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The Long Conversation
The Long Conversation
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Cognitive Dissonance
It was during my preparation for the Roman Catholic Church’s rite of passage called Confirmation, the point where I commit to the present insanity because I have supposedly reached the age of consent, when I learned I had just blasphemed. This was a terrible state of affairs according to the nun who was presiding over my religious indoctrination. Back then, while the Priest may have been the anointed one and thus the public face of local parish power, the nuns ruled the roost and thus administered the religious training as well as its mind control counterpart, corporal punishment. As the sister repeatedly slammed her heavy wooden ruler down on my knuckles, and the back of my hands quickly turned red and swollen in protest of another round of religious abuse, aside from the sharp pain what I really felt was deeply confused. What had I done to deserve another beating, aside from asking Sister Elizabeth a few innocent questions? As the other boy slaves watched in horror and fascination (the girls received their own special instruction two doors down) it would be nearly a decade before I fully recognized that logic and free thinking is the enemy of social conditioning and religious indoctrination. Well north of forty years later I can still feel the psychological sting of that abuse as I revisit the incident in my mind and once again color outside society’s line. Pavlov would be proud to see that my conditioned response had been beaten so deep. But it’s not the individual beatings that have so much of an effect, but rather the cumulative piling on that reaches such depth. And therein lay the secret of their total control, for there appears nowhere to hide to escape the raining of their blows. This is their best and most effective lie. But it is still a lie nonetheless.
It was an innocent question really, and a tribute to its power and destabilizing logic that Sister Elizabeth turned bright red and immediately reached for her punishing stick. In my defense it was during that same week in American History class, the location where the state administered its own form of mind control and corporal punishment, where I learned how those filthy dirt-worshiping Indians (Sister Elizabeth’s words, not mine) honored dozens, even hundreds, of holy spirits. All I wanted to know was why we only had one. It seemed to me that we were getting the short end of the stick, the phrase my father liked to use when he applied his own punishing stick.
The Punishing Sticks
Can you hear them way off in the distance talking among themselves, the voices of the great spirits past, present and future, all speaking as one? I most certainly can and to be perfectly honest I always could. I just didn’t understand what it was I was listening to since the ability to decipher them had nearly been driven out of me ages ago. So I ignored them for as long as I could until finally I could no longer.
Once you let them in there is no turning back, and we all understand this as irrefutable fact. Once it is recognized, we can no longer deny our inner knowing. The voices might be faint and even a bit blurred, but still very understandable to those who care to listen. Or dare I say it, even to confer. In fact if you put your ear to the wind, close your eyes and settle your mind, you can hear them whispering to each other while beckoning us to rejoin them in our collective Long Conversation.
The thing about our shared insanity, the only honest way to properly describe the state of current affairs, is that the insanity will always insist it alone is perfectly sane and anything that tries to refute its supremacy is declared crazy and immediately purged. So it is not at all surprising that the dominate culture, the product of centuries of Delirium tremens, would beat its slaves to death and treat its enemies even worse rather than tolerate questions, let alone dissention. But there is real madness to the abusive methods the (religious) Empire employs, because what is really driven from us is our own innate and natural connection to The Long Conversation.
It really wasn’t my question that raised the hackles of old Sister Elizabeth, but rather the unspoken inquisition that sprang from the mouth of babes. Why was the Holy Spirit advocating death and destruction to those who did not embrace the one and only ‘God’, while the Native American Indians loved and honored Heaven and Earth and all its glorious creations? Why was the culture of insanity taking its marching orders from a holy homicidal maniac, while the filthy dirt-worshiping natives lived in relative peace and harmony and always tried to give back at least as much as they took?
These are ugly ego striping questions that could quickly destabilize an imperial empire and its enabling religion if they were ever allowed to fester, thus the reason for the liberal use of the ruler or rifle along with the threat of hell on Earth and eternal damnation.
See, it works like this. If we are to believe that we are not worthy, then we will allow ourselves to be judged not worthy, followed quickly by the willing surrender of our inner power to an external ‘authority’ who has been deemed supremely worthy by imperial or religious edict. But if we are to believe we are connected to everything and thus we as worthy as the mighty Oak or the industrious dung beetle, and certainly more worthy than any false external ‘authority’, there is no reason to surrender and thus we are uncontrollable. This is blasphemy pure and simple!
The Mighty Oak
By the time I reached walking away age and began my own search for meaning and connection, all that was left in my neck of the woods was cookie cutter religious doctrine and a brain washed state of artificially numbed elation. And this was well before the full impact of the drug called televised instant gratification had subdued and suborned a great nation.
Or at least that was what I had been told we were; a nation proud of its genocidal westward expansion that had now gone global. Convert those Godless heathens to the temple of self absorbed consumer consumption ecstasy or wipe them from the face of God’s little green Earth, ironically the very same little green Earth so loved by those Godless heathens.
For the dozens of now vanquished indigenous cultures, whose love and respect for all things nurturing and sustaining was a way of life, even this love of life wasn’t what terrified the war mongering nation(s). No, what really threatened the insanity was the revered and cherished internal communication the natives had with their spiritual forefathers, as well as those who would follow in their footsteps.
What could, would and still will topple the insanity was their Long Conversation, their spiritual connection that solidly anchored them to their own sanity. This was what condemned the millions of natives to their own eradication. If you can’t corrupt them by driving their sanity out, then just kill them all and be done with it.
If we are sane, we simply cannot destroy what we deeply love and respect. Nor can we destroy or even demean what we wish to pass to our children, concepts that would most definitely destroy the insanity if they were ever widely embraced. The holy madness needed divine justification in order to take by force all that it surveyed, and so anyone or anything that refuted insanity’s marching orders was labeled a blasphemy and a heretic, then promptly cut down past its roots, shock and awe scorched Earth style.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, can be allowed to get in the way of the endless territorial expansion and locust like consumption of the mindlessly mad machine. Nothing will be allowed to resist the modern global Ponzi, especially a social and spiritual consciousness that speaks from the past and future to warn the present of the dangers of hubris, ego and homicidal insanity. This was and still is why The Long Conversation must be silenced. God forbid we actually listen to the only sane voices left, those found within our very own spiritual head.
Social conditioning tells us to ignore our inner knowing and accept the false external authority.
Of all the various forms of mind control witchcraft practiced by the unholy church/state alliance, by far the most destructive is the hijacking and subversion of our own spoken language. Simply put, just as we are what we eat, so do we think as we speak. So rather than removing ideologically unhealthy words from the spoken language and leaving a gap that would be noticed, all that needs to be done is to subvert or convert the true meaning. And before we know it we have spiritually lost people extolling the virtues of the National Security Endless War and Ponzi State.
Trapped in an ideological hell by our very own language the few remaining free thinking deeply connected souls are forced to use the very vocabulary that enslaves us to wake us from our deep slumber. In effect we must use the very words that control us to free us, a nearly impossible task given the high hurdles we must overcome. Short of creating a new language, then widely distributing it via a hostile press and MSM, the only effective solution is for the population to reconnect to The Long Conversation.
Our powerful and supreme inner knowing has been carefully hidden from us for centuries, millennium even, primarily by diluted and dulled milquetoast words such as gut feeling, instinct, sixth sense or even faith and belief. Let us call it what it is, an inner knowing that squarely places the responsibility back upon our shoulders to right our own floundering ship. But even this is too great for our inflated and flattered egos to bear, so we eagerly grasp for the deflecting lie that it is all someone else’s mess to repair.
Of all the horrors perpetrated upon us by the machine and its sycophant henchmen, maybe the most frightening one of them all is the very instrument of our salvation, of our freedom, the one tool we can always access and is totally out of bounds to the insanity. I am of course speaking about freedom of choice, our unquestioned and unalienable right to become sane again, to break free from the madness machine and reclaim our own spiritual, emotional and ultimately physical sovereignty.
The seductive embrace of our collective insanity promises us all a softer easier way, an alternative path where we are told we can have our cake and eat it too. This is a bald faced lie, even if the machine consistently produces more cake as if by magic. It is a lie because that cake is not free, but instead derived from the sweat and tears of a less fortunate fellow slave caught up in the crushing gears of the grinding machine. Our Long Conversation with our inner knowing tells us this is a lie, that the lies of the insanity are self evident and thus brightly colored to enable us to abandon ourselves to the pleasure of the distraction. Let someone else pick up the tab. But soon enough it will be you and me who pays the freight.
If you understand what I am talking about with regard to The Long Conversation, about the whispering voices anchoring us to our own sanity, then we might even say that these spirits will do more than just whisper. If nothing else it is a comforting thought, that a power greater than us, that our power has our back. It is precisely this thought that helps keep us sane. When we are connected to others, when we acknowledge that our actions affect more than just us, then and only then are we more likely to act sanely as we all share responsibility for the group as well as the individual.
09-29-2011
Cognitive Dissonance
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The catholic church has damaged almost every young mind exposed to it, along with most of the adults who follow it.
It distorts the message of God and moves people away from their salvation. God can be found in the heart, not in
the repetitive prayers we are taught to memorize and repeat until they lose all meaning. The church is just another
big business, out to make a buck so those at the top can live a life of power and luxury.
Mankind corrupts everything we touch. As a seeker of truth, I try to assess the intension and the motive behind everything I read, hear or learn from others. My goal is to make sense of my reality and to be true to myself.
As a child, I was not able to do this. Most folks have a hard time when they are children because their minds are vulnerable and still forming. I used to think (30 years ago) that grown ups had all the answers. Now I know that this is not true, but I realize that many adults in my life were seeking the enlightened path in the very best way they could. Like me, they were just not sure how to do it. In the end, we are all trying to find our way and it is important to deal with others and to treat others in the ways we want to be dealt with and treated.
If you have been abused that is not right and the perpertrator is a person who is messed up- but that is not the issue I am addressing in my reply.
Thanks to you all for sharing your thoughts on this post. And thanks CD for starting a conversation that has the potential to help us to all grow and to be able to share.
I would say "conditioned" rather than "damaged." The repetitiveness works to condition our minds and give us a sense of security.
And yet, at the same time, religion has inspired people to do amazing things.
Anyway, we're all conditioned in different ways. The magic starts to happen when you see your conditioning. But that's scary for many because of that "sense of security" thing!
I think Jesus became aware he was a son of God, but was not served well, to say the least, in the telling of his story.
It's my personal belief that we are all sons of God and that there is nothing exterrnal that prohibits us from "seeing" this but the illusions we allow our minds to construct.
Were native peoples holier than us? Of course not. We are all holy!
Perhaps their culture was more conducive to sprouting Jesus" than ours but the truth seems to be that the mind (ego) has had the upper hand for the most part thus far, near as I can tell.
Personally. I think there are many thousands of Jesus' walking the planet right now, and my hope is to join them on a more regular basis.
The enemy is within
The MIGHTY OAK
I stand above the earth from seed , a mighty oak , from land ,
been that way through history.
I never bend or sway to wind for I am the strongest ever been.
I Am The Mighty Oak
Sky is ugly ,wind is strong, as earth unleash's winters blast
remembering many
many winters past
I yell bring it on , I Am The Mighty Oak and I stand fast.
The ground is shaking , wind is howling
ever so howling
Trunk is twisting and branches shake ,
as sky and lightening race they make.
I YELL and scream at natures send
I Am The Mighty Oak and will not BEND.
Somethings wrong , my branches shaking
violent actions
that they are making.
I Am The Mighty Oak and do not bend
the wind relentless, pushe's on. I sense that something,
somethings wrong
Snapping twisting screams I make, looking down at trunks last fate
Cracking , snapping , NO!!! NOT THIS WAY
My life before me seconds flash
I should have bent and swayed this day
I hit the earth one mighty crash.
now I
The mighty oak
end up
as fires ash
Thanks for the read CD
S&P Oak?
Dow Oak?
You should consider yourself lucky CD that you only got your knuckles hit with a ruler.
Millions of young boys worldwide, and I am not exaggerating the numbers, got their asses and minds fucked (in this case, I refuse to tone down) by so-called
Catholic priests and the worthless, piece of shit church covered it up to the last man. That includes every priest, bishop, cardinal and devil worshiping
pope for the last two thousand years. The earth is ruled by the devil through the unholy trinity; the church, the government, and big business.
Once you realize that fact, everything makes sense. We can only help those around us by keeping a close, personal relationship with God.
Who said anything about 'only' getting my knuckles hit with a ruler? My piece just focused on this one incident. However I did make a subtle referrence to "What had I done to deserve another beating....." and I also referred a few times to religious abuse, imply something much more than "just" physical beatings.
I always assume children read my stuff so I have no intention of getting very graphic. Most people should already know about the widespread and still ongoing sexual abuse in the church. It is a given unless a person's denial is working overtime.
I'm sorry to hear that. Abuse by the Catholic Church is a very personal thing with my family. We have gone through hell on earth for
nearly 25 years, only to discover the underlying problem was the sexual abuse of our son when he attended a Catholic school. It involved
a cluster of ordained priests at his school including the principal. My wife and I were very active in the church and we feel betrayed.
Since this has come out, no one from the church has reached out to us. The cover up is what we find the most difficult to deal with.
If there is a hell, it is for sure going to be crowded with catholic priests, not only the molesters, but those who knew and did nothing.
We have not lost our faith in God, only our faith in the church.
The Catholic non-response to child abuse is why we NEVER give any money to them nor would consider joining up with them.
It is a HUGE problem that they will not face, insanity at its worst.
"is that the insanity will always insist it alone is perfectly sane and anything that tries to refute its supremacy is declared crazy and immediately purged.”
Spot on true. Also, universal.
“Ain’t nobody innocent in this, Roger” (Body of Lies)
It’s tough to apportion guilt in the human species, though Caucasians seem to possess a guilt gene absent in other races. In fact, this guilt reaches its apex amongst Catholics, and Irish Catholics at that. A visit to Boston will demonstrate this fact. (It is hardly surprising that CD was raised Catholic; it oozes from every article.) Maybe Caucasian Guilt is merely a product of being on top in a relative sense for the last five hundred years in terms of intellectual achievement. Then again, maybe not, as some rather provocative discoveries stemming from the mapping of the human gene pool suggest some very subtle differences amongst different ethnic groups. I suspect unless someone like trav7777 gives them voice, our current political correctness will keep them tucked safely away and out of public view.
Other posters have already had at the noble savage fantasy, so I can only add bits and pieces. CD, you like to be iconoclastic, but only selectively. You only take up arms against your own gods, and even that has a degree of selectivity. If your gods pass a positive judgement on someone else---what we now call being “politically correct”---you buy it without question. Hence you propagate the fantasy of nature-worshipping, nurturing nobel savages. The less introspective amongst different ethnicities embrace this White Man Seal of Approval and buy into someone else’s lie so as to feel better about themselves. Perhaps it is those people who should be reading CD’s missives, since just about none has embarked on the path of self-discovery and truth-seeking. Their Matrix is far more solid.
One god, a million gods, or no god….it all ends up the same. Plenty of guilt to go around, and as I quoted at the beginning, ain’t nobody innocent in this.
Though I repeat this ad nauseum (even to myself), I’ve had the opportunity to live in countries and cultures embracing all the world’s major religions. Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam and Hinduism. Given my personal belief that all are man-made, I’m not surprised that each of them places itself and its philosophy on top, with everyone else being misguided at best or deserving of an immediate and painful death at worst.
It is astonishing to me what behaviors humans have decided are “spiritual”. An Aztec family who gave up its virgin daughter for sacrifice believed they were being pious and spiritual to the exact same extent as a Moslem who attends the Hajj. My own definition of spirituality, perhaps a product of my wide range of residential experiences, is “someone who takes his superstitions very seriously”.
Monotheism has given us the Inquisition, the Borgia Family, ‘our sacred and eternal God-given homeland’, modern Saudi Arabia, the march of the Moors, the Crusades, al Qaeda, abu Sayyaf and a thousand other things the species could well have done without. Polytheism has given us the Caste system and bride burning. Even a non-theistic “philosophy” like Buddhism only lacks a god amongst the Westerners who gravitate toward that world view. Every indigenous Buddhist I have ever met has a god and prays to it and makes offerings to it. Indeed, most Buddhists, the same as those of other faiths, show a history of adopting new faiths that do not erase the old faith, but merely spread a new layer of beliefs and superstitions on top of what was already there. For example, in Burma we are supposedly Buddhist, but we also have 39 impish spirits called “nats” who are woven into the philosophy exported from India when Indians decided zero or one god did not fit their needs. Japan, where the total number of faithful greatly exceeds the population (some people claim and to be of more than one faith) still gave us the Crypts and the Blood (called “samurai” in Japan) and the Nanjing Massacre, among other things.
Every last belief system has given us slavery, and in many places ( I live in one now, despite its Buddhism) it still exists.
The point of all this, CD, is that everybody lives in a “Matrix”. Maybe you and those of your ilk are amongst the first humans taking a fresh step in the evolutionary process and beginning to question the collective restraint society puts on its citizens. My own experience is that your ilk is virtually alone, across the planet, in this type of self-reflection. Everyone else’s reflection occurs within an unquestioned framework with inviolable borders. They only go so far. You are going one step further and questioning the borders. If I might suggest one thing, it is that you also reconsider what worlds you have created outside of your own societal framework, because those are as fantastical as the inner world from which you are trying to escape.
Ain’t nobody innocent in this.
Nice Chindit and you also CD - Perhaps an excursion into the Velikovskian realm of 'racial amnesia' would be fruitful in this discussion. The age and creation of the gods was approximately 6,000 years ago and there are many linguistic fossils to remind us of it. For example, the day of the week to worship god was traditionally Saturday (Saturn's Day) in many cultures and is also a day to remember a time of fire and brimstone and chaos that seems to be written in our Lamarckian bones.....
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/documents/saturn-theory.pdf
heh, you just reminded me I have a thick volume of Velikovski's crap sitting under my subwoofer, to try and reduce its coupling with the furniture ...
It works too! ...
He was eventually good for something.
Maybe Caucasian Guilt is merely a product of being on top in a relative sense for the last five hundred years in terms of intellectual achievement. Then again, maybe not, as some rather provocative discoveries stemming from the mapping of the human gene pool suggest some very subtle differences amongst different ethnic groups.
Greetings Chindit
Regarding this comment from you, if you're genuinely interested in why certain societies and ethnicities failed while others thrived, you should read Guns, Germs and Steel, written by a famous evolutionary biologist at UCLA who won a Pulitzer for it. Absolutely fascinating book. Check it out if you get a chance.
I, too, just don't connect with these overly transcendental, gobbledygook articles by CD. For every one part of real substance, there's ten parts of contrived, metaphysical sophistry. Fancy words, phrases and pictures, but hollow of substance....sort of a literary house of cards. Like an evening at Carnegie Hall, listening to Zamfir.
:(
I'll drink to that.
We are all imprisoned by our past, our perceptions, and the limits of our ability to comprehend. There's no figuring it all out. As soon as you "break on through to the other side" you find just another barrier in the way ad finitum.
I wish people would assimilate the wisdom of the ancients before they start flopping around like postmodern doofuses.
There is nothing new under the sun. Maybe there is in the particulars, but not in the general.
Even the smartest man in the world can't search it all out. All you will find is profound absurdity.
Everyone dies. In the end, all our individuals aims, goals, and hopes are quite meaningless.
What to do? It's not that complicated. Respect yourself enough to not hide from your failures and stop blaming other for your screw-ups. Failure to do this is being weak. Be faithful: work hard and know work is the iron law of the universe; love your wife; tell your son he has balls of steel when he plays through the pain; tell your daughter she is awesome for figuring about how to factor polynomials.
Take pleasure in how the cup of wine sparkles in the glass, because it and you won't be here tomorrow.
Well done chindit13. You articulated very well a point that others above have tried to do as well: that we are all human and subject to, well, the evil in us all.
CD, I liked your article very much, thought provoking as always. I liked chindit13's suggestion that you may be a leader in the evolution of humanity, but that further internal work may be required for you to explore more as well.
Me? I am so way behind you two... And admire both you very much. ZH is a very nice playground.
Thanks, but I'm not ahead of anybody. At the same time, I'm not a follower of anybody either. I like to think I eat off the menu a la carte, instead of choosing the set meal, which makes me neither conservative nor liberal, and hopefully minimally co-opted.
I don't think CD reads my comments on his articles anymore. I do enjoy reading his work, though. He's clearly bright, and thoughtful. Often I think too thoughtful, but that is just me. We have some areas of disagreement, but I suspect a lot fewer than he might think, if I'm pompous enough to think he's ever given it a moment's thought.
I haven't yet seen a country, culture or ethnic group whose reality matches its myth, though as I pointed out, not so many nations or groups are particularly introspective (though I think the US, perhaps as a result of its great diversity, engages in it more than most). That is why I highlighted the line from CD's piece. It applies to every last one of us.
I read every word you write chindit13 and I always appreciate your comments. It is where a little heat and friction exists that I learn the most. In fact I was just wondering last night before rolling into bed if you realized we are closer on many points than might appear on the surface.
Are you interested in doing a guest post where I host? There are a few guidelines, but only a few. Let me know if you are interested.
ZHCognitiveDissonance at gmail dot com
methinks it would be fun to read a "collaborative" post by the both of you, done in the style of Plato's Dialogues or the Khrisnamurti/Bohm dialogues. not as a competition to vote on whose version of reality is "right", but rather to discover how just how wide (or not) the abyss is and where the bridges across the abyss may lie.
just a thought
Good idea.
I punted the ball to him. Let's see if he responds. I would enjoy the discussion. I really do respect his views. I just don't always agree with him.....as is the same for him with me.
I remember "becoming a new Mom"... (long time ago, yeah I'm older than dirt) and the first time my new baby became ill. The good Doc explained to me that I should NEVER NEVER dismiss or second guess the "little voice in the back of my head" that tells me something is wrong with my child. He also said that any Doctor who dismissed or ridiculed my "gut feelings that something was wrong" is one that should not be practicing medicine and such a individual was not worthy of my trust or respect.
That good Doc and the "little voice in the back of my head" have proven to be right on many occasions.
Motherhood 101.....
CD, i am sure you are a great guy. i am sorry, but all i hear gnosticism in your wrighting. gnosticism was started by simon magus, the man who tried to buy the holy spirit from peter. this school of gnostics were the first apostate christian group, and their power and influence was insinuated into the holy roman empire; their secrets were conglomerated by the knights templars, carried through the rosicruitians, to the jesuits, and finally, to the freemasons and other secret societies that in large part have fabricated the very "matrix" that you bemoan. ultimately, gnostics fall for the very same lies told to eve in the garden, that '"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." gen3:5.
i implore you to watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKn8U1XwTxI
there is a war going on, and it is between lucifernians and christians... the gnostics are in the luciferian camp. you may want to reconsider things. the whole 36 videos are fantiastic, and i promise that even if you dont agree with it, you will gain from it..
your brother.
I'm thankful to anybody and everybody's god that I did not write this article and thus feel compelled to answer this man's comment.
May I say "Godspeed", CD.
I'm thankful mcguire posted. If you were as smart as you think you are you would feel naked and exposed.
"Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight."
May the God in you eat your dogmas so you can taste freedom.
Yes Mcguire there is a war going on between good and evil on earth, and it is won or lost on an individual basis. Pick a side.
That is what it's all about.
hallelujah
Re. the Simon you mention in Acts: He "believed" and "was baptized" and still he was not saved. So much for the Christian teaching that everyone who believes and is baptized is saved.
I'll save for another day the fact that the only persons baptized in the NT are Hebrews and there is not one Gentile who is baptized, because water baptism is a tradition belonging only to the Hebrews and not one Gentile is ever baptized in Scripture...no, the Ethiopian eunuch was a Hebrew because he studied the OT and he went to Jerusalem to "worship" (these two activities disqualify him from being a Gentile). Seeing as how the temple and all Hebrew polity was destroyed in 70AD when Christ "returned" as He and all the apostles taught and promised, there is no more water baptism. The only sign is love.
A funny, entertaining 65 minute primer video on "Preterism" (the Bible teaching that Christ returned in 70AD and that all prophecy is fulfilled already) Also a free quarterly glossy magazine, really free, suported by readers and a generous charitable Preterist. I am friends with the editor who is a full time chemical engineer and not a blood sucking parasite ala members of the Satanic "pastor-seminary" complex.
http://www.fulfilledcg.com/Site/Video/watch_intro.htm
fog horn please with the devil and the christian .
run to your pastor and get three hail marys
Yes, the snake talking to Eve in the garden of Eden 5,000 years ago when the world began is very hard to ridicule.
Are you a Perry supporter by any chance?
how could you not support perry, with a slogan like :"save a pretzel for the gas jets"???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhDhDRvHaGs
I suspect that you may be tripping.
For a good look at how things are ... and will be ... watch Vodka Lemon
4k, watch the movie... it is underground history.. you will like it.
It's not about whether the native americans were "noble savages" -- it's about societal institutions that alienate you from your innate nobility. The projection of that nobility on some group of people who doesn't live up to it in every respect, does not refute that nobility.
It's about original sin vs original purity. The Catholic church has the former as a matter of doctrine and this justifies the suppression of the individual spirit.
CD,
Thank you for article. Here is a link to the J. Krishnamurti site:
http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/krishnamurti-teachings/view-video/is-freedo...
You might appreciate this...cheers!
JK was (and still is) a great teacher, I read literally scores of his books.
Yes, he is absolutely worth reading, and should be mandatory, but he is also ultimatey no help whatever, as the attempt to make his words 'help' you, is just him re-conditioning your mind again. It's a trap (and he knew it, and specifically told his 'followers' to throw out the books, and also the 'teacher' and do it all yourself, or don't bother with any of it)
In the day to day world, it's you who has to deal with all, in real-time.'No one can actually help you with this - and he fully knew that, but still considered it important to get people moving under their own steam.
JK is not there in the real word, and his words don't, in the smallest amount, cause a person to make the leap to the 'person' which they really are.
That ONLY comes from them alone - and he knew that too, and regularly said it ... and most people failed to grasp that he really meant it.
Nevertheless his ultimate uselessness in all this, he's probably the best 'teacher' there's been in the modern era.
Nuns, Native Americans, and every other person on this earth are scum-sucking parasites! No one values the land or the inhabitants. We consume, then look for more life to snuff out. What a bunch of bullshit. Just wake the fuck up.
and acknowledging that we are scum-sucking parasites is the first step into transmuting into another lifeform less parasitical.
Very well said
Well, then soitis, you must be one too. And logic requires you, therefore, to go hang yourself.
Would you tell us where and when, so we can watch?
I am absolutely one, dumbass. That's the whole point. All the "I'm more evolved than you" crap is what has created division in this world. And yes, sweet-cheeks, come on over and kick the chair out.
CG, I'm only 1/3 of the way through but had to stop and say: as soon saw the rulers, and before I'd read a word, I remembered the nuns . . . back to reading . . .
ACTION OF THE PEOPLE: Stop frequenting the businesses of your congressmen and senators and let them feel the effects of their actions.
read mad mag for all social ills
to change the world sit under that big tree . and do nothing . as you will change your self .
Nothing can happen in your experience except it be an outpicturing of your own consciesness (sp)
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CD, I hear and respect.
Suggest reading reading "Black Elk Speaks" (http://www.cliffsnotes.com/study_guide/literature/Black-Elk-Speaks-Book-Summary.id-38.html)
Try also : "The Chalice and the Blade" http://www.inhumandecency.org/christine/eisler.html
And: http://www.travelexplorations.com/the-heart-of-the-hunter-laurens-van-der-post.113042-18562.html
News just in egalitarian societies lose out to heirachical ones, over time: http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-09-societies-class-faster-egalitarian.html
cd are u familiar with Foucault discipline and punish and this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WveI_vgmPz8
No I was not. Watching now.
I wish I could go back in time to my ancestral roots. This place is God damned HELL!!!!!