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Less than One-Fifth of All Americans Favor Military or Covert Action Against Iran … Less than Half of Israelis Want to Attack
Preface: Roubini says that attacking Iran would lead to global recession. The IMF says that Iran cutting off oil supplies could raise crude prices 30%. War with Iran would kill the American economy. and see this and this).
So yes, this is a newsworthy economic and financial story.
THE AMERICAN AND ISRAELI BEAT THE WAR DRUMS … BUT THE PEOPLE WANT PEACE
The American and Israeli Beat the War Drums ... But the People Want Peace
While the same neoconservatives who pushed the Iraq war are now loudly beating the drums of war against Iran, neither the American or Israeli people want war.
A new United Technologies/National Journal “Congressional Connection Poll,” finds that only 13% Americans think the U.S. should “take covert action against Iran such as sabotage and assassination of scientists working on their nuclear program”.
Only 17% support “tak[ing] military action against Iran, including bombing weapons facilities inside the country.”
And most Israelis are against war with Iran as well.
As University of Maryland professor of government, and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution, Shibley Telhami and director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes, Steven Kull, note in the New York Times:
Despite all the talk of an “existential threat,” less than half of Israelis support a strike on Iran. According to our November poll (.pdf), carried out in cooperation with the Dahaf Institute in Israel, only 43 percent of Israeli Jews support a military strike on Iran — even though 90 percent of them think that Iran will eventually acquire nuclear weapons.
Most important, when asked whether it would be better for both Israel and Iran to have the bomb, or for neither to have it, 65 percent of Israeli Jews said neither. And a remarkable 64 percent favored the idea of a nuclear-free zone, even when it was explained that this would mean Israel giving up its nuclear weapons.
The Israeli public also seems willing to move away from a secretive nuclear policy toward greater openness about Israel’s nuclear facilities. Sixty percent of respondents favored “a system of full international inspections” of all nuclear facilities, including Israel’s and Iran’s, as a step toward regional disarmament.
Given that the elites who profit from war will do their best to try to pretend we must attack Iran to protect ourselves, we must all be wary of a false flag attack against Iran. Indeed, it almost seems as if some have already hinted in that direction.
Why of course the people don’t want war … But after all it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship … Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
- Nazi leader Hermann Goering
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I am much more afraid of my own government than some mullah in Iran......
My own gov't screws with me everyday, with new regs or taxes, chipping away at essential liberties....The Iranians haven't bothered me at all
I simply find these poll numbers hard to believe, given the drubbing Ron Paul gets from the media and the electorate. I don't sense any significant desire of the populace to stop our meddling in the Middle East. One poll I saw showed that barely over 50% of Americans wanted any decrease in defense spending. War still sells here in the U.S.
The numbers are real. US citizens are duplicitous.
The fact they run away from a candidate who declares openly that part of his program would be to decrease the involvement in war is a sign of duplicity.
US citizens all oppose war when polls but rush to military recruitment bureaus.
Those polls are a measure of US citizens duplicity.
Only when crypto-fascist Chinese running dog imperialism is eradicated will the world be free of the diabolical scourge of Chinese citizenism. Chinese citizenism means only slavery, greed and destructive.
The world community must act now to put a final end to this spreading plague of Chinese citizenism.
In US citizen fantasy land.
In the real world, there is nothing like Chinese citizenism.
There is US citizenism ('Americanism')
Due to non existence, Chinese citizenism fantasy can not spread.
US citizenism is already top.
The beacon of hope and freedom, the great United States of America, must launch a crusade to rid the world of the curse of Chinese citizenism.
Conceptually, the notion of Iran attacking the USA militarily is absurd. It just doesn't stand, simply by thinking about it.
This is about erosion of hegemony, whether in space or in petrocurrency or otherwise.
Iran Launches Another Satellite
same as all other wars
I do not believe a Gulf of Tonkin incident is enough to change those polls. Sacrificing some ships will not be enough this time. Them the Sheeple need something larger to be really afraid. That's why I still expect a false flag on US Soil to start the next hot world war.
We all know the covert operations have been going on already for quite a while now too.
Northwoods
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
Those called improperly the sheeple do not want war because they are afraid.
They want wars because of the opportunities attached to them.
They want wars because killing is fun, corps style.
They want wars because the money is good and the enemy easy.
They want wars because of the superior social status attached to veterans.
Want to poll how many US citizens of A who regularly post here have:
-kickstarted their life thanks to the military?
-one of their relatives who kickstart life the same way?
-one acquaintance?
That story of false flag is just diversion. US citizens do not need provocation, taunts from the 'enemy'
The incentives of war are more than enough to get them to wish for more wars.
Let us not forget the Chinese rape of Tibet.
Americans conquered and occupied the lands of the Indians, Chinese conquered and occupy the lands of the Tibetans --- is there any difference?
Not to mention the lands of the Uighurs, and Mongols, and Manchus, and many others who are now occupied by cruel imperialist Chinese citizenism.
Chinese government, not happy with the pace of Han colonization in Tibet, forcibly removes Tibetans from their ancient homelands at the point of a gun to steal their homeland for themselves.
Tibetan's land is exploited by the Chinese, their resources sucked on by Chinese greed.
Tibetans can die for all the Chinese care --- and they encourage them to do so. Chinese empire is for ethnic Chinese citizens only --- the rest are nothing but filthy cattle to be slaughtered in Chinese citizens eyes.
Chinese citizenism government, not happy with a clean and healthy Tibet, decide to despoil the land to make it equal to their environmentally damaged and toxic rest of China.
Chinese citizens nature is to always invade, occupy, exploit and blob up.
Chinese citizens goal is always to destroy the environment, and breed like rabbits until the final collapse. Chinese citizenism at its ugliest and most perverse.
More examples of the eternal, hypocritical, ruinous nature of Chinese citizenism.
Woooo, really cheap.
Chinese is a nationality. All the ethnical groups you quoted are Chinese.
I think you try to mean something like binarhen or something.
Is there a difference? But laughable.
It is the story of US citizens: trying to justify their own doings through the actions of others while the gap between their actions and others'actions is growing.
Once again, no discontinuity between elite and base in US citizenism.
The recipe applied to China here by a US citizen from the base is the same the US citizen elite uses on Iran.
Comical.
Manchus founded the Qing dynasty.
That single little fact is a difference.
Please point on period in the US of A history when the Indians ran the show. I'd be generous, one day, one hour, one minute.
And I know US citizens are hooked on power and as such, revel in stating one and its contrary in the same breath but hey, one cannot underline Chinese one child policy and claim the purpose is to breed like rabbits.
One has not to be a US citizen.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/iran-warns-world-of-coming-great-event/
I just read that article. The article seems like scaremongering shit.
This. for example:
Any Iranian military or commercial vessel easily could get right outside the U.S. coastline and in less than 60 seconds fire a ballistic missile armed with a nuclear payload and detonate it over U.S. skies in an electromagnetic attack that would plunge America back into the 18th century.
and this:
The Revolutionary Guards not only can hit all U.S. bases in the Middle East with their ballistic missiles but also reach most capital cities in Western Europe. The Guards, with the help of China and North Korea, are working on intercontinental ballistic missiles. But more dangerous to America, as reported last July, is the Guards action in arming their vessels with long-range ballistic missiles and their expansion of their mission into the Atlantic Ocean, right into the Gulf of Mexico.
Sounds just like claims that Saddam had missiles with WMD warheads that he could launch agains Europe in 15 minutes.
Do people believe this? Do people still fall for this after everything that's happened?
If so, what hope is there?
They ARE that stupid...after all these years, they STILL believe in the "big man" who lives in space and spies on them. There's hope...but a culling must occur first...
I'm not really sure why people think Iran would be okay guaranteeing their own annihilation by using a nuke against Israel or the US. Not even the most radical leader would think that a nuclear attack wouldn't be met with utter destruction.
Besides being poorly written, that article is pure propaganda.
Even when they tell the truth, they attach so many lies to it as to destroy it all.
Or like you said, pure propaganda.
WND is just another neocon-flavored psyop.
There is a reason there are 3 carrier groups in the Persian Gulf, and it's not a sight seeing tour either, you can hardly get more in your face than this, the Iranians would be wise to keep their dicks between their legs if they know what's good for them
How many missiles would it take to completely sink the $20 billion worth of carrier groups in the persian gulf?
A couple dozen? Maybe a hundred at most? In addition to the extremely low cost required to actually destroy these carriers. Anti-missile technology would do very little to stop a hundred surface-to-sea missiles going mach 8 each from a dozen different directions.
American arrogance enjoys pointing to such things as how many carrier groups are in the area, but you forget missile technology is cheap, effective and Iran definitely has them.
3 carriers being sunk by Iran would not be a black eye, it would be like cutting off a hand.
Of course Iran would cease to exist as we know it today afterwards, but I find it sad you think that these carriers are much of a threat in the big scheme of things.
It's also telling you think Iran should keep "their dick between their legs" in the same post you brag about how many carrier groups are in the area meanwhile Iran are simply trying to protect their interests in the face of a bully.
Your frat guy bullshit doesn't add anything positive to a situation that could explode into WW3.
A couple dozen? Maybe a hundred at most? In addition to the extremely low cost required to actually destroy these carriers. Anti-missile technology would do very little to stop a hundred surface-to-sea missiles going mach 8 each from a dozen different directions.
Thank you for demonstrating conclusively how little you know about the structure and functioning of carrier groups.
3 carriers being sunk by Iran would not be a black eye, it would be like cutting off a hand.
And would result in the other 8 carrier battle groups shifting duties to make sure Iran was completely fucked. Oh wait, then the stealth bombers from Diego Garcia could go to work on Iran, then the non-stealth platforms could start pasting them from the skies. Did I mention it would be completely open season on Iran after that?
We haven't started talking about ground assault. Who needs to control all of Iran? Just cut out the major oil producing regions and call it a day.
Did those fail to take care of the problem? Say hello to the next levels of whoopass the US has laying around. Meet his henchman, Mr B-83 and Mr W-88. And that's just the unclassfied shit.
oderint dum metuant
Yeee HA! Bring it on, sink all three carrier groups, thousands of dead Americans, millions of dead Iranians!
The only way to make sure there are no dead on either side is if the insane leadership in Iran believes we and our Israeli allies mean business, and that we have the will and ability to stop them from building nuclear weapons. If they do not want to adhere to the treaties they signed than take out their facilities, whatever happens after that is just what needs to be.
Appeasment has never worked so those of you that think we should allow it to go on a few more years can just go fuck yourselves. It is you, the Neville Chamberlains' of the world that give us the world wars.
...I wonder what happens to the fish when a bunch of nuclear reactors on ships leak into the sea? Will the Sea turn to blood and kill all the fish err something? That would not be good but, it sure sounds prophetic. http://bible.cc/revelation/8-9.htm
ZERO HOUR
...suicide vs suicide= BLACK HOLE
....................where a man once stood....................
ZERO INTEREST
2012? 2013? 2014? 2015? 2016?
WAR
DEATH
WMD
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MAkUfUJsmg&feature=related
It's provocation. What if it was your head propelled towards their dick? Maybe you should keep your head up your ass and at home.
I can tell you this I am not planning on dyeing in someone else's war that's for sure
99.99% of the people who have died because of all past wars probably thought the same thing. They died by the millions none the less.
I doubt that percentage is that high I would say maybe something like 20-30%, if it was really that high wars would not happen(that often), most people(90%) have a herd mentality so any war involving the country they where born in is by definition their war unlike me who would probably join the opposing side if the country I was born in got attacked :)(at least in theory)
Take into consideration the estimated 20+ million Russia civilians that died in WWII. Did they want war with Germany? I do not think so. If you throw out civilian deaths, I would agree the number would be far lower.
I am not debating who want's vs. does not want a war(most don't), I am saying to what happens after the war starts(for whatever reasons) than it becomes everybody's war even most of those who didn't want it, so people instead of hanging the politicians who got them into a war happily do their patriotic duty jump into uniforms and go die for their country while the real perpetrators are often sung as heroes.
This is why Bush and Blair knew all well they would get away with Iraq because after the war starts even a war of pure and senseless aggression everybody gets behind the flag
I think the point is that non-combatants are far more likely to die than the combatants are, so you're choice of not dying is MOOT, instead being based totally on existing in the wrong place at the right time.
What percentage of Americans want to allow Iranian leadership to threaten the U.S. homeland with nuclear attack? --which they will, if given motive and opportunity.
Keep in mind, the MAD tactic does not work with religious zealots. It really is going to be a game changer this time.
Over and over the Iranians have stated they have no interest in nuclear weapons - they want nuclear power. I doubt that even reliious nuts prefer suicide. If war does break out, the instigators would be the U.S. or Israel, not Iran.
Remember, none of those three "actors" exist, so they cannot act, let alone instigate.
Now, the people behind the puppets who give life to these abstractions, well, that's a different story. For instance, why do the Iranian mullahs have MI6 contacts?
http://thedailybell.com/3577/Western-Elites-Caught-Red-Handed-in-Iran-Se...
Somebody's been dipping into the Kool-Aid supply!
Honestly, I didn't think anyone under 80 believed any of this skeery talk anymore. Tell me, do you watch professional wrestling too? Or reality TV shows?
Save a trillion dollars versus the chance that Iran MIGHT be stupid enough to attack the USA with a nuke.
I'll take that bet.
The Mullahs won't commit suicide to destroy Israel even if they say they will. It's all propaganda.
No elite has ever sacrificed themselves for the cause. NEVER. NOT ONCE IN HISTORY.
History is on our side.
Jim Jones. Waco. History is filled with religious nuts that died rather than be a part of the greater world because to cooperate and be a part of the greater world would refute their own teachings. It would compromise their hold on their followers, it would be compromise.
The beauty of religion is that it is what it's preachers say it is, the laws they demand you follow are the laws they make up and nothing any rational person says or does will disprove what they say. There are insane people here in the USA (Sarah Palin) that think the world is 6,000 years old because their pastor told them it was documented in their bible and that any claims of science to the contrary are an attack on them personally. If you hold a bone that is 200 million years old which you dug up in their own churchyard they will tell you that god allowed satan to put it there to test your faith in him.
If you support any organized religion in any way then you are part of the problem and not part of the solution, and it will be you and the mentally ill nuts that destroy the rest of us. That is fine by me, better to know who my enemies are than to have people all around who claim to be intelligent and educated only to stab you in the back with religious bullshit when you least expect them to. Liberals who vote against equality for all citizens is the most perfidious of the bastard traitors, there is a special place in hell for you.
Keep in mind, the MAD tactic does not work with religious zealots.
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Sure, sure. I more than everthing else keep in mind the taste of US citizens for cheap propaganda.
Because of what ground is this assumption made, that MAD tactic does not work with religious zealots? Any precedent?
Meanwhile, the Chinese citizens' rape of Tibet marches on, as well as the Chinese citizens colonization of Tibet and the Han-led genocide of the Tibetan people themselves, not to mention the ever-present warmongering threats directed against the free and independent republic of Taiwan.
The world must work to put an end to running dog Chinese imperialism that is the direct product of the eternal nature of the Chinese citizen, Chinese citizenism.
Now, dishwasher, back to your dishes --- you've got ten more hours at work, and another 16 yuan to make!
Looking at it from a different perspective, one could just as easily say that the Israelis are religious zealots as well.
Not even the Pope believes in God and you know why, because the more intimate you get with this shit the more you see it for what it is, I doubt the Ayatollahs give a crap about Allah
You speak for the Pope? I'm sure he'd be thrilled to know.
When was the last time Iran attacked anyone? If it means saving a trillion, i'll take the chance.
Iraq, or have you forgotten the Iraq-Iran war with over a million killed on each side? You think those assholes care about body counts?
And Israel, via their funded and supplied shills in Lebanon and the Gaza Strip. Or are you one of the many here who think Israel has no right to exist? If so, and don't take it personally, you are in the great company of all the Nazis that killed so many Jews in the 1940's but failed then and will fail again. But, the most overwhelming evidence suggests that Iran is doing far more than spouting rhetoric against Israel and even other Islamic nations, it is acting upon it's words, and what few posters here understand is that the world, the entire shebang is a delicate balance, it is the western powers that have kept it from getting out of balance and one piddling shithole nation run by mentally ill bullshit megalomaniacal asshole is NOT going to be allowed to upset it. You can think otherwise and do irrational things like pray but that just ain't how the world works.
And most of what the western media calls the Arab Spring is really just Iranian funded revolution for hard line Muslim takeovers by the likes of Brotherhood of Islam, have you gone to see the pyramids yet? Too bad if you have not because western visitors will not be welcomed in Egypt anymore, and it would not surprise me at all to read that they pyramids and temples of ancient Egypt have been dynamited just as the Taliban dynamited the relics of non Islam that were thousands of years old when that cock sucking dildo Mohammed was born.
You all claim to think that we are responsible for this because we abetted the overthrow of a communist "elected" leader there in the 1950's, the truth is the people had no more to do with his election in the fifties than they do now in the 21st century, the fact is that as bad as the Shah was most Iranians were better off in his Iran because most will be crispy critters under the asshole insane mullahs. It will be on their heads if war happens. Fuck it, cowards are all over the place, let them have the bomb, and when your kids get cooked we will see how hard you cry for revenge, how you wish you had demanded that the criminally insane were not allowed to have nuclear weapons.
I will laugh at you.
Oh the irony... The only country to ever use the bomb, invading other countries because it fears the bomb might be used on it. Talk about a paranoid murderer...
IF Iran nukes DC, who gives a shit? We might actually start a real recovery. We would be too lucky. Unfortunately, the Iranians just aren't as ruthless as the Americans.
How's that Kool-Aid taste?
That "Iraq - Iran" war began when Iraq invaded Iran.
We(USA and the banksters) 'played' (profiteered from) both sides.
United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war
United States support for Iran during the Iran–Iraq war
You need to ask yourself who really are the war mongering crazies...and why.
Now who in the Middle East would be the primary beneficiary of Iran and Iraq "kicking the shit out of each other?"
Tell me again how US Foreign Policy is operating in the interests of the American people...or at least the 97-98% of us.
The meddling the US has done in the interests of our 'passionate attachment' is not in the best interests of the majority of the American people.
The tail is wagging the dog...
Where has all this /sarc on genius statecraft /sarc off and warmongering gotten us? We are a bankrupt paper tiger running on fumes.
I will cry for you and all of the human beings who will suffer and die when this insanity ends in its predictable conclusion.
thank you george for being and reflecting the voice of reason....the blood thirsty neocon war mongerers are begging for body bags and will probably get them - they have no skin in the game....it is a war for the rockefeller-mic-yale-cia 1% elite to seize more oil for their mammon worshipping godless souls...
and yes, some staged event will be presented as a casis belli....just like we did to spain in 1898
http://www.mohabatnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=...