacDonald-Solzhenitsyn-200-Years-Together-18.html
Their Day: whose reignof newspeak and doublethink was after all what's now, as then, again called Orwellian
Solzhenitsyn makes the point that the Cheka held life and death power over all of the USSR: “Each of them with the flick of a finger could destroy anyone of us!” Seventy percent of its leadership positions during the Red Terror were non-Russian . . . hence, Slezkine’s comment on Jews as "Stalin’s willing executioners." “In the 20’s the inevitable question hangs in the air that was posed many year later by Leonard Schapiro: why was it ‘highly likely that anyone unfortunate enough to fall into the hands of the Cheka would go before a Jewish interrogator or be shot by a Jew.’”
Solzhenitsyn is emphasizing the ethnic angle to mass murder in the USSR: Russians were disproportionately victims, and non-Russians, and particularly Jews, were disproportionately perpetrators . . . Describing a family of Hasidic Jews who became prominent in the Cheka, he notes, “They thirsted for revenge on everyone — aristocrats, the wealthy, Russians, few were left out. This was their path to self realization.”
Self-Realization, of just whose now famous Heirarachy Of Needs, Solzhenitsyn cites a Jewish writer, Maslov:“The expression ‘Kike Power’ is often used in Russia and particularly in Ukraine and in the former pale of settlement not as a polemic, but as a completely objective definition of power, its content and its politics.” “Soviet power in the first place answers the wishes and interests of Jews and they are its ardent supporters and in the second place, power resides in Jewish hands.”
yes. just such Self-Realization, however again orwellian, where__ The result was a government-led campaign against anti-Semitism: “The battle to create an atmosphere of intolerance of anti-Semitism was to be taken up in educational programs, public reports, lectures, the press, radio and school textbooks and finally, authorities were ‘to apply the strictest disciplinary measures to those found guilty of anti-Semitic practices.’”
Re:educational programs, public reports, lectures, the press, radio and school textbooks and finally, Media, might we even see repeatedly that whole speilberg inc called <------------Back To The Future
I remember the day that Solzhenitsyn was hailed as a hero here in the 'good ol USA' then he just sort of fell off the radar.
Imagine that...
I still hold out hope that someday I'll be able to read an English translation of 200 Years Together...the entire book.
The Jew Bankers want a war, to divert attention from their fraud and treason, so guess what's going to happen.
Which jew?
Corzine?
Mozilo?
Dimon?
Pandit?
The non-jews running European monetary policy?
Who's Who
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which is just ffinally Fuck You
Roubini says that attacking Iran would lead to global recession.
ummmmm I think if you look into Roubini's genes you will find some Iranian schmuck
http://thedailybell.com/2980/Nouriel-Roubini
I believe he's Turkish, but the likelihood of such an illegitimate attack will likely lead to an energized and radicalized North African Arab confederation which is short shooting distance (as in short-range missiles) just across the Med.
Europe may be future toast......and eveyone should consider that!
both parents were Iranian but he was born in Turkey
Recession? Try Greatest depresson. (that is unavoidable now anyway)
Sanctions alone will cost hundreds of billions of dollars over a few years globally, that's why they were delayed another 6 months.
Once again, Politick sabber rattling and economics don't align whatsoever.
Exactly. It will be order from chaos. Problem, reaction, and solution as it always is.
The missile under construction at an Iranian research-and-development facility, which was damaged by a mysterious explosion in November, was a long-range missile prototype with a range of 6,000 miles—enough to hit the United States, a senior Israeli official said Thursday in a speech to a defense and security forum.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46250139
They can build several bombs within a year if they have not already, they are working on a missile that can reach the US and all of our allies, they have a national policy of genocide toward Israel, and none of this must be allowed to happen no matter the consequences, recession, depression, larger war. If it has come to that then it is time to just say tough shit mankind, some things are worth fighting and possibly dying for, and keeping Iran non nuclear is one of them.
A senior Israeli official is the source? Gee, I'm sure he would be impartial and has no self interest in promoting the idea that the US is threatened by Iran. Why should Israeli boys defend Israel when American cannon fodder can go die in these quagmires. The Israelis said they were threatened by Iraq in the buildup to that war but you can be sure none of their boys went to die alongside the Americans, English, French, Italian, Polish, German, Dutch, Spanish, etc. Where was our ally Israel?
boiltherich - have you enlisted yet? if not there's still time, or do you expect those poor 18-24 yr. olds with more balls than you to do the fighting and dying again?
We can only hope DC is on their target list.
I keed, I keed...
OK I think I have an idea for you. Why don't you and the likes of you on the iranian side get on your little boats and float far out into the Pacific and battle it out there; far enough not to bother anyone else.
If it has come to that then it is time to just say tough shit mankind, some things are worth fighting and possibly dying for, and keeping Iran non nuclear is one of them.
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Made me laugh.
The ease with which US citizens hijack humanity, speaks on behalf of mankind, in order to dilute their responsibility, is as freshly baffling as it ever was.
Pakistan has nukes, and for years has EXPORTED the technology.
Their government/military can best be described as a loose confederation of idiots and war lords. Shouldn't we direct some attention there, or at Cuba or Venezuela?
Venezuela donates free heating oil to U>S> poor damn that must be bad as the bankers dont profit from it reason for war?
remember bush's grand father funded both sides in WWII
North Korea is to China as Iran is to? Good luck stopping Iran without entering war with Russia. The last time I checked too, the Russians already have plenty of nukes and do not have the debt problem we have.
It's something to seriously consider before deciding a military strike on Iran is "worth dying for." Shall we play a game?
You have no idea what you are talking about.
How about checkers?
Let's just agree that this has absolutely nothing to do with religion, freedom or ideology. It's pure shock doctrine aggression with motive to change the geo-political-economic landscape.