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The Long Conversation
The Long Conversation
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Cognitive Dissonance
It was during my preparation for the Roman Catholic Church’s rite of passage called Confirmation, the point where I commit to the present insanity because I have supposedly reached the age of consent, when I learned I had just blasphemed. This was a terrible state of affairs according to the nun who was presiding over my religious indoctrination. Back then, while the Priest may have been the anointed one and thus the public face of local parish power, the nuns ruled the roost and thus administered the religious training as well as its mind control counterpart, corporal punishment. As the sister repeatedly slammed her heavy wooden ruler down on my knuckles, and the back of my hands quickly turned red and swollen in protest of another round of religious abuse, aside from the sharp pain what I really felt was deeply confused. What had I done to deserve another beating, aside from asking Sister Elizabeth a few innocent questions? As the other boy slaves watched in horror and fascination (the girls received their own special instruction two doors down) it would be nearly a decade before I fully recognized that logic and free thinking is the enemy of social conditioning and religious indoctrination. Well north of forty years later I can still feel the psychological sting of that abuse as I revisit the incident in my mind and once again color outside society’s line. Pavlov would be proud to see that my conditioned response had been beaten so deep. But it’s not the individual beatings that have so much of an effect, but rather the cumulative piling on that reaches such depth. And therein lay the secret of their total control, for there appears nowhere to hide to escape the raining of their blows. This is their best and most effective lie. But it is still a lie nonetheless.
It was an innocent question really, and a tribute to its power and destabilizing logic that Sister Elizabeth turned bright red and immediately reached for her punishing stick. In my defense it was during that same week in American History class, the location where the state administered its own form of mind control and corporal punishment, where I learned how those filthy dirt-worshiping Indians (Sister Elizabeth’s words, not mine) honored dozens, even hundreds, of holy spirits. All I wanted to know was why we only had one. It seemed to me that we were getting the short end of the stick, the phrase my father liked to use when he applied his own punishing stick.
The Punishing Sticks
Can you hear them way off in the distance talking among themselves, the voices of the great spirits past, present and future, all speaking as one? I most certainly can and to be perfectly honest I always could. I just didn’t understand what it was I was listening to since the ability to decipher them had nearly been driven out of me ages ago. So I ignored them for as long as I could until finally I could no longer.
Once you let them in there is no turning back, and we all understand this as irrefutable fact. Once it is recognized, we can no longer deny our inner knowing. The voices might be faint and even a bit blurred, but still very understandable to those who care to listen. Or dare I say it, even to confer. In fact if you put your ear to the wind, close your eyes and settle your mind, you can hear them whispering to each other while beckoning us to rejoin them in our collective Long Conversation.
The thing about our shared insanity, the only honest way to properly describe the state of current affairs, is that the insanity will always insist it alone is perfectly sane and anything that tries to refute its supremacy is declared crazy and immediately purged. So it is not at all surprising that the dominate culture, the product of centuries of Delirium tremens, would beat its slaves to death and treat its enemies even worse rather than tolerate questions, let alone dissention. But there is real madness to the abusive methods the (religious) Empire employs, because what is really driven from us is our own innate and natural connection to The Long Conversation.
It really wasn’t my question that raised the hackles of old Sister Elizabeth, but rather the unspoken inquisition that sprang from the mouth of babes. Why was the Holy Spirit advocating death and destruction to those who did not embrace the one and only ‘God’, while the Native American Indians loved and honored Heaven and Earth and all its glorious creations? Why was the culture of insanity taking its marching orders from a holy homicidal maniac, while the filthy dirt-worshiping natives lived in relative peace and harmony and always tried to give back at least as much as they took?
These are ugly ego striping questions that could quickly destabilize an imperial empire and its enabling religion if they were ever allowed to fester, thus the reason for the liberal use of the ruler or rifle along with the threat of hell on Earth and eternal damnation.
See, it works like this. If we are to believe that we are not worthy, then we will allow ourselves to be judged not worthy, followed quickly by the willing surrender of our inner power to an external ‘authority’ who has been deemed supremely worthy by imperial or religious edict. But if we are to believe we are connected to everything and thus we as worthy as the mighty Oak or the industrious dung beetle, and certainly more worthy than any false external ‘authority’, there is no reason to surrender and thus we are uncontrollable. This is blasphemy pure and simple!
The Mighty Oak
By the time I reached walking away age and began my own search for meaning and connection, all that was left in my neck of the woods was cookie cutter religious doctrine and a brain washed state of artificially numbed elation. And this was well before the full impact of the drug called televised instant gratification had subdued and suborned a great nation.
Or at least that was what I had been told we were; a nation proud of its genocidal westward expansion that had now gone global. Convert those Godless heathens to the temple of self absorbed consumer consumption ecstasy or wipe them from the face of God’s little green Earth, ironically the very same little green Earth so loved by those Godless heathens.
For the dozens of now vanquished indigenous cultures, whose love and respect for all things nurturing and sustaining was a way of life, even this love of life wasn’t what terrified the war mongering nation(s). No, what really threatened the insanity was the revered and cherished internal communication the natives had with their spiritual forefathers, as well as those who would follow in their footsteps.
What could, would and still will topple the insanity was their Long Conversation, their spiritual connection that solidly anchored them to their own sanity. This was what condemned the millions of natives to their own eradication. If you can’t corrupt them by driving their sanity out, then just kill them all and be done with it.
If we are sane, we simply cannot destroy what we deeply love and respect. Nor can we destroy or even demean what we wish to pass to our children, concepts that would most definitely destroy the insanity if they were ever widely embraced. The holy madness needed divine justification in order to take by force all that it surveyed, and so anyone or anything that refuted insanity’s marching orders was labeled a blasphemy and a heretic, then promptly cut down past its roots, shock and awe scorched Earth style.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, can be allowed to get in the way of the endless territorial expansion and locust like consumption of the mindlessly mad machine. Nothing will be allowed to resist the modern global Ponzi, especially a social and spiritual consciousness that speaks from the past and future to warn the present of the dangers of hubris, ego and homicidal insanity. This was and still is why The Long Conversation must be silenced. God forbid we actually listen to the only sane voices left, those found within our very own spiritual head.
Social conditioning tells us to ignore our inner knowing and accept the false external authority.
Of all the various forms of mind control witchcraft practiced by the unholy church/state alliance, by far the most destructive is the hijacking and subversion of our own spoken language. Simply put, just as we are what we eat, so do we think as we speak. So rather than removing ideologically unhealthy words from the spoken language and leaving a gap that would be noticed, all that needs to be done is to subvert or convert the true meaning. And before we know it we have spiritually lost people extolling the virtues of the National Security Endless War and Ponzi State.
Trapped in an ideological hell by our very own language the few remaining free thinking deeply connected souls are forced to use the very vocabulary that enslaves us to wake us from our deep slumber. In effect we must use the very words that control us to free us, a nearly impossible task given the high hurdles we must overcome. Short of creating a new language, then widely distributing it via a hostile press and MSM, the only effective solution is for the population to reconnect to The Long Conversation.
Our powerful and supreme inner knowing has been carefully hidden from us for centuries, millennium even, primarily by diluted and dulled milquetoast words such as gut feeling, instinct, sixth sense or even faith and belief. Let us call it what it is, an inner knowing that squarely places the responsibility back upon our shoulders to right our own floundering ship. But even this is too great for our inflated and flattered egos to bear, so we eagerly grasp for the deflecting lie that it is all someone else’s mess to repair.
Of all the horrors perpetrated upon us by the machine and its sycophant henchmen, maybe the most frightening one of them all is the very instrument of our salvation, of our freedom, the one tool we can always access and is totally out of bounds to the insanity. I am of course speaking about freedom of choice, our unquestioned and unalienable right to become sane again, to break free from the madness machine and reclaim our own spiritual, emotional and ultimately physical sovereignty.
The seductive embrace of our collective insanity promises us all a softer easier way, an alternative path where we are told we can have our cake and eat it too. This is a bald faced lie, even if the machine consistently produces more cake as if by magic. It is a lie because that cake is not free, but instead derived from the sweat and tears of a less fortunate fellow slave caught up in the crushing gears of the grinding machine. Our Long Conversation with our inner knowing tells us this is a lie, that the lies of the insanity are self evident and thus brightly colored to enable us to abandon ourselves to the pleasure of the distraction. Let someone else pick up the tab. But soon enough it will be you and me who pays the freight.
If you understand what I am talking about with regard to The Long Conversation, about the whispering voices anchoring us to our own sanity, then we might even say that these spirits will do more than just whisper. If nothing else it is a comforting thought, that a power greater than us, that our power has our back. It is precisely this thought that helps keep us sane. When we are connected to others, when we acknowledge that our actions affect more than just us, then and only then are we more likely to act sanely as we all share responsibility for the group as well as the individual.
09-29-2011
Cognitive Dissonance
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The door of Hell is always locked on the inside, and the key is in the lock.
It's not that hard. Just very, very frightening. Come on out into the light of day. The universe is at its heart a nurturing place, despite the meteorites and, of course, the spiders. Hey, something had to be done to keep the flies from taking over.
I'm just a simple engineer, but I believe waiting for the shot is worse than the shot itself. The same goes for any expected pain that one know's they are facing. Once it is over, the recovery can begin so having it come quickly would be better imo. Of course, one could argue your namesake- that people are not facing it. The only thing I know for certain is- those who truly never saw this coming won't have a clue how to handle it when it get here.
"It's" here. "It's" been here all along. The Hell you're waiting for, you're living in it.
Yes. They teach you how to place your own spirit in prison and throw away the key. What a waste of a life. No wonder so many youth need drugs.
Yet another "Noble Savage" mindset. Sorry CD, folks are folks no matter how much money, conquest, stature they have. Some folks are more moral / kind than others. Some folks are just pure evil. Common sense defines the two. It's the same in any culture in any time frame across human history.
Eloquent prose as usual CD. Tonight's Ig Nobel awards are a tribute to "the willing surrender of our inner power to an external ‘authority’ who has been deemed supremely worthy by imperial or religious edict"
Indeed, in the religion of economics, greed is not one of the deadly sins. This little gem from Krugman's appearance at the 2009 awards summarizes it nicely:
"In 2009, Paul Krugman, a Nobel laureate in economics, delivered the following 24-second lecture: "Given decentralized constrained optimization by maximizing agents with well-defined convex objective functions and/or convex production functions, engaging in exchange and production with free disposal, leads, in the absence of externalities, market power, and other distortions, there exists an equilibrium characterized by Pareto optimality."
The seven-word plain language description: "Greedy people, competing, make the world go round."
In his New York Times blog the next day, he acknowledged that it wasn't until after his presentation that he realized the seven-word description was actually eight words. "Let's chalk it up to rounding error," Krugman wrote. "Revised version, I guess, drops the word 'competing.'"
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/092811-ignobel-preview-251381.html...
Greed, bitchez!
Why was the culture of insanity taking its marching orders from a holy homicidal maniac, while the filthy dirt-worshiping natives lived in relative peace and harmony and always tried to give back at least as much as they took?
Nonsense. Take the Comanche for example. At its peak, their military and trade empire spanned 240,000 square miles, encompassing large parts of five present-day states. That empire wasnt attained through application of "relative peace and harmony", but through brutal conquest, primarily of other Indian tribes. Their entire culture revolved around military conquest and little else, producing some of the most formidable light cavalry of their age.
The Comanche were as vicious towards rival Indian tribes as they were towards whites and Mexicans. Are you familiar with the term "Comanche Moon"? A typical raid, regardless of who it was against, involved the killing and/or torturing to death of all men in the most heinous ways imaginable. Babies were killed. Women were gang-raped, and most killed and/or tortured, unless they were young. Preadolescents were often adopted, as was the case with the famous "white squaw" Cynthia Ann Parker who went on to give birth to the even more famous Quanah Parker.
And the Pawnee completely wiped out the Arikara. Then, too, Powhatan fired up the Algonquins and utterly erased the Chesapeake tribe, along with savage butchery of various other tribes. In fact, Native American history is pretty much a long litany of genocides and mass slaughters and gang rapes and torture, but other than that, they got along peacefully and happily.
Until those damned Pilgrims showed up.
I didn't really learn anything from this article either, except that it sucks to be brought up Catholic. A lot of my Catholic friends told me that, but I didn't believe them because, you know, they were Catholic and all.
So is that all you got out of this article?
That we are a "fallen" race is a basic tenet of Judeo-Christian theology and applies to Commanches and Catholics, Priests and Presidents. My near 62 years on this planet have tended to affirm this notion. From my past I see Sister Celestine's rulers and Father B's pedophelia being just further evidence of the premise. And I know the notion has largely fallen out of favor with the intelligentsia, but I don't think we as a race are capable of working out our own redemption. Deus Est.
Peace, CD
No, I didn't dislike the article. I just don't have much use for mythical historical narratives. Wouldn't the unvarnished truth be better, warts and all?
So is that all you got out of this article?
Fear is a great motivator. And when fear wanes, slop on a bunch of guilt. That is the essence of most middle eastern religions including Catholicism.
Thank you for an always interesting read.
The "essence" of most religions is the spiritual connection, and every one of them has description of how to strengthen it, and symbols for the "inner light" and the "celestial music." It's the meditative core, overlain by all the stuff they disagree about, in competition for market share.
Cog, you nailed it for me in a most timely fashion: I've been musing over this comment, trying to understand what I didn't "get" about it
"Loyalty to the institution of civil society requires our awareness as best as can be mustered and engagement to effectuate the process."
It is, that my awareness and engagement come not so much from loyalty to an institution of any sort, as from the kind of love and loyalty that a spiritual connection creates.
AH, the catholic church is all I saw before my mind could not comprehend the rest. In the late 60's my parents had 5 of us in catholic school learning honesty and all the rest. My dad takes my brother hunting for 2 days, sends a note for the absence stating as much, they kicked my brother out because it was not a proper excuse. By January 1 we were all in public school and the catholic church lost all the tuition. When they started sending out donation envelopes with names on for the Sunday plate and then at the end of the month would publish the amounts given, by who, my folks stopped giving, and a few years later just stopped going. Now, what was the article about?
I, and every other Third Grader at St. Sebastian* School watched a nun break a 6 in. diameter hole, and shatter a thick black slate blackboard, by gripping the back of a boy's hair and smahing his head into it a couple of times. Put the "Fear of the Lord" into that class for the rest of their lives.
What a place! Dead body hanging on a cross in every room. Life size plaster sculpture of dead dude full of arrows at the front door. Shit!... Halloween ain't got nothing on the daily shit put out by catholics.
*The dude with all the arrows in him
Read it and find out.
seeing yourself as a fliberdeegibit is hard work
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being something greater than human is still human... but most people dont see it that way
Still many equate religion with spirituality.
Define your own high power and understanding of the universe.
Listening to, and adhering to our indoctrinations, er uhh i mean education,
merely perpetuates the lies that bind us.
CD, I always enjoy your work. My kids never went to school, were not indoctrinated by the church or the state, largely avoided all mass media influence for the first 12 years of their lives, were consistently told the truth and encouraged to question authority...any and all authority. My daughter is determinedly independent in mind and soul. She is a deep thinker who refuses to accept that anyone has any authority over her. I cannot tell you how often she is met with fierce resistance. She is a beautiful young girl, pleasant, polite, vibrant, and not in any way offensive or intimidating, very low key, but she seems to bring out in people this desire to crush her. It is like they can sense her freedom and they are threatened by it. It doesn’t matter if it is a security guard or a checker at the supermarket, someone always hassles her about something. I don’t think she has ever made it onto an airplane in the US without being singled out and searched by the TSA. It is an amazing thing to witness, but also frightening.
I appreciate how that happens. I have frequent conversations with some friends about being very visible to the system, to the Matrix, and receiving a great deal of pushback.
The key to avoid this is to understand that the system only 'sees' a narrow spiritual frequency and cannot change its ability to see beyond it. This is why we are increasingly being controlled, to stoke our inner fear and lower the frequency of our radiated energy.
Even though your daughter doesn't sound like the type of person who is frightened by the system, she is reflecting the system back to the system, thus becoming visible on their radar. She already has the independent sovereign mindset. Now she must learn to be a screen door that allows the breeze to pass through with very little interference. Both the wind and the light barely see the screen door.
It takes a different mindset to do this, one that requires practice and a different perspective. We must always remember that what strengthens the machine is our overt and low frequency pushback. We must change frequencies in order to cloak oursleves. It really does work. Many years ago I tripped all the alarms. Then I began to change and now I am as light as a butterfly and rare seen at all.
that was excellent advice cog. where it really gets fun is, when you get to the point that you describe, how to re-engage with the world without blocking that original flow of resonance.
p.s. love the tag of the article.
"The only winning move is not to play -- War Games 1993.
In other words, the key to change is to "opt out" as Charles Hugh Smith suggests, or to turn your back on the system. Fighting is futile... Ignoring leads to collapse.
Good advice CD.
I love that screen door, something close this was told to me along time ago by my father and it has worked very well through out my life just never thought it that way. Thanks
Interesting to see comments that focus on the words of the example (trees) rather than the idea they are meant to convey(forest).
Words are very powerful. They are symbols. Not the reality.
New MEME, CD? Inner Knowing. Wake up call. I like it. Let's supersize it.
It seems to have more kick and natural understanding than the "look within" meme I have used in the past. Whatever delivers the message in an understandable manner is what I want to use. I'm just the story teller. I claim no ownership other than the right to pass it on.
Can someone translate this for me, preferably into a one-sentence summation?
If an entire belief system could be summarised in one sentence, then if I am on the same wavelength as CG, it would be:
"There is only one of us"
The reason films like Inception and The Matrix are popular is because there is a message in there - that of a "shared dream" or "shared illusion".
Beware of "native" American nuns ;-)
Now that little gem right there is why nmewn should always be on the "must invite" list for any kegger or soon to be politically incorrect fundraiser you care to crash. ;)
lol...I know you're not really saying nuns turn everyone into psycho's because you turned out just fine.
You gotta admit, she toughened up your knuckles for Fight Club ;-)
I grok....Heinlein
Sorry, CD. The Noble Savage is a myth.
I HIGHLY suggest you read some Allan W. Eckert.
YES, what the white men did to the natives was despicable.
HOWEVER, once you read FACTUAL, DOCUMENTED accounts of people having their hearts cut out and eaten while still beating, and of people being hog-tied and dropped onto sharpened stakes, and of people having small incisions cut just above their pubes, a bit of entrails fished out, tied to a sapling, and the person who possessed said entrails being forced to march around said sapling until they expired, and more, you might rethink your cognitive dissonance regarding the noble savage. You have substituted one form for another.
Of course I am in no way denying how Heinous the Roman church is. It is an institute of Satan. One perusal of Foxe's Book of Martyrs will suffice to drive that point home.
And I suggest, JB, that you learn not to confuse fiction with reality.
"Eckert has sparked controversy with his "hidden dialogue" technique in his historical narratives, using a novelist's technique to enhance dramatic events. After many years of research on a topic, he has felt free to recreate historical conversations and thoughts in what some critics have considered to be "an entertaining blend of fact and fiction" purporting to be a straight biography."
In short, he was a typical historian-cum bullshit artist.
I'd ask for a link regarding that ad hominem attack on Eckert, but I won't waste my time.
Rather, I will ask you, sir, if you have ever actually READ one of his books, including the volumous notes and bibliography he provides?
Yes, he adds dialogue. But the narrative he weaves is historical and well documented.
Or would you rather learn from your bullshit high school history book WHY, exactly, France lost the 'French and Indian' War? France kicked the shit out of England and the colonies for a decade. How did they lose? Eckert answers that question. My history books never did... and I went to PRIVATE school.
how Heinous the Roman church is
Read Paul Johnson's "a History of Christianity" to see how The Roman Catholic Church murdered all competition from the early sects of Jesus' followers.
Strange, since there were no "early sects" in the 11th century, when the "Roman Catholic" church schism occurred; there was no "Roman Catholic Church" during the period of "early sects".
More bullshit.
As usual.
When the Roman Emperor Constantine legitimized "Christianity" via the Edict of Milan, it began the process of controlling, for political purposes, all peoples throughout the Roman Empire.
Because early Christians were divided into so many sects, it became a political imperative to have everyone singing from the same hymn book. Hence, the murder of many Christians that did not follow Roman tenets.
This is where, and how, the Roman Catholic Church evolved, some 700 years before the 11th Century.
If you are smelling bullshit, look around, it must be close to you.
I suggest you read up on the Council of Nicea about 729 years before your 'schism' and keep your calls of BS to yourself until you can stop promulgating same.
A full belly and cable television does not make for a great awakening. Take either away and you'll have anarchy.
With the exception of the author's reverance for the natives, it was a splendid read, never-the-less.
Even though I might not agree with some of his implicit assumptions and comments, CD is always thought-provoking. "Existence is not an imperfect shadow of some greater, unknowable reality. And you are not a brain in a vat controlled by some mad scientist who can manipulate your reality and cause a rock at the same time to be a chicken. We live in a world of objective facts. The physical world has an established nature. And so do human beings." (http://www.thematrixnot.blogspot.com/) The mind control vampires, including those who attempt to manipulate public opinion and markets, want us to reject reality and our nature as individuals (not a collective) so that we will blindly accept their authority. The truth is, even if everyone became a sheeple, the vampires would ultimately run out of blood and themselves fall prey to The Gods of the Copybook Headings (http://www.kipling.org.uk/poems_copybook.htm)
That's all I ask, that we question everything starting with what you just read here.
Thank you for the highest compliment I could ever receive.
You are Great CD,keep it up.I,m baptist by birth but,grew up in very catholic circumstance,LOggers,comm fisherman,entrepreneur types.Minus the perverts,I wonder where all that has left us
Yeah that whole spiel about the natives loving the land, you know that's a giant fraud right? I've worked with a tribe a fair amount and had friends who worked with them as well. Most Westerners would be shocked how they treat the land and their animals. Saw dogs with mange running around, knew the owners, knew they had access to a free vet clinic, couldn't be bothered. Oh and the domestic abuse and sexual abuse is off the charts, truly a bastion of sanity and love...and if you wish to claim that it used to be otherwise seems that there was a tribe known as the Aztecs. The Noble Savage idea is no more real then the Easter Bunny or a stable fiat money.
As to collective insanity, how else does one skim work off people. Same old tricks, the Sky God is watching you with his all seeing eye, just like in Egypt. Because people don't change. We haven't changed for thousands of years so the tricks that have always worked will always work, if anything we are worse off because the tricks are studied and perfected. Now individuals might snap out of it, but they instantly become the enemy of those mentally in the system. Live in the world not of it, for I cannot see a world where the majority comes into any understanding of what is, when it's so much easier for them to just mentally sleep walk through life.
native americans absorbed Christianity quickly, they even created a native ritual to approximate the rapture, called the Ghost Dance. there's a second book which answers Black Elk Speaks, the book which presented Black Elk as some sort of Uber-Shaman, which proved most of (authors name?) work was embellished. i believe Black Elk went to Europe with a Wild West Show, and was later baptized?
shamanism is of course anti-religious in the western sense of the term. westerners like all sorts of magic, and high graphics movies with fantastic settings because it provides some counterbalance to their uniform and ordinary lives.
and in economic terms remember that hollywood was telling fantastic stories during the great depression, rich boys and girls in top hats and tails. there were plenty of fantasy riches, which took peoples minds off how bad things really were.
now we watch high graphic movies about end of the world disasters, which solves the same problem instead of seriously working toward solutions.
to that end i work toward something i call direct art, but not sure how far i will get before the curtain rings down. other people will get it i think, the next step is cloud computing inside peoples minds.
Yep. Most people who spend time living in a Native community quickly learn that the myth of the spiritual Native who is one with the land is their own myth making. We need to own up to being the cause of much of their cultural breakdown. It was our governments idea, with the cooperation of the church, that thought up the fucked up plan to seperate the children from their parents and force them into residential schools where they learned to hate their culture and get sexually, emotionally and physically abused. Now those tortured disconnected children are all grown up and passing on all their not so traditional upbringing onto their children. It's a mess. Very sad to witness first hand. No small wonder the teen suicide rate is high. This is modern history though. CD is harkening back to the distant past when they were supposedly pure from European influence. My problem with the much valued oral history, which is all we have to go by, is that it can easily sanitize their own internal wars and misdeeds. Only the victorious live to spin their own tales which can easily transmute from generation to generation of fireside chit chats. The Natives just love to feed guilt ridden Europeans tales of how they were so much better than us. I suspect they were not much different from us.
Noble savage is somewhat of a racist idea. Certainly plenty of tribes were violent, and had no respect for their land base. BUT the majority did live in peace, knew nothing of rape and lived with and not against their land base. Of course they weren't perfect. Of course they also didn't invade and enslave another continent. I find it a little unfair to compare modern tribes and the people infected with our culture to people you have never met.
Wetiko is real.
BUT the majority did live in peace
Contradicting widely held, but false liberal views (white man's burden) , is always an invite to playing the race card.
The Iroquois and Mohawk liked to sit down by the river bank, smoking their peace pipe while contemplating how working together would benefit them both. Only the arrival of the white man got them fighting. No?
And the Aztecs weren't alone. The Inca loved invading their neighbors too.
The Mohawks were a member nation in the Iroquois League, which was formed because the individual tribes that coalesced to form the Iroquois League were tired of getting their asses kicked up and down the east coast by the Algonquin Tribes (Shawnee, Delaware, Wyandot, Kickapoo, etc.)
Due to this animosity, the Iroquois, who aligned themselves witb the English first, and then the Americans, REPEATEDLY ceded Algonquin territories in 'peace treaties' with the whites. I put the peace treaties in quotes because the Iroquois were making deals they had no right to make. It would be like -- shit, I can't even think of a modern parallel where one nation ceded another nation's land in a 'peace treaty.'.
The Iroquois were FAR more interested in destroying the Algonquins than they were in forming some kind of everlasting peace with the whites...
Yes, the Inca did. Human nature. The same everywhere I have been and read about.